"Barack Obama is not legally a US natural-born citizen"

http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/4375 ^

[Raycpa]

So i take it you are retreating on the legal front again? Good, the authors argument on this thread is total nonsense.

[JoeA]

What’s the story about Jerry Brown being unqualified to run? This is the first I’ve heard of this.

[fanfan]

To whom, if to anyone,would Osama be required to show his birth certificate?

LOL! Osama?

Obama, must qualify to be on the ballot in each state, from what I understand, and each state could demand a birth certificate.

[usmcobra]

Of Course not I still believe that legally Obama's citizenship is at best questionable enough so that it should be debated to the Nth Degree....

there are just so many different things to consider for instance....

Many people think that if you are born on American Soil you must be an American Citizen, and in theory that is true.

However, if one of your parents is not an American Citizen, usually your father, and if that parent Registers you as a National of their country and if that country does not recognize the concept of Dual Citizenship/Nationality you are not an American unless you become Naturalized.

The Nationality of your American Parent and your place of Birth are not relevant, the Law of the other Country takes precedence under The Master Nationality Rule of Article 4 of the Hague Convention of 1930.~~~~~~

If Kenya does not recognize Dual Nationality, Senator Obama is a Kenyan and has been since he was two years old. Prior to that he would have been a British Subject.

If his mother gave up her US Citizenship, and if he was Adopted by her Second Husband, and if Indonesia does not Recognize the Concept of Dual Nationality, Senator Obama is an Indonesian.

In neither case does his Place of Birth or his mothers Nationality have any legal Consequence whatsoever because the USA accepts the existence of Dual Nationality only if the other country does.

Hague Conventions are applied by the USA and this has been US Law since before 1930 (see:Memorandum on Nationality, including Statelessness: Document A/CN.4/67, Prepared by Ivan S Kerno, International Law Commission, United Nations General Assembly, 6th April 1953.)

Link Here

[Raycpa]

I know because when I got my working papers at 16, she brought the book with her that contained the birth certificate. She thought it was funny. I guess its possible the state accepted the hospital version. I thought it was embarrassing to have my first hair taped to the same page and if I had known how to obtain my own certified copy I would have.

In any case, when our children were born in CT we received copies of the birth certificate a few weeks later. I believe it was done as a matter or course or the hospital gave us the form to request it when we filled out the information.

[Raycpa]

Of Course not I still believe that legally Obama's citizenship is at best questionable enough so that it should be debated to the Nth Degree..

What is your position on the moon landing? Just curious.

[Spunky]

"A sample of the rules from the state of Maine for accepting a delayed birth registration (I could not locate Hawaii"

I read about this and a "Delayed Birth Registration" has to do with those of an age when birth certificates were not always made out. My father who passed at 95 recently had what is called a delayed BC and a relative of his had to swear to all the information being correct.

In Hawaii they also gave all those who were born before it became a state a chance to get a "Delayed BC."

[varon]

You see, that;s the problem. Obamessiah doesn’t have a birth certificate.

I don't think Obama's birth certificate is the issue. In issue is his mother's because if she wasn't 21 at time of his birth, then Obama was not automatically a US citizen

[usmcobra]

The Nazis beat us there by 25 years at least.

[Raycpa]

4 days is not much of a delay.

However, if there is any interest in this case, it should be to discover why the filing failed to be accepted.

[fanfan]

I have managed to get by with certified copies from the town I was born in.

Some of the first hints about the COLB, were the lack of a raised seal, the blocked out certificate #, and the lack of fold marks.

Mailing it in a FedEx mailer could explain the lack of fold marks, but how can you explain the rest?

Obama knows his COLB is causing a problem for him, but he won't simply put it to rest. Why not?

Even Slick Willy couldn't have pulled off this kind of scandal. Even he, would just produce the real Birth Certificate, and moved on...unless he had something to hide.

[Raycpa]

In issue is his mother's because if she wasn't 21 at time of his birth, then Obama was not automatically a US citizen

If O'Bama was born in the US and his mother was 8 years old he would be a natural born citizen. Heck, if he had no mother and was born here he would be a citizen.

[usmcobra]

What if it was more than four days, what if the date of his birth was totally wrong to begin with and that was the day he returned to the United States from elsewhere?

[Raycpa]

What was posted is simply a certification that has some of the vital information contained in the original certificate of live birth. Whatever format it is reproduced in, the information necessary to corroborate is not contained in it. Even assuming that the conspiracy theorists were fully satisfied about this document, and it was folded, stamped and had fingerprints of the person preparing it, it is not evidence of the birth. It is evidence that there is evidence of the birth.

