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Russia seizes Georgia base, opens second front

Posted on 08/11/2008 8:16:28 AM PDT by Jeff Head

TBILISI, Georgia — Russia opened a second front of fighting in Georgia on Monday, sending armored vehicles beyond two breakaway provinces and seizing a military base and police stations in the country's west, the Georgian government and a Russian official said.



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TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: caucasus; energy; geopolitics; georgia; georgianconflict; russia; russianinvasion; southossetia; war
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To: DoughtyOne

Unfortunately, Georgia isn’t the place for that...

I think it’s gonna get MIGHTY COLD in Europe this winter.

141 posted on 08/11/2008 9:20:31 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Beware Of False Prophets/ME-ssiahs Selling Hopium....)
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To: autumnraine
Given the way this situation is proceeding it looks like a huge defeat for Georgia, freedom and Pres. Bush. I hope there's a better outcome but right now I don't see one short of direct U.S. intervention. And in the next 10 mins. or it may be to late.
142 posted on 08/11/2008 9:20:57 AM PDT by McGruff (Georgia = friend. Russia = enemy.)
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To: maquiladora

well if the Georgian military parks its behind in the middle of Tlbisi square . . . are the Russians going to shell the capital . . .

at this point, i’m not ready to form an opinion as to the Russians intentions . . . you may be right, but i think they want to install a pupet govt in there

143 posted on 08/11/2008 9:21:36 AM PDT by jhpigott
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To: DoughtyOne
He is only in for a big surprise if we actually surprise him.

IMHO. we need to force his hand. Send in the Georgian Iraq troops on our transports...escort those transports with Raptors...and then turn it into a 24X7 air lift, with US a growing US CAP, and dare the Putin to do anything about it as the Georgian troops, with our material, begin to decimate his armor formations.

144 posted on 08/11/2008 9:21:54 AM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be. (
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To: Michael Barnes
Ok,, a bit over acting, but ? how about the Ukraine ?
Do they still have nukes ? .. would Russia dare to take the Ukraine also ?
145 posted on 08/11/2008 9:22:16 AM PDT by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM .53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart, there is no GOD.)
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To: tcrlaf

Well, I was dead set against Europe setting itself up like this, but they considered themselves smarter than everyone else. We’ll see how it plays out. You very well could be right. All the more reason to kick Poopin’s ass all the way back to the Russian border.

146 posted on 08/11/2008 9:23:17 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (We're a non Soros non lefitst supporting maverick Gang of 2, who won't be voting for McCain.)
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To: Jeff Head

For once, I agree with you.

147 posted on 08/11/2008 9:23:21 AM PDT by VaBthang4 ("He Who Watches Over Israel Will Neither Slumber Nor Sleep")
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To: Jeff Head

These are quickly becoming “Interesting times”.

It’s dangerous for the US to act...but perhaps vastly more dangerous not to act.

I suggest sending an unmistakable signal...and killing 2 birds with one stone.

A massive attack on all Iranian underground nuclear research sites using nuclear bunker busters. There would be no significant radioactive contamination and the whole world would quake as the news broke. Follow up with the greatest shock and awe conventional attack of all time on Iranian infrastructure...have no mercy, leave them in the dark ages. Take control of their oil fields to ensure their safety. Rebuild Iran on their own dime...this time actually use their oil revenue to rebuild...not US taxpayers money. Unleash Israel, tell them it is time to clean out all the trash.

Raise the Defcon level just prior to the attack on Iran...the Russians would know immediately...the sweat would pour in Moscow.

Supply Georgia with an enormous supply of anti-aircraft munitions, cluster weapons, millions of mines of all types and real-time surveillance of all Russian forces. It would be nice if there were some F22 trained Georgian pilots. Tell the Nato countries to admit Ukrain and Georgia (minus the 2 breakaway areas) immediately or the US will withdraw from the alliance and leave them to their own fates.

