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Greece Helped Israel Study Iranian Air Defense System
The Jerusalem Post ^ | July 14, 2008 | JPost.com Staff

Posted on 07/14/2008 12:52:41 PM PDT by edpc

Greece assisted the Israeli Air Force last month in more than just allowing the use of its airspace, The Cutting Edge news Website reported Monday.

Slideshow: Pictures of the week The Mediterranean country owns the same Russian radar, S-300, that Iran is soon to receive - or has already began receiving - from Moscow. Israel sees the S-300, which can simultaneously track hundreds of semi-stealth cruise missiles, long range missiles and aircraft, including airborne monitoring jets, as a significant threat to its entire airforce in the event of an attack on the Islamic Republic.

A massive air drill reportedly carried out by Israel in the first days of June over Greek airspace was publicized by The New York Times and generated powerful ripples, including warnings from Iran. But veteran investigative reporter Edwin Black writes in the Edge that a crucial aspect of the drill went unreported - Israel's trial run at defeating, jamming and circumventing the Russian system.

The Jerusalem Post could not confirm the report.

After Iran complained to Greece about the Israeli air maneuvers, officials in Athens said their Russian-made radar-missile batteries were "turned off" during the exercise. The Iranians, according to Black, were not convinced that Greece would really compromise its air defenses during such a crucial exercise.

(Excerpt) Read more at jpost.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Israel; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: geopolitics; iran; israel; s300
The plot thickens, if true. Israel found a way to circumvent the Syrian air defense system last year and wasted no time exploiting the advantage.
1 posted on 07/14/2008 12:52:42 PM PDT by edpc
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To: edpc
Soviet crows are not as good as our old crows.

/johnny

2 posted on 07/14/2008 12:55:08 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Bless us all, each, and every one.)
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To: edpc

“S-300, which can simultaneously track hundreds of semi-stealth cruise missiles, long range missiles and aircraft”

And make the radar operator crap his pants.


3 posted on 07/14/2008 12:56:12 PM PDT by wolfcreek (I see miles and miles of Texas....let's keep it that way.)
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To: edpc

The first sign a conventional attack us underway is when the jamming starts. Israel should start jamming four or five times a week to fatigue the defensive crews.

Of course, it would be better if the first sign of an attack was when things started exploding...


4 posted on 07/14/2008 1:07:52 PM PDT by JimRed ("Hey, hey, Teddy K., how many girls did you drown today?" TERM LIMITS, NOW AND FOREVER!)
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To: edpc

S-300, which can simultaneously track hundreds of semi-stealth cruise missiles, long range missiles and aircraft .......................... Not a problem, if there is a way to beat it, the Joooz will figure it out. They’ll be in and out of there long before the Iranian radar operators can report the incursion. You can almost bet on it.


5 posted on 07/14/2008 1:10:40 PM PDT by Bringbackthedraft (If everyone stays home and no one votes will Congress disappear?)
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To: wolfcreek

I am STILL laughing as I type this!!! Good one!!


6 posted on 07/14/2008 1:20:25 PM PDT by musicman
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To: Bringbackthedraft

How many planes and missiles have been brought down by this celebrated weapons system?


7 posted on 07/14/2008 1:25:23 PM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: edpc

If the S-300 can “simultaneously track hundreds of semi-stealth cruise missiles, long range missiles and aircraft”, then I’m sure the approaching Jooos will make the necessary technical arrangements to make it thinks that is exactly what is happening. A ‘decoy-rich’ environment at the press of a button.


8 posted on 07/14/2008 1:25:27 PM PDT by theBuckwheat
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To: edpc

I’m betting this is for Iran’s benefit. The IDF knows Sun Tsu better than anyone.


9 posted on 07/14/2008 1:25:36 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: JRandomFreeper; ASA Vet; magslinger; darkwing104; 2ndDivisionVet; rocksblues; NY Attitude; ...
Old Crow Ping

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10 posted on 07/14/2008 1:27:47 PM PDT by LonePalm (Commander and Chef)
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To: AppyPappy

To date, the S-300 system has not been used in any conflict.


11 posted on 07/14/2008 1:27:54 PM PDT by Tommyjo
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To: edpc


Am Israel Chai!

Israeli Flag
12 posted on 07/14/2008 1:29:08 PM PDT by ncfool (Barack show us the birth certificate. Obama the Manchurian Candidate .)
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To: edpc
Article in full

Greece has quietly assisted the Israeli Air Force in a previously unreported fashion as the dreaded decision of a possible Israeli preemptive strike against Iran’s nuclear facilities draws closer, this reporter has learned.

