Skip to comments.The Russian ultimatum
Posted on 08/14/2008 8:02:32 PM PDT by MarMema
The Russian leadership has fulfilled its dream. It has defeated Georgia militarily and is now trying to derive the utmost benefit from doing so.
This, in essence, was what the document brought to Tbilisi by French President Sarkozy demonstrated. It revealed that the Russian leadership is following the same line of reasoning as NATO did in Serbia during that conflict. It is appealing to international law by claiming that the Kremlin carried out a peace imposing operation against Georgia. It was merely protecting its citizens and peacekeepers. History records that when Hitler occupied Czechoslovakia he also claimed to be merely protecting his citizens. Here is revealed the true nature and purpose of such claims.
In 1968 when The Soviet Union invaded Czechoslovakia there was a joke which ran: What are Soviet tanks doing in Czechoslovakia? They are looking for the man who invited them!
The scale of the Russian aggression and its subsequent ultimatum to Georgia demonstrate what Moscows real aim is. Russia is not satisfied with merely controlling Abkhazia and South Ossetia, which it grabbed through its proxies more than a decade ago. Its aim is to control the whole of Georgia by one means or another.
Russian leaders want President Saakashvili of Georgia to be removed from office and dragged through international courts for initiating this short-lived conflict. This action is proposed by Prime Minister Putin, who is washed with the blood of the Chechen people and killed in Beslan and at the Nord Ost performance without a care for the welfare of the people he was appointed to serve.
Levan Gachechiladze, who was a candidate for the Georgian Presidency on January 5 this year, has stated that changing Georgias President is Georgias business, not Russias. Most probably the Georgian leadership will now have to answer many awkward questions. But these questions are none of Russias business.
In the ultimatum produced by Moscow Georgias territorial integrity is not confirmed. Indirectly this omission means that the issue is no longer how the warring parties resolve their conflict, but when the Georgian provinces of South Ossetia and Abkhazia will be integrated into Russia. We do not yet know all the details of the document, but from a Georgian point of view it seems to be very tough. We do know however that the Kremlin is demanding the demilitarization of sovereign Georgia. This will create yet another threat to the country and its territory. Whether any of these measures have anything to do with trying to resolve a conflict, only time will tell.
The TV images of Sarkozys meeting with Medvedev were distressing. The Russian President looked strangely confused, despite trying to present himself as a victorious emperor. We could all see how nervous he looked when he insisted that peacekeeping in the Caucasus is traditionally carried out by Russia. That countrys old assumptions and presumptions remain. Will the world swallow this or has it already swallowed it?
Just before the French President arrived, Saakashvili announced that Georgia is withdrawing from the CIS and that Abkhazia and Tskhinvali are now regarded as occupied territories and the Russian army as an occupation force. The Georgian population and the political opposition have long demanded that these steps be taken, but neither the Shevardnadze administration nor the present one has previously dared to do so. Parliament has to go through a formal process of ratifying this decision and the President has to sign the subsequent decree. But if this happens Russia will no longer be able to claim it is automatically the regional peacekeeper, however much the Kremlin continues to declare otherwise, without of course consulting those whose peace it presumes to keep.
Moscow will object to Georgias actions, and will put on the table certain documents signed during the Shevardnadze period which it can interpret for its benefit. Georgia joined the CIS because its national security doctrine had the wrong priorities, or the correct ideas were incorrectly implemented. Like any other party to a contract signed fifteen years ago, Georgia is entitled to change its mind in the light of bitter experience.
Georgia needs to express its gratitude to the foreign leaders who arrived to Georgia on Tuesday evening, and in reality created a human shield for the capital. If not for this heroic act, the country would have been occupied totally. But the effort to assist Georgia should not end here.
The world must unite to stop Russia for one simple reason: who is next? Russians live all over the world, Russia is happy to protect the peace of whomever it claims to be its citizens, whichever country they actually live in. One thing we do know however. Georgia existed before Russia, and as everyone will see, it will continue to exist after it.
Georgian press with some interesting information.
