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Obama starts hitting back, too softly for some (Empty-suits can't hit back)
MSNBC ^ | 8/6/2008 | Jonathan Weisman and Perry Bacon Jr.

Posted on 08/07/2008 7:06:37 AM PDT by tobyhill

Barack Obama released a television advertisement Wednesday that questions John McCain's claims to be a "maverick," and he charged in a campaign appearance that the Republican displays independence only when it suits him politically.

Obama aides said Democratic hand-wringing about polls showing that the presidential race remains tight had nothing to do with the volleys.

"We are not going to base our campaign on the concerns of so-called campaign strategists on cable TV," spokesman Bill Burton said.

(Excerpt) Read more at msnbc.msn.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: electionads; nobama08; obama

1 posted on 08/07/2008 7:06:37 AM PDT by tobyhill
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To: tobyhill

Maybe Jesse Jackson was able to cut him. :)


2 posted on 08/07/2008 7:09:03 AM PDT by BunnySlippers (I have already previewed or do not wish to preview this composition.)
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To: tobyhill

A little heat coming from both left and right, eh? The affirmative action candidate never expected a real contest - rather a coronation to celebrate his deserving the Presidency based on skin color.


3 posted on 08/07/2008 7:10:31 AM PDT by mgc1122
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To: mgc1122
The MSM is trying their darnest to keep giving him the free ride but it looks like McCain has found a way around the MSM firewall.
4 posted on 08/07/2008 7:12:23 AM PDT by tobyhill (fraud -noun;(1)deceit, trickery, sharp practice, or breach of confidence, (2) Obama)
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To: tobyhill
the Republican displays independence only when it suits him politically

Uh, what does that mean exactly? (That's my polite way of saying 'what the hell is this idiot talking about?').

5 posted on 08/07/2008 7:13:27 AM PDT by NurdlyPeon (New tag line in progress.)
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To: tobyhill
Seems like another bad attempt by Obama. People have watched John McCain fight against GWB and the GOP for years (unfortunately).

A thirty second commercial isn't going to erase all that from their memories.

6 posted on 08/07/2008 7:14:02 AM PDT by comebacknewt
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To: mgc1122
It seems like Hillary's chief weakness was that she thought she was inevitable and may not have planned sufficiently for a continued fight after Super Tuesday.

I'm thinking that one of Obama weaknesses (he has many) is that he thinks he is inevitable and is just shocked that anyone is trying to block his coronation -- especially some old white guy.

Arrogance is a major component of all Leftwing personalities.

7 posted on 08/07/2008 7:14:28 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Et si omnes ego non)
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To: tobyhill

An empty suit is an empty suit, regardless of the color of the suit.


8 posted on 08/07/2008 7:15:07 AM PDT by IrishMike (Obama stands for change. He wants to change the subject.)
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To: tobyhill

John McCain should run ads saying that Obama is afraid to debate him in town hall settings, because he’s afraid to take unscripted questions from the American people.


9 posted on 08/07/2008 7:16:38 AM PDT by mainerforglobalwarming
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To: tobyhill

Calling your opponent a dupe of big oil is just a love tap.


10 posted on 08/07/2008 7:19:58 AM PDT by DManA
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To: comebacknewt
It's also come to the realization of people that President Bush was mostly right on the energy policy that we need to drill and McCain's switch to that position sounds genuine whereas Obama’s sounds like the pandering it is.
The average person is paying $2500 more for gas per year than they were 2 years ago but Obama wants to hand out $1000 and it just isn't flying with the people because there's no solution that comes with it.
11 posted on 08/07/2008 7:20:43 AM PDT by tobyhill (fraud -noun;(1)deceit, trickery, sharp practice, or breach of confidence, (2) Obama)
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To: tobyhill

I’ve seen the ad. I thought it was for McCain until it said vote for Obuma at the end. These guys are morons.


12 posted on 08/07/2008 7:22:09 AM PDT by CyberSpartacus
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To: ClearCase_guy

the guy is definitely arrogant. The examples are endless.

Also, you can’t pin the guy down. Everyone knows he’s liberal and left wing, yet ask him if he is and he’ll deny it.


13 posted on 08/07/2008 7:23:14 AM PDT by nikos1121 (The first black president of the US should be at least a "Jackie Robinson.")
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To: tobyhill

Really? I thought it was the msm that dubbed McCain “maverick”.


