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OAK RIDGE: Hiroshima Day brings contrasting reactions
Knoxville News Sentinel ^ | 8/7/8 | Bob Fowler

Posted on 08/06/2008 10:58:42 PM PDT by SmithL

Annual event near Y-12 features protest, praise of nukes -

OAK RIDGE - At the minute Wednesday that an atomic bomb was dropped 63 years ago, Ralph Hutchison suddenly stopped reading somber reflections on that historic instant when the world forever changed.

During the moment of silence that followed, a woman in favor of nuclear weapons could be heard in the background, defiantly singing "Onward Christian Soldiers."

Such is the study in contrasts typical for the Oak Ridge Environmental Peace Alliance's annual commemoration of Hiroshima Day.

In front of the Y-12 nuclear weapons plant, alliance members protested the production of nuclear weapons, while atomic bomb supporters offered a noisy counter-protest nearby.

Alliance members Wednesday hung colorful paper peace cranes on the fenced border of the Y-12 National Security Complex, which holds the nation's biggest stash of bomb-grade uranium.

"The only thing that nuclear weapons are doing now is giving more nations the excuse to get them," said Eric Evers of Knoxville, as he displayed a poster showing the horrors of nuclear war. Evers said he's been protesting Y-12 for seven years.

At the same time, Rhea County residents June Griffin and her daughter-in-law, Stacy Griffin, stood next to Scarboro Road's intersection with Y-12's main entrance, holding a banner proclaiming "The Atomic Bomb Saved My Life" that's signed by several hundred World War II veterans.

(Excerpt) Read more at knoxnews.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial; Government; Politics/Elections; US: Tennessee
KEYWORDS: atomicbomb; endthewar; hiroshima; oakridge; wwii

Motoko F. Huthwaite attaches a paper crane to a fence belonging to the Y-12 National Security Complex in Oak Ridge on Wednesday morning during the Names and Remembrance Ceremony. The ceremony was held to mark the 63rd anniversary of the bombing of Hiroshima, and protest Y-12's involvement in the creation of the atomic bomb.
1 posted on 08/06/2008 10:58:42 PM PDT by SmithL
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Posted by grpphoto on August 7, 2008 at 12:27 a.m.

Dropping the bomb saved at least 12 million Japanese lives. The Japanese military at the time claimed that it saved at least 2 million Allied troops. And that's just on the southernmost island of Japan.


Posted by toolmeister on August 7, 2008 at 12:39 a.m.

Regarding the bombing of Japan remember this as was told to me by veteran who saw the allied bombing of Dresden Germany. "Soldiers die in war they build a monument and call you a hero, women and children die people remember and don't start wars again". Germany and Japan have been remarkably well behaved since those days haven't they.


2 posted on 08/06/2008 11:01:09 PM PDT by SmithL (Drill Dammit!)
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To: SmithL
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3 posted on 08/06/2008 11:06:48 PM PDT by americanophile
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To: SmithL

Is there any memorial or “moment of silence” in Japan every December 7?

Somehow I doubt that there is.


4 posted on 08/06/2008 11:07:02 PM PDT by bajabaja
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To: bajabaja

Actually, if Pearl Harbor Day were recognized in Japan, it would be done on December 8 due to the International Date Line. Your point, however, is well made as I doubt there are any Americans going over there to remind them of their heinous behavior in that period - - Nanking, Pearl Harbor, Bataan, etc.


5 posted on 08/06/2008 11:18:53 PM PDT by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't.)
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To: T-Bird45

The atomic bomb is a very destructive weapon, no question. But, for those who criticize our use of the bomb in WW II, I just can’t get past the fact that Japan started that war. We didn’t start that war, but we did finish it. The death toll is sad, but by ending the war so promptly, the use of the bomb probably saved lives on both sides at the end of the war.

It was the ultimate shock and awe weapon back in 1945.

People who blame us for using the atomic bomb tend to be the same people who blame America first for all of the problems in the world.


6 posted on 08/06/2008 11:23:25 PM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: T-Bird45
I had a few beers, believe it or not, with Hiroshima bomb attack survivors some time back. One still had some pretty nasty scars. I think he was a young schoolboy when it went off that morning.

Quite some stories to tell.

They did not speak English so I could get the eyewitness stuff from them in Japanese. I also have had some very interesting talks with guys who were in Honolulu when Imperials attacked on 7 December.

These folks wont be around for much longer--it is interesting to hear their first hand stories while they are alive and can tell them.

