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McCain alarms base with abortion comment
Politico ^ | 8/14/2008 | Jonathan Martin

Posted on 08/14/2008 8:54:39 PM PDT by Alter Kaker

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To: Jo Nuvark
You’ve been lurking on the beer thread again.Is there really a beer thread (redux)? ;)
101 posted on 08/14/2008 10:19:04 PM PDT by Das Outsider (They're here. Deport now. Pay less to Mexico.)
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To: Jo Nuvark
Morality is personal and none of the Government’s business

American republican governance turned on its head.

102 posted on 08/14/2008 10:19:09 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Reagan: "It's morning in America." - McCain Republicans: "It's night and you'll learn to like it!")
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To: Gordon Greene

[... I haven’t figured out how to send to more than one at a time...]

In the to line add a freeper name, then a comma.

Gordon Greene, Das Outsider, Jo Nuvark, Semaj, etc.


103 posted on 08/14/2008 10:20:46 PM PDT by Jo Nuvark (Those who bless Israel will be blessed, those who curse Israel will be cursed. Gen 12:3)
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To: Gordon Greene; Jo Nuvark
That was funny! I found this place after being on a site filled with liberal writers.

You worked for National Review Online?
104 posted on 08/14/2008 10:20:46 PM PDT by Das Outsider (They're here. Deport now. Pay less to Mexico.)
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To: Das Outsider

My gosh... now I gotta know the Kang’s Anglish!?!

In the immortal words of the great Homer (Simpson), Why do I need English? I’m never goin’ to England”.


105 posted on 08/14/2008 10:23:01 PM PDT by Gordon Greene (www.fracturedrepublic.com - God is our only hope!)
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To: Das Outsider

What the... was it the screen name that gave me away?


106 posted on 08/14/2008 10:24:55 PM PDT by Gordon Greene (www.fracturedrepublic.com - God is our only hope!)
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To: Gordon Greene
My gosh... now I gotta know the Kang’s Anglish!?!

Or the Jefe's Spanglish. Odds are, our king isn't going to be of Anglo-Saxon descent, so don't go practicing your Victorian, Early Modern English verb endings just yet.

In the immortal words of the great Homer (Simpson), Why do I need English? I’m never goin’ to England”.

In the immortal words of the original Homer, "You guys are so screwed."
107 posted on 08/14/2008 10:29:07 PM PDT by Das Outsider (They're here. Deport now. Pay less to Mexico.)
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To: Gordon Greene
What the... was it the screen name that gave me away?

You used the terms "liberal,""writers," and "site," so I followed up on a hunch. ;)

You don't exactly sound like a new convert from the Huffington Post, you know.
108 posted on 08/14/2008 10:31:53 PM PDT by Das Outsider (They're here. Deport now. Pay less to Mexico.)
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To: jbarntt
That is my opinion.

Which opinion is destroying our free republic.

Alienate the God-given right to life and you've destroyed the cornerstone of liberty.

109 posted on 08/14/2008 10:34:13 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Reagan: "It's morning in America." - McCain Republicans: "It's night and you'll learn to like it!")
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To: Das Outsider; Gordon Greene

GG: My gosh... now I gotta know the Kang’s Anglish!?!

DO: Or the Jefe’s Spanglish. Odds are, our king isn’t going to be of Anglo-Saxon descent, so don’t go practicing your Victorian, Early Modern English verb endings just yet.

GG: In the immortal words of the great Homer (Simpson), Why do I need English? I’m never goin’ to England”.

DO: In the immortal words of the original Homer, “You guys are so screwed.”

Mr. Nitro, meet Mr. Glycerin.

Did you really work for NRO?


110 posted on 08/14/2008 10:36:35 PM PDT by Jo Nuvark (Those who bless Israel will be blessed, those who curse Israel will be cursed. Gen 12:3)
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To: jbarntt
Just as I don't want New Yorker's to dictate to to me as an Oregonian, I do not wish to dictate to them

"Let the blood run in the streets, as long as it isn't my street."

