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Obama “pay grade” comment purposely ignores SCIENTIFIC FACT that LIFE BEGINS AT CONCEPTION

Posted on 08/18/2008 4:56:08 AM PDT by cpforlife.org

In 1981, a group of internationally known scientists appeared before a Senate judiciary subcommittee to answer the question, “When does human life begin?” Their answers are below and make Pro-Aborts very uncomfortable. But nowhere near as uncomfortable as the last moments of life will be for the 3,500 babies who will be aborted tomorrow.

At the Saddleback Civil Forum on the Presidency, Rev. Rick Warren asked both candidates the question: At what point does a baby gets “human rights.” McCain’s answer was direct “At the moment of conception.”

Obama’s answer was the non-answer heard round the political world. His voting record is solidly Pro-Abortion and as an Illinois senator he defended Live Birth Abortions for three years. So why didn’t Obama answer “at birth” or “at birth as long as the mother does not want the baby to die”?

“…answering that question with specificity is, you know, above my pay grade..”

No Sen. Obama. Answering that question with specificity would abort your campaign.

We must hammer home the SCIENTIFIC FACT that LIFE BEGINS AT CONCEPTION. We have to take control of the language used in the abortion debate. We must stop Pro-Aborts from confusing the issue by claiming the question about the beginning of life is a theological matter. It is biological science.

And abortion itself is a civil rights issue.


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1 posted on 08/18/2008 4:56:10 AM PDT by cpforlife.org
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2 posted on 08/18/2008 4:57:02 AM PDT by cpforlife.org (A Catholic Respect Life Curriculum is available FREE at CpForLife.org)
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To: cpforlife.org

I will not be voting for any pro-abortion candidate.


3 posted on 08/18/2008 4:58:15 AM PDT by brwnsuga (Proud, Black, Sexy Conservative!!!)
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What does modern science conclude about when human life begins? (Excerpts)

By Dr. John Ankerberg and John Weldon
http://www.ankerberg.com/Articles/apologetics/AP0805W3.htm The complete article is available in print friendly PDF format at: http://www.ankerberg.com/Articles/_PDFArchives/apologetics/AP3W0805.pdf

The scientific authorities on when life begins are biologists. But these are often the last people consulted in seeking an answer to the question. What modern science has concluded is crystal clear: Human life begins at conception. This is a matter of scientific fact, not philosophy, speculation, opinion, conjecture, or theory. Today, the evidence that human life begins at conception is a fact so well documented that no intellectually honest and informed scientist or physician can deny it.

In 1973, the Supreme Court concluded in its Roe v. Wade decision that it did not have to decide the “difficult question” of when life begins. Why? In essence, they said, “It is impossible to say when human life begins.” The Court misled the public then, and others continue to mislead the public today.

Anyone familiar with recent Supreme Court history knows that two years before Roe V. Wade, in October 1971, a group of 220 distinguished physicians, scientists, and professors submitted an amicus curiae brief (advice to a court on some legal matter) to the Supreme Court. They showed the Court how modern science had already established that human life is a continuum and that the unborn child from the moment of conception on is a person and must be considered a person, like its mother. The brief set as its task “to show how clearly and conclusively modern science—embryology, fetology, genetics, perinatology, all of biology—establishes the humanity of the unborn child.” For example,

In its seventh week, [the pre-born child] bears the familiar external features and all the internal organs of the adult.... The brain in configuration is already like the adult brain and sends out impulses that coordinate the function of other organs…. The heart beats sturdily. The stomach produces digestive juices. The liver manufactures blood cells and the kidneys begin to function by extracting uric acid from the child’s blood.... The muscles of the arms and body can already be set in motion. After the eighth week… everything is already present that will be found in the full term baby.

This brief proved beyond any doubt scientifically that human life begins at conception and that “the unborn is a person within the meaning of the Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments.”