14 posted on 08/07/2008 7:23:56 AM PDT by reformed_dem (libs should think of executions as just late, late, late, late term abortions)
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To: tobyhill
How Obama is reacting is a window into how he'll address threats against the U.S.:

whining, pouting, stern looks, alleged "self-deprecating" humor, etc.

Being a momma's BOY, he'll never be able to fight like a man.

15 posted on 08/07/2008 7:24:40 AM PDT by kromike
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To: tobyhill
More DBM bullsh•t.

NObama will go on vacation next week... and the in-the-tank-media will be right there along side of him throwing the softball questions. And if anyone gives him REAL questions... he'll simply state he's on vacation and will end the discussion. This will end up like his European tour... all flotsam... and a respite from his recent drop in the polls.

16 posted on 08/07/2008 7:24:43 AM PDT by johnny7 ("Duck I says... ")
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To: CyberSpartacus

hahahahaha


17 posted on 08/07/2008 7:25:51 AM PDT by nikos1121 (The first black president of the US should be at least a "Jackie Robinson.")
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To: CyberSpartacus
Obama’s team seems to think that President Bush's low poll ratings are from Democrats but the fact about it is it's mostly Conservatives that have been left with a bad taste in their mouth concerning the never-ending spending and Immigration, the same issues that hurts Obama and McCain. The problem for Obama is that the Conservatives aren't going to switch to him and will once again have to take a chance with McCain.
18 posted on 08/07/2008 7:28:22 AM PDT by tobyhill (fraud -noun;(1)deceit, trickery, sharp practice, or breach of confidence, (2) Obama)
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To: tobyhill

19 posted on 08/07/2008 7:29:22 AM PDT by MichaelAsher54
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To: tobyhill

I’m reading Corsi’s book, actually listening to him read it, and it’s great. I can’t wait to get up in the morning to listen to it in the car on the way to work.

Where Kerry’s Unfit for Command was mainly the Swift Boat thing, this comes at you from several angles.

This guy is not just an empty suit. His manager Axelrod knows this, and therefore has run a campaign based on the guy’s persona. His personality, his image etc. IT will NOT be run on issues, therefore, he will NOT let his candidate debate McCain one on one...

But even in the arena of image, Obama is appearing like a wimp.

He bowls a 40, he rides a bike with a dopy helmet going 2 MPH, he brags that he can lift 70lb bar bells, which he can’t do, in fact very few can do.


20 posted on 08/07/2008 7:29:43 AM PDT by nikos1121 (The first black president of the US should be at least a "Jackie Robinson.")
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To: reformed_dem
The MSM dumped McCain for the Empty-suit Obama so to them he has to give up his “Maverick” title.
21 posted on 08/07/2008 7:30:15 AM PDT by tobyhill (fraud -noun;(1)deceit, trickery, sharp practice, or breach of confidence, (2) Obama)
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To: tobyhill

Is Maverick code for skinny or is it cowboy?

I remember there was a tv show once called Maverick...


22 posted on 08/07/2008 7:33:39 AM PDT by weegee (Hi there.)
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To: MichaelAsher54

The ObamOne.


23 posted on 08/07/2008 7:34:05 AM PDT by weegee (Hi there.)
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To: mainerforglobalwarming
John McCain should run ads saying that Obama is afraid to debate him in town hall settings, because he’s afraid to take unscripted questions from the American people.

Exactly play the clip of Obambi saying that McCain won't debate the issues and show the date, then play McCain's EARLIER offer for 10 town hall debates and show clips of Obama's SOLO town hall meetings where he could put words into McCain's mouth about how Obama doesn't "look" like the other presidents on our money. Obama is the one who won't debate.

24 posted on 08/07/2008 7:36:19 AM PDT by weegee (Hi there.)
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To: tobyhill
And more ads may not help, according to a Pew Research Center poll released yesterday. Nearly half of respondents -- including 51 percent of independents -- said they have been hearing too much about Obama lately, and 22 percent said all that news has made them feel less favorable toward him.

More AD spending by Obama will turn off people. The guy's "all hat and no cattle".


