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Why China is No Longer a Communist Country
The China Teaching Web ^ | 7/24/2008 | Robert Vance

Posted on 07/25/2008 2:46:56 AM PDT by robertvance

While Mao’s body has been amazingly preserved since his death in 1976, it seems that his spirit has not survived the test of time. He may lie in eternal peace inside his Mausoleum but the world around him has changed considerably; China is no longer the gray and drab country that it was during Mao’s time. It is now a place where people can dream and then go out and make that dream come true. It is not like the old days. People other than just high government officials can drive cars. Chinese people can do business and store up wealth for themselves. Peasants can go to the university now; finding food to eat is no longer such a grave concern. Just around the corner from where Chairman Mao lies in State, the American restaurant chain McDonald’s is full of Chinese people enjoying greasy food and a cool environment. Inside homes, people can watch Western movies on DVD and even occasionally on state owned television. The world is just a mouse click away for the millions of Chinese people who have access to the Internet. Friends and family are no longer afraid of discussing politics with each other. It is even acceptable to criticize the government behind closed doors. All this is happening as Chairman Mao sleeps peacefully at Tiananmen Square. If only he knew.

(Excerpt) Read more at teachabroadchina.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 2008olympics; boycottchina; boycottolympics; ccp; china; communism; fascism; mao; olympics; redchina
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To: robertvance
The mere mention of the Communist Party and all the great deeds it has done for China

What kind of ChiCom propaganda crap is this? Give me a break.

51 posted on 07/25/2008 7:31:38 AM PDT by jmc813 (Scattered, smothered, covered, diced, chunked)
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To: robertvance

From the article:
“where is communism still manifested in China today? Where are the basic Communist values of sharing and equality evident in Chinese society now? They cannot be found. Quite simply, China is no longer a communist country.
If we are looking for evidence of communism in China, the first and most important place to look is at the economy. The economy in China is now decidedly capitalistic in nature. Average Chinese citizens can start their own businesses and put their income into private bank accounts. Chinese citizens can buy stocks in companies and enjoy the revenues or suffer the losses. As of just a few years ago, private property rights have been greatly enhanced in China, and Chinese people can now be more secure that their land will not be taken away from them.”

Several years ago, there was a discussion thread here on FR along the subject of “would the United States go to war with China over Taiwan?”

I replied that, no, we would not, for a very good reason: it would not be worth it because the “two Chinas” were becoming more alike, and that re-unification would be a natural outcome of this progress. Even reunification “under duress”.

The conventional rationale throughout the Cold War was that Taiwan represented freedom (and capitalism), whereas “Red” China represented Communism and slavery.

Once that may have been true, but no longer. Communist countries simply do not operate as China operates today. Granted, the political system has yet to be “opened up” as has the ecomonic system, but in time that must happen, too. I have read about an increasing number of “Christian converts” among the Chinese. If Christianity ever begins to gain a significant foothold in China, watch out, for it is the combination of Christianity and a hunger for freedom (along with knowledge for knowledge’s sake) that created “the West”.

Aside from the fading one-party system in mainland China, there is less and less from which to distinguish it from Taiwan. There is less and less “to go to war for”. Contrast this with Israel, a beacon of freedom surrounded by the darkness of Islam. Even the leaders of China understand Islam, and - amazingly - seem to confront its domestic threat with more fortitude than we do here.

There will never be war between the United States and China over Taiwan. It’s no longer worth American blood and treasure to go to war over two “like nations” that really should re-unite into one. Even the Soviets, at the end of their days, understood this about Germany.

- John


52 posted on 07/25/2008 7:41:18 AM PDT by Fishrrman
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To: compound w
And only a fool or a fellow traveler suggests otherwise.
This kind of argument just stinks.


Too bad, so sad.

As long as they have that hammer and sickle on that bright red flag while they oppress over a billion people, they're Commies.

End of story.
53 posted on 07/25/2008 7:42:58 AM PDT by mkjessup
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To: compound w
How is the air quality doing in Beijing now?

If it is doing well, then there is something good about being fascist; like Kalifornia. LOL.

54 posted on 07/25/2008 7:46:46 AM PDT by Fishing-guy
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To: Fishrrman

I agree with you. Just a few weeks ago, I wrote a post entitled “How Money Threatens to Reunite China and Taiwan.” You can see it here....

http://www.teachabroadchina.com/china-taiwan-flights-reunification/

Reunification seems inevitable especially when you consider the economic aspects.


