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McCain alarms base with abortion comment
Politico ^ | 8/14/2008 | Jonathan Martin

Posted on 08/14/2008 8:54:39 PM PDT by Alter Kaker

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To: Das Outsider

You mean that I left off the accent marks, or that I wrote that without noticing your tag-line?


51 posted on 08/14/2008 9:28:18 PM PDT by Gordon Greene (www.fracturedrepublic.com)
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To: jbarntt
The veep has no power to nominate judges.

Are you kidding? The odds of a veep succeeding any President are very high. Here we're talking about a veep for a 72 year old President. If McCain nominates a pro-abort like Lieberman, he'll be throwing the entire pro-life movement under the wheels of the Straight Talk Express.

52 posted on 08/14/2008 9:29:29 PM PDT by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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To: jbarntt

Unless Timmy screws up, the VP will be Pawlenty.

However, it is obvious from McCain’s statements that he does not find the Pro Abortion Agenda objectionable.


53 posted on 08/14/2008 9:30:28 PM PDT by trumandogz
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To: jbarntt
Romney was my second choice after Thompson--I voted for Mitt in the Missouri primary. I give Romney the benefit of the doubt on the abortion issue. I believe Mormonism is a false religion, non-Christian, but that would not prevent me from voting for him, as I see no evidence that it would affect his governing.

Lieberman? No way. Like Ridge or Giuliani, a deal-breaker for me.

54 posted on 08/14/2008 9:31:28 PM PDT by Charles Henrickson (GO CUBS GO! RECREATE '08! 1908!)
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To: Alter Kaker; Gordon Greene; mngran2; trumandogz

I am anti abortion. I want for it to be illegal for any portion of our government to support any organization such as Planned Parenthood. If a doctor determines that the mother will suffer irreparable damage should she go full term with the pregnancy then I think it should be legal for the baby to be removed.


55 posted on 08/14/2008 9:31:31 PM PDT by B4Ranch (Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you---John Steinbeck)
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To: eddie willers; Das Outsider; Gordon Greene; Westbrook; steve86; Marie2; mrsmel

Thank you Eddie.

Teach your children well.
Your grandchildren will
thank you.


56 posted on 08/14/2008 9:33:03 PM PDT by Jo Nuvark (Those who bless Israel will be blessed, those who curse Israel will be cursed. Gen 12:3)
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To: Jo Nuvark
I believe that the Government is a business and should be run as a business.

Our government (U.S.) was initially designed as an implement (tool) by which to help govern a society of free, sovereign peoples who happened to live in America. By no means was it set up to "conduct business" as you mistakenly assume. The sole purpose of government is to protect members of society from outside forces and from time to time each other, when certain members of society stray outside of the agreed-to contract with each other. Governments established by and operated by imperfect men and women, are prone to, and inherently evil, although a necessarily so.

I do not worship at the alter of government, and neither should anyone else. Instead, government should be looked upon with a suspicious eye, and constant vigilance against tyranny and corruption. After all, and I paraphrase a great Frenchman, "America did not become great because of its government, it became, and remained great because its people were good" (DeTocqueville).

57 posted on 08/14/2008 9:33:15 PM PDT by semaj (Just shoot the bastards! * Your results may vary. Void where prohibited.)
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To: Gordon Greene; Das Outsider

Funny you should mention the folk around here.
Das and I have just been discussing the tone on
the threads lately. Unlike Obama, you give me hope.


58 posted on 08/14/2008 9:35:20 PM PDT by Jo Nuvark (Those who bless Israel will be blessed, those who curse Israel will be cursed. Gen 12:3)
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To: Das Outsider

You’re killing me brother.

I posted those remarks a couple of years
ago on Free Republic and got shredded.


59 posted on 08/14/2008 9:36:53 PM PDT by Jo Nuvark (Those who bless Israel will be blessed, those who curse Israel will be cursed. Gen 12:3)
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To: Gordon Greene; Jo Nuvark
You mean that I left off the accent marks, or that I wrote that without noticing your tag-line?

