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Milan mosque 'to be closed down'
BBC News ^ | July 7, 2008

Posted on 07/07/2008 5:02:16 PM PDT by NCjim

A controversial mosque in the Italian city of Milan is to be shut down, the country's right-wing government says.

The Jenner mosque attracts about 4,000 Muslims each week, with Friday prayers often spilling out on to the street.

Now, after years of complaints from local residents, Italian Interior Minister Roberto Maroni has said he will close the mosque by August.

A leading Roman Catholic has accused Mr Maroni of behaving like a fascist. He has rejected that charge.

Rendition

The Jenner mosque is based in a converted garage.

Since it opened as an Islamic cultural centre in 1988, it has outgrown its cramped surroundings - much to the alarm of people living in the neighbourhood, says the BBC's Christian Fraser in Rome.

It has come under the spotlight several times for alleged links to extremism.

The Muslim cleric, Abu Omar, who was known for his fiery preaching, says he was kidnapped on his way to the mosque in 2003.

He claims he was then transferred to Egypt, where he was tortured.

Twenty-six suspected CIA agents and several Italian intelligence officials are currently on trial in Milan over his alleged rendition.

Most of them are being tried in absentia.

'Nomads'

Mr Maroni, who belongs to the anti-immigrant Northern League, has said he will press ahead with plans to close the mosque, and that anybody found praying in the street will be issued with a ticket.

The local Muslim community is being offered the use of a nearby stadium, in which the Beatles once played.

However, the council has said it can only be used four times each week and that each person will be charged on entry.

The president of the mosque, Abdel Hamid Shaari, has said he is happy to pay rent but that its members "won't be treated like nomads".

"We are Milanese and we are not going to accept the solution that's being offered," he said.

Catholic support

The Catholic church has come out in support of the Muslim community.

The Roman Catholic priest in charge of inter-faith relations in Milan, Monsignor Gianfranco Bottoni, said that only a fascist or populist government would resort to such dictatorial methods as closing a mosque.

In an interview with the Italian newspaper Corriere della Sera, Mr Maroni said he was addressing residents' complaints that worship regularly spilled out on to the street.

He said he had faced similar criticism from the UN children's fund (Unicef), when the Italian government announced that it was fingerprinting all Roma people of gypsies.

However, he had convinced Unicef that the move would help get Roma children into mainstream schools, he said.


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: catholics; italy; mosque

1 posted on 07/07/2008 5:02:16 PM PDT by NCjim
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To: NCjim

Turn it back into a garage, more productive for society and reopen the mosque in another part of the country. Some high mountain on the Swiss border perhaps.


2 posted on 07/07/2008 5:05:36 PM PDT by Patrick1
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To: Patrick1

...or an abandoned pig farm....


3 posted on 07/07/2008 5:10:22 PM PDT by xcamel (Being on the wrong track means the unintended consequences express train doesnt kill you going by)
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To: NCjim

It’s rather difficult to say this is reasoned or not with the information provided. Is the Northern League a truly racist organization, or have they noticed problems and reacted?

Is this Mosque a major problem, or has the problem been exagerated.

From here this guy looks worthy of keeping an eye on. He may be implementing sound policy and then again he may be a real problem.

We’ll see how this all plays out over time.


4 posted on 07/07/2008 5:11:22 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Annapolis, flight school, Congress, Senate, MIAs, Keating 5, Soros, Kerry... tried & found wanting!)
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To: NCjim

Anti-dhimmitude from the Italians! I want Burlosconi for our President.


5 posted on 07/07/2008 5:14:01 PM PDT by Boagenes (I'm your huckleberry, that's just my game.)
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To: DoughtyOne
The Lega Nord is very much like many early 20th Century US anti-immigrant parties. They don't want Southern Italians coming into their lands, let alone Muslims or other peoples. Ideally, the would secede from Italy and found their own nation. So, racist is a little strong, but nativist is probably spot on.
6 posted on 07/07/2008 5:20:31 PM PDT by thefrankbaum (Ad maiorem Dei gloriam)
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To: NCjim
A controversial mosque in the Italian city of Milan is to be shut down, the country's right-wing government says.

OH!...a (incredible slanted) report, from (the formerly) pro-freedom / western English Press.
Thanks, for the post.

7 posted on 07/07/2008 5:23:52 PM PDT by skinkinthegrass (If you aren't "advancing" your arguments,your losing "the battle of Ideas"...libs,hates the facts 8^)
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To: NCjim
Oriana would be pleased.

ML/NJ

8 posted on 07/07/2008 5:31:01 PM PDT by ml/nj
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To: skinkinthegrass

I don’t think Ive seen a “left wing” government called as such.