55 posted on 07/25/2008 7:49:34 AM PDT by robertvance
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To: robertvance

Of course it is not communist. Everyone except Kim Il Jong, Fidel Castro, Evo Morales, and Hugo Chavez has figured out communism is dead.

China’s government is still brutally totalitarian. Is that any better? Were Mussolini and Hitler better than Stalin and Mao (omitting, of course, of total body count - Mao is still king there)?

Economic self-determination was but one of many rights trampled upon by communist governments. Is it any tribute to them that they have found it to their advantage to loosen up the economic repression in order to maintain its stranglehold on all other rights?


56 posted on 07/25/2008 7:53:01 AM PDT by Law is not justice but process
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To: mkjessup
There is a reason Communist China is ruled by the Chinese Communist Party,

Beat me to it.

you don't suppose it might be because they're still a bunch of f'in Commies do you? No ethics, no morals, the State remains supreme over the individual? Yeah, that's Communism.

That's the practical reality that Commnuism inevitably brings. The author is noting that those in power in the CCP are using capitalistic economic principles, not communist economic principles, to continue to hold their position. It's a valid and interesting point... made even more intriguing since China refuses to say it openly, and calls their policies "Chinese Socialism", LOL.

I have been delighted to have extended conversations with numerous CCP members (especially over copious amounts of beer), and they are almost universal in their defense of communist economic principles... up until the liquor brings out the truth. They're not stupid. They tell me that Communism hasn't worked anywhere, and it is not the path to a successful nation. However, that's the party in power (by law, as written in their Constitution), and so one can have a better life for their families and heirs simply by pretending. For most, it's an easy choice, especially coming from parents who likely lived hand-to-mouth when they were children.

The CCP knows that they are one large riot away from having their position truly endangered. Tiannenmen Square in 1988 scared them witless, and was the reason they reacted so... poorly. Although we don't hear much about it outside of China, there are near-DAILY riots in China even now. The economic explosion has not reached the rural areas, but news of the lifestyle that Chinese in the cities enjoy certainly has. In a supposedly fair and communal system, this doesn't come as welcome news. With only 2 million soldiers, 25 million non-believing members with paper=thin loyalty (and probably only a cadre of hard-core believers numbering only 200,000), it would only take a coordinated uprising of only 2% of the population to put them in true jeopardy. (2% of 1.3 billion is about 26 million). That's a major reason why China is so suspicious of religion... any organization that can motivate people in numbers represents real danger to their supremacy!

57 posted on 07/25/2008 7:55:49 AM PDT by Teacher317 (Thank you Dith Pran for showing us what Communism brings)
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To: Teacher317
The CCP knows that they are one large riot away from having their position truly endangered.

That will be a great day in world history. Hopefully it comes sooner than later.

58 posted on 07/25/2008 8:11:45 AM PDT by jmc813 (Scattered, smothered, covered, diced, chunked)
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To: robertvance
Look in Tibet. Oh, right, they won't let you.

Chinese Regime Implicated in Staging Violence in Lhasa—UPDATED

Agents Provocateur? ["Tibetan supporter" who attacked torch bearer may be Chinese agent]

China salaries overseas Chinese for anti-Tibetan protests (rent-a-mob: $350 per head)

‘Beijing orchestrating Tibet riots’

Attack on an American volunteer by anti-Carrefour mob in Zhuzhou, Hunan
"The cab driver was shouting at him to get out. Then they started hitting the car.
The crowd was shouting "kill him! kill the Frenchman."" (he was actually an American but small difference to a government hired mob)

59 posted on 07/25/2008 9:38:14 AM PDT by TigersEye (Drill or get off the Hill. ... call Nancy Pelosi @ 202 - 225 - 0100)
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To: indcons; Virginia Ridgerunner

Here is an entire thread devoted to ChiCom trolling.


60 posted on 07/25/2008 9:43:32 AM PDT by TigersEye (Drill or get off the Hill. ... call Nancy Pelosi @ 202 - 225 - 0100)
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To: goldstategop

Is censoring the internet “robust debate”?


61 posted on 07/25/2008 9:53:18 AM PDT by allmendream (If "the New Yorker" makes a joke, and liberals don't get it, is it still funny?)
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To: allmendream; goldstategop
Is blacking out portions of television newscasts "robust debate?"

CNN World : Tibet : Chinas media blackout

62 posted on 07/25/2008 9:59:23 AM PDT by TigersEye (Drill or get off the Hill. ... call Nancy Pelosi @ 202 - 225 - 0100)
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To: Law is not justice but process
Is it any tribute to them that they have found it to their advantage to loosen up the economic repression in order to maintain its stranglehold on all other rights?