We will not tolerate your anti-grave accent bigotry, gringo.

Jo, you understand the joke now. The difference is that I referred to a one-hundred percent chance of getting an amnesty president. Brush up on your Spanglish.
60 posted on 08/14/2008 9:37:05 PM PDT by Das Outsider (They're here. Deport now. Pay less to Mexico.)
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To: Nonstatist
scumbag is more like it. scarface, yeah, that's the (GOP) ticket. sheesh.

96% of Free Republic knows and is on record through polling, about this guy...I dont expect he will poll that many conservative votes this year, if folks have an alternative.

61 posted on 08/14/2008 9:38:02 PM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (Men Who Died in Wars For Our Voting Rights Also Did So For The Right To Vote Indie-Conservative?)
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To: semaj; Jo Nuvark
After all, and I paraphrase a great Frenchman, "America did not become great because of its government, it became, and remained great because its people were good" (DeTocqueville).

A student of Tocqueville? Your hope may not be in vain, Jo. ;)
62 posted on 08/14/2008 9:38:42 PM PDT by Das Outsider (They're here. Deport now. Pay less to Mexico.)
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To: indylindy; calcowgirl; djsherin; Sunnyflorida; SoConPubbie; Sybeck1; Ricebug; ...

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63 posted on 08/14/2008 9:38:49 PM PDT by rabscuttle385 ("When you can't make them see the light, make them feel the heat." Ronald Reagan)
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To: wastedpotential

The issue for a justice is whether the supposed right to privacy (not found in the constitution)


This is not in defence of abortion, but individuals have rights not enumerated in the Constitution. That is recognized in the ninth and tenth amendments:

Ninth Amendment: The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

Tenth Amendment: The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.

The founders feared that some would argue that if a right was not listed in the Constitution, then it was not a right possessed by individuals and could be taken by the state. That is an argument that conservatives must deny.


64 posted on 08/14/2008 9:39:09 PM PDT by FFranco
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To: Jo Nuvark
[... Are you saying that the Supreme Court of the United States really has no moral authority over just what constitutes a human being?...]

Without the counsel of Scripture, the Supreme Court cannot be trusted to make moral decisions.

Being an originalist, I do not think the SCOTUS should be making moral decisions, that's what the liberal "living document" types do.

The job of the court is to look to the constitution, as written. They do not need any moral guidance, either from "evolving standards of decency", or the Bible. It ain't their job.

If this is a problem, then it is a problem in the Constitution, and as an originalist, the Constitution is clear on how it can be changed.

I don't want nine black robed judges handing down word on high about morality. That's a liberal notion. Follow the constitution, as written, or change the parts unliked via amendment.

65 posted on 08/14/2008 9:39:35 PM PDT by jbarntt (Tagline:optional, printed after your name on post): -30-)
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To: Jo Nuvark

Not to beat a dead horse, but I was wondering last night if I was on the wrong site. It’s amazing to me that a site so obviously God-focused (per mr. robinson) has attracted so many God-hating conservatives.

I love the discourse here and absolutely expect people to disagree at times, but it sometimes feels like the site is being invaded by... oh... well, I reckon that could be the case.

I guess there better be more of us than there are of them. Or maybe we just need a big God on our side.

God is our hope... Thank you and Das for the encouragement.


66 posted on 08/14/2008 9:41:10 PM PDT by Gordon Greene (www.fracturedrepublic.com - God is our only hope!)
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To: semaj; Das Outsider; Gordon Greene

[... I do not worship at the alter of government, and neither should anyone else. Instead, government should be looked upon with a suspicious eye, and constant vigilance against tyranny and corruption. After all, and I paraphrase a great Frenchman, “America did not become great because of its government, it became, and remained great because its people were good” (DeTocqueville)...]

Wonderful quote.

Thank you for clarifying my remarks. I will make some changes to that piece. By business I mean that our government (like the rest of us) should keep a balanced checkbook.


67 posted on 08/14/2008 9:41:46 PM PDT by Jo Nuvark (Those who bless Israel will be blessed, those who curse Israel will be cursed. Gen 12:3)
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To: Das Outsider

Si, Amigo.