7 posted on 08/06/2008 11:41:48 PM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (Men Who Died in Wars For Our Voting Rights Also Did So For The Right To Vote Indie-Conservative?)
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To: AmericanInTokyo

You should check out the Veterans’ History Project site:

http://www.loc.gov/vets///


8 posted on 08/06/2008 11:47:56 PM PDT by zipper
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To: SmithL

***During the moment of silence that followed, a woman in favor of nuclear weapons could be heard in the background, defiantly singing “Onward Christian Soldiers.”***

I pumped my fist when I read that sentence.


9 posted on 08/06/2008 11:57:17 PM PDT by wastedyears (Show me your precious darlings, and I will crush them all)
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To: wastedyears

> I pumped my fist when I read that sentence.

What does a Christian hymn about combatting spiritual wickedness in high places have to do with man’s wars on Earth?

The use of the atomic bomb on Japan was necessary to bring WWII to a screeching halt. That was a decision made by an Earthly government (Democrat, by the way) in order to protect its people, which is a perfectly valid thing for a government to do, according to Romans 13.

But it has nothing to do with Christianity.

“For we battle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.”
Ephesians 6:12


10 posted on 08/07/2008 2:35:16 AM PDT by Westbrook (Having more children does not divide your love, it multiplies it.)
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To: AmericanInTokyo; Jarhead2844; USMCWriter; 1stbn27; 2111USMC; 2nd Bn, 11th Mar; 68 grunt; ...
On a pleasure trip to Japan in the 70's, my father was attacked by an old man in a rural area. The old man was physically subdued by my father's friends and the tour guide.

The attack was prompted when the old man saw my father's Marine Corps ring.


11 posted on 08/07/2008 2:50:19 AM PDT by freema (MarineNiece,Daughter,Wife,Friend,Sister,Friend,Aunt,Friend,Mother,Friend,Cousin, FRiend)
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To: SmithL

By the latter stages of the war the Allies were practicing total war...just as the Axis powers had done from the start. Conventional bombing raids on Tokyo had already killed hundreds of thousands of Japanese civilians. There were no illusions, we wanted to end the most horrible of all wars as quickly as possible. Which we did.


12 posted on 08/07/2008 2:53:58 AM PDT by driftless2
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To: SmithL
Hiroshima Day brings contrasting reactions

How about:

WE WIN!

And a murderous regime is deposed.

13 posted on 08/07/2008 2:56:34 AM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: Caipirabob

Along those lines...

http://www.newsobserver.com/opinion/columns/story/1167657.html
You heard it here first: We won the war


14 posted on 08/07/2008 3:01:40 AM PDT by abb ("What ISN'T in the news is often more important than what IS." Ed Biersmith, 1942 -)
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To: driftless2

If we had to invade the Home Islands of Japan, we would have pretty much had to kill everybody in order to subdue them. I have a hard time seeing how the Bomb was the worse of those two options.


15 posted on 08/07/2008 3:13:43 AM PDT by gridlock (Barack Obama is the Sanjaya Malakar of American Politics...)
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To: bajabaja
Several years ago I was working on a "team" launching a new Ford product at a Michigan assembly plant. The product was Japanese engineered because we were trying to capture whatever it was they had that we didn't in engineering, expand our markets, and blah, blah, blah. Anyhow, several very talented young American engineers had been hired out of college (they're now all big shots at Ford, and I'm retired). They were all sent to Japan to meet the Jap engineering team and get a sense of the culture. One of them was waxing one day on the sadness one felt upon visiting the Hiroshima Memorial about the deaths of those "innocent" Japanese. I asked him if there was any mention there of the Pearl Harbor attack, the brutalities inflicted on Allied POWs or conquered civilians? When he said no, I said, "Then f#@k them". I received kudos from a couple of WWII vets working close by. They started it; we finished it.

On Saturday we will be attending the annual VJ Day commemoration in Hillman, Michigan, one of the few places its still recognized in the US.

16 posted on 08/07/2008 3:17:23 AM PDT by RushLake (Typical (and proud) White person.)
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To: SmithL

I wonder how many people who protest aginst our dropping of the atomic bombs on Japan would be here today if those bombs were not dropped.

I probably wouldn’t be here.

My Dad always stated that Truman saved his life by ordering the bombs dropped. He felt he would have been killed in the invasion of Japan. After fighting in France and Germany his infantry division was in the states training for the invasion of Japan.