If Putin refused, I'd have a list of 5 more things I'd do to force Russian troops out.
"What do you think Georgians were celebrating yesterday: victory, defeat or ?
The Georgian people were celebrating a spiritual victory. Yes, we know we have taken an unprecedented and maybe foolish step by waking up the most horrible monster, but we didnt have any alternative. Our conflict with them connected with the frozen conflict zones would have lasted forever. So I regret what has happened, but it was inevitable.
What? None of the above! We were celebrating our unity and firmness, and the fact that we do not seek the opportunity to use things against our President, regardless of whether we like or dislike him. We are with him at this time despite his many past mistakes.
We simply expressed solidarity towards each other. We have nothing to celebrate.
I really dont know what they were celebrating, because I think that today we have nothing to celebrate. When so many Georgians are being killed even now it is not appropriate to go round with happy faces.
The highlight of the rally was Bokerias speech and the people applauding him. I was shocked that people who hate him were applauding while he was speaking in front of Parliament. I am sure that even Bokeria have never imagined that one day people would greet him in such a way.
I was there, and was celebrating neither victory nor defeat - we just expressed support for our country and our government, and that Georgians are united as ever, are not a defeated nation and never will be.
i thought sarkozy was advertised as being a sharp knife in the drawer. now this.
Saakashvili announced that Georgia is withdrawing from the CIS and that Abkhazia and Tskhinvali are now regarded as occupied territories and the Russian army as an occupation force. The Georgian population and the political opposition have long demanded that these steps be taken, but neither the Shevardnadze administration nor the present one has previously dared to do so. Parliament has to go through a formal process of ratifying this decision and the President has to sign the subsequent decree. But if this happens Russia will no longer be able to claim it is automatically the regional peacekeeper, however much the Kremlin continues to declare otherwise, without of course consulting those whose peace it presumes to keep.
Chilling stuff, ain’t it?
Bush needs to ask the Georgian President if its ok to have a Fly-Over zone and send some F-16 overhead to “keep the peace”...A few dropped bombs in nearby locations next to the Russian tanks might send a stronger message than “we strongly disapprove”...The time for action is NOW, TODAY...Russia has its plans set - full regression to the Soviet Empire! McCain is RIGHT - can you say KGB, Mr. Putin? Communist murderer...
It just occurd to me what is going on. 1st, don’t look for russia leaving Georgia anytime soon.They will divide the country , georgia south and russia north. Russia will take over the ports on the black sea. They have to if they want a warm warer port. You see, once the Ukraine becomes part of NATO, it was a prety sure bet Russia was gonna lose it’s port at Sevastopol.So, they are gonna need Poti to service their fleet. Face it ladies and gentlemen, Russia will be digging in and they ain’t leaving.
i think a strong positions is called for.
otherwise, europe’s going to be treated the way the ukraine was by russia.
a military trip wire would be ok with me.
ping to post 9
"Reuters witnesses on Thursday saw Russian troops in (key central Georgian towns)...
"We have no idea what they are doing there ... why such a heavy force," Georgian Prime Minister Lado Gurgenidze said during a teleconference. "One explanation could be that they are just trying to battle the civilian population."
No lack of humor here, I am thinking....this made me laugh
Russia has claimed the North Pole and Artic regions as its own. Soon they will start claiming Alaska just to annoy the US. I wouldn't be suprised if they made a move on Alaska sometime in the future.
Read post 9, they will not leave and any attempt to remove russia from geargia will be the start of WWIII,Russia can not do without a warm water port.
I wish we had as many Seal/Ranger units as press drones are over there.
Did you see the Georgian Lady Reporter take a bullet ? My God, one of our yapping heads would have collapsed and retired, and I’m talking about Anderson Cooper!
The peace agreement brokered by Sarkozy contains a clause allowing Moscow’s forces “to implement additional security measures” while awaiting international monitors.”
Oh you $#@^&*(! Frogs!
I’m inclined to agree with you. I read an article not long ago that tied the possible political situations in the entire area together. (Eastern Europe and the Middle East)
It reminds me of a real life chess game.
