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AP photo confirms Obama registered as an Indonesian citizen with Islam faith?
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Posted on 08/15/2008 3:00:51 PM PDT by maccaca

18 months ago: This registration document, made available on Jan. 24, 2007, by the Fransiskus Assisi school in Jakarta, Indonesia, shows the registration of Barack Obama under the name Barry Soetoro into the Catholic school made by his step-father, Lolo Soetoro. The document lists Barry Soetoro as a Indonesian citizen, born on August 4, 1961 in Honolulu, and shows his Muslim step-father listed the boy's religion as Islam.(AP Photo/ Tatan Syuflana)



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KEYWORDS: barrysoetoro; certifigate; colbaquiddic; husseinobama; indonesiancandidate; obama; obamafamily; soetoro
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To: maccaca

Its so laughable that 7 years after 9/11 the best the DNC can run is a Indonesian, Coke Snorting con man with multiple aliases and is 48 years old but written TWO autobiographies yet has accomplished absolutely nothing in his life.


51 posted on 08/15/2008 5:44:42 PM PDT by omega4179 (B.Hussein Keep the change!)
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To: omega4179
Even more laughable, but in an ironic and sad way, is that said con man stands so decent a shot at winning the Presidency.

God's judgment is coming? Looks to me, from this ovine quality in the electorate, that it may be already here.
52 posted on 08/15/2008 5:49:18 PM PDT by Category Four (Joy, Fun, the Joke Proper, and Flippancy ... Flippancy is the best of all.)
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To: maccaca

Well there you go the Muslims think he is a Muslim... therefore the country would be less safe with him as President as it gives cause to the Radical Muslims to kill him and his follower (US) because he is Murtadd....


53 posted on 08/15/2008 5:49:29 PM PDT by Typical_Whitey (Prepare to do your time as corvee labor on the Plantation of Barrack and Michelle Obama.)
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To: philled
Islamism (it's a politic, not a religion) .. is convenient.

They use it when it suits them, and don't when it doesn't.

Them?

Little anti-Christs.

54 posted on 08/15/2008 5:53:44 PM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true.)
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To: philled
re: I’ve often wondered why if Obambi is/was a Muslim, why haven’t the more extreme Islamocrazies been issuing fatwas against him?

That is a good question. However, maybe a better question is, “Why in the world are so many of the Muslims around the world supporting Obama for the Presidency of the United States?” I don't know the entire answer to it, but I do know that they are not afraid of Obama’s so-called Christianity. They do not see his goals as in opposition to their own.

55 posted on 08/15/2008 5:56:20 PM PDT by Nevadan
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To: muawiyah

Once an American woman marries a foreign national, she and her children are no longer entitled to any American citizenship rights. http://pajamasmedia.com/phyllischesler/2008/06/20/american-woman-arab-man-tales-of-horror-in-the-harem/

The marriage of an American woman with a foreigner has consequences of like kind, may involve national complications of like kind, as her physical expatriation may involve. Therefore, as long as the relation lasts, it is made tantamount to expatriation. This is no arbitrary exercise of government. It is one which, regarding the international aspects, judicial opinion has taken for granted would not only be valid, but demanded. It is the conception of the legislation under review that such an act may bring the government into embarrassments, and, it may be, into controversies. It is as voluntary and distinctive as expatriation and its consequence must be considered as elected.

Judgment affirmed.
http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/cgi-bin/getcase.pl?court=us&vol=239&invol=299


56 posted on 08/15/2008 5:59:39 PM PDT by EBH ( ... the riotousness of the crowd is always very close to madness. --Alculin c.735-804)
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To: A CA Guy
Just the functioning of Indonesian law. If you lived there you would find yourself needing to declare your religious affiliation constantly, plus, you'd find it necessary to dclare the religious affiliation of your children according to that of their father, step-father, or other male head of household.

It's a foreign country with foreign ways, many of them totally incomprehensible to Americans.

57 posted on 08/15/2008 6:22:44 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: knarf

There’s only one anti-Christ.


58 posted on 08/15/2008 6:24:38 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: EBH

1915 - law has been rewritten many times since then.


59 posted on 08/15/2008 6:26:36 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah
Show me where it changed and why can't American women and children get support from the consulates! The first link leads to a 2008 article and stories. It changed with CABLE, but cable was later rescinded in 1936.

I've been hunting for an overturn or law change and have found none. In particular with regards to ASIAN countries.

60 posted on 08/15/2008 6:30:52 PM PDT by EBH ( ... the riotousness of the crowd is always very close to madness. --Alculin c.735-804)
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To: A CA Guy

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/07/30/the-paper-trail-obamas-indonesian-background/

Adoption and Acquisition of a Parent, Indonesia and Hawaii: The Smoking Gun.

Here are some excerpts about Indonesian Adoption.

