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Father badly beaten after trying to protect daughter at Valleyfair
KARE11 ^ | July 15, 2008 | Staff

Posted on 07/15/2008 12:53:29 PM PDT by Bubba_Leroy

Six men remain in the Scott County jail following what police call a brutal assault on a father trying to protect his daughter.

Shakopee police say as the crowd was leaving Valleyfair Amusement Park around midnight on the 4th of July, the victim's daughter was confronted by two men.

"The 12-year-old daughter was either touched or slapped in the buttocks area," Scott County Attorney Patrick Ciliberto said. "The father confronted (the men) by yelling at them for what they had done to his daughter," he added.

Police say the two men called their friends, who were also in the park. The group of seven men and a juvenile then confronted the father.

"They beat him to the ground and then, the evidence that we have, when he was on the ground, they used their feet on him. They were kicking him in the face when he was down," Ciliberto said.

According to the criminal complaints, the men were stomping on the 41-year-old father as he lay on the ground, unconscious.

He suffered severe head injuries, including a fractured right orbital bone and possible subdural bleeding on the brain. "We don't know if there are permanent injuries yet," the County Attorney said.

Shakopee Police found the suspects in the parking lot. Seven of them were arrested and one man ran from the scene and police are still looking for him. Of the seven taken into custody, one was a 14-year-old.

The six adults charged and held in jail are Devondre Evans-Lewis, Andrew Shannon, Darris Evans, Terry Arnold, Derry Evans, and Anthony Gildersleeve.

The Scott County Attorney says several of the men have criminal histories and they are all from the Twin Cities metro area. They range in age from 18 to 22-years-old.

All six adults have been charged with 3rd degree felony assault causing substantial bodily harm.


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To: brwnsuga
The assailants are Black. There was no report on the race of the victims as far as I know. IF the victims are Black, then the crime is just as heinous as if the victims are White. No difference. And that makes a good point-- if a crime like this is committed by White people against a Black person, then there is automatically talk of Hate Crime charges and various "community leaders: (i.e. race pimps) get involved and the Black city councilpersons get on TV and make their disgusting comments and attempts are made to somehow make all White people feel guilty etc. ad naseum.

On the other hand, if it is Black perps and a White victim, then it is just viewed as a "normal" assault without any charges of Hate Crimes. That's why I feel Hate Crimes Laws are rascist by their very nature and should be taken off the books.

101 posted on 07/15/2008 2:18:17 PM PDT by San Jacinto
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To: Hot Tabasco

Eight guys are stomping one guy and you are in a ‘firearms-free’ venue. How are you going to intervene? Especially if the victim is already out of the fight. Now it’s 8 on one, and you are the 1.

Get a handful of guys to go with you (2 or 3 extra is really all it would take) and now their odds are not so overwhelming.


102 posted on 07/15/2008 2:18:22 PM PDT by xDGx
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To: brwnsuga

I just don’t think white kids are allowed to run in packs like that these days. And there aren’t that many out trying to pimp out girls at the amusement parks. I challenge you to refute that.


103 posted on 07/15/2008 2:18:43 PM PDT by ichabod1 (If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it, and if it stops moving, subsidize it.)
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To: Hot Tabasco

Didn’t the article say the assault happened around midnight? Normally those parks really clear out by that time as most parents want to get their kids home before then. I’m assuming there was at least one woman there as she was punched by one of the perps.


104 posted on 07/15/2008 2:18:47 PM PDT by bereanway
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To: brwnsuga
Why? Because we're not deluded by the veil of PC brainwashing that afflicts you.

We constantly see bogus white on black so-called hate crimes like the "Duke lacrosse rape case" trumpeted to the high heavens 24/7 on every darn channel......

Then we see real crimes like the "Knoxville Horror" where a pair of white teens are kidnapped, raped, and tortured to death in the most barbaric way imaginable and......

Nothing. Not a peep. It doesn't fit your PC template, so, the media simply doesn't cover it.

That's what we're sick of, brown sugar. The double standard.

Oh, and by the way, if you're not familiar with the FBI stats on the instance of violent white on black crime compared to black on white crime, it might interest you to look them up. They are quite eye-opening.

105 posted on 07/15/2008 2:19:20 PM PDT by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: Bubba_Leroy
That was my impression as well. The father didn't start a fight with a gang, he just yelled at two guys when one of them groped his 12 year old daughter's butt. I don't know if I would have had the restraint to only yell at them.

