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McCain alarms base with abortion comment
Politico ^ | 8/14/2008 | Jonathan Martin

Posted on 08/14/2008 8:54:39 PM PDT by Alter Kaker

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1 posted on 08/14/2008 8:54:39 PM PDT by Alter Kaker
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To: Alter Kaker

Read Between the Lines.

No Abortion Litmus Test for Vice President means No Abortion Litmus Test For a Supreme Court Justice.


2 posted on 08/14/2008 8:57:36 PM PDT by trumandogz
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To: Alter Kaker; Das Outsider

I believe that Government is not to blame for this wholesale slaughter of the innocent. Moral decisions come from Bible-Torah literacy, (Psalm 139), not from legislation. Roe v. Wade aside, we have not been forced to kill our babies. Abortion statistics are staggering because we (yes, I mean Judeo-Christians) have chosen to murder our unborn.

I believe that liberals have used the abortion debate to divide and conquer. We need to stop this naive militancy. In Deuteronomy 11, God tells us clearly how to raise moral people.

“And you shall teach them (God’s statutes and ordinances… V1) to your sons, talking of them when you sit in your house and when you walk along the road and when you lie down and when you rise up.” V19.

Though separation of church and state cannot be found in the Constitution, the following might be a better way to view the concept… Morality is personal and none of the Government’s business. Anything otherwise is kin to dictating religion.

I believe that the Government is a business and should be run as a business. We should elect a fiscally conservative leader. We should elect a military leader. We should elect a Godly leader. Moreover, we should be informed and not easily swayed by an anti-American agenda disguised as “concern”. It is nothing but pathetic, alarmist rhetoric. Abortion and terrorism are both wars against humanity. But the battleground for the unborn should be waged from the home (church), not the Supreme Court!


3 posted on 08/14/2008 8:58:01 PM PDT by Jo Nuvark (Those who bless Israel will be blessed, those who curse Israel will be cursed. Gen 12:3)
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To: Alter Kaker
Wow, I'm glad we have the MSM to honestly, with no bias, tell us what a candidate means when they say something.. I mean jeeze.. if it weren't for the MSM, the letters VP wouldn't be found anywhere in McCain's statement... boy, I'm sure glad I don't have to think for myself.. just trust the MSM...
4 posted on 08/14/2008 8:59:35 PM PDT by mnehring (http://www.heyobamababy.com/obama_baby_cool_cat.htm)
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To: Alter Kaker

McDole is a douche bag, no doubt about it.


5 posted on 08/14/2008 8:59:41 PM PDT by Nonstatist
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To: Alter Kaker

“That’s not where they’d want him going,” Hoekstra said of the party base.”

Ha! As if McCain cares what we think.

He had better not dare choose Tom Ridge or Loserman.


6 posted on 08/14/2008 8:59:44 PM PDT by GOPGuide
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To: Alter Kaker

If McCain picks a pro-abortion vp he is toast. There is nothing that will get evangelicals to support him after that.


7 posted on 08/14/2008 8:59:55 PM PDT by Maelstorm (John McCain is ready to be commander in chief)
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To: Alter Kaker

Comrade Juan McNuts is not Conservative.


8 posted on 08/14/2008 9:00:37 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Bernanke is a Monetary Slut!)
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To: Jo Nuvark

Sorry, but McCain is a tool and an enabler of the Left.

I’ll vote for the jerk, but I’ll need a dose of Ipecac and a bath afterwards.


9 posted on 08/14/2008 9:00:58 PM PDT by Westbrook (Having more children does not divide your love, it multiplies it.)
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To: Jo Nuvark
we have not been forced to kill our babies

Not generally in this country, but most definitely the case in China.

In this country, it is kind of borderline when an organization such as Planned Parenthood, which receives government i.e. taxpayer money, encourages and facilitates a teenage mother's abortion without her parent's knowledge.

10 posted on 08/14/2008 9:01:52 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurtureĀ™)
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To: Jo Nuvark

That is a strange position. What is law, except legislated morality.

Given your argument, murder in all forms would be legal.


11 posted on 08/14/2008 9:02:20 PM PDT by Marie2 (Everything the left does has the effect and intent of destroying the traditional family.)
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To: Alter Kaker
"it would be the kiss of death."

Both literally and figuratively. If McCain picks a pro-abort VP, it would be the first time in my adult life I do not vote for the Republican--after nine times of doing so.

12 posted on 08/14/2008 9:03:34 PM PDT by Charles Henrickson (GO CUBS GO! RECREATE '08! 1908!)
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To: Maelstorm
If McCain picks a pro-abortion vp he is toast. There is nothing that will get evangelicals to support him after that.