No, it's a tribute to us and our system. It really does breed success. (China is yet another economic example, notwithstanding the silly name they give it.) It also breeds hope, better standards of living, etc.

China's government has been eager to implement the economic freedoms, but it reticent to start with the social reforms. This was expected on all sides. Our logic was/is that once the people taste some freedom and success, they'll want more. Many scoff at the notion, but it seems to have some merit. The CCP's current story is that social reforms cannot begin until the economic reforms are stable. I have heard this tired line from MANY of my Chinese friends. They seem to accept the idea, and have some measure of trust in the government. I try to tell them, as often as possible, that if they wait until the economy is utterly stable, the social reforms will never come. (Heck, look at the US economy. When could it be said to have been "totally stable"? In a healthy capitalistic economy, there are downturns... sometimes bad ones.)

Just like Iran (with it's largely pro-Western younger generations), it seems like a victory for the good side is inevitable in the long run... but the bad guys certainly don't want to leave before making a mess of things. Enjoy the good news when you can find it in the media!

63 posted on 07/25/2008 10:19:26 AM PDT by Teacher317 (Thank you Dith Pran for showing us what Communism brings)
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To: ImphClinton

Why don’t you tell us about your trips to China, and the changes you’ve seen over the years?


64 posted on 07/25/2008 10:34:30 AM PDT by Exit148 (Founder of the Loose Change Club. Every nickle and dime counts!!)
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To: edpc

Freerepublic.com is not censored. I spend many hours reading and posting from our layover hotel in Beijing.


65 posted on 07/25/2008 10:43:33 AM PDT by ALPAPilot
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To: robertvance

China is now Prime SuperFascist State.

All the hallmarks. One political entity, limited individual rights, free speech only when permitted, and a overriding corporate structure with private ownership, along with the military controlling key parts and some not so key, but very, very profitable parts of the economy, an effective domestic police spying apparatus.


66 posted on 07/25/2008 10:43:56 AM PDT by swarthyguy (Osama Freedom Day: 2500 or so since September 11 2001! That's SIX +years, Dubya.)
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To: CowboyJay
Selling us the rope with which they will hang us...

This is a tired and old statement quoted many times for those critical of free market reforms in China. It was stated by Lenin a long time ago and has nothing to do with China today.

Only through capitalism, can China raise her standard of living. The US and the West has won the ideological battle. So, it's time to let countries like China prosper as a result.

What is happening with China today reminds me of a documentary I saw about Japan back in 1990 or so (before their decade long recession). It went into detail about Japans post war prosperity. And some discussion about American animosity towards it. At the end of the program, an American business man in Japan said "When we defeated Japan, there were three things we wanted from them, to give up military pursuits, be peace at the world, and to devote their energy to economic pursuits. We got all three and now we're unhappy". He chuckled a little at the end of the quote.

But I see the same thing happening with China. The US and her allies has won the idealogical war. And now, there is an uneasiness about China pursuing the same thing the West is. China is developing increased economic cooperation from countries in Latin America, the Middle East, Africa and the Pacific Rim. The exact same thing America is doing. Something that is a result of China abandoning Marxism and embracing capitalism.

Democracy is coming to China for sure. But when it arrives, suspicion and animosity from the US towards China will still be present..... well, at least from today's generation.

67 posted on 07/25/2008 11:29:47 AM PDT by ponder life
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To: ponder life
Democracy is coming to China for sure. But when it arrives, suspicion and animosity from the US towards China will still be present..... well, at least from today's generation.

I think, in a few decades, China will be a democratic country with a plurality of Christians. It will be the world's biggest democracy, economy and military power.

We will probably be living in a multi-polar world, with China playing the role of a stabilizing regional power in East Asia. That may make people in the US today uncomfortable, but it will probably be a good thing for this country as we won't have to play the role of policemen to the entire world.

68 posted on 07/25/2008 11:40:29 AM PDT by Citizen Blade
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To: ponder life
You apparently misread my post. I'm not critical of market reforms in China. I'm skeptical as to the logical outcome.

"The US and her allies has won the idealogical war."

By what measure? Totalitarianism seems to be working out fine for them. Nobody in the international community is even calling them on it anymore. Meanwhile Socialism and Authoritarianism continue their creep into our society.

Democracy is coming to China for sure.