25 posted on 08/07/2008 7:39:38 AM PDT by Donald Rumsfeld Fan
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To: weegee
Obama has shown himself to be a complete joke. The media can't even hide it anymore. All the polls right now, have it even. By the end of the presidential debates, McCain will have a ten point lead. Forget about losing Ohio, McCain will pick up PA, Michigan, Wisconsin, Conn, NH. Maybe Washington and NJ, yes even New Jersey. Obama is a complete idiot and all the conspiracy talk of Hillary planning a comeback doesn't seem so crazy right now.
26 posted on 08/07/2008 7:40:46 AM PDT by mainerforglobalwarming
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To: mainerforglobalwarming

Exactly!


27 posted on 08/07/2008 7:41:13 AM PDT by Pessimist
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To: Pessimist

If I’m McCain I tell the nation today we’re not going to debate using the traditional ways, using scripted questions from the media. We’re going to go town to town, and take questions directly from the American people. Unscripted unrehearsed. That is the way it should be. And if Obama refuses to deal directly with the American people he isn’t fit to be commander and chief.


28 posted on 08/07/2008 7:44:38 AM PDT by mainerforglobalwarming
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To: tobyhill
Obama wants to talk a lot about his skin color. But the real problem with Obama is that he has thin skin. His alleged soaring rhetoric is really just balmy Left Wing platitudes; it's academic pish posh, frothy, and spoony, the type of claptrap that Lefties swoon over, like girls in the 7th grade. His adoring press calls his every word “memorable,” yet who rememmbers a word of it?
29 posted on 08/07/2008 7:49:37 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (Obama: vain, mercurial, inexperienced, aloof, condescending, doctrinaire, and Reverend Wright's son.)
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To: mainerforglobalwarming

Except the audiences of those events are screened and the audiences are packed with Democrat staffers and liberal activists (not just people who have concerns about those issues but who are actively employed pushing a position).

They should at least disclose their credentials (like when someone at a press conference IDs his paper).

Remember the Democrats who flooded the questions at the GOP primary debates? They weren’t “undecided” Republicans at all.

A rigged debate is a rigged election.


30 posted on 08/07/2008 7:54:28 AM PDT by weegee (Hi there.)
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To: elhombrelibre

I remember that he says um and uh a lot.


31 posted on 08/07/2008 7:55:10 AM PDT by weegee (Hi there.)
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To: weegee

You’re right. But to allow the press to ask the questions is like giving Obama 90 minutes of free ad time. I think the best way is to hold the debated in a town hall setting. Or at a sporting event, say a couple of hours before a NASCAR event or an NFL game. Then you’ll be sure to get an audiance of everyday Americans.


32 posted on 08/07/2008 7:58:06 AM PDT by mainerforglobalwarming
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To: mainerforglobalwarming

How about a debate where they ask each other questions?


33 posted on 08/07/2008 8:00:43 AM PDT by norcal joe
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To: mainerforglobalwarming

And think how much fun it would be to hold a debate at a NASCAR setting, John McCain standing alone at a podium asking where’s Obama, where’s the Choosen one? He’s certainly not up to answering you questions but I am.


34 posted on 08/07/2008 8:00:49 AM PDT by mainerforglobalwarming
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To: norcal joe

Do you really think Obama is smart enough to come up with his own questions? I actually believe he is quiet dumb so, okay that’s fine with me.


35 posted on 08/07/2008 8:02:04 AM PDT by mainerforglobalwarming
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To: mainerforglobalwarming

He’s not quiet dumb, or is he?


36 posted on 08/07/2008 8:04:02 AM PDT by mainerforglobalwarming
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To: tobyhill

Obama’s charm is wearing thin very fast. He’s so airy he may just float away.


37 posted on 08/07/2008 8:06:39 AM PDT by Malesherbes
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To: IrishMike
An empty suit is an empty suit, regardless of the color of the suit.

Obama is a living contradiction. How can he be an empty suit, yet be so full of sh!t?

38 posted on 08/07/2008 8:08:19 AM PDT by doc30 (Democrats are to morals what an Etch-A-Sketch is to Art.)
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To: ClearCase_guy
Arrogance is a major component of all Leftwing personalities.

Arrogance is a REQUIREMENT for leftwing ideology.

You have to believe you're wiser than anyone who ever lived - because you support policies that have historically failed (must have been tried by idiots), and denigrate policies that have historically succeeded (traditional values).

Further, rejection of Biblical Truth implies greater wisdom than the Creator Himself.

