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Russia seizes Georgia base, opens second front
AP ^ | Aug 11, 2008 | MISHA DZHINDZHIKHASHVILI

Posted on 08/11/2008 8:16:28 AM PDT by Jeff Head

TBILISI, Georgia — Russia opened a second front of fighting in Georgia on Monday, sending armored vehicles beyond two breakaway provinces and seizing a military base and police stations in the country's west, the Georgian government and a Russian official said.

GEORGIAN FORCES

RUSSIAN FORCES


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TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: caucasus; energy; geopolitics; georgia; georgianconflict; russia; russianinvasion; southossetia; war
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Russian widens the war and enters Georgia proper. Also flanking in from the coast where they have made amphibious lanings.
1 posted on 08/11/2008 8:16:28 AM PDT by Jeff Head
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To: Jeff Head

My guess is that Georgia is pretty much finished.


2 posted on 08/11/2008 8:19:40 AM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner ("We must not forget that there is a war on and our troops are in the thick of it!"--Duncan Hunter)
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To: El Gato; wardaddy; spetznaz; SolidWood; Travis McGee

FYI...Russia continuing to escalate and drive deeper.


3 posted on 08/11/2008 8:21:55 AM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: Jeff Head
Time to grant Georgia full NATO membership.Today! Filthy,worthless knuckledragging Soviets!!!!!!!
4 posted on 08/11/2008 8:22:13 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Obama:"Ich bin ein beginner")
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner

And Bush’s statement to them in 2005, in a speech applauded by thousands of Georgian’s that America would stand with them was just crap.

I’m dissapointed in this. Regardless of what happened in South Ossetia, this is uncalled for.


5 posted on 08/11/2008 8:22:56 AM PDT by autumnraine
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To: Jeff Head

Danzig revisited?


6 posted on 08/11/2008 8:23:16 AM PDT by ex-snook (prapawadee jaroenrattamatarakoon)
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To: Jeff Head
It doesn't look good for the home team right now. I hope there's something significant going on behind the scenes but I'm not optimistic. Pretty soon it may too late.
7 posted on 08/11/2008 8:23:16 AM PDT by McGruff (Georgia = friend. Russia = enemy.)
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner

Unfortunately I don’t see any other possible outcome.


8 posted on 08/11/2008 8:23:52 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Voting Conservative isn't for the faint of heart.)
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To: Jeff Head

Are these fotos of Georgians or Soviets -— I mean Russians? The two soldiers on the tank look Russian.

God save Georgia.


9 posted on 08/11/2008 8:24:17 AM PDT by squarebarb
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To: Jeff Head
Putin just may have have done more for US/European relations than any person since Ronald Reagan.
10 posted on 08/11/2008 8:24:56 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (There are people in power with desire for evil.)
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To: Jeff Head

I understand they have entered Senaki.


11 posted on 08/11/2008 8:25:22 AM PDT by eastforker (Get-R-Done and then Bring-Em- Home)
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To: Jeff Head
So much for it just being about taking care of ethnic cleansing. They are making a full court press now.
12 posted on 08/11/2008 8:26:04 AM PDT by Centurion2000 (A citizen using a weapon to shoot a criminal is the ultimate act of independence from government.)
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To: Gay State Conservative

The Russian Deputy minister was smiling on CNN telling the reporter that Georgia is an American satellite and it will pay for that.The Russian’s he said will not agree to a cease fire.
Smiling the whole time he said the Georgia counted on our iad , and that they would not get it.


13 posted on 08/11/2008 8:26:14 AM PDT by redstateconfidential (h)
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner
I believe if enough nations make it clear that Russia is going to hurt over this...hurt their locally as Javelins and other material take there toll, and then later in guerilla actions...hurt economically as the US, Western Europe, and Eastern Europe (which would flock to us on this issue if we will lead) exert economic measures and sanctions, and hurt politically as the war drags on and hurts the Russian people...that we could still contain it to the Russians just securing the seperatist provinces.

But to have any hope of doing that, the west will have to act forthrightly and quickly.

Otherwise, there will be a Russian puppet government in Tiblisi within a short time (probably a few weeks at the most)...and probably a protracted gureilla war which the Russians will attempt to quell very brutally.

14 posted on 08/11/2008 8:26:22 AM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: jeffers; maquiladora; 1COUNTER-MORTER-68; GSR-TX

ping


15 posted on 08/11/2008 8:27:02 AM PDT by jhpigott
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To: squarebarb

The first ones under the label GEORGIAN FORCES are Georgian, down to the label RUSSIAN FORCES. After that they are Russian.