Thus, even though the Supreme Court had been properly informed as to the scientific evidence, they still chose to argue that the evidence was insufficient to show the pre-born child was fully human. In essence, their decision merely reflected social engineering and opinion, not scientific fact. Even during the growing abortion debate in 1970, the editors of the scientific journal California Medicine noted the “curious avoidance of the scientific fact, which everyone really knows, that human life begins at conception and is continuous whether intra- or extra-uterine until death.”

In 1981, the United States Congress conducted hearings to answer the question, “When does human life begin?” A group of internationally known scientists appeared before a Senate judiciary subcommittee.

The U.S. Congress was told by Harvard University Medical School’s Professor Micheline Matthews-Roth, “In biology and in medicine, it is an accepted fact that the life of any individual organism reproducing by sexual reproduction begins at conception....”

Dr. Watson A. Bowes, Jr., of the University of Colorado Medical School, testified that “the beginning of a single human life is from a biological point of view a simple and straightforward matter—the beginning is conception. This straightforward biological fact should not be distorted to serve sociological, political or economic goals.”

Dr. Alfred Bongiovanni of the University of Pennsylvania Medical School noted: “The standard medical texts have long taught that human life begins at conception.”

He added: “I am no more prepared to say that these early stages represent an incomplete human being than I would be to say that the child prior to the dramatic effects of puberty... is not a human being. This is human life at every stage albeit incomplete until late adolescence.”

Dr. McCarthy De Mere, who is a practicing physician as well as a law professor at the University of Tennessee, testified: “The exact moment of the beginning [of] personhood and of the human body is at the moment of conception.”

World-famous geneticist Dr. Jerome Lejeune, professor of fundamental genetics at the University of Descarte, Paris, France, declared, “each individual has a very unique beginning, the moment of its conception.”

Dr. Lejeune also emphasized: “The human nature of the human being from conception to old age is not a metaphysical contention, it is plain experimental evidence.”

The chairman of the Department of Medical Genetics at the Mayo Clinic, Professor Hymie Gordon, testified, “By all the criteria of modern molecular biology, life is present from the moment of conception.”

He further emphasized: “now we can say, unequivocally, that the question of when life begins… is an established scientific fact…. It is an established fact that all life, including human life, begins at the moment of conception.”

This Senate report concluded:

Physicians, biologists, and other scientists agree that conception marks the beginning of the life of a human being—a being that is alive and is a member of the human species. There is overwhelming agreement on this point in countless medical, biological, and scientific writings.

In 1981, only a single scientist disagreed with the majority’s conclusion, and he did so on philosophical rather than scientific grounds. In fact, abortion advocates, although invited to do so, failed to produce even one expert witness who would specifically testify that life begins at any other point than conception.

Again, let us stress that this is not a matter of religion, it is solely a matter of science. Scientists of every religious view and no religious view—agnostic, Jewish, Buddhist, atheist, Christian, Hindu, etc.—all agree that life begins at conception. This explains why, for example, the International Code of Medical Ethics asserts: “A doctor must always bear in mind the importance of preserving human life from the time of conception until death.”

This is also why the Declaration of Geneva holds physicians to the following: “I will maintain the utmost respect for human life from the time of conception; even under threat, I will not use my medical knowledge contrary to the laws of humanity.” These statements can be found in the World Medical Association Bulletin for April 1949 (vol.1, p. 22) and January 1950 (vol. 2, p. 5). In 1970, the World Medical Association again reaffirmed the Declaration of Geneva.
What difference does it make that human life begins at conception? The difference is this: If human life begins at conception, then abortion is the killing of a human life.

To deny this fact is scientifically impossible.


4 posted on 08/18/2008 4:58:40 AM PDT by cpforlife.org (A Catholic Respect Life Curriculum is available FREE at CpForLife.org)
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To: Coleus; nickcarraway; narses; Mr. Silverback; Canticle_of_Deborah; TenthAmendmentChampion; ...
Pro-Life PING

Please FreepMail me if you want on or off my Pro-Life Ping List.