Muchas Gracias (That’s “much grass” for those of you who took the time to inhale).


68 posted on 08/14/2008 9:44:02 PM PDT by Gordon Greene (www.fracturedrepublic.com - God is our only hope!)
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To: Jo Nuvark
Thank you for clarifying my remarks. I will make some changes to that piece. By business I mean that our government (like the rest of us) should keep a balanced checkbook.

And pick up "Democracy in America" while you're at it. ;)
69 posted on 08/14/2008 9:45:18 PM PDT by Das Outsider (They're here. Deport now. Pay less to Mexico.)
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To: Alter Kaker

Just wanted to drop by and see if any of the mug whores are attacking the pro-Life crowd for “holding onto their precious principles”.


70 posted on 08/14/2008 9:47:12 PM PDT by JoJo Gunn (The McCainiac's creed: Death to America by a thousand cuts)
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To: Jo Nuvark

I understand your comments. I disagree.


71 posted on 08/14/2008 9:47:18 PM PDT by Patriotic1 (Dic mihi solum facta, domina - Just the facts, ma'am)
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To: Alter Kaker

If he picks a pro-abortionist for Veep, it would be hard for me to justify any level of support for his candidacy. It’s going to be pretty hard to get enthused about this race then.

But I hope he doesn’t do that.


72 posted on 08/14/2008 9:47:24 PM PDT by Ben Reyes
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To: Gordon Greene
Muchas Gracias (That’s “much grass” for those of you who took the time to inhale).

Much Bono, Senior. ;)

Viva la Migra!
73 posted on 08/14/2008 9:48:49 PM PDT by Das Outsider (They're here. Deport now. Pay less to Mexico.)
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To: Gordon Greene

By the way... I’m not sure if anybody answered back, but the Supreme Court has NO moral authority to decide what constitutes anything except as it pertains to the constitution.

And if the Constitution says that “All men (mankind) are created equal” it implies both a Creator and individual worth in one tiny bite-sized phrase. Therefore, the only thing the Supreme’s (I love that group) should be making a ruling on is the context and meaning of that statement.

And the only logical conclusion they could come to is that ABORTION IS MURDER!!!

I wish folks would think before they start tearing your statement down... lotta wisdom there.


74 posted on 08/14/2008 9:51:06 PM PDT by Gordon Greene (www.fracturedrepublic.com - God is our only hope!)
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To: Das Outsider; semaj; Gordon Greene

[... A student of Tocqueville? Your hope may not be in vain...]

Si Senior. Es Mui Bueno.

Seems like the shiprats have found another home.
Let’s embrace these kind brethren and make them
feel welcome. Perhaps they’ll stay a while and
then the good ship Free Republic will once more
be known for its gentility and the gentlemanly art
of persuasion.


75 posted on 08/14/2008 9:53:02 PM PDT by Jo Nuvark (Those who bless Israel will be blessed, those who curse Israel will be cursed. Gen 12:3)
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To: Jo Nuvark

Still the newbie... how ‘bout that last super-intelligent, well thought out statement I sent to myself was supposed to go to you.

Doh!


76 posted on 08/14/2008 9:53:44 PM PDT by Gordon Greene (www.fracturedrepublic.com - God is our only hope!)
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To: Gordon Greene
And if the Constitution says that “All men (mankind) are created equal”

Nowhere in the Constitution does it say "All men are created equal."

77 posted on 08/14/2008 9:54:16 PM PDT by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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To: Alter Kaker

Nowhere in the Constitution does it say “All men are created equal.”


Yes, I was just going to point that out.


78 posted on 08/14/2008 9:55:52 PM PDT by FFranco
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To: Gordon Greene

Heh! Heh!


79 posted on 08/14/2008 9:57:16 PM PDT by Jo Nuvark (Those who bless Israel will be blessed, those who curse Israel will be cursed. Gen 12:3)
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To: Jo Nuvark
Seems like the shiprats have found another home. Let’s embrace these kind brethren and make them feel welcome. Perhaps they’ll stay a while and then the good ship Free Republic will once more be known for its gentility and the gentlemanly art of persuasion.