“Foreign persons under age of five who are adopted by Indonesian Citizens obtain Indonesian Citizenship following legalization of adoption process by District Court of general jurisdiction with jurisdiction over adoptive parents [Id at Art. 2 (1)]“

And:

“It is stipulated that an adopted child has the same status as a natural child, and that his or her relationship to the birth parents is severed by adoption“

And:

“Article 2: on the condition of ratification of the adoption by the District Court:

The law stipulates that children of mixed couples automatically assume their father’s citizenship, and a divorced wife cannot take custody of her children because they have different citizenship.”


61 posted on 08/15/2008 6:31:55 PM PDT by EBH ( ... the riotousness of the crowd is always very close to madness. --Alculin c.735-804)
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To: EBH
The conclusion of the court in 1915 was that marriage to a funny little foreign guy was tantamount to expatriation.

What you need to do is research the law to find out what leads to expatriation today.

I'd do my search for that word and see where it leads.

Anyway, here's a reference to a DOJ survey of the law(s) on expatriation: http://www.usdoj.gov/olc/expatriation.htm

62 posted on 08/15/2008 6:46:27 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: EBH

Kawakita, 343 U.S. at 723-24 speaks to this issue in particular and says you are in serious error.


63 posted on 08/15/2008 6:50:38 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: EBH

Which, of course, is irrelevant since AMERICAN LAW ignores everything except the fact of your birth in the USA before you attain the age of 18. Afterwards you must ASSERT your intent to renounce American citizenship.


64 posted on 08/15/2008 6:52:29 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: flyfree

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Don’t fool yourself. Don’t you think as a good Muslim father he would have led little Barry down the path to Islam?
SOMETHING must have. From his books, he sure admires Islam:

Quote from Barack Obama’s book, Dreams Of My Father:
“THE PERSON WHO MADE ME PROUDEST OF ALL, THOUGH, WAS MY [half brother], ROY..HE CONVERTED TO ISLAM”.

From ‘Dreams of my Father’, “IN INDONESIA, I SPEND TWO YEARS AT A MUSLIM SCHOOL” “..I STUDIED THE KORAN..”

From ‘Audacity of Hope: “LOLO (Obama’s step father) FOLLOWED ISLAM....”I LOOKED TO LOLO FOR GUIDANCE”.

From ‘The Audacity Of Hope, “I WILL STAND WITH THEM (MUSLIMS) SHOULD THE POLITICAL WINDS OF WAR SHIFT IN AN UGLY DIRECTION..”

From The Audacity Of Hope, “WE ARE NO LONGER JUST A CHRISTIAN NATION, we are also a Jewish nation, a MUSLIM NATION, a Buddhist nation, a Hindu nation, and a nation of nonbelievers.”

http://www.examiner.com/a-536474~_Trapped_between_two_worlds_.html
http://www.examiner.com/a-534540~Can_a_past_of_Islam_change_the_path_to_president_for_Obama_.html?cid=dc-article-obama

In an interview with Nicholas Kristof, published in The New York Times, Obama recited the Muslim call to prayer, the Adhan, “with a first-class [Arabic] accent.”
The opening lines of the Adhan (Azaan) is the Shahada:

“Allah is Supreme! Allah is Supreme!
Allah is Supreme! Allah is Supreme!
I witness that there is no god but Allah
I witness that there is no god but Allah
I witness that Muhammad is his prophet? “

According to Islamic scholars, reciting the Shahada, the Muslim declaration of faith, makes one a Muslim. This simple yet profound statement expresses a Muslim’s complete acceptance of, and total commitment to, the message of Islam. Obama chanted it with pride and finesse.

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65 posted on 08/15/2008 7:09:26 PM PDT by patriot08
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To: philled

THE EVIDENCE IS OVERWHELMING:
http://theobamafile.com/ObamaIslam.htm
http://theobamafile.com/


66 posted on 08/15/2008 7:10:50 PM PDT by patriot08
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To: Category Four

READ UP ON OBAMA

THE EVIDENCE IS OVERWHELMING:
http://theobamafile.com/ObamaIslam.htm
http://theobamafile.com/


67 posted on 08/15/2008 7:12:08 PM PDT by patriot08
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To: Hiddigeigei

“Give us a child until he is seven, and he is ours forever.”

From ‘Audacity of Hope: “LOLO (Obama’s step father) FOLLOWED ISLAM....”I LOOKED TO LOLO FOR GUIDANCE”.


68 posted on 08/15/2008 7:14:34 PM PDT by patriot08
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To: patriot08
I haven't really read up on him that much, except on here -- but what I have read has me convinced.

They look like good links, I'll swing on by in a sec.
69 posted on 08/15/2008 7:15:33 PM PDT by Category Four (Joy, Fun, the Joke Proper, and Flippancy ... Flippancy is the best of all.)
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To: maine-iac7
I didn't say we should put up with an Obama anything.