If I were not packing, I'd have herded my wife and/or daughter away and just tried to get out of there. Did you see the mug shots of those dudes? Best not to mess with them. If I saw a dude or two like those guys approaching me, I'd be reaching into my pocket getting ready to do a fast-draw. If I didn't have a weapon, I'd consider myself outnumbered and out gunned and would decide discretion was the better part of valor.

106 posted on 07/15/2008 2:19:27 PM PDT by Sans-Culotte
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To: brwnsuga

As far as I’m concerned RACISM is a matter of intentionally harming someone who’s INNOCENT physically or verbally because of their race.

No one here as far as I can tell is operating on that level. People are thinking in terms of SELF-PRESERVATION and FACTS.


107 posted on 07/15/2008 2:21:16 PM PDT by Transformers
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To: Skooz

I’m still trying to understand why any crime becomes an issue of race. I think what happened to this family is horrible, no matter their race. But because the perps have “ethnic” names people start ragging on diversity and black people. I know tons of black teenagers who make good grades and a fine members of my community. I know black boy scouts, cheerleaders, athletes, student leaders, what the hell do these a-holes have to do with black people in general?


108 posted on 07/15/2008 2:21:34 PM PDT by brwnsuga (Proud, Black, Sexy Conservative!!!)
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To: Bubba_Leroy
I don't disagree; however, it is really sad that this country has gotten to the point that sometimes the best chance for justice is prison gang rape.

Yet, oh so predictable to everyone except the asshats we keep putting in office. When things slip too far, God bless the people who still know to fight. In the end, it may only be you and yours to protect yourself, your family and the things and people you love.

109 posted on 07/15/2008 2:21:53 PM PDT by E. Cartman (Just say "No" to mug-whores.)
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To: ichabod1

Well then someone needs to tell the white skater boys and goths that go down my street they are not supposed to run in packs. I’m not really aware of a race of teenager that doesn’t run in a “pack”.


110 posted on 07/15/2008 2:23:29 PM PDT by brwnsuga (Proud, Black, Sexy Conservative!!!)
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To: Sans-Culotte

I imagine the father thought he was just dealing with some teenagers, and talked to them like a parent, but it turned out they were a bunch of thuggish gangsters, and they wanted to show him they didn’t give a shiz if he was a parent, so they went jungle on his a—. I can see how it happened. It’s this culture that doesn’t lock up and throw away the key, that TOLERATES this kind of behavior, it just begets more of it.


111 posted on 07/15/2008 2:24:24 PM PDT by ichabod1 (If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it, and if it stops moving, subsidize it.)
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To: Sans-Culotte
I'd have herded my wife and/or daughter away and just tried to get out of there. Did you see the mug shots of those dudes?

Have you ever thought about standing up like man.

112 posted on 07/15/2008 2:24:49 PM PDT by Orange1998
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To: brwnsuga

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I have to agree with brwnsuga.

When I posted this story, my only thought was that it was a heinous crime that should be publicized, not that it was a race story.

We now know the race of the perps. As far as I know, the names or race of the victim and his daughter have not been released. Maybe this was a racial attack, maybe it was not. There is not enough information to know. To assume that this was a racial attack or to make comments to the effect that the race of the perps explains the crime makes Freepers look like a bunch of racists.

These are thugs. I don’t care if they are white thugs or black thugs. It pisses me off when Jackson or Sharpton assume that any white on black crime is a race based hate crime and it should justifiably piss off blacks when whites do the same thing in reverse.

Yeah, these perps lived down to the worst racial stereotypes of blacks. Some of the comments on this thread live down to the worst stereotypes of conservatives.

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113 posted on 07/15/2008 2:25:12 PM PDT by Bubba_Leroy (DNC = Do Nothing Congress)
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To: bereanway

4th of July, not sure what time the fireworks were around that area (10:00 - 10:30PM?) plus getting an ice cream or something afterwards and it could pretty easily get to close to midnight without noticing.

Even if the victim were to die, I don’t think MN has the death penalty, which is a shame as the killer of Dru Sjodin and these winners would all be great candidates for old sparky.

I’m still astonished that they were out on such a low bail. Wonder who the judge was.