9 posted on 07/07/2008 5:32:23 PM PDT by icwhatudo
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To: NCjim

Will Vegas give decent odds on this actually happening? I’ll put down $20 against.


10 posted on 07/07/2008 5:33:05 PM PDT by Teacher317 (Thank you Dith Pran for showing us what Communism brings)
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To: icwhatudo
I don’t think Ive seen a “left wing” government called as such.....short/concise.
11 posted on 07/07/2008 5:37:46 PM PDT by skinkinthegrass (If you aren't "advancing" your arguments,your losing "the battle of Ideas"...libs,hates the facts 8^)
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To: NCjim
Here's an idea: Why don't those 4,000 muslims just return to their country of origin where it's acceptable to pray 5 times a day to the moon god and let the Italians have their Catholic city back. Then no one's feelings get hurt. I realize they probably prefer the freedom of the west to the oppressiveness of their own middle eastern countries. I'd say it's time for them to make a choice.

I really do get tired of hearing how everyone has to capitulate to these backward people who would never dream of capitulating to anyone else. Time to move on, your welcome is worn out in the west.

12 posted on 07/07/2008 6:01:03 PM PDT by FrdmLvr
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To: NCjim
... being tried in absentia.

Aw, man! I hope the Italians don't find out what I did!

13 posted on 07/07/2008 6:03:27 PM PDT by RobinOfKingston (Man, that's stupid ... even by congressional standards.)
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To: ml/nj

My thoughts exactly! A fitting tribute to Oriana Fallaci, who saw what these hordes were doing to her country and fought them to her death! Would that we be so wise and steadfast!


14 posted on 07/07/2008 6:05:33 PM PDT by lancer
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To: NCjim
The Catholic church has come out in support of the Muslim community. The Roman Catholic priest in charge of inter-faith relations in Milan, Monsignor Gianfranco Bottoni, said that only a fascist or populist government would resort to such dictatorial methods as closing a mosque.

Suicidal idiots. I hope the gov't closes the place,burns it down and then puts a pig farm on the grounds.

15 posted on 07/07/2008 6:07:33 PM PDT by pgkdan (Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions - G.K. Chesterton)
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To: NCjim

“A controversial mosque in the Italian city of Milan is to be shut down, the country’s right-wing government says.”

They don’t like right wing governments? They’re going to love sharia-law Islam.


16 posted on 07/07/2008 6:13:52 PM PDT by Brian S. Fitzgerald
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To: Patrick1
Turn it back into a garage...

No, there's no way that place could ever be deemed clean enough to subject a motor vehicle to again.

Tear it down, burn the materials and salt the earth where it stood, in 300-400 years, maybe the taint will have diminished enough to turn it into a landfill.
17 posted on 07/07/2008 6:18:13 PM PDT by Dr.Zoidberg ("Shut the hell up, New York Times, you sanctimonious whining jerks!" - Craig Ferguson)
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To: pgkdan
You let the secular authorities start closing down one religion, where does it start?

First they came for the Jews...

18 posted on 07/07/2008 6:19:12 PM PDT by thefrankbaum (Ad maiorem Dei gloriam)
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To: pgkdan

And by start, I mean end.


19 posted on 07/07/2008 6:19:47 PM PDT by thefrankbaum (Ad maiorem Dei gloriam)
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To: NCjim

They should get rid of the mosque with the muzzies inside of it.


20 posted on 07/07/2008 7:32:35 PM PDT by Dick Vomer (liberals suck....... but it depends on what your definition of the word "suck" is.,)
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To: NCjim

"Milan, darling, Milan."

21 posted on 07/07/2008 8:01:03 PM PDT by Disambiguator
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To: thefrankbaum

Sorry but I don’t consider islam a religion. It’s a dangerous mental disease. (apologies to George Carlin)


22 posted on 07/07/2008 8:01:23 PM PDT by pgkdan (Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions - G.K. Chesterton)
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To: Patrick1

Leave it open for another week and then round up and deport everyone who comes there.


23 posted on 07/07/2008 8:05:28 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: pgkdan

Well, I suppose I disagree with you there. If you don’t mind me asking, which others of the major ‘religions’ do you not consider religions?


24 posted on 07/07/2008 8:13:09 PM PDT by thefrankbaum (Ad maiorem Dei gloriam)
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To: thefrankbaum

Thanks. Am I the only one that thinks it’s okay for folks to be nativist if they want to be. I really don’t mind folks from just about anywhere, but when it comes to my home town turning into a foreign onclave, you can bet your posterior I don’t appreciate it.


25 posted on 07/07/2008 10:07:56 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Annapolis, flight school, Congress, Senate, MIAs, Keating 5, Soros, Kerry... tried & found wanting!)
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To: NCjim

A nice, small victory. May there be many more in the future in the jihad against evil.