Pure speculation. I'll see that and raise:

If and when 'democracy' does come to China, it will strongly resemble the 1930's German version.
69 posted on 07/25/2008 12:07:14 PM PDT by CowboyJay (There's always 2012...)
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To: robertvance

BS


70 posted on 07/25/2008 12:07:46 PM PDT by dragnet2
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To: Citizen Blade
That may make people in the US today uncomfortable, but it will probably be a good thing for this country as we won't have to play the role of policemen to the entire world.

I think the US will play the role as the world's policemen even if China does become the larger player (economically) in the world. Only cause America will be so accustomed to it...and China will not be so anxious to fill that role.

71 posted on 07/25/2008 12:25:03 PM PDT by ponder life
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To: robertvance

This is actually not news. The Chinese are still very anxious to not stand out except in prescribed ways and they still rely on the top Gov’t as the ultimate authority. This might not be Communism and maybe it never was.


72 posted on 07/25/2008 12:30:39 PM PDT by RightWhale (I will veto each and every beer)
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To: Citizen Blade; Virginia Ridgerunner; TigersEye; compound w; Army Air Corps

“It will be the world’s biggest democracy, economy and military power.”

“China playing the role of a stabilizing regional power in East Asia.”

Wow...lots of Chicom trolls and enablers have signed up in the last couple of months.

Did Lead ChiCom Troll “compound w” send you to this forum?


73 posted on 07/25/2008 12:32:58 PM PDT by indcons
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To: CowboyJay
You apparently misread my post. I'm not critical of market reforms in China. I'm skeptical as to the logical outcome.

How could I have read it any other way than to assume you were attacking market reform?

By what measure? Totalitarianism seems to be working out fine for them. Nobody in the international community is even calling them on it anymore. Meanwhile Socialism and Authoritarianism continue their creep into our society.

China's current acceptance, at the moment, of an authortarian government has to do with its efficiency in building up her infrastructure. The Chinese people know, that wranglings can delay major projects through democracy. But there will be a time for it once everything is built.

Pure speculation. I'll see that and raise:

If and when 'democracy' does come to China, it will strongly resemble the 1930's German version..

You're making arguement for arguement's sake. 1930's Germany went from a democracy to a dictorship. China is heading the other way. It went from a dictatorship (Mao) to the current authoritarian government today. And more and more provinces are gaining greater autonomy. Local elections continue to grow. And mass protests are occuring today, something that would have been unheard of just a couple decades ago. And would have been unheard of in 1930's Germany.

74 posted on 07/25/2008 12:37:40 PM PDT by ponder life
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To: indcons

My posts are my own and I have no ties to China whatsoever. I’ve never even been to Asia.


75 posted on 07/25/2008 12:40:01 PM PDT by Citizen Blade (Batman is a Democrat. The Punisher is a Republican)
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To: indcons

I followed it’s trail.


76 posted on 07/25/2008 12:44:09 PM PDT by TigersEye (Drill or get off the Hill. ... call Nancy Pelosi @ 202 - 225 - 0100)
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To: compound w; ImphClinton
Troll. You have no idea what you’re talking about.

compound w Since Jun 29, 2008

Just signed up, and calling someone who criticizes the CCP a 'Troll'? How's that job at the Party propaganda office working out for you there, Comrade.
77 posted on 07/25/2008 12:51:34 PM PDT by CowboyJay (There's always 2012...)
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To: ponder life
"You're making arguement for arguement's sake."

Bullfeathers! Pointing out the pitfalls of progressivism. Truth is, neither you nor I nor the Pope in Rome knows what China will do with its' newfound might.

Would you willingly give up your apex position in the food chain to a hungry Grizzly on the presumption that he's currently making vegetarian reforms?
78 posted on 07/25/2008 1:03:55 PM PDT by CowboyJay (There's always 2012...)
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To: Exit148

Did you know if you clicked on a person it would tell you when he registered?

I seldom post though at least not in the last few years.

Dali Lama hasn’t been there recently has he. Millions others rot in Chinas political prisons, or are murdered for their organs. Why would I go to a country where what I say will put me in prison and they might just steal my heart literally. I am not insane.


79 posted on 07/25/2008 4:25:48 PM PDT by ImphClinton (Four More Years Go Bush)
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To: compound w
Satellite dishes are everywhere

That I haven't seen. I've heard that people caught with these things will have their dishes confiscated and incur heavy fines.

80 posted on 07/25/2008 6:28:23 PM PDT by Zhang Fei
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To: compound w
There is much more balance on the average China news channel than on MSNBC, without doubt.