114 posted on 07/15/2008 2:25:29 PM PDT by xDGx
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To: brwnsuga
Why is it that because I don’t believe this is a race issue, but a crime issue, I’m supposed to be deluded. When the story broke about the young lady suing Nascar for racial discrimination alot of FR had no sympathy, some even went as far as to question the young lady’s story. I love to Freep, but I know which threads are going to piss me off eventually, because every closet racist crawls out of the woodwork.

Of course it's a race issue. Have you not seen the crime statistics for young black men?

Anyone of any race who perpetrates a crime like this is a subhuman -- black, white, or Asian. If you neglect to notice, though, that black men are committing the most heinous crimes wayyyy out of proportion to their percent of the population, you're part of the problem just as much as a dumb white liberal who argues for short jail sentences.

You can think I'm a racist if you want -- I really don't care. I'd rather live in a world surrounded by Thomas Sowells and Walter Williamses than white trash in wife beaters with their underwear sticking out, but I will not ignore the friggin TRUTH that is staring you and me in the face -- the violent crime problem is largely a young black male crime problem.

115 posted on 07/15/2008 2:26:42 PM PDT by SeafoodGumbo
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To: LetsRok
Sounds like the Dad wrote a check with his mouth that his butt couldn’t cash.

So the proper thing for him to have done is to slink away, begging them to stop groping his little girl?

Maybe that's the answer for the "New Castrati", but thank God there are still some MEN out there who take the safety and honor of their families seriously.

This guy had a choice: to handle this situation on his feet...or on his knees. Either of his choices would have been remembered buy his daughter FOREVER.

Personally, I commend him for making the right choice. Now, besides mine, there is at least one more little girl out there who knows that her daddy will ALWAYS be there to protect her, no matter what.

I'd say that Dad cashed that check just fine.

116 posted on 07/15/2008 2:28:39 PM PDT by PalmettoMason (Hey John! We're NOT your effing "friends"!)
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To: brwnsuga
I’m still trying to understand why any crime becomes an issue of race. I think what happened to this family is horrible, no matter their race. But because the perps have “ethnic” names people start ragging on diversity and black people. I know tons of black teenagers who make good grades and a fine members of my community. I know black boy scouts, cheerleaders, athletes, student leaders, what the hell do these a-holes have to do with black people in general?

Good points all.

Honestly, I think it is exasperation at the media (it is in my case, anyway).

I think it is because the widespread occurance of black on white crime is being ignored not only in the media, but by society at large. No one dares say anything about it because to do so would be to invite the ugly and unshakable label of "racist."

That leads to frustration. It's the elephant in the room everyone is too scared to point out.

117 posted on 07/15/2008 2:28:44 PM PDT by Skooz (Any nation that would elect Hillary Clinton as its president has forfeited its right to exist.)
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To: brwnsuga

I think it’s that we feel that black thugs have been allowed to hide behind the skirts of the civil rights movement, and call the people they beat “racists” and get away with murder, and like the general muslim population keeps quiet about terrisn, you don’t find very much of the black community speaking out about situations like this. We have to figure it’s because most black people figure whitey got it coming.


118 posted on 07/15/2008 2:31:21 PM PDT by ichabod1 (If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it, and if it stops moving, subsidize it.)
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To: Travis McGee

I will admit there is a disparity with 86% of whites being murdered by whites and 94% blacks being murdered by blacks according to the US Dept. of Justice, but I could not see how, just because these knuckleheads had ethnic names, the story became an indictment of blacks in general. The post starting it out questioning these perp’s names and escalating from there.


119 posted on 07/15/2008 2:31:52 PM PDT by brwnsuga (Proud, Black, Sexy Conservative!!!)
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To: Bubba_Leroy
Is concealed carry allowed in that place? if so then they should have been given some lead in the head which would have taken care of the criminals who should have been locked up in the first place.
120 posted on 07/15/2008 2:31:52 PM PDT by YOUGOTIT (The Greatest Threat to our Security is the Royal 100 Club)
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To: xDGx

Yeah. Now the girl and mom need to worry that these idiots will come after them. And Dad isn’t even around to intervene. Hope they have family.


121 posted on 07/15/2008 2:31:59 PM PDT by griffin
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To: Bubba_Leroy
From another article on this incident:

Charges: 8 took turns stomping dad at Valleyfair

"..Six men and a 14-year-old boy were jailed and charged July 8 with third-degree assault....

..He said the father was taken to Ridges Hospital in Burnsville for a fractured eye socket bone and other injuries. His office was told Monday that doctors were waiting for the man's swelling to subside before checking for permanent injuries which could justify more serious charges...."