I am simply stating this is a lot about nothing that won't go anywhere as a weapon against Obama because his dad can write or register anything, but that still isn't Obama/Barry himself doing or acknowledging anything incriminating, right?

70 posted on 08/15/2008 7:15:48 PM PDT by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: muawiyah
I think this is done simply for the father as well who wouldn't want to be ostracized for having non-muslim children.

But, we all know anyway that Barry is a Farrakhan black extremist with terrorist associations.
Had this been a Republican, he'd never survived the press out of even Iowa.

71 posted on 08/15/2008 7:19:08 PM PDT by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: EBH
That may be how Indonesia sees it, but if he was born in Hawaii, that is an American and no matter how many fart bubbles Barry's dad or Indonesia decide to blow.

This is not the hill the battle is to be fought on IMO.
What he has said, inferred and his stupidity is better fodder for evisceration IMO.

72 posted on 08/15/2008 7:21:45 PM PDT by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: Category Four

“The more citizenships he can collect, the better to present himself as truly a Global President.”

LOL. I love that sentence.


73 posted on 08/15/2008 7:28:45 PM PDT by Paved Paradise
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To: Paved Paradise

It’s true you know. Of course, if he is a Global President, that’s a death sentence for the countries of the world, and life without parole for those of us living in them.


74 posted on 08/15/2008 7:34:06 PM PDT by Category Four (Joy, Fun, the Joke Proper, and Flippancy ... Flippancy is the best of all.)
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To: A CA Guy
Methinks you doth defend the obami too much - you choose not to believe, I guess, the eye witness statements from his classmates in Jarkarta - per the article I ‘sent’ you... fine, how about what he says himself? Like how he got in trouble for making faces during Koranic studies...read his own book...

You can only keep your head in the sand so long...have to come up for air sometime. That is, of course, assuming you're not an obambi cohort in the first place. Here's another article you can read and ignore...

http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/greenslade/2008/07/storm_over_tasteless_obama_may.html

“Obama schooled in Indonesia as a Muslim where he attended the mosque regularly and he was a devout Muslim as a child. A former teacher Tine Hahiyary, confirmed that the young Obama was religious and actively took part in ‘mengaji’ classes ( teaching how to read the Koran in Arabic).

Nick Kristof wrote in a deeply respectful article in the New York Times. Quote:

He once got in trouble for making faces during Koran study classes in his elementary school, but a president is less likely to stereotype Muslims as fanatics — and more likely to be aware of their nationalism — if he once studied the Koran with them. Mr. Obama recalled the opening lines of the Arabic call to prayer, reciting them with a first-rate accent. In a remark that seemed delightfully uncalculated (it'll give Alabama voters heart attacks), Mr. Obama described the call to prayer as ‘one of the prettiest sounds on Earth at sunset.

Malik, Obama’s brother remarked recently: “Obama would be a good President for the Jewish people, DESPITE his Muslim background”.

Muamar Qaddafi speaking on Al Jazeera TV last month takes it for granted: “There are elections in America now. Along came a citizen of Kenyan African origins. A Muslim, who had studied in an Islamic school in Indonesia. His name is Obama.

75 posted on 08/15/2008 8:14:36 PM PDT by maine-iac7 (No trees were killed in sending this message but a lot of electrons were terribly agitated)
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To: maine-iac7
The way I read Obama/Barry is he supposedly converted to Christianity through the black racist Farrakhan loving Reverend Wright.
Seems all they mostly did in that church was to blame white people for everything in the name of a small g god that didn't at all reflect the big G God.

The history I seemed to remember was Barry converted from what his dad tried to indoctrinate him in.
Is that true? Don't know.

Bad enough is that the man is a self absorbed, low brow, white hating, entrepreneurial hating, race baiting idiot.

All I am saying is the action is much more elsewhere because he hasn't been worshiping in Mosques for decades it seems.

I'm just saying this is not a strong enough issue to bring the Barry down.

This is like when they found FBI files in the Clinton White House of Republicans and nothing was done.
There is more elsewhere to hang the SOB IMO.

No love for the A-HOLE here I assure you my friend.

76 posted on 08/15/2008 8:36:40 PM PDT by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: A CA Guy
I'm just saying this is not a strong enough issue to bring the Barry down.

The issue isn't that he attended school as a muslim and studied the koran, etc... the issue is, did he lie about it. Did he present a false BC? Did he lie about having never gone by any other name when he was joining the Illinois bar? ETc.

Remember, bubba wasn't impeached for having "sexual relations with that woman" - he was impeached for lying about it -

Obambi has a long line of things he once said/wrote that he has since, now they are inconvenient, denies he ever said/did. He's even totally reversed himself on things he's said on the campaing trail just days after he said them.

