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McCain's bravery, as seen by one man imprisoned with him
Herald-Mail ^ | July 19, 2008 | James H. Warner

Posted on 07/19/2008 9:37:39 AM PDT by vietvet67

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To: Siobhan
His imprisonment in Viet Nam is not enough of a reason for him to be President.

Absolutely not; but his comportment during that imprisonment is a clear sign of the kind of qualities you want in a leader.

41 posted on 07/19/2008 10:37:19 AM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (Barack Obama--the first black Jimmy Carter.)
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To: Nathan Zachary

Don’t forget the thoroughly detestable Clark was also involved in the glorious armored assault on the Branch Davidians.


42 posted on 07/19/2008 10:38:42 AM PDT by attiladhun2 (Obama is the anti-Reagan, instead of opposing the world's tyrants, he wants to embrace them)
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To: Siobhan
"His imprisonment in Viet Nam is not enough of a reason for him to be President."

He never claimed it was, it's just part his lifetime of experiences that formed his character.

Never, unlike the lying coward John Kerry, did he claim himself a "war hero" whose war experiences made him most qualified to be CIC.

McCains experience, -all of it- his years in congress, whether you like the decisions he's made or not, make him far more qualified that Barry Obama, who has no experience at all in anything except Marxist philosophy and the power of forced totalitarian rule has over people.

43 posted on 07/19/2008 10:42:21 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: Siobhan

“His imprisonment in Viet Nam is not enough of a reason for him to be President.”

That is obvious. But you are missing the point. I certainly find myself in disagreement with many of McCain’s positions, such as immigration, ANWR, etc., but, he is infinitely more preferable than his counterpart. That many Americans would consider electing a man who is basely dishonest, dangerously naive, lacks any foreign policy experience, uses the race card to deflect criticism and discussion of his real qualifications, says more about our citizenry than McCain or Obama. I find this disturbing, but in the end, we will get the representation we deserve. Unfortunately, Republicans squandered their opportunities when they controlled the House and Senate and had their behinds kicked in the 06 elections. With much of the MSM in Barack’s tank, Obama is likely to be elected. All branches of government under the thumb of the DNC. The price we will pay for this will dwarf Jimmy Carter and 9/11.

Look’s like its owl medicine time...


44 posted on 07/19/2008 10:52:18 AM PDT by awaken2spirit (When one fornicates with ignorance, the result of that union is chaos.)
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To: Siobhan

The whole point of the article is his leadership ability. He was not saying because he was a POW he had the credentials to be president...it’s his leadership abilities. The man witnessed this for years as a POW with John McCain.


45 posted on 07/19/2008 11:02:31 AM PDT by shield (A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand;but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc 10:2)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP

I think you have some misinformation about the first wife. She says that it was she that asked for the divorce. She and John have an amicable relationship to this day. His cruel treatment of his first wife is a myth and this lie has become a ‘fact’ through constant repetition by the press. You can vote for whomever you wish or not vote at all. I think Obama will win the election and his National Security Force (to be as strong and well funded as the military) will give us more than something to think about.

Has he established an Obama Youth organization yet?

Best of luck!


46 posted on 07/19/2008 11:09:38 AM PDT by awaken2spirit (When one fornicates with ignorance, the result of that union is chaos.)
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To: Mr. K

Reality Check:

You have a choice of McCain, Obama, a third party candidate, or you can choose not to vote. Deal with it and make your choice. And I thought it was mainly the left that was full of utopian crap...


47 posted on 07/19/2008 11:15:25 AM PDT by awaken2spirit (When one fornicates with ignorance, the result of that union is chaos.)
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To: SolidWood
Most of his political stances are fine with me.

In which case, it is perfectly logical that you support him.

For those who think Amnesty is wrong and destructive to this country, that his cap-and-trade program will destroy the economy and subject us to international law and taxation, that he will successfully advance liberal causes faster than a democrat (LOST, green initiatives, etc) and destroy the gop in the process, it would be illogical to support such a man.

48 posted on 07/19/2008 11:28:31 AM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: John Semmens

The spoiled Bubba’s got that right . . he’s never known much about anything but feedin’ off the fat of the land. The taxpayers have been feedin’ his fat gut and payin’ his light bill for most of his life. - Bubba’s full of it, and whatever Bubba says, one can usually do the opposite and do well. - Watching him what little one can stand, his sideways gazes during another of his hour-long gaseous dispersions (speeches), one is struck by the vision of someone making it up as he goes. - Still wishing the Clintons would just take their filthy millions and retire.


49 posted on 07/19/2008 11:33:09 AM PDT by Twinkie (2 WRONGS DON'T MAKE A RIGHT!)
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To: Siobhan
His imprisonment in Viet Nam is not enough of a reason for him to be President.

No, but his conduct during that imprisonment tells me that McCain is a man of great honor, decency and courage, which are values I think would grace the office of the president. Of course, I also think a president should value the First Amendment, the concept of border security, and the notion of scientific skepticism when it comes to climate theory - McCain has problems with all of these, which goes to show that there is no perfect candidate.