This is crazy! A prosecutor should be able to file more charges than that based on the father's known injury.

122 posted on 07/15/2008 2:38:47 PM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: xDGx

More info on the crime:

HOW IT STARTED

Shakopee police Sgt. Jay Arras said. the man and his family were leaving Valleyfair around when a man “tried to grab the 12-year-old girl in a sexual manner.”

THE FIGHT

This prompted one of the men to call more friends over, saying they should “get these bitches.”

When the friends arrived, the father “was jumped from behind by all of them,” Arras said

The group then stomped on his head while he was down, according to the victim’s mother.

....

Though the victim was unconscious, his wife was able to inform police about what happened and identify the suspects. She said that the eight men took turns stomping on her husband’s face as he was on the ground.

http://www.myfoxtwincities.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=6986489&version=8&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.2.1


123 posted on 07/15/2008 2:48:06 PM PDT by ktime
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To: SeafoodGumbo
I will not ignore the friggin TRUTH that is staring you and me in the face -- the violent crime problem is largely a young black male crime problem.

Amen. Read today's Arkansas DEMGAZ....five (5) violent crimes...every single one of them says, "Suspect(s) is(were) a black male(s) wearing......."

What amazes me is Little Rock used to be in the top three (3) most violent cities in America (per capita) until 1995....when we passed the CHL Act 419 law allowing citizens to carry concealed handguns...now we are only in the top twentyfive (25) most violent cities (per capita).

Imagine that!

125 posted on 07/15/2008 2:52:46 PM PDT by DCBryan1 (Arm Pilots&Teachers. Build the Wall. Export Illegals. Profile Muslims. Execute child molesters RFN!)
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To: DCBryan1
Not to disparage the black crime, its important to note that a white meth head shot up a wedding a couple of weeks ago and now a real "McCoy/Hatfield" fued is brewing up in the mountains.....sigh...

I don't think its as much about race as it is about ignorance, lack of respect, and poverty IMHO.

126 posted on 07/15/2008 2:54:40 PM PDT by DCBryan1 (Arm Pilots&Teachers. Build the Wall. Export Illegals. Profile Muslims. Execute child molesters RFN!)
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To: DemforBush

I guess... the question is... what is “substantial bodily harm???”


127 posted on 07/15/2008 3:00:33 PM PDT by erikm88
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To: brwnsuga
What are you trying to say? Just say it. If the little girl’s name is ethnic too, would you care less about what happened to her family? You effing racist.

Nope. I care about crime victims regardless of their race.

But now that you mention it, why are there so many more blacks in prison today than whites? (see: Prison Statistics)

Why is there so much more black-on-white crime than there is white-on-black crime? (See: Mapping The Unmentionable: Race And Crime)

I'm not a racist. I'm a realist.

128 posted on 07/15/2008 3:01:18 PM PDT by Ol' Dan Tucker (While the truncheon may be used in lieu of conversation, words will always retain their power.)
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To: jasoncann
The Gun is Civilization
by Marko Kloos of the
Munchkin Wrangler blog

Human beings only have two ways to deal with one another: reason and force. If you want me to do something for you, you have a choice of either convincing me via argument, or force me to do your bidding under threat of force. Every human interaction falls into one of those two categories, without exception. Reason or force, that’s it.

In a truly moral and civilized society, people exclusively interact through persuasion. Force has no place as a valid method of social interaction, and the only thing that removes force from the menu is the personal firearm, as paradoxical as it may sound to some.

When I carry a gun, you cannot deal with me by force. You have to use reason and try to persuade me, because I have a way to negate your threat or employment of force.

The gun is the only personal weapon that puts a 100-pound woman on equal footing with a 220-pound mugger, a 75-year old retiree on equal footing with a 19-year old gang banger, and a single guy on equal footing with a carload of drunk guys with baseball bats. The gun removes the disparity in physical strength, size, or numbers between a potential attacker and a defender.

There are plenty of people who consider the gun as the source of bad force equations. These are the people who think that we’d be more civilized if all guns were removed from society, because a firearm makes it easier for a [armed] mugger to do his job. That, of course, is only true if the mugger’s potential victims are mostly disarmed either by choice or by legislative fiat—it has no validity when most of a mugger’s potential marks are armed.

People who argue for the banning of arms ask for automatic rule by the young, the strong, and the many, and that’s the exact opposite of a civilized society. A mugger, even an armed one, can only make a successful living in a society where the state has granted him a force monopoly.