The actual evidence of the birth is provided in a “certificate” of live birth, not a “certification” of live birth. A sample can be found here:

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/dvs/birth11-03final-ACC.pdf

IOW, all of these analysis are a waste of time because even proving they are fraudulent proves nothing about his actual place of birth.

Lets say tomorrow someone produces a document that has the seal and the number and folds for a number 10 envelope. All of these folks would then accept it and move on. However, they would leave the question on the table of whether the evidence used to prepare the certificate could be false.

[Spunky]

INA: ACT 301 - NATIONALS AND CITIZENS OF THE UNITED STATES AT BIRTH

Sec. 301. [8 U.S.C. 1401] The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth:

(a) a person born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof;

(b) a person born in the United States to a member of an Indian, Eskimo, Aleutian, or other aboriginal tribe: Provided, That the granting of citizenship under this subsection shall not in any manner impair or otherwise affect the right of such person to tribal or other property;

(c) a person born outside of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents both of whom are citizens of the United States and one of whom has had a residence in the United States or one of its outlying possessions, prior to the birth of such person;

(d) a person born outside of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is a citizen of the United States who has been physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year prior to the birth of such person, and the other of whom is a national, but not a citizen of the United States;

(e) a person born in an outlying possession of the United States of parents one of whom is a citizen of the United States who has been physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year at any time prior to the birth of such person;

(f) a person of unknown parentage found in the United States while under the age of five years, until shown, prior to his attaining the age of twenty-one years, not to have been born in the United States;

Here is the paragraph you quoted but you left out the part that ACTUALLY APPLIES to this law.

(g) a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than five years, at least two of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years: Provided, That any periods of honorable service in the Armed Forces of the United States, or periods of employment with the United States Government or with an international organization as that term is defined in section 1 of the International Organizations Immunities Act (59 Stat. 669; 22 U.S.C. 288) by such citizen parent, or any periods during which such citizen parent is physically present abroad as the dependent unmarried son or daughter and a member of the household of a person (A) honorably serving with the Armed Forces of the United States, or (B) employed by the United States Government or an international organization as defined in section 1 of the International Organizations Immunities Act, may be included in order to satisfy the physical-presence requirement of this paragraph. This proviso shall be applicable to persons born on or after December 24, 1952, to the same extent as if it had become effective in its present form on that date; and

This law applied IF you were in the Military, employed by the U.S. Government,or with an International organization. This has all been discussed on the thread that is nearing 5000 postings now. You might want to go there and check it out.

(h) a person born before noon (Eastern Standard Time) May 24, 1934, outside the limits and jurisdiction of the United States of an alien father and a mother who is a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, had resided in the United States. 302 persons born in Puerto Rico on or after April 11, 1899

[Raycpa]

What if he is the 12th Imam and his mother found him in a cave in Hawaii?

http://www.central-mosque.com/signs/ImamMahdi.htm

the Shia beliefs concerning Imam Mahdi are recorded as follows:

* The Shias believe in twelve Imams, the first being Hazrat Ali (radhiyallahu anhu) and the last being Imam Mahdi.
* When Imam Mahdi was a child, he fled from his enemies and went to hide in a cave in the city of Samarra, Iraq. He is still hiding in that cave till this very day.

[Raycpa]

One doesn’t need to read past (a) to see that O’bama’s birth mother has nothing to do with his status as a citizen.

The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth:

(a) a person born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof;

[GAB-1955]

I assume that Senator Obama has provided these documents to the Federal Election Commission; however, we don’t have the same right to demand these documents because we aren’t the electoral officials. I would suspect should be become President-elect, then we have standing to challenge his eligibility for the Presidency.

[Be Free]

We all might be overlooking the obvious:

Remember, BHO has a lot of former Clintonites running his campaign’s war-room. One of the favorite tactics of the Clinton’s was the preemptive strike. Later, when an issue was raised, it was discounted out-of-hand as “old news”, and “we’ve been through all that before”.

This story was likely a planted story by the BHO campaign, with just enough detail to be interesting, but having a technical aspect that lets them later prove it as the false rantings of: (a) right-wing kooks, or (b) Hillary & Co.

Then, when the real issue of whether he was really born in Hawaii comes out, and his inability to produce a genuine COLB, they’ll say “there they go again”, “same song different verse”, or “we’ve already addressed this nonsense”. The media will understand their instructions, and move on.

This is intended only as a diversionary tactic, and designed to ultimately insulate BHO from the real issue.

[fanfan]

Even assuming that the conspiracy theorists were fully satisfied about this document, and it was folded, stamped and had fingerprints of the person preparing it, it is not evidence of the birth. It is evidence that there is evidence of the birth.

Getting at least that much from Obama would be better than what you have now, if you ask me.