Um, let's see--somewhat literate people that don't think in bumper sticker slogans and soundbites, or the "Bomb Russia or Else," groupthink, angry liberals-in-denial crowd.

It's a toss-up. ;)
80 posted on 08/14/2008 9:58:40 PM PDT by Das Outsider (They're here. Deport now. Pay less to Mexico.)
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To: Alter Kaker

How ‘bout that there Declaration thingie!

Sorry... public edumacated in Alabamy. Even rednecks mis-speak now and again.

I sincerely appreciate the catch, my friend.


81 posted on 08/14/2008 9:58:52 PM PDT by Gordon Greene (www.fracturedrepublic.com - God is our only hope!)
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To: Jo Nuvark

If only the government (in the form of the graduates of the Blackburn Supreme Court Med School class of 1973) hadn’t unconditionally licensed the murderers and protect them from even the slightest limits.

No matter how well we teach our children, they’re exposed to the creeping changes in expectations - sex-plus, comprehensive sex ed, “take care of it,” all piled on top of the old double standard that is worse than ever.

Pray for our nation and our babies of all ages.


82 posted on 08/14/2008 9:59:54 PM PDT by hocndoc (http://www.LifeEthics.org (I have a mustard seed and I'm not afraid to use it.))
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To: Gordon Greene; Das Outsider; semaj

[... God is our hope ...]

Indeed. And God is big enough to handle the mess we’ve gotten ourselves into Ollie.


83 posted on 08/14/2008 10:00:30 PM PDT by Jo Nuvark (Those who bless Israel will be blessed, those who curse Israel will be cursed. Gen 12:3)
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To: Alter Kaker
Nowhere in the Constitution does it say "All men are created equal."

Nope, it surely doesn't. Declaration literalists seem to be confused.

Impeach George III! ;)
84 posted on 08/14/2008 10:02:02 PM PDT by Das Outsider (They're here. Deport now. Pay less to Mexico.)
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To: jbarntt

“Personally, I’m getting to the opinion Lieberman would be a good choice for veep. “

It would be a lonely opinion on FR. Lieberman is a liberal Democrat. It would be a slap in the face to the whole Republican party.

There is ZERO chance of that happening.


85 posted on 08/14/2008 10:02:16 PM PDT by WOSG (http://no-bama.blogspot.com/ - NObama, stop the Hype and Chains candidate)
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To: Das Outsider; Gordon Greene

[... Um, let’s see—somewhat literate people that don’t think in bumper sticker slogans and soundbites, or the “Bomb Russia or Else,” groupthink, angry liberals-in-denial crowd...]

Listen buddy. I want to wear these rose colored glasses just a little while longer. You hear me?


86 posted on 08/14/2008 10:03:53 PM PDT by Jo Nuvark (Those who bless Israel will be blessed, those who curse Israel will be cursed. Gen 12:3)
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To: Jo Nuvark

You nailed it.


87 posted on 08/14/2008 10:05:32 PM PDT by afnamvet
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To: Jo Nuvark; Gordon Greene
I don't care what Jo Nuvark says, I still like this FR newbie. ;)

If I didn't say it in a roundabout way earlier, welcome to FR, Mr. Greene. We'll be in touch.
88 posted on 08/14/2008 10:06:18 PM PDT by Das Outsider (They're here. Deport now. Pay less to Mexico.)
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To: FFranco

Dittos on the catch...

“And Gordon, silent walked into yon even’,
Face withdrawn, head hung low in shame,
Misspoken, not misquoted Now, alas,
All cry upon the mention of his name.

Oh, such a step should ne’er be forgiven,
Betraying what this nation rests upon,
So, quietly into the night he’s driven,
For nothing can be done to right this wrong.”

Meanwhile, back at the ranch... Obama wins in a landslide!