5 posted on 08/18/2008 4:59:45 AM PDT by cpforlife.org (A Catholic Respect Life Curriculum is available FREE at CpForLife.org)
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To: MHGinTN

PING


6 posted on 08/18/2008 5:01:12 AM PDT by cpforlife.org (A Catholic Respect Life Curriculum is available FREE at CpForLife.org)
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To: cpforlife.org

If Obama has no empathy for the innocent Unborn who says he will be Compassionate to living folk


7 posted on 08/18/2008 5:01:16 AM PDT by philly-d-kidder (Kuwait where the Temperature has been above 100 F since Easter Sunday!)
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To: brwnsuga

Amen.


8 posted on 08/18/2008 5:02:25 AM PDT by cpforlife.org (A Catholic Respect Life Curriculum is available FREE at CpForLife.org)
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To: cpforlife.org
answering that question with specificity is, you know, above my pay grade..”

the depth of the stupidity of this answer is not apparent on first reflection. It wasn't even pointed out as a gaffe by the Fox analyzers at half time as they praised BO's performance. I'll admit, it must have come between so many hems, haws and ums, I missed hearing it myself as I listened.

9 posted on 08/18/2008 5:03:13 AM PDT by gusopol3
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To: cpforlife.org
“…answering that question with specificity is, you know, above my pay grade..”

Sometimes, life tosses us a question that we have to answer... “above our pay grade”... or not. If we ignore it... we give darker forces time to formulate their own answer and ultimately... the final word.

10 posted on 08/18/2008 5:08:06 AM PDT by johnny7 ("Duck I says... ")
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To: cpforlife.org
“…answering that question with specificity is, you know, above my pay grade..”

Thus Obama cannot take issue with the assertion that life begins at conception.

He has conceded that a fetus might be a living human being.

If a fetus might be a living human being, then aborting it is killing a human being.

What is his justification for allowing what might be killing a human being?

11 posted on 08/18/2008 5:10:24 AM PDT by T Ruth (Islam shall be defeated.)
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To: cpforlife.org
President/Select spoke honestly as his handlers, Pickens, Soros and Buffett hadn't coached our future pres on the public response.

According to Politico, Pickens called our future Pres. in for a chat Sunday morning.

12 posted on 08/18/2008 5:10:26 AM PDT by kcm.org (Conservatives bashing Sen. McCain has Ronald Reagan spinning in his grave!!!)
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To: cpforlife.org

bump bump bump


13 posted on 08/18/2008 5:10:52 AM PDT by Skooz (Gabba Gabba we accept you we accept you one of us Gabba Gabba we accept you we accept you one of us)
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To: cpforlife.org

Did anyone see Fox and Friends this morning w/ Ralph Reed and Joel Hunter? Hunter is my EX pastor. I left because of his left leanings.

He claims obama was ‘technically right’ because the bible doesn’t specify when life begins!! I honestly couldn’t beleive some of the things he said (oh yes I could).

That the crowd was just looking for ‘amen’ moments so McCain was bound to do well there.

That they came out ‘even’.

That abortions haven’t dropped at all with any pro life policies in place.


14 posted on 08/18/2008 5:13:31 AM PDT by spacejunkie01
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To: brwnsuga

John Hagee has an awesome 3 part series going on; started yesterday and will go for 2 more weeks, on ‘Vote the Bible’. It’s excellent and a good way to tell people the issues without telling them WHO to vote for. It’s just obvious.


15 posted on 08/18/2008 5:14:57 AM PDT by spacejunkie01
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Cover of 1965 issue of LIFE Magazine. The issue, published eight years before the lies of Roe v Wade covered in detail the scientific facts of life in the womb with amazing imagery.

16 posted on 08/18/2008 5:16:06 AM PDT by cpforlife.org (A Catholic Respect Life Curriculum is available FREE at CpForLife.org)
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Sen. Obama. You cannot be both Christian and pro-choice on abortion. The two are diametrically opposed—polar opposites. If you think you are both you are living a lie.


17 posted on 08/18/2008 5:18:07 AM PDT by cpforlife.org (A Catholic Respect Life Curriculum is available FREE at CpForLife.org)
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To: cpforlife.org

If life doesn’t begin at conception, then why is it illegal to kill the fetus of protected animals? Try crushing the eggs of a song bird and see what the federal government does.