A pivotal factor in Israel’s military strategy against Iran’s nuclear installations is the recent delivery to Iran of Russia’s potent S-300 Russian ground-to-air radar systems. Considered one of the world’s most versatile radar-missile systems, Russia’s S-300 batteries can simultaneous track hundreds of semi-stealth cruise missiles, long range missiles and aircraft, including airborne monitoring jets. As many as ten intruders can be simultaneously engaged by the S-300’s mobile interceptor missile batteries, military sources say. As such, the S-300 is a major threat to the long-range weapons in the Israeli arsenal. These include Israel’s long-range 1,500 km. nuclear-capable Jericho IIB missiles; unmanned missile-equipped long-range drones; Israel’s F-16s, F-15Es; long range heavy-payload F151s and F161s; and even its three new Gulfstream G550 business jets boasting a range of 6,750 nautical miles, newly outfitted with nuclear-tracking electronics and designed to loiter over or near Iranian skies for hours. The S-300 can compromise everything Israel has.

But Greece has the same Russian S-300 system.

Originally purchased by Cyprus in 1998, the Cypriot installation provoked a storm of protracted protests by Turkey because the system would make vulnerable all Turkish air movements. To resolve tensions and prevent a Turkish preemptive attack on the installations, the S-300 by international agreement was moved to Crete for safekeeping, and eventually joint-Cypriot-Greek control based on the 1993 mutual defense pact between Cyprus and Greece. On December 20, 2007, the move and installation of the S-300 was quietly completed

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13 posted on 07/14/2008 1:31:00 PM PDT by Perdogg
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To: JimRed
Of course, it would be better if the first sign of an attack was when things started exploding...

I am convinced that is what happened at the Syrian site, and that the Syrians and North Koreans had an uninvited visitor from Missouri.The second wave of uninvited guests arrived after the first had departed.

14 posted on 07/14/2008 1:32:07 PM PDT by xkaydet65
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To: Perdogg

Much appreciated.....thanks.


15 posted on 07/14/2008 1:34:39 PM PDT by edpc (Tagline Currently Under Construction)
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To: xkaydet65

Those boys from the Show Me can do the darnest things...


16 posted on 07/14/2008 1:39:25 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: Bringbackthedraft
They’ll be in and out of there long before the Iranian radar operators can report the incursion

Ok, but will they be able to repeat the incursion several days in a row?

17 posted on 07/14/2008 1:40:59 PM PDT by ASA Vet
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To: edpc
Jamming is nice but it's better to throw a couple of HARMs at it.

No more radar.

18 posted on 07/14/2008 1:41:35 PM PDT by ryan71 (Typical bitter white gun toter)
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To: Tommyjo

So who in Iran is going to man this super duper radar system?? I doubt the Russian army is going to be in Tehran sitting at the controls. Besides, kneeling down and bending over towards Mecca 5 times a day will cause you to miss one hell of a lot of blips!


19 posted on 07/14/2008 1:43:31 PM PDT by Oldpuppymax (AGENDA OF THE LEFT EXPOSED)
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To: xkaydet65

“had an uninvited visitor from Missouri”

I’ve always thought that, too.


20 posted on 07/14/2008 1:45:09 PM PDT by ryan71 (Typical bitter white gun toter)
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To: edpc
Iran posses no S-300.
my bet is that Israel will strike BEFORE Iran gets S-300

S-300 is very potent system.
It is its range of 200-300 kilometers and possibility of simultaneous attack on several targets what makes him very dangerous.

Also low-flying is not of any good, it can track and attack targets at 20 meters altitude.

21 posted on 07/14/2008 1:47:19 PM PDT by kronos77 (Kosovo is Serbian Jerusalem. No Serbia without Kosovo.)
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To: xkaydet65; JimRed; Eric in the Ozarks

“an uninvited visitor from Missouri.”

Nah. they’d have had to report to senate committees, and it’d have been leaked by now.


22 posted on 07/14/2008 1:47:47 PM PDT by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: musicman
Sir! Multiple vampires inbound! Constant bearing, decreasing range!

Sir?

Where'd he go?

23 posted on 07/14/2008 1:48:54 PM PDT by Knitebane (Happily Microsoft free since 1999.)
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To: sam_paine

You’re overlooking the “special prerogatives” of the officer exchange program.


24 posted on 07/14/2008 1:51:22 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

“officer exchange program.”

Joyrides in armed B2s?


25 posted on 07/14/2008 1:53:42 PM PDT by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: kronos77
Israel has marked the system implementation as one of their "red lines." That being said, no system is perfect. Finding its weakness in no doubt a high priority for the Israeli military.

So far, they have learned this:

An analysis of the plans has demonstrated a weakness. But the approach will not be easy. You are required to maneuver straight down this trench and skim the surface to this point. The target area is only two meters wide. It's a small thermal exhaust port, right below the main port. The shaft leads directly to the reactor system. A precise hit will start a chain reaction which should destroy the station. Only a precise hit will set off a chain reaction.