It seems he may be more of a systemic liar than the Hillderbeast...

We cannot afford another such congenital liar at the helm.

BTW - glad to hear how you feel about the obambi - are you, then, a member of the "White Party"? (Anyone heard if the MSM picked up Dean's racist remark?)

77 posted on 08/15/2008 9:23:27 PM PDT by maine-iac7 (No trees were killed in sending this message but a lot of electrons were terribly agitated)
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To: maine-iac7
I don't think he is a Muslim due to his dad being a turd more than any feeling he had for Islam.

I do think he did find the only so-called Christian church that follows anti-American, anti-white, pro-racism and pro-classism theology.

I think Barry is much more a big white hating black separatist than a Muslim for the last few decades.

But with Obama, when you look in his direction, all you see is sh!t no matter what part of him you view.

78 posted on 08/15/2008 9:29:46 PM PDT by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: bricklayer

Here is the caption from the AP photo of the application. Francis of Assisi school.

Photo from AP Photo by Tatan Syuflana
18 months ago: This registration document, made available on Jan. 24, 2007, by the Fransiskus Assisi school in Jakarta, Indonesia, shows the registration of Barack Obama under the name Barry Soetoro into the Catholic school made by his step-father, Lolo Soetoro. The document lists Barry Soetoro as a Indonesian citizen, born on August 4, 1961 in Honolulu, and shows his Muslim step-father listed the boy’s religion as Islam.(AP Photo/ Tatan Syuflana)


79 posted on 08/16/2008 4:07:01 AM PDT by tightwadbob (There is no right way to do the wrong thing. formerly for Thompson/Hunter in '08)
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To: bricklayer

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2062622/posts?page=50


80 posted on 08/16/2008 4:14:47 AM PDT by tightwadbob (There is no right way to do the wrong thing. formerly for Thompson/Hunter in '08)
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To: A CA Guy
big white hating black separatist

if the obambi's were honest, that would be their campaign slogan -


81 posted on 08/16/2008 7:54:00 AM PDT by maine-iac7 (No trees were killed in sending this message but a lot of electrons were terribly agitated)
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To: muawiyah
There’s only one anti-Christ.


I find verses in the Bible that indicate someone can be AN antichrist and someone will be THE Antichrist.

1Jo:2:18: Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

1Jo:2:22: Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

2Jo:1:7: For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

82 posted on 08/16/2008 8:26:44 AM PDT by KitJ (Shall Not Be Infringed)
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To: Category Four

All I can say is, “Come Lord Jesus, come.”


83 posted on 08/16/2008 10:27:14 AM PDT by Paved Paradise
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To: tightwadbob
1) Yes, his stepfather filled it out.

Exactly what partof this did he fill out?
84 posted on 08/16/2008 1:18:55 PM PDT by Polarik ("The Greater Evil")
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To: Polarik

I just agreed with the first reply that his father most likely filled it out because of the handwriting. Doesn’t look like the writing of an elementary school pupil. Also most grade school entry forms must be filled out and signed by a parent.


85 posted on 08/16/2008 5:18:18 PM PDT by tightwadbob (There is no right way to do the wrong thing. formerly for Thompson/Hunter in '08)
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To: tightwadbob
I just agreed with the first reply that his father most likely filled it out because of the handwriting.

If he did fill out every line, then there had to have been some serious sh*t going on when he printed the name "Barry Soetoro." The way that "Barry Soetoro" was written shows a very deliberate and almost "tortured" effort to put pen to paper, with a big "B" and an uncharacteristically large second letter, "a," followed by very uneven pen pressure on the page for the rest of it, as evidenced by the light and dark inked areas on the letters, "a," "y," and "Soeto." The "r's" are the only letters that came out fully dark. Handwriting reveals a lot about a person. You can tell if they are honest. You can tell if they are egotistical, and you can tell when they are under duress or stress. Why would Lolo have such difficulty in writing out his son's name (if he did in fact write it)? What stress was he experiencing? If Lolo's hand produced all of the writing, then their's something a little odd about how he wrote his own name as well as his adopted son's name. The rest of the page is filled with very tightly formed letters -- a sign of being self-conscious. The loops are also very narrow indicating a tendency to keep things to himself. The almost flat script on everything but people's names says that the writer is easily frustrated and hates "busy work." The flourish in making the lead-in line of the letter "M" says that he tends to exaggerate at times to compensate for being self-conscious. I did not detect any dishonesty in the writing. Really, the most significant part of the entire page is how "Barry Soetoro" was written. Almost as if he was reticent about putting it down on paper. Well, there you have my handwriting analysis for the day.

86 posted on 08/16/2008 9:46:23 PM PDT by Polarik ("The Greater Evil")
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