16 posted on 08/11/2008 8:27:35 AM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: Carry_Okie
Putin just may have have done more for US/European relations than any person since Ronald Reagan.

I agree. Putin has just shot himself in the foot.

17 posted on 08/11/2008 8:27:48 AM PDT by paulcissa (The first requirement of Liberalism is to stand on your head and tell the world they're upside down)
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To: autumnraine

To be fair about it, there wasn’t much we could do friday or saturday, this was a blitz of quick and large proportions.


18 posted on 08/11/2008 8:27:48 AM PDT by eastforker (Get-R-Done and then Bring-Em- Home)
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To: Gay State Conservative

The Russian Deputy minister was smiling on CNN telling the reporter that Georgia is an American satellite and it will pay for that.The Russian’s he said will not agree to a cease fire.
Smiling the whole time he said the Georgia counted on our iad , and that they would not get it.


19 posted on 08/11/2008 8:28:03 AM PDT by redstateconfidential (A man who lets his friends down, is no man at all.)
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To: Gay State Conservative

While we are indeed friends with Georgia, it is ridiculous though to think we should get involved in a direct war with Russia over this. I do think we should provide them with intelligence and as much equipment as possible.

Getting involved with this on a direct combat standing would be absolutely stupid. The Russians are idiots and i think this will cost them dearly. We should do like we did in the Cold War and stir up trouble for them by provoking the Ukraine, Moldavia and the Balitc Republics. In addition, we should go ahead and level Iran while they are busy.


20 posted on 08/11/2008 8:28:25 AM PDT by ChinaThreat (s)
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To: jhpigott

Russian forces are attacking Georgian forces in Gori now. Breaking on BBC.


21 posted on 08/11/2008 8:28:32 AM PDT by maquiladora
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To: Carry_Okie

The remarks about paying a price for verbal support to countries like Poland has me curious to the long term goals of Russia. Is this the beginning of a reformulation of the USSR?


22 posted on 08/11/2008 8:28:35 AM PDT by commonguymd (A de facto single party country is nigh. The partisan bickering is a mere bilking mechanism.)
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To: Jeff Head

A terrible, terrible situation for an ally of ours. Unfortunately, the Georgians are on their own. I just don’t see the U.S. getting involved militarily in this, and there is no one else who is has the power to turn the russians back.

Russia has this right where they want it, and they know it.


23 posted on 08/11/2008 8:30:00 AM PDT by reagan_fanatic ("And how can this be? For I am the Kwisatz Haderach! " - Barack Obama)
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To: Jeff Head

Where, oh where was our intleligence community? This reaction is too well organized to have been a mere (over) reaction by the Russians.

The timing couldn’t have been better while the world and its leaders were at the Olympics.


24 posted on 08/11/2008 8:30:35 AM PDT by toddlintown (Morons; all of 'em.)
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To: autumnraine
It's not over yet. We are flying their forces back on our aircraft. My guess is they will offload with a lot of...extra equipment. At least that is my hope.

In addition, the strong statements being made by Bush and Cheney are going to have to have something behind them...what we are not sur eof yet. But they cannot make those types of statements internationally without backing thm up somehow.

The Ukraine is already taking steps as well.

This is not over yet...but things do look bleak for Georgia right now.

Logistically, if you look at a map, from the outset there is very little other way it could look militarily. We or anyone else would be hard pressed to literally fight our way in there.

But we can have an impact and we need to make it clear that that impact will hurt the Russians..

25 posted on 08/11/2008 8:31:02 AM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: redstateconfidential

I’m sure most of the newsroom at CNN was smiling, too.

Did you see any red pom-poms?


26 posted on 08/11/2008 8:31:23 AM PDT by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard
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To: Carry_Okie

There is that...but only if we act together.


27 posted on 08/11/2008 8:31:46 AM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: eastforker

Yes, but I am talking about the article I read this morning with a US Diplomat saying “There isn’t much we can do at this point. Russia is helping us with Iran...”

So they are leaving Georgia to hang.


28 posted on 08/11/2008 8:32:08 AM PDT by autumnraine
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To: eastforker

“this was a blitz of quick and large proportions.”

Yep. See Post #24.


29 posted on 08/11/2008 8:32:11 AM PDT by toddlintown (Morons; all of 'em.)
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To: Centurion2000

It never was.


30 posted on 08/11/2008 8:32:21 AM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: Jeff Head

Based on this and a BBC report posted earlier, nothing short of a Georgian surrender will stop the neo-Soviets. The West might as well realize that its call for a cease-fire is falling on deaf ears.