89 posted on 08/14/2008 10:06:45 PM PDT by Gordon Greene (www.fracturedrepublic.com - God is our only hope!)
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To: hocndoc; Das Outsider; Gordon Greene; semaj

[... No matter how well we teach our children, they’re exposed to the creeping changes in expectations - sex-plus, comprehensive sex ed, “take care of it,” all piled on top of the old double standard that is worse than ever.
Pray for our nation and our babies of all ages...]

If you are faithful to God, He will be faithful
to you. Teach God’s truth. Like leaven, truth
multiplies. Test Him in this and see.


90 posted on 08/14/2008 10:07:53 PM PDT by Jo Nuvark (Those who bless Israel will be blessed, those who curse Israel will be cursed. Gen 12:3)
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To: Jo Nuvark
Listen buddy. I want to wear these rose colored glasses just a little while longer. You hear me?

Or perhaps you've confused them with beer goggles.
91 posted on 08/14/2008 10:08:02 PM PDT by Das Outsider (They're here. Deport now. Pay less to Mexico.)
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To: Gordon Greene; Das Outsider; semaj; NFHale

Gordon Greene RAWKS!


92 posted on 08/14/2008 10:09:49 PM PDT by Jo Nuvark (Those who bless Israel will be blessed, those who curse Israel will be cursed. Gen 12:3)
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To: hocndoc

Have you taken your children out of public school?((((Hugs)))),Fatima


93 posted on 08/14/2008 10:10:35 PM PDT by fatima
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To: FFranco
This is not in defence of abortion, but individuals have rights not enumerated in the Constitution. That is recognized in the ninth and tenth amendments: Ninth Amendment: The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people. Tenth Amendment: The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people. The founders feared that some would argue that if a right was not listed in the Constitution, then it was not a right possessed by individuals and could be taken by the state. That is an argument that conservatives must deny.

Your post seems somewhat unclear to me. The amendments you refer to would seem to suggest that abortion is not an issue for the federal government, but rather the states, meaning that Roe v. Wade should be overturned and the issue decided by each of the 50 states.

That is my opinion. Just as I don't want New Yorker's to dictate to to me as an Oregonian, I do not wish to dictate to them. This seems to me to be the conservative position, follow the constitution and where the federal government has no authority, the states do.

94 posted on 08/14/2008 10:10:58 PM PDT by jbarntt (Tagline:optional, printed after your name on post): -30-)
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To: Das Outsider
That was funny! I found this place after being on a site filled with liberal writers. Lots of creativity, but no depth. You guys are a riot, good writers and deep. It's good to be home (by the way; no I haven't figured out how to send to more than one at a time).
95 posted on 08/14/2008 10:11:56 PM PDT by Gordon Greene (www.fracturedrepublic.com - God is our only hope!)
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To: afnamvet; Das Outsider; NFHale; semaj; Gordon Greene

God bless you 7th Air Force.

Read the entire thread. There
is a wonderful tone of civility
here tonight that I haven’t seen
in many months.


96 posted on 08/14/2008 10:13:39 PM PDT by Jo Nuvark (Those who bless Israel will be blessed, those who curse Israel will be cursed. Gen 12:3)
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To: Das Outsider

Beer Goggles???

You’ve been lurking on the beer thread again.


97 posted on 08/14/2008 10:16:37 PM PDT by Jo Nuvark (Those who bless Israel will be blessed, those who curse Israel will be cursed. Gen 12:3)
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To: Alter Kaker

BTTT!


98 posted on 08/14/2008 10:16:51 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Alter Kaker

I will NEVER vote for a VP who is pro-abortion. I WILL sit out this election if he picks one. This better not come to pass or I would even withdraw from the Republican Party.


99 posted on 08/14/2008 10:17:06 PM PDT by tioga
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To: Jo Nuvark; Gordon Greene
Gordon Greene RAWKS!

While he may RAWK!, there is the matter of the English Lit purity test, you know.

It is as follows:

Bill agitates the Budweiser. Explain. Hint: August.
100 posted on 08/14/2008 10:18:05 PM PDT by Das Outsider (They're here. Deport now. Pay less to Mexico.)
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