We would not be in this mess if we had not made an ass of ourselves over Kosovo :-( The legacy of the Clintons lives on..and was made worse by Bush’s recognition of Kosovo. And if not for Carter, Iran would be a US ally instead of what it is now.

We are in a position now where inaction will cause every despot on the planet to lose fear of US power...and a world without US power would be a frightening place to live.

Taking action will cause great economic hardship...but there are things far worse than being hit in the pocketbook.

We need a Churchill in times like these....I like to read Churchill in bad times.

Winston Churchill quotes.

“One ought never to turn one’s back on a threatened danger and try to run away from it. If you do that, you will double the danger. But if you meet it promptly and without flinching, you will reduce the danger by half. Never run away from anything. Never! “

“Courage is rightly esteemed the first of human qualities... because it is the quality which guarantees all others. “

“I never worry about action, but only about inaction. “

“If Hitler invaded hell I would make at least a favorable reference to the devil in the House of Commons. “

“If you have an important point to make, don’t try to be subtle or clever. Use a pile driver. Hit the point once. Then come back and hit it again. Then hit it a third time-a tremendous whack. “

“In war as in life, it is often necessary when some cherished scheme has failed, to take up the best alternative open, and if so, it is folly not to work for it with all your might. “

“It is no use saying, ‘We are doing our best.’ You have got to succeed in doing what is necessary. “

“Nothing in life is so exhilarating as to be shot at without result. “

“Russia is a riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma. “

“Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery. “

“Some people regard private enterprise as a predatory tiger to be shot. Others look on it as a cow they can milk. Not enough people see it as a healthy horse, pulling a sturdy wagon. “

“The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter. “

“The first quality that is needed is audacity. “

“The power of an air force is terrific when there is nothing to oppose it. “

“You can always count on Americans to do the right thing - after they’ve tried everything else. “

And here is a good quote to go along with my overly long post.

“The length of this document defends it well against the risk of its being read. “

148 posted on 08/11/2008 9:23:35 AM PDT by Bobalu (If you don't want people pointing out your flaws, maybe you should work on not having any)
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To: commonguymd
And to think we, and our press gave any credence to what Russia said about our efforts in Iraq and Afghanistan. They haven’t changed one bit, and intend to rebuild their empire.

No one in his right mind turns their back on the Russian bear. While he should play the bear along and give him his due, one should never believe the bear shares the same values of Western liberalism that we breathe like air. When Bush first met Putin and said he had looked into Putin's eyes and said, "I was able to get a sense of his soul, a man deeply committed to his country and the best interests of his country," I knew he was a half-wit.

149 posted on 08/11/2008 9:23:40 AM PDT by E. Cartman (Would you want your surgeon graduating at the bottom 1% of his class?)
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To: Brian S. Fitzgerald
"..."Russian peacekeepers and support units are carrying out an operation aimed at... preventing Georgian forces from regrouping to carry new attacks on South Ossetia," a ministry spokesman said.

When did they start calling Russia's military "peacekeepers"?

Thanks for the report/article

150 posted on 08/11/2008 9:24:12 AM PDT by Mo1
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To: Jeff Head

Excerpt of a letter from Chamberlin to King George VI dated 9/13/38.

“The continued state of tension in Europe which has caused such grave concern throughout the world has in no way been relieved, and in some ways been aggravated by the speech delivered at Nuremberg last night by Herr Hitler. Your Majesty’s Ministers are examining the position in the light of his speech, and with the firm desire to ensure, if this is at all possible, that peace may be restored.

On the one hand, reports are daily received in great numbers, not only from official sources but from all manner of individuals who claim to have special and unchangeable sources of information. Many of these (and of such authority as to make it impossible to dismiss them as unworthy of attention) declare positively that Herr Hitler has made up his mind to attack Czechoslovakia and then to proceed further East. He is convinced that the operation can be effected so rapidly that it will be all over before France or Great Britain could move.