Like I said in an earlier thread, even if he doesn't end up picking a pro-abortion VP (which would ensure his loss), the fact that he says he'd even consider it is a real problem for me.

13 posted on 08/14/2008 9:03:47 PM PDT by mngran2
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To: Jo Nuvark

I totally agree... on principle that is.

In America we have a Christian standard that was the original intent of the founders. They saw we would fall without that moral code.

Now if the legislature and judicial branch of government rule that killing babies is alright, we need to kick them out and start over with people who believe more in our original focus... a God-centered nation.

On the other hand, I don’t expect the government to teach my children not to have abortions any more than I believe it is the governments responsibility to raise and educate my children. We are responsible for ourselves and anyone else we bring into this world.

If our children are deceived it’s because they either took advantage of free will, or that we failed in training them up in the way they should go.

You have spoken mighty well.


14 posted on 08/14/2008 9:06:00 PM PDT by Gordon Greene (www.fracturedrepublic.com)
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To: mngran2; trumandogz
Like I said in an earlier thread, even if he doesn't end up picking a pro-abortion VP (which would ensure his loss), the fact that he says he'd even consider it is a real problem for me.

Exactly. It says that if he's President he'd probably consider a pro-abort attorney general, pro-abort district court judges, pro-abort appellate court judges, and pro-abort supreme court justices. Abortion is clearly not an issue McCain that cares about, and he's not even interested in listening to his base.

15 posted on 08/14/2008 9:07:19 PM PDT by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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To: trumandogz

Ok We did not send him money.


16 posted on 08/14/2008 9:07:54 PM PDT by fatima
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To: Jo Nuvark
I believe that Government is not to blame for this wholesale slaughter of the innocent.

Unplanned Nonparenthood supports and encourages such, surprisingly, in government-run schools. But why do they have so much power?

Abortion and terrorism are both wars against humanity.

And devil-may-care mass migration is a war against what nation we have left. We need to fight all of these battles on their respective fronts.

No man-made institution can possibly save us. Go back to the basics.
17 posted on 08/14/2008 9:07:55 PM PDT by Das Outsider (They're here. Deport now. Pay less to Mexico.)
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To: Alter Kaker

If he chooses as his VP candidate someone who supports abortion, that’s it, I won’t vote for him. No ifs, ands, or buts. Murder of babies is where I draw the line. I’ve forced myself to just get over it on his immigration stance, his globull warming policies, and his back-stabbing of conservatives. I’m already ashamed of myself, but I despise Obama. If he caves on the abortion issue, that’s it, that’s my line in the sand.


18 posted on 08/14/2008 9:09:11 PM PDT by mrsmel
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To: Marie2; Das Outsider; steve86; Westbrook

I’m just saying this post Christian nation has no
authority to decide if there is life in the womb.

We’ve lost our way. Now that we are secular, let’s
stick to nation management and leave moral instruction
for parents.


19 posted on 08/14/2008 9:09:14 PM PDT by Jo Nuvark (Those who bless Israel will be blessed, those who curse Israel will be cursed. Gen 12:3)
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To: Alter Kaker

If McCain picks a pro-choice VP candidate, I’ll probably sit this one out.

It would be both a slap in the face and a knife in the back to grass roots supporters.


20 posted on 08/14/2008 9:10:33 PM PDT by newberger (Christ is risen from the dead, trampling down death by death!)
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To: GOPGuide

Bump.


21 posted on 08/14/2008 9:11:52 PM PDT by fatima
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To: Alter Kaker
Abortion is clearly not an issue McCain that cares about, and he's not even interested in listening to his base.

Buyer Beware

22 posted on 08/14/2008 9:11:56 PM PDT by trumandogz
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To: Gordon Greene; Das Outsider

[... If our children are deceived it’s because they
either took advantage of free will, or that we failed
in training them up in the way they should go...]

I didn’t expect my comments to be understood. But I
was wrong.


23 posted on 08/14/2008 9:13:10 PM PDT by Jo Nuvark (Those who bless Israel will be blessed, those who curse Israel will be cursed. Gen 12:3)
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To: Alter Kaker
“The right-wing is not going anywhere. . . ."

If McCain picks a Ridge or a Giuliani, then THIS right-winger is "not going" . . . to work or donate or recommend or vote for McCain. I will write in Fred Thompson.

24 posted on 08/14/2008 9:13:29 PM PDT by Charles Henrickson (GO CUBS GO! RECREATE '08! 1908!)
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To: Alter Kaker

Obama is so bad, I’m considering voting for McCain even though he is an absolute disaster.

But if he chooses a pro-abortion running mate, forget it. I WILL NOT VOTE FOR SUCH A TICKET. Bad enough to have four years or eight years of McCain. Now they want to groom a pro-abort for the next run?

No.