Pray for Georgia.


31 posted on 08/11/2008 8:32:39 AM PDT by rrstar96 (Strength and Honor!)
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To: eastforker

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/georgia/2535881/Georgia-Gori-evacuated-as-fears-of-Russian-advance-into-Georgia-grow.html

But American diplomats conceded that the US had few options and ruled out military intervention on behalf of Georgia. “We have no good options,” a US National Security Council official told The Daily Telegraph. “We need Russia’s co-operation over Iran and derailing that over a localised conflict in Georgia makes no sense. We just have to hope that diplomacy prevails. The next necessary step is for Russia to respond positively to Georgia’s ceasefire declaration.”


32 posted on 08/11/2008 8:32:41 AM PDT by autumnraine
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To: redstateconfidential

If their diplomats are saying this in the open, then we need to make sure Cheney’s words are not just rhetoric. There needs to be a stiff price and it needs to start post haste.


33 posted on 08/11/2008 8:33:12 AM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: Jeff Head
http://www.hurriyet.com.tr/english/home/9630093.asp?gid=244&sz=57367

Russia launches operation outside Georgia's breakaway regions

"..."Russian peacekeepers and support units are carrying out an operation aimed at... preventing Georgian forces from regrouping to carry new attacks on South Ossetia," a ministry spokesman said. "Senaki is one of the places where such actions were underway..."

Russia confirmed on Monday that its troops had advanced from the breakaway region of Abkhazia to the town of Senaki inside Georgia proper. Georgian Interior Ministry said Russian troops have moved into another town in western Georgia. (UPDATED)

Latest on Russia-Georgia conflict

* Turkey proposes formation of a Caucasian union

* G7 urges Russia to accept ceasefire

* Russia seeks emergency Russia-NATO summit.

* Russia says said operation in South Ossetia is near conclusion

* Russian army says its forces have not gone beyond South Ossetia

* Putin slammed West over the conflict

* West increases pressure on Russia

* Cheney says Russian aggression must not go unanswered

* EU demands Russia halt Georgia military activity

* Georgia rejects to lay down arms outside Abkhazia

* Conflict signals a cold atmosphere between Turkey and Russia

The Defense Ministry justified the operation in Senaki, which lies outside the so-called security zone along the de facto Abkhaz boundary, by a need to avert news attacks on another breakaway region of South Ossetia.

"Russian peacekeepers and support units are carrying out an operation aimed at... preventing Georgian forces from regrouping to carry new attacks on South Ossetia," a ministry spokesman said. "Senaki is one of the places where such actions were underway."

The deployment follows Russia's threat to move into western Georgia from Abkhazia if Georgian troops in the area refuse to lay down arms.

Georgian Interior Ministry spokesman Shota Utiashvili said Russian forces moved into the town of Zugdidi outside the breakaway province of Abkhazia and seized police stations there Monday.

Russian and Georgian officials say that Russian forces also have seized a Georgian base in the town of Senaki, further east.

The simmering conflict between Russia and its small, former Soviet neighbor erupted last Thursday when Georgia suddenly sent forces to retake South Ossetia, a pro-Russian province that threw off Georgian rule in the 1990s.

Moscow responded with a counter-attack that drove Georgian forces out of the devastated South Ossetian capital Tshkhinvali on Sunday. Russia says more than 2,000 people have been killed in the fighting and thousands more are homeless but these figures have not been independently verified.

Earlier on Monday Russia had rejected the ceasefire claim, saying Georgian attacks had continued in South Ossetia.

Russian President Dmitry Medvedev said on Monday that a military operation in South Ossetia was nearly over, Interfax news agency reported.

"A significant part of the operation to force the Georgian authorities to make peace in South Ossetia has been concluded," Medvedev said. "Tskhinvali is under the control of a reinforced Russian peacekeeping contingent."

34 posted on 08/11/2008 8:34:47 AM PDT by Brian S. Fitzgerald
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To: Jeff Head
My guess is they will offload with a lot of...extra equipment.

Plus a few new "coaches" as well I expect.

35 posted on 08/11/2008 8:35:05 AM PDT by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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To: redstateconfidential

They are full on taunting America through Georgia.

This has taken me by surprise. I never believed Russia to be an ally, but I didn’t really expect them to full on take out an ally and taunt us about it.

And apparently we are to do nothing. In Russia’s eyes, that makes us look weak. In thier mindset, America appears afraid of Russia.