Or something like that.

111 posted on 08/14/2008 10:37:27 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Reagan: "It's morning in America." - McCain Republicans: "It's night and you'll learn to like it!")
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To: Jo Nuvark; Gordon Greene
Since no one answered the question, here is the answer:

Q: Bill agitates the Budweiser. Explain. Hint: August.

A: William Shakespeare. Sound it out. The hint was a reference to "A Midsummer Night's Dream." Mid-August is still midsummer, isn't it?
112 posted on 08/14/2008 10:43:09 PM PDT by Das Outsider (They're here. Deport now. Pay less to Mexico.)
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To: Alter Kaker
Didn't surprise me one bit. I expected nothing less.

The only ones whose noses are out of joint about this seem to be the people who expect McCain to have these night-before-election-butterflies and suddenly do a double somersault behind himself and suddenly, *POOF* he's gonna be a conservative or a reasonable facsimile.

It AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN! He's a lib. He's always been a lib! He's always gonna BE a lib! He WANTS to be a lib! He LIKES being a lib!

And the McCainiacs wishful thinking ain't gonna change a single thing.

They seem to think that just because he ain't out in the left field fringe that he's better than Obama.

HE'S JUST ABOUT THE SAME AS OBAMA! What's it take to get through these people's heads? Except for possibly his military background and support, he's no different from Obama/Hillary.

He only runs as a Rep cause he can't get elected as a Dem.

113 posted on 08/14/2008 10:47:34 PM PDT by HeartlandOfAmerica (Don't blame me - I voted for Fred and am STILL a FredHead and will write him in!)
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To: Gordon Greene; Das Outsider; NFHale; semaj

I just bookmarked your website. http://www.fracturedrepublic.com/greene.html

That article about the Olympics and RAS-Putin’s
invasion of Soviet Georgia ... spot on! “Go World”
made me gag. I haven’t watched one bit of the
olympics because of that commercial. If I used
VISA I would cut up the card and mail it back to
them.

Chuck Missler has been predicting this for years.

Recently, I’ve been thinking the invasion of
Armageddon would be from the Chinese north because
they have a standing army of over 800 million.
But now that our entire military are in Iraq, (the
staging area for the return of our King), and the
Russian bear is back, me thinks it’s going to be
Russia from the north.

Still Watching. Looking for storm clouds and
listening for the trumpet.


114 posted on 08/14/2008 10:49:49 PM PDT by Jo Nuvark (Those who bless Israel will be blessed, those who curse Israel will be cursed. Gen 12:3)
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To: Alter Kaker

Let’s see now...amnesty for illegals, a pro-abortion VP, reaching across the aisle, etc...

Why should I vote for him???

Oh, yeah. He’s not Obama.


115 posted on 08/14/2008 10:50:05 PM PDT by Deo volente
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To: Alter Kaker
Here we're talking about a veep for a 72 year old President.

Yep, he's already older than his dad was when he died. A pro-death veep of McCain's would have a good chance of stepping up.

116 posted on 08/14/2008 10:50:55 PM PDT by Dick Holmes
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To: tioga
I am. The day McCain is Nominated, I'm sending in my paperwork to reaffiliate myself as an Independent until I decide what to do.

Ain't no way I'm voting for McCain. If we do, who the GOP gonna push at us next time? Linc Chaffee? Jim Jeffords?

No thanks.

117 posted on 08/14/2008 10:52:36 PM PDT by HeartlandOfAmerica (Don't blame me - I voted for Fred and am STILL a FredHead and will write him in!)
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To: Jo Nuvark; Gordon Greene
Did you really work for NRO?

The true test (though I'm doubtful because he seems to have made use of his opposable thumbs and speech capabilities): Ask him to bang on a typewriter day in and day out, hoping to produce "The Merchant of Venice" in a few thousand years.

