Skip to comments.McCain alarms base with abortion comment
Posted on 08/14/2008 8:54:39 PM PDT by Alter Kaker
Top social conservative leaders in key battleground states are urging John McCain not to pick a running mate who supports abortion rights, warning of dire consequences from a Republican base already unenthused about their nominee.
McCains comments Wednesday to the Weekly Standards Stephen Hayes that former Pennsylvania Gov. Tom Ridges pro-abortion rights views wouldnt necessarily rule him out quickly found their way into the in-boxes of Christian conservatives. For those who have been anxiously awaiting McCains pick as a signal of his ideological intentions, there was deep concern that their worst fears about the Arizona senator may be realized.
It absolutely floored me, said Phil Burress, head of the Ohio-based Citizens for Community Values. It would doom him in Ohio.
Burress emailed about a dozen pro-family leaders he knows outside Ohio and forwarded it to three McCain aides tasked with Christian conservative outreach.
That choice will end his bid for the presidency and spell defeat for other Republican candidates, Burress wrote in the message.
He and other Ohio conservatives met privately with McCain in June, and while the nominee didnt promise them an anti-abortion rights running mate, his staff said they could almost guarantee that would be the case, Burress recalled.
Now, Burress said, hes not even sure [Christian conservatives] would vote for him let alone work for him if he picked a pro-abortion running mate.
James Muffett, head of Michigans Citizens for Traditional Values, met with McCain along with a handful of other Michigan-based social conservatives Wednesday night.
A good portion of us were urging him to pick a pro-life running mate, Muffett said, noting that they were doing so before even getting wind of the Standard story. That choice would go a long way to solidify his credentials.
Muffett said McCain didnt offer any promises on the issue, but rather reiterated his anti-abortion record and assured them that he was aware of how critical the base was to the electoral success of Republican presidents dating back to Ronald Reagan.
To select a running mate who supports abortion rights would be wrong-headed, short-sighted, fracture the Republican Party and not allow us to capitalize on the Democratic Partys fracture right now, Muffett argued.
If he does that, it makes our job 100 times harder. It would dampen enthusiasm at a time when evangelicals are looking for ways to gin up enthusiasm.
McCain, Muffett said, got that message in their meeting.
Some people in the movement say it would be the kiss of death. He heard that in the room last night.
With polls showing McCain and Obama still neck-and-neck in many competitive states, conservatives argue that their candidate must turn out Christian conservatives in large numbers to win.
In Iowa, for example, many in the GOP say Bush won in 2004 after losing there in 2000 because he bolstered turnout among the religious right in the conservative western part of the state and in exurban areas.
Bush only won by 10,000 votes, recalled Steve Scheffler, president of the Iowa Christian Alliance and a Republican committeeman from the state. Youre going to have to have a huge turnout of that base again for McCain to win.
And, Scheffler noted, its not just a matter of ensuring that social conservatives vote picking a supporter of abortion rights could erode McCains volunteer base.
Ninety percent of the workforce for Bush in 04 came out of that constituency, he said, alluding to the Christian right. Picking a Ridge or a [Joseph] Lieberman would not be helpful at all.
Rep. Peter Hoekstra, who represents a conservative, heavily Dutch district in western Michigan where Republicans traditionally pile up huge margins, said a pro-abortion rights running mate would be problematic.
Thats not where theyd want him going, Hoekstra said of the party base.
McCains campaign sought to tamp down the uproar, suggesting the candidate had merely been overly expansive about a sensitive topic and hadnt intended to float a trial balloon.
The point that McCain was making is that people can differ on one issue and still be a vital member of our party, said an aide. The fact that Governor Ridge is not perfectly in line with the party platform does not make him any less of a Republican.
In the interview, McCain said the pro-life position is one of the important aspects or fundamentals of the Republican Party.
And I also feel that and I'm not trying to equivocate here that Americans want us to work together. You know, Tom Ridge is one of the great leaders and he happens to be pro-choice. And I don't think that that would necessarily rule Tom Ridge out [for vice-president].
He added: I think it's a fundamental tenet of our party to be pro-life, but that does not mean we exclude people from our party that are pro-choice. We just have a albeit strong but just it's a disagreement. And I think Ridge is a great example of that.
The GOP base aside, some observers believe that picking an outside-the-box running mate such as Lieberman could help McCain with the broad middle of the country who are fed up with the political status quo and enable him to pick off even more Clinton backers.
This move to a pro-choice running mate such as Lieberman could help reshape his message to appeal to swing voters, said Doug Schoen, a Democratic pollster who worked for New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg when he was a Republican and has written a book about moving away from the two-party system. The right-wing is not going anywhere and choice is a key issue for over-40 women who voted for Hillary in the primaries.
But to some in the GOP who supported other candidates in the primary and are having trouble mustering much enthusiasm for McCain, the mere mention of a pro-choice running mate is disheartening.
A lot of the troops here are on the fence or disappointed, said Elizabeth Sipfle, a Michigan Republican and former leader of Mike Huckabees grassroots Hucks Army organization who contacted Politico to register her concern. Lets not get our blood boiling.