25 posted on 08/14/2008 9:13:54 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: steve86

Kinda like-kills a baby.


26 posted on 08/14/2008 9:14:40 PM PDT by fatima
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To: Jo Nuvark

You’re in a losing battle trying to explain this one. You are exactly right, but it’s hard to fathom because our thinking is so nationalized.

It’s happened incrementally enough that even the most conservative can’t see it. We went from states rights to federal rights in a blink and I’m not sure there’s a way back out to complete personal responsibility.

I do take responsibility for myself, my family, my faith and my children... sounds like you do too.

The best we can do right now is to speak the truth and keep on leading... Your screen name says it all.


27 posted on 08/14/2008 9:15:55 PM PDT by Gordon Greene (www.fracturedrepublic.com)
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To: Jo Nuvark
I’m just saying this post Christian nation has no authority to decide if there is life in the womb.

I might probably have a stroke soon. Are you saying that the Supreme Court of the United States really has no moral authority over just what constitutes a human being? ;)

We’ve lost our way. Now that we are secular, let’s stick to nation management and leave moral instruction for parents.

But with management, we get a managerial class. Wait, we already have one. However, you're right that we should live our lives as Christians in the world, but not of it.

You and I know that there's really only one thing to depend upon.
28 posted on 08/14/2008 9:16:03 PM PDT by Das Outsider (They're here. Deport now. Pay less to Mexico.)
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To: trumandogz

“No Abortion Litmus Test for Vice President means No Abortion Litmus Test For a Supreme Court Justice.”

Very correct, but also, not big news to most of us.


29 posted on 08/14/2008 9:16:18 PM PDT by wastedpotential (McCain says I am an agent of intolerance, he's right - I can't tolerate liberal Republicans!)
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To: newberger

My guess is that McCain is polling in Pennsylvania now to see if Tom Ridge helps him. If it is yes, I think he will go ahead with the pick.

Ridge is going to be on Fox New Sunday with Chris Wallace . . .another screen test to see how he does.

I noticed that Eric Cantor actually loses votes for McCain in Virginia.


30 posted on 08/14/2008 9:16:28 PM PDT by WilliamReading
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To: wastedpotential

There is no way any Supreme Court nominee could get through the Democrat Senate if he announced he was pro-life. He has to keep quiet about it, like Roberts and Alito did.


31 posted on 08/14/2008 9:17:57 PM PDT by WilliamReading
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To: Alter Kaker

This is shocking!

That McCain has a base, that is.


32 posted on 08/14/2008 9:18:36 PM PDT by Joann37
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To: Jo Nuvark; Gordon Greene
I think I like this guy, but not in the contemporary mainstream entertainment media sense. The Lady might have a bit of a problem with that.

Nice to meet you, Mr. Greene.
33 posted on 08/14/2008 9:19:02 PM PDT by Das Outsider (They're here. Deport now. Pay less to Mexico.)
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To: trumandogz

“No Abortion Litmus Test for Vice President means No Abortion Litmus Test For a Supreme Court Justice.”

Excellent point.


34 posted on 08/14/2008 9:19:20 PM PDT by Joann37
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To: Jo Nuvark
I can only speak for myself, but I can't see it that way, anymore than I could see it that way if the federal government decided that euthanasia of the elderly or the handicapped was just peachy, or, looking back, if the federal government had decided in the critical moment that owning another human being was tolerable. At some point, on a very broad scale, morality is the government's business. I don't know just where the line starts,. but there is one. Otherwise, we're on a slippery slope of devaluing human life for all kinds of reasons.

If my choices from here on out are going to be between one liberal and another liberal, on so many issues but especially on that of the right to life for the innocent, I'll have to opt out of politics as a means of attempting to advance my worldview (which in at least certain ways, is all it is), and just turn inward. It's coming to that one day anyway.
35 posted on 08/14/2008 9:20:21 PM PDT by mrsmel
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To: Gordon Greene; Das Outsider

Hey Gordon... welcome to Free Republic.

Hey Das, some class just walked into the joint.


36 posted on 08/14/2008 9:21:05 PM PDT by Jo Nuvark (Those who bless Israel will be blessed, those who curse Israel will be cursed. Gen 12:3)
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To: Jo Nuvark

Outstanding post.


37 posted on 08/14/2008 9:21:52 PM PDT by eddie willers
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To: Alter Kaker

For McCain, it’s a political, not a moral decision. He needs to win the middle if he is to win the election. He figures he’s got the conservatives in his pocket (just like Obama has the liberals). They are both fighting over the middle undecideds.

In the end, McCain may choose a pro-life VP. But if he chooses a pro-abortion VP, part of the reason will be he thinks he will gain more votes in the middle than he will lose on the right.