I'm sorry: it seems I am preoccupied with the Infinite Monkey Theorem. ;)
118 posted on 08/14/2008 10:53:45 PM PDT by Das Outsider (They're here. Deport now. Pay less to Mexico.)
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To: Deo volente

pssst: Don’t forget global warming ... err climate change ... err the mini-ice age ... err whatever.


119 posted on 08/14/2008 10:53:59 PM PDT by HeartlandOfAmerica (Don't blame me - I voted for Fred and am STILL a FredHead and will write him in!)
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To: Das Outsider

Q: Bill agitates the Budweiser. Explain. Hint: August.

A: William Shakespeare. Sound it out. The hint was a reference to “A Midsummer Night’s Dream.” Mid-August is still midsummer, isn’t it?

Just a little more time and I would have figured it out... NOT! (scratching head)


120 posted on 08/14/2008 10:53:59 PM PDT by Jo Nuvark (Those who bless Israel will be blessed, those who curse Israel will be cursed. Gen 12:3)
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To: Jo Nuvark
" we have not been forced to kill our babies. Abortion statistics are staggering because we (yes, I mean Judeo-Christians) have chosen to murder our unborn."

"We have chosen?" Since I believe in the death penalty, I should probably execute myself, right?

THEY have chosen, and we have done a poor job of persuasion.

121 posted on 08/14/2008 10:54:38 PM PDT by cookcounty (Re Wm Ayers: 'sOKay ta be friends wid Da Ladykiller, cuz Da Mayr knowz um!)
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To: Das Outsider; Gordon Greene

[... I’m doubtful (Gordon worked for the NRO) because he
seems to have made use of his opposable thumbs and speech capabilities...]

Snort! But seriously. I like National Review.


122 posted on 08/14/2008 10:56:36 PM PDT by Jo Nuvark (Those who bless Israel will be blessed, those who curse Israel will be cursed. Gen 12:3)
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To: Deo volente

Only silver lining to Obama, if he wins, he won’t tarnish the Republican brand further. BHO could play Carter to our next Reagan.


123 posted on 08/14/2008 10:57:03 PM PDT by Dick Holmes
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To: Jo Nuvark
Just a little more time and I would have figured it out... NOT! (scratching head)

It's one of those funny little Mensa quiz questions.
124 posted on 08/14/2008 10:57:22 PM PDT by Das Outsider (They're here. Deport now. Pay less to Mexico.)
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To: Jo Nuvark
I like National Review.

Let me guess, you only read it for the articles.
125 posted on 08/14/2008 10:58:09 PM PDT by Das Outsider (They're here. Deport now. Pay less to Mexico.)
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To: Dick Holmes
"BHO could play Carter to our next Reagan."

..... or he could play Woodrow Wilson to our next Harding..... :^(

I don't like to place my hopes in getting off easy with a 1-term Obambi followed by a new Reagan who we cannot yet identify.

126 posted on 08/14/2008 10:59:16 PM PDT by Enchante (Obama-cons: Trying to fool America, one media dupe at a time!)
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To: HeartlandOfAmerica
pssst: Don’t forget global warming ... err climate change ... err the mini-ice age ... err whatever.

I can't believe we're stuck with this disaster as the nominee.
127 posted on 08/14/2008 11:01:49 PM PDT by Deo volente
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To: Das Outsider; Gordon Greene

[... Let me guess, you only read NRO for the articles...]

I have this cute little yellow spa ducky that has
a thermometer up it’s ducky butt. I named him
William F. Duckley. Does that answer your question?


128 posted on 08/14/2008 11:03:07 PM PDT by Jo Nuvark (Those who bless Israel will be blessed, those who curse Israel will be cursed. Gen 12:3)
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To: Alter Kaker
Ridge would be a horrible choice.
129 posted on 08/14/2008 11:04:24 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (Grovelnator Schwarzenkaiser, fashionable fascism one charade at a time.)
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To: Das Outsider; Gordon Greene

Aha... Mensa. How smart could you be if you forgot
that I only have a slightly above average intelligence?