From what I've seen, this is false. The average Chinese news channel is a conduit for glorifying the Chinese state. American channels covered the Abu Ghraib incident in microscopic detail. Chinese news channels don't provide any critical coverage of the government with respect to the Tiananmen Square massacre during anniversaries, let alone the recent Tibetan demonstrations. While the American media was whaling on Bush for 1000 unavoidable drownings during Katrina, the Chinese media fawned over Wen Jiabao as Chinese rescue personnel ignored people whom the Western media managed to talk to, before they died over a period of days.

81 posted on 07/25/2008 6:37:54 PM PDT by Zhang Fei
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To: robertvance
Kind of sounds like Zimbabwe to me. Is Mugabe a Commie?

Yes, he's always been a communist - the Chinese and the Soviets both helped him come to power with funding, training and weaponry. Ever since he came to power, he's been doing a version of the Chinese nationalizations of property after the Chinese Communist victory in 1949. Lo and behold, roughly a decade after he came to power, the Zimbabwean economy started sliding south. The problem is he's encountering is the same one as the Chinese encountered after the communist victory - looting the productive members of society can work for a number of years, before these people decide that it's no longer worthwhile to work hard, only to hand all their stuff to looters.

82 posted on 07/25/2008 6:46:08 PM PDT by Zhang Fei
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To: Zhang Fei

Hello! I’m looking out my window now and seeing dishes everwhere—it’s one of those “illegal but allowed” things. In Shanghai, where we stayed, we watched Taiwan news channels!

Your point about the Chinese media not covering some stories is well taken—certainly no one talks honestly about Tiananmen. But I’ve seen several discussions about riots out west and these are reported in the daily news.

I realize that some may read my words and think I’m touting China as some kind of paradise—my goodness, I know it’s not. But it is an amazing and rapidly changing place.


83 posted on 07/25/2008 6:55:10 PM PDT by compound w
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To: CowboyJay

My signup date has nothing to do with the fact that you wish to argue only through intimidation and name calling - a typical sign of ignorance.


84 posted on 07/25/2008 6:56:30 PM PDT by compound w
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To: robertvance
I am merely pointing out that the term communist cannot really be applied to China anymore.

Just because China is not a communist country doesn't mean it's not a problem. I think the real problem with China isn't communism - it's the fact that over thousands of years, China has been the ever expanding empire. Only two centuries of relative weakness* has somewhat constrained China's territorial ambitions. When Japan embarked on its quest for empire, it was merely emulating what the Chinese had done for thousands of years before it. Ordinary Chinese are not satisfied with China's boundaries, and I suspect a Chinese leader who decides China needs more land and starts a war to take that land would have universal public support. (He would, of course, cite historical documents where China treated those as tributary states).

* Note that this weakness was only relative to the Western powers. The Chinese state mustered up enough military power to take Tibet and East Turkistan during the period of "weakness", now about 40% of China's entire territorial extent.

85 posted on 07/25/2008 7:00:15 PM PDT by Zhang Fei
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To: ponder life; indcons; robertvance; compound w
ponderlife: What is happening with China today reminds me of a documentary I saw about Japan back in 1990 or so (before their decade long recession). It went into detail about Japans post war prosperity. And some discussion about American animosity towards it. At the end of the program, an American business man in Japan said "When we defeated Japan, there were three things we wanted from them, to give up military pursuits, be peace at the world, and to devote their energy to economic pursuits. We got all three and now we're unhappy". He chuckled a little at the end of the quote.

But I see the same thing happening with China. The US and her allies has won the idealogical war. And now, there is an uneasiness about China pursuing the same thing the West is. China is developing increased economic cooperation from countries in Latin America, the Middle East, Africa and the Pacific Rim. The exact same thing America is doing. Something that is a result of China abandoning Marxism and embracing capitalism.

There are significant differences between the Japanese and the Chinese. The Chinese have not given up military pursuits. They have significant espionage efforts in America - with a couple of dozen ethnic Chinese, or Chinese nationals charged annually. The Chinese sell ballistic missiles to America's enemies. Chinese nuclear bomb plans showed up in Pakistani hands. China props up North Korea's Kim Jong Il with economic aid. It props up Zimbabwe's Robert Mugabe with economic aid. It supplied the Taliban with weapons after September 11. The Chinese Propaganda Ministry came up with a video - right after 9/11 - celebrating that event as a well-deserved blow against America. Heck - some Chinese journalists were booted out after being seen applauding at live coverage of the collapse of the Twin Towers, as they were being escorted around the city on a PR junket conducted by State Department staffers.