But McCain is far less imperfect than Obama for me.
50 posted on 07/19/2008 11:42:21 AM PDT by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: awaken2spirit
I think you have some misinformation about the first wife. She says that it was she that asked for the divorce.

Care to offer a citation? Every article I've read says the exact opposite... HE filed for divorce.

McCain's broken marriage and fractured Reagan friendship

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An examination of court documents tells a different story. McCain did not sue his wife for divorce until Feb. 19, 1980, and he wrote in his court petition that he and his wife had "cohabited" until Jan. 7 of that year -- or for the first nine months of his relationship with Hensley.

Although McCain suggested in his autobiography that months passed between his divorce and remarriage, the divorce was granted April 2, 1980, and he wed Hensley in a private ceremony five weeks later. McCain obtained an Arizona marriage license on March 6, 1980, while still legally married to his first wife.

Until McCain filed for divorce, the Reagans and their inner circle assumed he was happily married, and they were stunned to learn otherwise, according to several close aides.

"Everybody was upset with him," recalled Nancy Reynolds, a top aide to the former president who introduced him to McCain.

... more


51 posted on 07/19/2008 11:47:14 AM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: awaken2spirit

I will not vote for a democrat- and since there are two running, I wil only vote R across the board for congress, and not cast any vote for pres.

There are 4 scenarios:

1)Obama/Dem majority in congress
GOD HELP US

2) McCain/Republican congress
almost as bad because they will give him every liberal thing he wants ‘for the good of the party’

3) McCain Democrat congress... marginally better than 1)

4) Obama/Republican- STALEMATE - possible the best we can hope for this election


52 posted on 07/19/2008 11:54:34 AM PDT by Mr. K (Some days even my lucky rocketship underpants don't help)
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To: Siobhan
Yep. That was then. This is now. He's not the John McCain I knew.
53 posted on 07/19/2008 11:58:59 AM PDT by isrul (Help make every day, "Disrespect a muzzie day.")
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To: calcowgirl
"Everybody was upset with him," recalled Nancy Reynolds, a top aide to the former president who introduced him to McCain.

Then "Everybody" was totally out of line. It's between McCain and his ex-wife - the fact that he's running for the presidency does not make his marriages and divorces anyone else's business.
54 posted on 07/19/2008 12:01:49 PM PDT by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: rabscuttle385; indylindy; calcowgirl; Ingtar; djsherin; Sunnyflorida; SoConPubbie; Sybeck1; ...
There is one thing you should never do and that is to impugn a POW.

POWs can do no evil. You must never criticize them, you stupid civilians! /sarc

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55 posted on 07/19/2008 12:02:48 PM PDT by rabscuttle385 ("When you can't make them see the light, make them feel the heat." Ronald Reagan)
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To: Mr. K

There is only one scenario under which I can vote for McCain, and that is to accelerate the suicide of the Republican Party. Let’s not forget how the GOP formed in the aftermath of the death of the Whig Party, one hundred and fifty years ago, give or take. If it can’t be saved, then put it out of its misery, and start fresh.


56 posted on 07/19/2008 12:06:33 PM PDT by rabscuttle385 ("When you can't make them see the light, make them feel the heat." Ronald Reagan)
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To: AnotherUnixGeek

When someone chooses to slime Carol McCain just to prop up Johnny boy, I think it deserves comment to set the record straight.

As to whether his marriages and divorce are anyone’s business, I would suggest that the *character* of a presidential candidate is everyone’s business.


57 posted on 07/19/2008 12:09:38 PM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: Siobhan

Will you be voting for Obama?


58 posted on 07/19/2008 12:10:01 PM PDT by Velveeta
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To: calcowgirl
I would suggest that the *character* of a presidential candidate is everyone’s business.

And I'd suggest that a divorce after a forced 5 year separation during which both parties suffered severe physical injuries and emotional trauma says absolutely nothing negative about the character of either husband or wife.


59 posted on 07/19/2008 12:17:24 PM PDT by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: vietvet67

McCain has proved he has courage when put to the ultimate test, as he demonstrated in the Hanoi Hilton. Now, if only he exhibited that sort of courage in the political realm.

Such things as ANWR, for instance. For him to compare drilling in the Grand Canyon to the North Slope of Alaska is incredible. I have worked on the slope, by the way.

I have a hard time understanding this man. WHY is he such a Rhino? WHY does he stab conservatives in the back every chance he gets? Is he just stupid, or is he a liberal in Republican clothes?

We know he has courage, obviously then, the reason he does not exhibit courage for conservative issues is because he does not believe in them.

I know, but look at the alternative. I’ll probably vote for him for that reason and that reason alone. It really goes against my grain. Knowing that he is going to continue his back stabbing ways if he gets elected.


60 posted on 07/19/2008 12:32:25 PM PDT by sasportas
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