Hmmmm?


130 posted on 08/14/2008 11:05:14 PM PDT by Jo Nuvark (Those who bless Israel will be blessed, those who curse Israel will be cursed. Gen 12:3)
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To: Jo Nuvark
"Abortion statistics are staggering because we (yes, I mean Judeo-Christians) have chosen to murder our unborn. "

I humbly disagree- Judeo-Christians don't murder their babies, Democrats murder their babies.

131 posted on 08/14/2008 11:11:26 PM PDT by matthew fuller (I'm John McCain, and I hereby repudiate and disavow all Republican and Conservative values.)
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To: Jo Nuvark

How interesting and insightful you bring up the point that our nation was founded and organized into law under the Judeo Christian value system. These days it’s bad if you mention the word Jesus but it is good if you talk about the Gay Rights parade and legalized status of Gay marriage. That is what our national leaders are focused on?!?


132 posted on 08/14/2008 11:11:54 PM PDT by iThinkBig
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To: mrsmel

Already voting Ron Paul. McCain is an economic mental dwarf.


133 posted on 08/14/2008 11:13:12 PM PDT by iThinkBig
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To: mrsmel

Already voting Ron Paul. McCain is an economic mental dwarf.


134 posted on 08/14/2008 11:13:13 PM PDT by iThinkBig
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To: Jo Nuvark
I have this cute little yellow spa ducky that has a thermometer up it’s ducky butt.

So your duck is considering an editorial position with NR?

I named him William F. Duckley. Does that answer your question?

Not really. When Bill Buckley still ran the magazine in a meaningful capacity, things were at least a bit better than they are now. The late William F. Buckley, Jr. was a greater man than these hacks that are running National Review now.

The dream team of National Review editors and columnists, i.e., Burnham, Sobran, Williamson, and the like, left for more independent conservative ventures.

NR is now comprised of neocon toaster shakings.
135 posted on 08/14/2008 11:15:07 PM PDT by Das Outsider (They're here. Deport now. Pay less to Mexico.)
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To: Jo Nuvark
Aha... Mensa. How smart could you be if you forgot that I only have a slightly above average intelligence?

You don't speak Esperanto, do you? ;)
136 posted on 08/14/2008 11:16:18 PM PDT by Das Outsider (They're here. Deport now. Pay less to Mexico.)
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To: jbarntt

That is close to my point. I specifically stated it was not about abortion. What it was about was that individuals and states have more rights than merely those enumerated in the Constitution.

Those who hold individuals only have rights enumerated in the Constitution are depriving individuals of their rights. Therefore, we may have a right to privacy, even though it is not enumerated in the Constitution. The original poster implied the opposite.

I agree with you that if Roe vs. Wade is overturned, then the situtation will revert to what it was prior, ie, the legality of abortion would depend on the individual states.


137 posted on 08/14/2008 11:16:33 PM PDT by FFranco
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To: jbarntt

Wouldn’t disagree. But is Joe still stuck on carbon credits? That little trick to attempt to tax the global citizen to pay for the boomer deficit benefits shortall to the tune of $2 T is extremely offensive to me. Other ways to keep our promises (which should never had been made in the first place). Those choices are hard, but staying on our current economic monetary policy is madness. It’s forcing the debt on the entire Middle Class through inflation and destroying this group while destroying the boomer pension and SS in the process.


138 posted on 08/14/2008 11:16:40 PM PDT by iThinkBig
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To: mnehrling
Wow, I'm glad we have the MSM to honestly, with no bias, tell us what a candidate means when they say something.. I mean jeeze.. if it weren't for the MSM, the letters VP wouldn't be found anywhere in McCain's statement... boy, I'm sure glad I don't have to think for myself.. just trust the MSM...