Then there’s the argument that the gun makes confrontations lethal that otherwise would only result in injury. This argument is fallacious in several ways. Without guns involved, confrontations are won by the physically superior party inflicting overwhelming injury on the loser.

People who think that fists, bats, sticks, or stones don’t constitute lethal force watch too much TV, where people take beatings and come out of it with a bloody lip at worst. The fact that the gun makes lethal force easier works solely in favor of the weaker defender, not the stronger attacker. If both are armed, the field is level.

The gun is the only weapon that’s as lethal in the hands of an octogenarian as it is in the hands of a weight lifter. It simply wouldn’t work as well as a force equalizer if it wasn’t both lethal and easily employable.

When I carry a gun, I don’t do so because I am looking for a fight, but because I’m looking to be left alone. The gun at my side means that I cannot be forced, only persuaded. I don’t carry it because I’m afraid, but because it enables me to be unafraid. It doesn’t limit the actions of those who would interact with me through reason, only the actions of those who would do so by force. It removes force from the equation...and that’s why carrying a gun is a civilized act.

So the greatest civilization is one where all citizens are equally armed and can only be persuaded, never forced.

129 posted on 07/15/2008 3:04:01 PM PDT by B4Ranch (Having custody of a loaded weapon does not arm you. The skill to use the weapon is what arms a man.)
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker
Gee, I wonder what their ethnic background might be...

Anthony Gildersleeve sounds Hobbit.

130 posted on 07/15/2008 3:05:51 PM PDT by new cruelty (don't believe the hype)
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To: brwnsuga
I will admit there is a disparity with 86% of whites being murdered by whites and 94% blacks being murdered by blacks according to the US Dept. of Justice

I tend to shrug at such statistics- they don't tell the real story: young black males are something like 6 times as likely to be victims of a crime than their white counterparts. Almost all of that crime is at the hands of other black men, but so what?

Even with the higher incidence of black-on-white crime, whites are statistically much less likely to be victims of a crime than blacks.

131 posted on 07/15/2008 3:06:22 PM PDT by Citizen Blade
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To: brwnsuga
I will admit there is a disparity with 86% of whites being murdered by whites and 94% blacks being murdered by blacks according to the US Dept. of Justice, but I could not see how, just because these knuckleheads had ethnic names, the story became an indictment of blacks in general. The post starting it out questioning these perp’s names and escalating from there.

I wonder why you only talk about the relatively infrequent crime of murder.

More than half of all violent crimes by blacks is committed against whites. It's not the same for violent crimes commmitted by whites, which are overwhelmingly against other whites.

Face it, you're an apologist for thugs. No one here was saying that all black people are criminals, but it's an inescapable fact that crimes committed by a pack are usually young black men.

Can you tell me the name of the largest white street gang in the U.S.? What city are they strongest in? How many members do they have?

I don't have a problem with black people. I have a problem with criminals - no matter what their race. Someone is an idiot and a liar to ignore the racial element to crime, though.

Has anyone here said worse than Chris Rock? Is he a racist?

If this was a BET online forum and the same comments were made, you wouldn't be accusing anyone of racism. It's only because the people in this forum are mostly white. In fact, you're the racist.

132 posted on 07/15/2008 3:08:12 PM PDT by SeafoodGumbo
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To: LetsRok

See #129


133 posted on 07/15/2008 3:08:41 PM PDT by B4Ranch (Having custody of a loaded weapon does not arm you. The skill to use the weapon is what arms a man.)
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To: xDGx

I think there’s a town in Norway called “Chicago”, if you get my drift.


134 posted on 07/15/2008 3:14:03 PM PDT by TypeZoNegative (Barak Obama: An American African, Not An African-American. (There is a Difference.))
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We don’t need pictures. If the nature of the attack were not enough to identify these “people”, the name “Devondre” gives it away. Obama voters, all.


135 posted on 07/15/2008 3:21:05 PM PDT by Godwin1
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To: Bubba_Leroy
Devondre well isn't that special... burn them.
136 posted on 07/15/2008 3:23:45 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist ©®-CTHULHU/NYARLATHOTEP'08=Nothing LESS!!!)
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To: brwnsuga

Actually, when my white then fiancee (It’s complicated) were attacked by a bunch of racist black women, the police were about to press hate crime charges since race was a factor.