I’m thinking, or hoping, that the lights are burning in the five-sided building tonight.
Georgians are, on the whole, very strong and accepting people. They have endured a great deal over the centuries.
Russian news reported Estonian soldiers who went to fight with the Georgians.
Is Putin still married to his wife, does anyone know?
I saw that video. I admired her when she looked at the wound and said, “It is a scratch...small calibre”. One of our presstitutes would be wailing as though they had a sucking chest wound.
Putin wants to turn back the clock to the evil empire days.
Check out this load of Bear Scat, they write like demented luddites, even without the perils of the translation of Russian”Free” press. Accuses the Georgians of things they couldn’t do unless they were....Russian!
Won’t work for me...
They may be on to you....
Hopefully, as I said, the powers that be are planning to use them judicially.
I listened this evening to Weiner Savage drone on for 5 minutes making excuses for the Ruskies in Georgia before I changed the station in disgust.
Thanx for the link.
KGB lyin’ tactics, for sure.
He’s lost me on that one Monday night.
We might as well let them drill for oil in Alaska 'cause the 'Rats and the RINOs won't let our companies do it -- at least it would add to the world supply! /s
It is not a choice for every responsible Russian - Tanks to Tbilisi! - this is a voice of our national history.
Alack! Our elite is still irresponsible. The nets of effect's agents from the West is everywhere in russian authority. Putin has not been doing serious purges. It can adversely effect Russia. So, now we are going to recognize, who is worth anything.
You know who the author of this piece is? Aleksandyr Dugin. OMG. He is a monster and then some. Wow, thanks for the link. Do some googling on this idiot and then on eurasionism and neo-eurasionism.
I am beginning to believe that Russia will lose big time on this move. It will take months and years to realize the extent of the damage but it will be long and wide. First, “The whole world is watching.” factor is creating a PR nightmare. You can bet they have forced Kiev right into the arms of NATO, officially or not. Now, every former Soviet satellite is rushing into the arms of the United States. The US, France, Britain, The EU, and every nation southwest and west of Russia are now meeting secretly to ensure that they are ready to combat the bear. If Russia was paranoid before, they ought to be hearing voices in their heads now. Finally, if anyone thinks for a minute the Russian troops can invade with green helmets, then switch helmets to powder blue, then they’ve got rocks in their heads. The UN will send in peacekeepers and most of those troops will be European and American (you can bet that plenty of countries will step up for that assignment). And it will happen in the next six months and it will be an overwhelming number of “peacekeepers” and “humanitarians”. And speaking of rocks, how bout the people of Georgia...they could care less if Russia spans eight time zones and has 10,000 nuclear warheads.The Georgians have shown the world that freedom and democracy truly belongs to us all, not just the powerful. God bless them.
Sure hope you’re right....I’m pessimistic for that region of the Caucasus, don’t know how much lasting resistance there will be to increased Russian domination. But I am hopeful that at least the Ukraine and Baltic States should get more EU and NATO support and will become more integrated with the West.
The average Ruskie doesn't take a dump without a plan ... son
Hitler had it easier, because France and Great Britain said it was OK to attack Czechoslovakia. Putin could have waited a few months for Obama to act as his Nevil Chamberlain.
Wonder how many more separatist areas there are that want to rejoin the Russian mother land?
They have other ports on the Black Sea, the only sort Georgia has (except on the Caspian Sea, but Russia has ports there as well.)
There are several ports or port sites on the Russian coast of the Black Sea. Not more than 150-200 miles up the coast, and only about .70 times that much farther north.
No, it the oil pipeline, and the Old Empire, that they want.
If they wanted a better warm water port, they'd have to invade Turkey, or Iran.
Reporter in Georgia Gets Her Shot at the Big Time
Georgian television reporter Tamara Urushadze was shot in the forearm Thursday -- LIVE ON TELEVISION -- and continued her report minutes later.
I am beginning to think they just want expansion, after reading some of their newspapers.
you think al obama is our next president?
(i have no idea. usually when i make a prediction, i’m wrong!)
i’ll vote for mccain.
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