39 posted on 08/07/2008 8:10:19 AM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: mainerforglobalwarming

It isn’t a matter of the press asking the questions. It is a matter of WHICH members of the press and editorial pages are permitted to ask the questions.

Each party should be permitted to empanel the debate, just as lawyers get to select the jury.

With both parties getting some approval on the talking heads, it would probably eliminate the Rush Limbaughs and Michael Moores from the debate (but would they have dared to block a Buckley?). The public would be as interested in hearing who the campaign/party blocked as who they selected.

But as it stands, with the media in the tank for Obama and clearly lobbing different questions at different candidates, it is fixed.

Ask BOTH candidates the same questions (or all candidates in a 5 candidate primary). Put them in a “sound proof booth (or remote studio)” so that they first give their OWN answers to the questions and THEN permit them to respond to the other candidate’s answer.

Our current debate and primary process is bunk and junk and needs to change. The public has little influence and the media has a lot. The media is not impartial in who is selected. This puts the power of the selection of next president in the hands of a select few who have an agenda.


40 posted on 08/07/2008 8:17:09 AM PDT by weegee (Hi there.)
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To: doc30
Obama is a living contradiction. How can he be an empty suit, yet be so full of sh!t?

Definitely the post of the day. :-)

41 posted on 08/07/2008 8:22:39 AM PDT by NurdlyPeon (New tag line in progress.)
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To: IrishMike
Naa, it's those scrawny arms of his. No muscle to punch with.
42 posted on 08/07/2008 8:26:44 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: nikos1121
This guy is not just an empty suit. His manager Axelrod knows this, and therefore has run a campaign based on the guy’s persona. His personality, his image etc. IT will NOT be run on issues, therefore, he will NOT let his candidate debate McCain one on one...

Just speculating... Perhaps McCain is waiting until after BHO is officially nominated to run on issues and hard facts. Now he is attacking Obama's persona and causing the diehard Dims to rally to BHO's defense. If McCain's campaign is too good too early he will be running against Hillary.

43 posted on 08/07/2008 8:29:31 AM PDT by Poincare
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To: weegee
Yes, that's when he isn't reading prepared text or making some canned quotes.
44 posted on 08/07/2008 8:31:58 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (Obama: vain, mercurial, inexperienced, aloof, condescending, doctrinaire, and Reverend Wright's son.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

That also explains why ‘he ain’t got game’ !


45 posted on 08/07/2008 8:32:23 AM PDT by IrishMike (Obama stands for change. He wants to change the subject.)
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To: weegee; mainerforglobalwarming

Excellent point, weegee.

Your idea is good in principle, mainer, and I wish we lived in a world where such a thing could happen. The problem is that the left would use guerilla tactics to game the audience selection process. If the audience wasn’t screened, you’d get an audience full of trained professional DNC operatives, essentially actors, who would turn the thing (with the MSM broadcasting the debate, which would cooperate with the DNC in every possible respect) into a total show, an absolute farce. Obama would come out smelling like a rose, and McCain would be made to look like an absolute fool.

Any attempt to screen out the shills, provocateurs, and professional trouble-makers would result in protests and lawsuits. The whole process would end up stalled in litigation, and the networks would refuse to cover it because they “question the audience screening process.”

I wish it were otherwise.


46 posted on 08/07/2008 8:40:16 AM PDT by Steely Tom (Without the second, the rest are just politicians' BS.)
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To: tobyhill

Nothing like a limp-wristed left jab!


47 posted on 08/07/2008 8:55:20 AM PDT by Redleg Duke ("All gave some, and some gave all!")
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To: Poincare

I think you’re right. I’m also thinking that all the stuff out there regarding the guy’s birth certificate...his law degree, his associations etc. McCain is waiting until after the nomination to hit on this, esp if Hillary is gearing up, which it sounds like she might be...


48 posted on 08/07/2008 9:00:38 AM PDT by nikos1121 (The first black president of the US should be at least a "Jackie Robinson.")
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To: weegee
I agree with your analysis.
49 posted on 08/08/2008 9:01:45 AM PDT by mainerforglobalwarming
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To: Steely Tom

But you know McCain would never come to free republic and answer our questions so maybe conservatives are in a no win situation period this time around.


50 posted on 08/08/2008 9:03:24 AM PDT by mainerforglobalwarming
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