You know I have been seeing nonsense posts like this ever since these reports ABOUT WHAT MCCAIN HIMSELF HAD STATED.

"McCain’s comments Wednesday to the Weekly Standard’s Stephen Hayes that former Pennsylvania Gov. Tom Ridge’s pro-abortion rights views wouldn’t necessarily rule him out quickly found their way into the in-boxes of Christian conservatives"

It isn't the MSM telling us this, it is the Weekly Standard, a conservative web-site and magazine reporting what MCCAIN HIMSELF STATED.

What part of this is so hard for you to understand?
139 posted on 08/14/2008 11:20:04 PM PDT by SoConPubbie (GOP: If you reward bad behavior all you get is more bad behavior.)
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To: Jo Nuvark

I don’t know. The ultimate ramifications of your position get pretty bizarre.

Penalties for theft are moral in nature. Enforcement of contracts are moral in nature. Penalty for kidnap is moral in nature, as are laws against all forms of child abuse and neglect. To just leave the one form of child abuse known as abortion out of the equation seems inconsistent.

Or would we just allow people to do whatever they want to kids in your “nation management” strategy? I’d hope not.


140 posted on 08/14/2008 11:35:50 PM PDT by Marie2 (Everything the left does has the effect and intent of destroying the traditional family.)
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To: matthew fuller; Das Outsider; Gordon Greene; cookcounty

[... Judeo-Christians don’t murder their babies, Democrats murder their babies...]

I’m sorry, but Chritians ARE murdering their babies.
I know someone who worked for Planned Parenthood in
the 80’s. Over 70% check the Judeo Christian box on
their medical form.

My church is full of forgiven murderers. We (the church)
have blood on our hands.

You cannot blame them (the Democrats) when we murder.
Government may have made abortion legal, but that doesn’t
mean it’s moral. God says that abortion is murder. Blaming
Democrats when we choose to kill is as ridiculous as
blaming the gun instead of the person who pulls the trigger.


141 posted on 08/14/2008 11:38:00 PM PDT by Jo Nuvark (Those who bless Israel will be blessed, those who curse Israel will be cursed. Gen 12:3)
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To: Das Outsider; Gordon Greene

Funny you should mention Esperanto.

We had the author (inventor?) of Esperanto as a guest in our
home when I was a young girl. He gave me his book
and signed it. He also told me how to speak esperanto.
It has very few rules and is easy to understand.
Too bad it didn’t catch. Seemed like a wonderful global
language. But then, God wouldn’t have blessed it.


142 posted on 08/14/2008 11:42:04 PM PDT by Jo Nuvark (Those who bless Israel will be blessed, those who curse Israel will be cursed. Gen 12:3)
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To: mnehrling

If McCain goes ahead and picks a VP that favors murdering children, many people will thoroughly enjoy throwing your words in your face.


143 posted on 08/14/2008 11:45:27 PM PDT by Grunthor (Dems want to destroy America, Republicans just want to be Dems.)
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To: Das Outsider; Gordon Greene

OK... I see that I’m going to have to dig out
my Esperanto book and see who that man was who
authored it. It was obviously NOT L. L. Zamenhof.
He died in 1917. Our visitor was from some Russian
European country and he was the same age as my parents.
I was maybe ten years old (1964).


144 posted on 08/14/2008 11:48:26 PM PDT by Jo Nuvark (Those who bless Israel will be blessed, those who curse Israel will be cursed. Gen 12:3)
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To: Jo Nuvark

I worked for a Crisis Pregnancy Center in the 1990s, for three years actually.

Those who were considering abortion and said they were “Christians” were not Christians in any form most of us would recognize. They weren’t members of a church, did not read their Bibles, were having sex outside of marriage, etc. I am not painting with a brush of assumption here - when I had a confessing Christian in the counseling room consider abortion, I’d ask them these questions. Generally these young women considered themselves Christians because a parent or grandparent was, or they’d been baptized, or they had attended a church sometime in their lives. It was like a cultural statement.