Be smart, she urged McCain. Theres a big group here thats already feeling marginalized.
American republican governance turned on its head.
[... I haven’t figured out how to send to more than one at a time...]
In the to line add a freeper name, then a comma.
Gordon Greene, Das Outsider, Jo Nuvark, Semaj, etc.
My gosh... now I gotta know the Kang’s Anglish!?!
In the immortal words of the great Homer (Simpson), Why do I need English? I’m never goin’ to England”.
What the... was it the screen name that gave me away?
Which opinion is destroying our free republic.
Alienate the God-given right to life and you've destroyed the cornerstone of liberty.
GG: My gosh... now I gotta know the Kangs Anglish!?!
DO: Or the Jefe’s Spanglish. Odds are, our king isn’t going to be of Anglo-Saxon descent, so don’t go practicing your Victorian, Early Modern English verb endings just yet.
GG: In the immortal words of the great Homer (Simpson), Why do I need English? Im never goin to England.
DO: In the immortal words of the original Homer, “You guys are so screwed.”
Mr. Nitro, meet Mr. Glycerin.
Did you really work for NRO?
"Let the blood run in the streets, as long as it isn't my street."
Or something like that.
The only ones whose noses are out of joint about this seem to be the people who expect McCain to have these night-before-election-butterflies and suddenly do a double somersault behind himself and suddenly, *POOF* he's gonna be a conservative or a reasonable facsimile.
It AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN! He's a lib. He's always been a lib! He's always gonna BE a lib! He WANTS to be a lib! He LIKES being a lib!
And the McCainiacs wishful thinking ain't gonna change a single thing.
They seem to think that just because he ain't out in the left field fringe that he's better than Obama.
HE'S JUST ABOUT THE SAME AS OBAMA! What's it take to get through these people's heads? Except for possibly his military background and support, he's no different from Obama/Hillary.
He only runs as a Rep cause he can't get elected as a Dem.
I just bookmarked your website. http://www.fracturedrepublic.com/greene.html
That article about the Olympics and RAS-Putin’s
invasion of Soviet Georgia ... spot on! “Go World”
made me gag. I haven’t watched one bit of the
olympics because of that commercial. If I used
VISA I would cut up the card and mail it back to
Chuck Missler has been predicting this for years.
Recently, I’ve been thinking the invasion of
Armageddon would be from the Chinese north because
they have a standing army of over 800 million.
But now that our entire military are in Iraq, (the
staging area for the return of our King), and the
Russian bear is back, me thinks it’s going to be
Russia from the north.
Still Watching. Looking for storm clouds and
listening for the trumpet.
Let’s see now...amnesty for illegals, a pro-abortion VP, reaching across the aisle, etc...
Why should I vote for him???
Oh, yeah. He’s not Obama.
Yep, he's already older than his dad was when he died. A pro-death veep of McCain's would have a good chance of stepping up.
Ain't no way I'm voting for McCain. If we do, who the GOP gonna push at us next time? Linc Chaffee? Jim Jeffords?
pssst: Don’t forget global warming ... err climate change ... err the mini-ice age ... err whatever.
Q: Bill agitates the Budweiser. Explain. Hint: August.
A: William Shakespeare. Sound it out. The hint was a reference to “A Midsummer Night’s Dream.” Mid-August is still midsummer, isn’t it?
Just a little more time and I would have figured it out... NOT! (scratching head)
"We have chosen?" Since I believe in the death penalty, I should probably execute myself, right?
THEY have chosen, and we have done a poor job of persuasion.
[... I’m doubtful (Gordon worked for the NRO) because he
seems to have made use of his opposable thumbs and speech capabilities...]
Snort! But seriously. I like National Review.
Only silver lining to Obama, if he wins, he won’t tarnish the Republican brand further. BHO could play Carter to our next Reagan.
..... or he could play Woodrow Wilson to our next Harding..... :^(
I don't like to place my hopes in getting off easy with a 1-term Obambi followed by a new Reagan who we cannot yet identify.
[... Let me guess, you only read NRO for the articles...]
I have this cute little yellow spa ducky that has
a thermometer up it’s ducky butt. I named him
William F. Duckley. Does that answer your question?
Aha... Mensa. How smart could you be if you forgot
that I only have a slightly above average intelligence?
I humbly disagree- Judeo-Christians don't murder their babies, Democrats murder their babies.
How interesting and insightful you bring up the point that our nation was founded and organized into law under the Judeo Christian value system. These days it’s bad if you mention the word Jesus but it is good if you talk about the Gay Rights parade and legalized status of Gay marriage. That is what our national leaders are focused on?!?
Already voting Ron Paul. McCain is an economic mental dwarf.
Already voting Ron Paul. McCain is an economic mental dwarf.
That is close to my point. I specifically stated it was not about abortion. What it was about was that individuals and states have more rights than merely those enumerated in the Constitution.
Those who hold individuals only have rights enumerated in the Constitution are depriving individuals of their rights. Therefore, we may have a right to privacy, even though it is not enumerated in the Constitution. The original poster implied the opposite.