36 posted on 08/11/2008 8:35:09 AM PDT by autumnraine
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To: Jeff Head

BBC update - Russian deputy PM has dismissed the EU peace proposal.


37 posted on 08/11/2008 8:35:19 AM PDT by maquiladora
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To: autumnraine
We need Russia’s co-operation over Iran and derailing that over a localised conflict in Georgia makes no sense. We just have to hope that diplomacy prevails.

Statements in the open like this by our own National Security people ENSURE that the Russians WILL NOT respond to diplomacy. The idiot who made that statement to the press should be fired immediately.

Stupid foggy bottom types.

38 posted on 08/11/2008 8:35:34 AM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: Jeff Head

This is the Democrats fault. We need Russian oil. If We had our own oil drilling in ANWR and off the coasts, we wouldn’t need to bow to Russian pressure.


39 posted on 08/11/2008 8:35:59 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: autumnraine
We need Russia’s co-operation over Iran

Cooperation? What cooperation?

40 posted on 08/11/2008 8:36:28 AM PDT by Numbers Guy
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To: Gay State Conservative
I'm with ya.....but unfortunately I think the reality is that the United States and NATO will not go to war with Russia over Georgia...so Russia's gonna do whater the frig they want.

....and the UN is the UN and will pay attention to the Olympics more than what's going on in Georgia.

41 posted on 08/11/2008 8:38:30 AM PDT by ElectricStrawberry (27th Infantry Regiment...cut in half during the Clinton years.)
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To: Jeff Head

Yes, I am hoping that they drop off a little extra with the Georgian troops as well.

Putin is already expressing anger that we are flying them in and wants to make like we are getting involved by using an American jet to deliver the troops.

How much you want to bet he attacks the US and implies we got involved with our military equipment by dropping off the troops.


42 posted on 08/11/2008 8:38:37 AM PDT by autumnraine
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To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard

The Black guy, whatever that a$$hats name is, kept having the Russian deputy repeat the charges of ethnic cleansing 3 times over. All the time smiling that sly half smile you get from a Russian.You know that look a punk kid has when he thinks he got one up the adults.


43 posted on 08/11/2008 8:38:42 AM PDT by redstateconfidential (A man who lets his friends down, is no man at all.)
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To: redstateconfidential
Smiling the whole time he said the Georgia counted on our aid , and that they would not get it.

One thing we've been pretty dependable for in the last few decades is promising to watch folk's backs and then hanging them out to dry...

44 posted on 08/11/2008 8:38:51 AM PDT by Axenolith (7-17-08 : Gasoline is an average $0.32/gallon in US 90% silver coinage...)
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To: Jeff Head
It never was.

Well I stand completely corrected. Screw the Russians. Helping Ossetians ... one thing even if morally debateable.

Raiding Georgia proper and making a move on the rest of the nation? Frakking Mongols.

45 posted on 08/11/2008 8:38:58 AM PDT by Centurion2000 (A citizen using a weapon to shoot a criminal is the ultimate act of independence from government.)
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To: Brian S. Fitzgerald

Ah, looking at a highway and rail map of Georgia, what Senaki really is a crossroads for all the highway and rail routes between Tbilisi and the port cities, particularly Potsi.

This would appear to be game over, it’s downhill from here.


46 posted on 08/11/2008 8:39:57 AM PDT by HarryCaul (Verify Possums! Pogo's Enemy is Us!)
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To: Brian S. Fitzgerald

Russia really really wants that Black Sea port.


47 posted on 08/11/2008 8:40:03 AM PDT by autumnraine
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To: autumnraine; eastforker
“We need Russia’s co-operation over Iran..."

Are we seriously going to trust the neo-Soviets with anything?

48 posted on 08/11/2008 8:40:12 AM PDT by rrstar96 (Strength and Honor!)
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To: CharlesWayneCT
The whole point of the pipeline going through Georgia to the Black Sea was to lessen our dependency on Russian oil, and lessen the EU's dependency on it...and lessen dependency on Mid-East oil.

A lot of what Russia is doing is also about that. If they control Georgia, they will control that million barrel a day oil line.

49 posted on 08/11/2008 8:40:17 AM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: ElectricStrawberry

And to think we, and our press gave any credence to what Russia said about our efforts in Iraq and Afghanistan. They haven’t changed one bit, and intend to rebuild their empire.


50 posted on 08/11/2008 8:40:51 AM PDT by commonguymd (A de facto single party country is nigh. The partisan bickering is a mere bilking mechanism.)
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