26 posted on 07/14/2008 1:54:58 PM PDT by edpc (Tagline Currently Under Construction)
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To: edpc
Israel found a way to circumvent the Syrian air defense system last year and wasted no time exploiting the advantage.

Israel routinely circumvents the Syrian air defense system. That they did it again when bombing that nuclear facility is to me nothing unusual.

27 posted on 07/14/2008 1:57:15 PM PDT by fso301
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To: edpc
LOL!
Exactly.
But in the other hand i hope Israelis have a Jedi flying their jets.
28 posted on 07/14/2008 1:59:17 PM PDT by kronos77 (Kosovo is Serbian Jerusalem. No Serbia without Kosovo.)
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To: Knitebane

Dale Brown...


29 posted on 07/14/2008 2:07:57 PM PDT by wastedyears (Show me your precious darlings, and I will crush them all)
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To: Perdogg

Not sure how relevant, but here it is anyway;

http://blog.wired.com/defense/2007/10/how-israel-spoo.html


30 posted on 07/14/2008 2:09:34 PM PDT by Roccus (I love my country...the government is another story.)
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To: edpc; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Grampa Dave; devolve; MeekOneGOP

31 posted on 07/14/2008 2:21:47 PM PDT by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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To: kronos77
Also low-flying is not of any good, it can track and attack targets at 20 meters altitude.

Then we shall fly at 19 meters! (with a nod to The 300). That's 60 feet, the Israelies could do it.

32 posted on 07/14/2008 2:21:59 PM PDT by IYAS9YAS
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To: musicman

Can’t you just imagine?

“Tehran...we have a problem”


33 posted on 07/14/2008 2:36:47 PM PDT by wolfcreek (I see miles and miles of Texas....let's keep it that way.)
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To: PhilDragoo

I hope they don’t always park them so close togther...

Are those pet names for Bashir on the nose?


34 posted on 07/14/2008 2:56:19 PM PDT by rahbert
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To: edpc; SunkenCiv

“Israel dubbed its exercise “Glorious Spartan.” It is recalled that 300 glorious Spartans went down in history by forestalling the massive Persian army at a tiny land passage at the Battle of Thermopylae in 480 BC. The tiny Jewish State is now contemplating whether it must act unilaterally to forestall Iran’s nuclear threat.”


35 posted on 07/14/2008 2:56:26 PM PDT by Perdogg
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To: rahbert

Actually, when translated, it reads, “Real plane, not PhotoShop like Iranian missile”


36 posted on 07/14/2008 3:13:43 PM PDT by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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To: PhilDragoo
12 aircraft = 12 pilots = a combined IQ of 480. Maybe.

Or maybe I'm jaded from dealing with fighter pilots. ;)

God bless the men that fly and fight. I certainly have sense enough to stay on the ground.

I will, however, pat officers on the shoulder and send them into the wild blue. Beats the hell out of a ramp dropping on a beach.

/johnny

37 posted on 07/14/2008 3:31:22 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Bless us all, each, and every one.)
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To: JimRed

Negative.

The first sign an attack is underway is when Israeli drones get painted by Iranian Radars....which in turn get taken out by Israeli missiles.


38 posted on 07/14/2008 4:24:37 PM PDT by VaBthang4 ("He Who Watches Over Israel Will Neither Slumber Nor Sleep")
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To: Perdogg; AdmSmith; Berosus; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Fred Nerks; ...
Thanks Perdogg.
The Mediterranean country owns the same Russian radar, S-300, that Iran is soon to receive - or has already began receiving - from Moscow. Israel sees the S-300, which can simultaneously track hundreds of semi-stealth cruise missiles, long range missiles and aircraft, including airborne monitoring jets, as a significant threat to its entire airforce in the event of an attack on the Islamic Republic. A massive air drill reportedly carried out by Israel in the first days of June over Greek airspace was publicized by The New York Times... But veteran investigative reporter Edwin Black writes in the Edge that a crucial aspect of the drill went unreported - Israel's trial run at defeating, jamming and circumventing the Russian system.

39 posted on 07/14/2008 5:00:46 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_________________________Profile updated Friday, May 30, 2008)
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To: VaBthang4

The minute those radars go blind, and the ones in Lebanon, the Iranians could “Launch on Warning”. It is a risk we, or Israel, will have to take.


40 posted on 07/14/2008 5:02:37 PM PDT by Perdogg
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To: theBuckwheat

http://www.wired.com/politics/security/news/2005/04/67223


41 posted on 07/14/2008 8:43:07 PM PDT by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM .53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart, there is no GOD.)
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To: Oldpuppymax

Muslims serving in the U.S. Armed Forces pray, so I don’t think that it is too much of a problem!


42 posted on 07/15/2008 2:59:19 AM PDT by Tommyjo
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