I agree with you that if Roe vs. Wade is overturned, then the situtation will revert to what it was prior, ie, the legality of abortion would depend on the individual states.
Wouldn’t disagree. But is Joe still stuck on carbon credits? That little trick to attempt to tax the global citizen to pay for the boomer deficit benefits shortall to the tune of $2 T is extremely offensive to me. Other ways to keep our promises (which should never had been made in the first place). Those choices are hard, but staying on our current economic monetary policy is madness. It’s forcing the debt on the entire Middle Class through inflation and destroying this group while destroying the boomer pension and SS in the process.
I don’t know. The ultimate ramifications of your position get pretty bizarre.
Penalties for theft are moral in nature. Enforcement of contracts are moral in nature. Penalty for kidnap is moral in nature, as are laws against all forms of child abuse and neglect. To just leave the one form of child abuse known as abortion out of the equation seems inconsistent.
Or would we just allow people to do whatever they want to kids in your “nation management” strategy? I’d hope not.
[... Judeo-Christians don’t murder their babies, Democrats murder their babies...]
I’m sorry, but Chritians ARE murdering their babies.
I know someone who worked for Planned Parenthood in
the 80’s. Over 70% check the Judeo Christian box on
their medical form.
My church is full of forgiven murderers. We (the church)
have blood on our hands.
You cannot blame them (the Democrats) when we murder.
Government may have made abortion legal, but that doesn’t
mean it’s moral. God says that abortion is murder. Blaming
Democrats when we choose to kill is as ridiculous as
blaming the gun instead of the person who pulls the trigger.
Funny you should mention Esperanto.
We had the author (inventor?) of Esperanto as a guest in our
home when I was a young girl. He gave me his book
and signed it. He also told me how to speak esperanto.
It has very few rules and is easy to understand.
Too bad it didn’t catch. Seemed like a wonderful global
language. But then, God wouldn’t have blessed it.
If McCain goes ahead and picks a VP that favors murdering children, many people will thoroughly enjoy throwing your words in your face.
OK... I see that I’m going to have to dig out
my Esperanto book and see who that man was who
authored it. It was obviously NOT L. L. Zamenhof.
He died in 1917. Our visitor was from some Russian
European country and he was the same age as my parents.
I was maybe ten years old (1964).
I worked for a Crisis Pregnancy Center in the 1990s, for three years actually.
Those who were considering abortion and said they were “Christians” were not Christians in any form most of us would recognize. They weren’t members of a church, did not read their Bibles, were having sex outside of marriage, etc. I am not painting with a brush of assumption here - when I had a confessing Christian in the counseling room consider abortion, I’d ask them these questions. Generally these young women considered themselves Christians because a parent or grandparent was, or they’d been baptized, or they had attended a church sometime in their lives. It was like a cultural statement.
In the three years I worked at the CPC, I know of only one consistently Christian woman who had an abortion. She was Asian, had been seduced by her youth “pastor” (who wanted her to abort the evidence) and was under tremendous pressure from her parents. She resisted for about six weeks and then succumbed to the pressure.
She had actually been a volunteer. I never saw her again after that.
For that matter, only three married women that I counseled ever aborted.
So who’s aborting? Non-church attending single girls and young women, usually. Pretty much the same folks who have a lot of sex outside of marriage.
Thank you for your work in the Crisis Pregnancy Center.
Do you know Gida? Living Well?
I recognize that many who say they are Christian are really
cultural christians. However I know women who chose
abortion because they believed that the Government’s
decision agreed with God. That is to say if the Government
says it is OK, it must be moral. There lies the confusion.
Checking a box on a medical (insurance?) form does not make one a Christian. Murdering a baby is evidence that the person is not a Christian, despite the attitudes of many US churches to the contrary. The Baptist Church is anti-abortion, as is the Catholic Church, the Orthodox Presbyterian Church, and possibly some others that I missed. The United Methodist Church was peachy-keen with Partial Birth Abortion before 2000. They even wrote letters of support to Clinton when he veto'ed legislation banning the barbaric practice TWICE. Many others are really accepting of abortion, going as far as paying for preachers wives' abortions under their medical insurance. In my humble opinion, these churches are not really Christian.
No, I don’t know Gida or Living Well.
My time at the CPC was the most rewarding job I ever had. I hope to do it again when my kids are grown.
I think the oft-repeated statement that it’s the Christians who are having the most abortions is a canard to discourage us. Certainly some Christians do abort, but in my experience, it’s a tiny minority. I suppose it can vary from region to region.
Many Christian girls who are pregnant out of wedlock do panic initially. At those vulnerable times they are subject to exploitation by abortion “counselors.” I am so glad the CPCs are here to minister to them.
Most ultimately follow their conscience and their Lord and carry the child. The churches and families I have worked with have been almost always supportive, much to my relief. Sadly, there have been exceptions there as well.
Not me. I blame feminism and a few murdering doctors.
Feminism has killed more worldwide thru abortion than Stalin, Mao, Hitler and Pol Pot coulda dreamed of.
sorta ruins that kinder gentler myth
When the courts forbid the states from protecting human life, we should indeed agitate against that decision.
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