26 posted on 07/07/2008 10:25:45 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps !"~~)
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To: thefrankbaum
If you don’t mind me asking, which others of the major ‘religions’ do you not consider religions?

How many other religions send their young men out, armed with fatwahs issued by their 'religious' leaders to slaughter innocent civilians in the name of their false god?

27 posted on 07/08/2008 5:12:20 AM PDT by pgkdan (Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions - G.K. Chesterton)
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To: pgkdan

Catholics and Protestants used to kill each other throughout the Reformation, and until the 20th century in Ireland. I just get cautious when secular countries start supressing one religion, because then, what logical grounds prevent it from supressing others? It is a problem I don’t see with countries specifically, legally, aligned with a religion.


28 posted on 07/08/2008 6:38:38 AM PDT by thefrankbaum (Ad maiorem Dei gloriam)
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To: DoughtyOne
I'm of two minds, and a lot of it depends on the people coming in, as well as the culture of area. For example, if it was the US and the immigrants were hoping to join the larger American culture, then I think nativism can be pretty foolhardy, racist, and hypocritical since almost everyone in this country have ancestors who were immigrants. However, with homogeneous cultures like Japan, immigrants cannot ever really assimilate to the culture, so it is somewhat more understandable. Now, regardless of locale, if the immigrants come in and shelter themselves away from society at large, or, worse, try to get society to confirm to their standards, then you aren't a nativist for opposing them, but rather just a normal human being. All of this is JMHO, of course.
29 posted on 07/08/2008 6:44:17 AM PDT by thefrankbaum (Ad maiorem Dei gloriam)
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To: NCjim

Let’s put an islamanazi pig petting zoo in it’s place..............
for the children.


30 posted on 07/08/2008 6:46:37 AM PDT by rrrod
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To: thefrankbaum

I don’t think you take a city of 250,000 and swap out it’s populace in 25 years, so that you go from 80% white Northern European to 10% white Northern European and 70% something else.

I believe in assimilation. And even if that takes place, you get all sorts of problems with those folks wanting you to recognize the holidays of their old country. You get them wanting you to adjust your city, to become their old homeland.

They want the best you have to offer, and want you to accept the worst they have to offer.

I’m not going ot spend all day writing about some of the problems with this, but until you have had your town completely turned upside down, you won’t understand. And if there is a serious underlying crime element, good luck.

One day things are going fine, and the next day who knows who you cross.

This isn’t something that should be swept under the carpet. It’s a real problem, and I have read where others have had to deal with what I am talking about.

Why? Was this the goal, to completely toss communities upside down?


31 posted on 07/08/2008 11:35:40 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Annapolis, flight school, Congress, Senate, MIAs, Keating 5, Soros, Kerry... tried & found wanting!)
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To: DoughtyOne
It sounds like you are descibing the case where I said nativism isn't bad. When people act like locusts, swarming over something and destroying it, then I have no problem trying to stem the tide. It is the irrational anti-any-immigrant nativism that I have a problem with. I was never really arguing with you, and I'm not sure if I read just general frustration in your post, or animosity towards me.
32 posted on 07/08/2008 11:52:47 AM PDT by thefrankbaum (Ad maiorem Dei gloriam)
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To: thefrankbaum

No, I wouldn’t call it frustration or anger with you.

I would call it frustration with our government’s immigration policies, and frankly it reach the level of anger for me.

I have seen what this does to communities. I have seen my own go from a solid Conservative community to a solid lefist community.

Our government brings in hundreds of thousands or millions of people from one area of the world, and turns them loose to swarm any community they want. Do they make any effort to disburse the? Do they make any effort to east the problems of flooding a community? No.

Even the best of people from a foreign nation, make a dramatic impact on our communites when they swarm them.

Personally, I’m all for a twenty to thirty year moratorium on immigration across the board, but what we are going to get next year is a plan to see about 100 million people normalized, and allowed to come here under chain immigration.

That will be one-third of our current populace added in just one decade or a little over.

1. Poorly educated
2. Some elderly (read that instant social security)
3. Healthcare impacted
4. Education impacted
5. Government services impacted

This is on my mind as well. Imagine how we assimilate all these people.

1. 20 to 35 million illegals naturalized
2. 1 to 10 people chain migration for each
3. Expanded work visas
4. Those here on work visas for five years, can file for resident status... then apply for citizenship
5. Those folks bring in family members too.

We’re talking about a massive number of people. And we’re talking about never getting our nation back, if we allow this.


33 posted on 07/08/2008 12:03:09 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Annapolis, flight school, Congress, Senate, MIAs, Keating 5, Soros, Kerry... tried & found wanting!)
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