86 posted on 07/25/2008 7:18:41 PM PDT by Zhang Fei
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To: CowboyJay; compound w; ImphClinton

Cowboy Jay and ImphClinton - please meet “compound w,” the most virulent and brainwashed ChiCom troll on this forum. In its few days here, this one has managed to post the most outrageous opinions against freedom and in favor of forced abortion and genocide.


87 posted on 07/25/2008 8:33:42 PM PDT by indcons
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To: Zhang Fei

Zhang Fei - meet the new batch of trainees from the PLA re-education camp. But for people like you who have been to China, we wouldn’t have any way of refuting the liars and the knaves that are sent to sign up here on a weekly basis now.


88 posted on 07/25/2008 8:36:27 PM PDT by indcons
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To: compound w; Virginia Ridgerunner; TigersEye; Army Air Corps
I'll post this in a language than even your PLAN teachers can understand: 停止说谎,复合w。 你通过称ImphClinton开始了拖钓。 并且那是富有来自你。 For the Chinese impaired among us - Stop lying, compound w. You started by calling ImphClinton a troll. And that's rich coming from YOU.
89 posted on 07/25/2008 8:42:38 PM PDT by indcons
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To: robertvance
China is still a dictatorship run by the Communist Party of China, no matter what is happening in it's domestic economic marketplace.

And, as far as what is happening in its domestic economic marketplace, everything that is allowed are privileges granted by the dictators not rights that the dictators cannot, and do no revoke at will when it suits the Chinese Communist Party's interest.

Politically it has morphed into a form of state-capitalism that most closely resembles communism's close cousin - Fascism.

The west's current relationship with China has the west's head in the sand, believing the west's own wishful-thinking myths about China with a heavy dose of U.S. crony capitalists helping to sell those myths (dictatorships are always easier for "global corporations to deal with - more predictable).

90 posted on 07/25/2008 8:46:55 PM PDT by Wuli
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To: indcons

He’s still playing games with me on the other thread too. Same old same old. Throws out a lie, plays wounded when called on it, then starts insulting. Round and round the same pattern we’ve seen a dozen times.


91 posted on 07/25/2008 8:51:48 PM PDT by TigersEye (Drill or get off the Hill. ... call Nancy Pelosi @ 202 - 225 - 0100)
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To: TigersEye

Which other thread is the abortion cheerleader infecting now?


92 posted on 07/25/2008 8:57:18 PM PDT by indcons
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To: mkjessup

“No ethics, no morals, the State remains supreme over the individual?”

Kind of sounds like DC. :)


93 posted on 07/25/2008 8:59:26 PM PDT by dljordan
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To: raybbr

What, pray tell, are those critters?


94 posted on 07/25/2008 9:00:37 PM PDT by dljordan
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To: indcons
Running in circles over here.
95 posted on 07/25/2008 9:18:04 PM PDT by TigersEye (Drill or get off the Hill. ... call Nancy Pelosi @ 202 - 225 - 0100)
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To: dljordan
“No ethics, no morals, the State remains supreme over the individual?”
Kind of sounds like DC. :)


And Chairman Fenty and the Communist Party of D.C. (aka the D.C. Council) are united in their efforts to keep the peasants disarmed, no matter what the SCOTUS ruled about their illegal gun ban.

Good comparison FRiend.
96 posted on 07/25/2008 10:08:51 PM PDT by mkjessup
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To: indcons

I started the name calling? You are out of your f*ing mind.


97 posted on 07/25/2008 11:57:13 PM PDT by compound w
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To: indcons

“abortion cheerleader”

another lie?


98 posted on 07/26/2008 12:05:46 AM PDT by compound w
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To: TigersEye

“Throws out a lie, plays wounded when called on it, then starts insulting. Round and round the same pattern we’ve seen a dozen times.”

You seem to be living in bizarro world. Over dozens of posts I’ve listed specific examples of changes that have occured in Chinese society and politics over the past several years. I’ve made logical comparisons to other nations. I’ve admitted that China remains an authoritarian state.

But for you guys, anything other than hate spewing against China renders one a “commie mouthpiece.” It’s downright laughable.


99 posted on 07/26/2008 12:10:06 AM PDT by compound w
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To: compound w

What are you talking about? You’re the one who called a FReeper who has been here since 1998 a troll. You’re delusional.


100 posted on 07/26/2008 12:13:01 AM PDT by TigersEye (Drill or get off the Hill. ... call Nancy Pelosi @ 202 - 225 - 0100)
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