In the three years I worked at the CPC, I know of only one consistently Christian woman who had an abortion. She was Asian, had been seduced by her youth “pastor” (who wanted her to abort the evidence) and was under tremendous pressure from her parents. She resisted for about six weeks and then succumbed to the pressure.

She had actually been a volunteer. I never saw her again after that.

For that matter, only three married women that I counseled ever aborted.

So who’s aborting? Non-church attending single girls and young women, usually. Pretty much the same folks who have a lot of sex outside of marriage.


145 posted on 08/14/2008 11:49:28 PM PDT by Marie2 (Everything the left does has the effect and intent of destroying the traditional family.)
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To: Marie2

Thank you for your work in the Crisis Pregnancy Center.
Do you know Gida? Living Well?

I recognize that many who say they are Christian are really
cultural christians. However I know women who chose
abortion because they believed that the Government’s
decision agreed with God. That is to say if the Government
says it is OK, it must be moral. There lies the confusion.


146 posted on 08/14/2008 11:59:30 PM PDT by Jo Nuvark (Those who bless Israel will be blessed, those who curse Israel will be cursed. Gen 12:3)
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To: Jo Nuvark
"I’m sorry, but Chritians ARE murdering their babies. I know someone who worked for Planned Parenthood in the 80’s. Over 70% check the Judeo Christian box on their medical form. "

Checking a box on a medical (insurance?) form does not make one a Christian. Murdering a baby is evidence that the person is not a Christian, despite the attitudes of many US churches to the contrary. The Baptist Church is anti-abortion, as is the Catholic Church, the Orthodox Presbyterian Church, and possibly some others that I missed. The United Methodist Church was peachy-keen with Partial Birth Abortion before 2000. They even wrote letters of support to Clinton when he veto'ed legislation banning the barbaric practice TWICE. Many others are really accepting of abortion, going as far as paying for preachers wives' abortions under their medical insurance. In my humble opinion, these churches are not really Christian.

147 posted on 08/15/2008 12:06:27 AM PDT by matthew fuller (I'm John McCain, and I hereby repudiate and disavow all Republican and Conservative values.)
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To: Jo Nuvark

No, I don’t know Gida or Living Well.

My time at the CPC was the most rewarding job I ever had. I hope to do it again when my kids are grown.

I think the oft-repeated statement that it’s the Christians who are having the most abortions is a canard to discourage us. Certainly some Christians do abort, but in my experience, it’s a tiny minority. I suppose it can vary from region to region.

Many Christian girls who are pregnant out of wedlock do panic initially. At those vulnerable times they are subject to exploitation by abortion “counselors.” I am so glad the CPCs are here to minister to them.

Most ultimately follow their conscience and their Lord and carry the child. The churches and families I have worked with have been almost always supportive, much to my relief. Sadly, there have been exceptions there as well.


148 posted on 08/15/2008 12:10:32 AM PDT by Marie2 (Everything the left does has the effect and intent of destroying the traditional family.)
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To: Jo Nuvark
I believe that Government is not to blame for this wholesale slaughter of the innocent

Not me. I blame feminism and a few murdering doctors.

Feminism has killed more worldwide thru abortion than Stalin, Mao, Hitler and Pol Pot coulda dreamed of.

sorta ruins that kinder gentler myth

149 posted on 08/15/2008 12:13:13 AM PDT by wardaddy ("Cause my grey hair just can't cover up my redneck.")
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To: Jo Nuvark
But the battleground for the unborn should be waged from the home (church), not the Supreme Court!

When the courts forbid the states from protecting human life, we should indeed agitate against that decision.

150 posted on 08/15/2008 12:18:36 AM PDT by iowamark ("not smart enough to make it as a writer, not pretty enough to model or act")
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