137 posted on 07/15/2008 3:25:21 PM PDT by TypeZoNegative (Barak Obama: An American African, Not An African-American. (There is a Difference.))
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To: brwnsuga

I’ve actually known stories of that happening. I remember one of my friends got raped by a group of white men and she’s never been able to trust whites. It was surreal.


138 posted on 07/15/2008 3:25:38 PM PDT by TypeZoNegative (Barak Obama: An American African, Not An African-American. (There is a Difference.))
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To: mpackard

“You know, this shit gets tired.”

Damn right it does. It wasn’t me who went off, calling all those who questioned the races of perps and victims “effin’ racists”. Oh, and then she uses the rap term “bullshiz”? Give me a break. I don’t care who she’s married to any more than I care who YOU are. I call them as I see them and I see this one crystal clear. Anybody stars calling Freepers racists can pack that garbage right back where they came from. My comment stands.


139 posted on 07/15/2008 3:28:19 PM PDT by beelzepug ("Where did the ferry money go? Enquiring minds want to know.")
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To: PalmettoMason
"I'd say that Dad cashed that check just fine."

Being possibly brain-damaged for life is far from "fine".
140 posted on 07/15/2008 3:32:18 PM PDT by LetsRok
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To: Hot Tabasco

I can somewhat comment on that. Minnesotans tend to be mild and non-confrontational. If they saw a fight like that, a group of them wouldn’t join in. Hence that’s why you see the Sh!tcago welfare thugs come here and terrorize our cities because they know we won’t fight back.


141 posted on 07/15/2008 3:37:53 PM PDT by TypeZoNegative (Barak Obama: An American African, Not An African-American. (There is a Difference.))
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To: Bubba_Leroy
I agree with Brown Sugar's point that this doesn't have to do with ALL black youths, and that there are many good black kids out there. True. And good for her for keeping saying it here.

But still, I think the black community has a specific problem with thugish behavior. In fact the 'thug problem' is worse for those many good black kids than for most white people; they live in the same neighborhoods as these creeps. If they felt OK about beating down a family guy in a very public place like this I shrudder to think what life at the local park or high school is like.

We are frustrated by what we see as a double standard: race is reported and obsessed upon endlessly in white-on-black crime, and hidden when the reverse is the case. We are suspiciious of the rush to enact 'hate crime laws' which seem to only ever be used to charge whites, when according to FBI statistics black-on-white crime is 10x more common then the reverse.

We are appalled by 6 on one beatings, no matter who is handing them out. It is a part of our culture. This is why white people hate and spurn those among our kin who act this way: mostly biker gangs (who we've done a lot to tame and eliminate since their heyday). We consider this a cowardly form of fighting, not suited to real men.

We don't understand or appreciate or condone thug culture. We don't understand why the black community seems to. We don't idealize thugs. "Thug Life" was a top selling rap album. Yes, I'm sure a lot of stupid 14 year old white boys bought it -- but the fact is the culture that created it is black culture. The culture that supports thug life is black culture.

The mothers and fathers who are raising boys who go out and do six-on-one beatings, and beat old people, and slap girls in the ass, and kick people in the head they have knocked our are black moms and black dads.

We don't get it. Don't you teach them the basics of civilization? Do past wrongs committed against your forebearers release you from the common bonds of our civilization?

We are appalled and horrified that this continues, and seems to be getting worse. We don't understand it, and yes, when it happens that a white person is beat down like this we see it as a racial incident.

We have trouble imagining a gang of 'goths or skatepunks' beating down a 45 year old man in this situation.

We still believe in squaring up and fighting fair. That's old fashioned, but it's part of our culture and heritage, and it means something to us. We still believe a fight is over when someone goes 'lights out' or begs for mercy. These are rules we've developed for thousands of years and they are important to us.

We know your culture and your history are different. We'd like to think that over time we're growing together, to a common culture. Hell, we've been here a lot of generations together. We've fought, and bled and cried together. We've made love and have lots of beautiful people amnong us to prove it.

But still, this cultural divide. This unholy acceptance of the most depraved gang thuggery.

It scares us. For ourselves and our kids. For our wives and moms and daughters.

We see this, and we shake our heads in dispair. "How can they think like that?:"

BrwnSgr you seem like a very sincere person, so I've tried to give the honest reply to your comments.

Somehow the answer to this has to start in the black community and not with everyone carrying 16 round Glocks.