On the other hand, Your Majesty’s representative in Berlin has steadily maintained that Herr Hitler has not yet made up his mind to violence. He means to have a solution soon - this month - and if that solution, which must be satisfactory to himself, can be obtained peacefully, well and good. If not, he is ready to march.

In these circumstances I have been considering the possibility of a sudden and dramatic step which might change the whole situation. The plan is that I should inform Herr Hitler that I propose at once to go over to Germany to see him. If he assents, and it would be difficult for him to refuse, I should hope to persuade him that he had an unequalled opportunity of raising his own prestige and fulfilling what he has so often declared to be his aim, namely the establishment of an Anglo-German understanding, preceded by a settlement of the Czechoslovakian question.”


In hindsight it appeats Herr Hitler wasn’t too impressed with Chamberlin’s concept of prestige and Anglo_German understanding, at least on Britains’s terms.

151 posted on 08/11/2008 9:24:20 AM PDT by bereanway
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To: MontanaMatt

They made it clear when they told Condi Rice that they wanted Saakashvili out.

152 posted on 08/11/2008 9:24:52 AM PDT by autumnraine
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To: ChinaThreat
"While we are indeed friends with Georgia, it is ridiculous though to think we should get involved in a direct war with Russia over this. I do think we should provide them with intelligence and as much equipment as possible."

I couldn't disagree more.

Going to war over rebellious regions is one thing. Going to war over a strong ally in the WOT and a key oil exporter that keeps Russia from dictating foreign policy to Europe with its oil is another. Georgia is key to our European allies independence from Russia and to our credibility in the world.

If Russia has invaded Georgia proper, Bush should return from the Olympics now, and we should moving forces and equipment into Georgia ASAP.

If true, this is starting to look like one of those reading to kindergartner dear in the headlight moments. He needs someone to take him by that hand and tell him what this means.

153 posted on 08/11/2008 9:25:10 AM PDT by elfman2 ( - Reasoning CONSERVATIVES without the kooks.)
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To: Jeff Head; gusopol3; NormsRevenge; thackney; BOBTHENAILER; Grampa Dave; SierraWasp; blam; ...
BBC Report:

Russians advance in west Georgia

154 posted on 08/11/2008 9:25:28 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: Jeff Head

I don’t believe Georgian troops can hold the nation, even with ample supplies. Is it your thought that they can?

This would take our air support IMO.

155 posted on 08/11/2008 9:26:23 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (We're a non Soros non lefitst supporting maverick Gang of 2, who won't be voting for McCain.)
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To: Jeff Head

Just how does this affect Soros since Saakashvili is his man?

156 posted on 08/11/2008 9:26:31 AM PDT by Current Occupant (IF we can't drill our way out of this, then we will not survive as a NATION!!!!!)
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To: Mr Rogers
Bush ends Asian trip after taking in some Olympics
157 posted on 08/11/2008 9:27:10 AM PDT by Girlene
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To: E. Cartman
"...I knew he was a half-wit."

That cemented my opinion of the President as well...has anyone heard McCain's thoughts on this deteriorating situation?...magritte
158 posted on 08/11/2008 9:27:36 AM PDT by magritte (If a problem comes along, you must whip it.)
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To: McGruff

“Why he picked this time to try and reclaim that city is a mystery to me.”

Recent moves by S. Ossetia’s Russian Mobster-run leaders forced his hand, I think...

And the feeling they had to close the Roki Tunnel (THE major Strategic Chokepoint of the area) before the Russians made thier move.

159 posted on 08/11/2008 9:27:48 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Beware Of False Prophets/ME-ssiahs Selling Hopium....)
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To: Jeff Head
They will do more than attempt to quell a guerrilla war, hell they killed all the new Russian citizens in SO with artillery. Moscow will kill all the Georgians that don't escape so that the question of sovereignty never arises again.
160 posted on 08/11/2008 9:28:14 AM PDT by Camel Joe (liberal=socialist=royalist/imperialist pawn=enemy of Freedom)
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