17 posted on 08/07/2008 3:51:00 AM PDT by fredhead (4-cylinder, air cooled, horizontally opposed......THE REAL VW!!!)
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To: gridlock

You are correct. The casualties would have been very, very severe. I have seen casualty estimates in the range of 20,000,000 for Japanese civilians. This is partly because if the casualties for Americans reached very high numbers, their blood would be up and the war would assume an absolutely pitiless character. It would truly have degenerated into a “kill ‘em all and let God sort ‘em out” type of struggle. The remainder of the Japanese population would have been reduced to paupers in an utterly ruined country.

When someone argues that America could have conquered Japan without the use of the A-bombs, I point out the estimated Japanese casualties and ask them if they really wanted that many Japanese to die.


18 posted on 08/07/2008 3:54:25 AM PDT by 17th Miss Regt
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To: Dilbert San Diego
" ...in WW II, I just can’t get past the fact that Japan started that war."

WWII's start is linked to the German invasion of Poland.

19 posted on 08/07/2008 4:17:09 AM PDT by jamaksin
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To: jamaksin; Dilbert San Diego
" ...in WW II, I just can’t get past the fact that Japan started that war."

WWII's start is linked to the German invasion of Poland.


For the U.S., it was the attack of Japan on Pearl Harbor that started WWII.
20 posted on 08/07/2008 4:33:32 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: aruanan

Excepting that minor “dust-up” in the Atlantic prior to Pearl Harbor; remembering that the United States was a declared neutral country at the time and was openly violating the tenets of a neutral.


21 posted on 08/07/2008 5:43:32 AM PDT by jamaksin
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To: freema

quite a story


22 posted on 08/07/2008 5:43:52 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (Men Who Died in Wars For Our Voting Rights Also Did So For The Right To Vote Indie-Conservative?)
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To: RushLake

Excellent response.....I never heard my father say Japanese without putting the word damn in front of it.....


23 posted on 08/07/2008 6:20:15 AM PDT by Kimmers (Liberalism: Where fun goes to die)
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To: Kimmers

My Uncle was a WWII battleship servicemen who endured attacks at sea. I know to keep my MR2 Spyder out of his sight! (I just can’t afford a corvette yet...)


24 posted on 08/07/2008 6:46:22 AM PDT by LittleBillyInfidel (''Undocumented nukes want to do the job that American nukes won't do.'')
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To: fredhead

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Utilities/printer_preview.asp?idArticle=5894
Why Truman Dropped the Bomb
From the August 8, 2005 issue: Sixty years after Hiroshima, we now have the secret intercepts that shaped his decision.
by Richard B. Frank


25 posted on 08/07/2008 6:51:24 AM PDT by abb ("What ISN'T in the news is often more important than what IS." Ed Biersmith, 1942 -)
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To: Dilbert San Diego
"It was the ultimate shock and awe weapon back in 1945."

It was indeed! Since then we have improved them and have a whole lot more of them. We do have some experience in delivering these to places where they are needed, and I am sure we will not hesitate to do it again should the need arise again.

26 posted on 08/07/2008 8:45:16 AM PDT by An Old Man ("The limits of tyrants are prescribed by the endurance of those whom they suppress." Douglas)
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To: freema

Sad your dad had to go through that type encounter.


27 posted on 08/07/2008 4:20:09 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Duncan Hunter was our best choice...Now we are left with a bunch of idiots.)
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To: RushLake

Amazing how the navel-gazers in the US are so uni-dimensional. The only bad actor is the US. These people have never lived abroad, apart from a vacation compound at a sea-side resort. Nor have they read history. Even the recent stuff. Obama’s most recent comments show him to be of the same stripe.


28 posted on 08/07/2008 4:35:57 PM PDT by bajabaja
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To: AmericanInTokyo

The old man was selling hand carved whistles on top of a mountain and my dad wanted to buy one.

Gettin’ it all ‘live’ from Mom right now. She says the old man noticed the ring when the money changed hands. That’s when the attack happened. Kicking and fists flying. He had a white ‘bandana’s tied around his knees.

She says it happened so fast. At first they all stood there with jaws agape. They had no idea what prompted it, until the tour guides told them it was the ring.

They laughed about it for years and loved to tell the story.


29 posted on 08/08/2008 2:42:13 PM PDT by freema (MarineNiece,Daughter,Wife,Friend,Sister,Friend,Aunt,Friend,Mother,Friend,Cousin, FRiend)
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To: Marine_Uncle

See Post #28

It was way more sad, IMO, for the old man.

My uncle -having been at Iwo Jima- made this especially poignant.


30 posted on 08/08/2008 2:47:18 PM PDT by freema (MarineNiece,Daughter,Wife,Friend,Sister,Friend,Aunt,Friend,Mother,Friend,Cousin, FRiend)
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