142 posted on 07/15/2008 3:38:25 PM PDT by Jack Black
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To: xDGx
(2 or 3 extra is really all it would take)

Thank you for answering the question. As a side note tho, these types of teenagers are basically cowards and the injection of only one or two additional adults into the foray quite possibly may have prevented the beating.

Nevertheless, I'd rather help one person being attacked by a group of teenage thugs than stand by and watch it happen and have to live with that cowardice for the rest of my life......

143 posted on 07/15/2008 3:39:20 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco
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To: null and void

As the poster must think that everyone knows the county and location, which most don’t, did a little checking and the story is out of Minneapolis - St. Paul. Hope this helps.


144 posted on 07/15/2008 3:45:25 PM PDT by engrpat
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker

This crime had nothing to do with race...

It is true that the perpetrators were black, but that fact did not cause them to commit the crime. They committed the crime because they are animalistic thugs which come in all shades and colors. While it is true that this profile fits a large number of black americans, it is not the rule.

The fact that the victim was white was not a factor. A person challenging such thugs is going to get beat down regardless of color. The amount of black on black crime demonstrates that thugs do not distinguish these things.

Also, just because Jesse Jackson plays racial games does not justify anybody else doing it for the counter scenario. That just makes you as bad as he is. Who cares what Jesse would say if the roles were reversed??? We all agree that it is equally horrendous regardless of race so lets leave it at that. If you play Jesse’s card, you have no right to complain about it when he does it.

If you want to point the finger in somebody’s direction, point it at the liberals who set policies in MN that attract the thug types and promote irresponsibility.


145 posted on 07/15/2008 3:48:22 PM PDT by Seven Minute Maniac
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To: Hot Tabasco

An awful lot of the equation is situational awareness and not placing yourself in the situation where such things are likely to occur. One would hope that an amusement park would be such a place, but surveying the crowd can usually give some pretty clear cues as to the lay of the land. Things have changed over the past decade or two. Drastically. Now there are actions and behaviours at the local malls that were unthinkable not so long ago. So if you go, you go early and don’t hang around at closing time. I suspect the same applied at this 4th of July event. After the fireworks are over, the large majority of the crowd heads home. If you are a straggler, you are a target. Packs prey on stragglers. They single out the lone and the weak. If you have your family with you it is all the more reason to move them on out with the majority of the crowd. (Yes, it’s tough with children and women who are generally not attuned to this - protection is not their function in life - I’m talking animal basics here, no flames needed on misogyny, thank you)

Most people in the real world are remarkably oblivious to threats, and even when our instincts tell us, our primal long dormant base instincts, we tend to brush them off and conform. Yes, this guy should have just grabbed his daughter and got the hell out of there, but even for the sake of defending his own, he now lies probably comatose.

And the animals responsible have been set free.


146 posted on 07/15/2008 3:49:16 PM PDT by xDGx
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To: LetsRok
"I'd say that Dad cashed that check just fine."

Being possibly brain-damaged for life is far from "fine".

There are still those who believe that there are some things, such as their children's honor and safety, that are more important than their own personal safety.

Just curious, how far should he have let the situation go before he protested? This was already a sexual assault... so should he have said something if they ripped her blouse off? Threw her on the ground? Raped her?

I guess not. I guess he should have looked out for his own welfare and let her handle the problem by herself.

These thugs act this way precisely because no one stands up to them. The feminized American male won't risk their own safety to stand up for a moral wrong, or so these animals believe.

I fear for the kids who don't have a Dad like this one.

147 posted on 07/15/2008 3:52:52 PM PDT by PalmettoMason (Hey John! We're NOT your effing "friends"!)
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To: xDGx

I caught that one too. Spot on tip-off.


148 posted on 07/15/2008 3:58:16 PM PDT by Czar ( StillFedUptotheTeeth@Washington)
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To: LetsRok
He should have been armed and shot every damned one of them.......dead.

Reloaded, if he needed to.

Disagree?

Don't dare.

149 posted on 07/15/2008 4:03:34 PM PDT by Thumper1960 (A modern so-called "Conservative" is a shadow of a wisp of a vertebrate human being.)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
The six adults charged and held in jail are Devondre Evans-Lewis, Andrew Shannon, Darris Evans, Terry Arnold, Derry Evans, and Anthony Gildersleeve.
150 posted on 07/15/2008 4:07:17 PM PDT by SouthTexas (Invert the 5-4 and you have no rights.)
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