38 posted on 08/14/2008 9:21:53 PM PDT by FFranco
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To: Charles Henrickson

Me too, I mean I’ll write in someone-but I won’t vote for anyone who supports the “right” to take innocent life. That’s it, and I think a so-called Republican candidate who has already asked conservatives to swallow so much, has a nerve to push this issue. It will be his bridge too far.


39 posted on 08/14/2008 9:22:28 PM PDT by mrsmel
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To: Das Outsider

Gracias, Senor Outsider... (Practicin’ for the reign of the Obamessiah)

And I appreciate the clarification. Glad to be here.


40 posted on 08/14/2008 9:22:54 PM PDT by Gordon Greene (www.fracturedrepublic.com)
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To: WilliamReading

“There is no way any Supreme Court nominee could get through the Democrat Senate if he announced he was pro-life. He has to keep quiet about it, like Roberts and Alito did.”

The issue for a justice is whether the supposed right to privacy (not found in the constitution) covers a women’s right to kill her own baby prior to delivery. Not only is Roe v Wade immoral it is also bad law. A justice need not say exactly how they would render on a possible new case, as they would prejudice themselves against potential cases without the facts.


41 posted on 08/14/2008 9:24:00 PM PDT by wastedpotential (McCain says I am an agent of intolerance, he's right - I can't tolerate liberal Republicans!)
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To: Alter Kaker; P-Marlowe
Pennsylvania Gov. Tom Ridge’s pro-abortion rights views wouldn’t necessarily rule him out quickly found their way into the in-boxes of Christian conservatives

The truth will be seen in the actual pick.

Everything else is just politics. Can anyone imagine any reason why McCain might want to be polite to Ridge?

42 posted on 08/14/2008 9:24:11 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain -- Those denying the War was Necessary Do NOT Support the Troops!)
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To: Alter Kaker

btt


43 posted on 08/14/2008 9:24:12 PM PDT by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: FFranco
He figures he’s got the conservatives in his pocket. . . .

That would be a major miscalculation. If there is one issue that would push conservatives over the edge, this is it.

44 posted on 08/14/2008 9:24:46 PM PDT by Charles Henrickson (GO CUBS GO! RECREATE '08! 1908!)
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To: Gordon Greene; Jo Nuvark
Gracias, Senor Outsider... (Practicin’ for the reign of the Obamessiah)

Do you find this eerie?
45 posted on 08/14/2008 9:25:01 PM PDT by Das Outsider (They're here. Deport now. Pay less to Mexico.)
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To: Das Outsider; Gordon Greene

[... Are you saying that the Supreme Court of the United States really has no moral authority over just what constitutes a human being?...]

Without the counsel of Scripture, the Supreme Court cannot be trusted to make moral decisions.

So the answer is yes.


46 posted on 08/14/2008 9:25:03 PM PDT by Jo Nuvark (Those who bless Israel will be blessed, those who curse Israel will be cursed. Gen 12:3)
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To: trumandogz
If you find a justice that is a strict constructionist you don't need an abortion litmus test.
47 posted on 08/14/2008 9:25:26 PM PDT by chaos_5
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To: trumandogz
No Abortion Litmus Test For a Supreme Court Justice.

McCain said nothing about judges, you are misrepresenting him.

The veep has no power to nominate judges.

Personally, I'm getting to the opinion Lieberman would be a good choice for veep. Provides the across the aisle cred to counter Obama, is a Jackson type Democrat, would not be able to run as either a Republican or Democrat in the 2012 primaries.

A McCain/Lieberman ticket would be the serious guys running against the amateurs. Palin and Jindahl are up and comers, but need more experience. Ridge is qualified but boring, and is a negative with Evangelicals, Pawlenty is OK, but nothing more, and Cantor whom I like is a bit of a crap shoot: Seems to offer no help in VA, but is a true conservative.

Romney seems to me like the real wildcard. Good campaigner, but with little magnetism, probably help in MI, UT, and CO, but then there's the Mormonism thing.

48 posted on 08/14/2008 9:25:26 PM PDT by jbarntt (Tagline:optional, printed after your name on post): -30-)
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To: Jo Nuvark

Thanks for the welcome. After the last couple of posts I’ve commented on, I’m just glad to see some God-fearin’ folks left on the conservative side.

Keep the faith (and share some too)!


49 posted on 08/14/2008 9:25:34 PM PDT by Gordon Greene (www.fracturedrepublic.com)
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To: Jo Nuvark
Without the counsel of Scripture, the Supreme Court cannot be trusted to make moral decisions. So the answer is yes.

Now I think you've graduated.
50 posted on 08/14/2008 9:26:43 PM PDT by Das Outsider (They're here. Deport now. Pay less to Mexico.)
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