18 posted on 08/18/2008 5:18:36 AM PDT by SampleMan (We are a free and industrious people, socialist nannies do not become us.)
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To: spacejunkie01

“I left because of his left leanings.”

Smart move.


19 posted on 08/18/2008 5:19:51 AM PDT by cpforlife.org (A Catholic Respect Life Curriculum is available FREE at CpForLife.org)
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To: brwnsuga
Same here!

If McLame selects a pro- baby murder candidate for his VP I don't know what I'll do.By the time the muslim-communist trojan horse and his minions get finished after four years it would take a revolution to get this country back on track again.

20 posted on 08/18/2008 5:20:58 AM PDT by IbJensen (Ali Bama isn't going to make it!)
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“What political issue could possibly outweigh this human devastation” of 40 million deaths through abortion? “The answer, of course, is that there is none. … It is time to put away the arguments of political spin masters that only serve to justify abortion killing. We have heard a great deal this year about the need for change. But at the same time we are told that one thing cannot change – namely, the abortion regime of Roe vs. Wade.

“It is time that we demand real change, and real change means the end of Roe vs. Wade.”

Carl Anderson, Knights of Columbus - Annual Report

21 posted on 08/18/2008 5:27:14 AM PDT by cpforlife.org (A Catholic Respect Life Curriculum is available FREE at CpForLife.org)
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To: All

The “pay grade” comment shows just how much Uhbama is out of his league when it comes to the presidency. He tried to be clever with a comment that began to be heavily used as a political tool I think back in the 90’s for a subject where it does not fit. This is Uhbama. A guy who is simply trying to get over by phrases like the “pay grade” comment, by putting meaningless terms like “fast-track” into his campaign advertising and the like. He is an invention of the Phlegmocrat Party and hardly worthy to be head of the PTA, much less the POTUS.


22 posted on 08/18/2008 5:27:16 AM PDT by WillVoteForFood
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To: johnny7
Sometimes, life tosses us a question that we have to answer... “above our pay grade”... or not. If we ignore it... we give darker forces time to formulate their own answer and ultimately... the final word.

The US President is the most powerful person on the planet. He even has the wherewithal to disintegrate the planet. Thus, any topic that affects the planet and its residents are NOT above his pay grade.

Obama, at a loss for a response with substance, tried to use a cutsie retort. That may be nice for an MSM evening news clip, but it falls short of demonstrating leadership capability.

Presidents have to answer tough questions. Presidents have to respond to unforeseen events. The President's pay is legislatively $400,000.00 per year. Those hard questions and events are his responsibility, even at that pay grade.
23 posted on 08/18/2008 5:27:43 AM PDT by TomGuy
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Induced Abortion is the Number One Cause of Death In The United States. According to the US Center for Disease Control the leading causes of death in the US in 2002 were: Abortion 1,290,000 Heart disease 710,760 Cancer 553,091 Stroke 167,661 Chronic lower respiratory tract disease 122,009 Accidents 97,900. AIDS was not even in the top 10 causes with 17,544 reported deaths.


24 posted on 08/18/2008 5:29:14 AM PDT by cpforlife.org (A Catholic Respect Life Curriculum is available FREE at CpForLife.org)
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To: cpforlife.org

...and Obama’s answer to the christian question was weasely enought to be non-threatening to any moslem.


25 posted on 08/18/2008 5:36:43 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: longtermmemmory
So true. Russia China N Korea and all the other countries controlled by evil men are full of HOPE that Obama wins. They are probably the biggest donors.
26 posted on 08/18/2008 5:41:10 AM PDT by cpforlife.org (A Catholic Respect Life Curriculum is available FREE at CpForLife.org)
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To: WillVoteForFood

It is truly amazing how Obama could say so little with so many words, while McCain said so much with just a few.


27 posted on 08/18/2008 5:54:45 AM PDT by Fresh Wind (Five Year Plans and New Deals, wrapped in golden chains...)
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To: cpforlife.org

Bookmarked. FRegards ....


28 posted on 08/18/2008 5:57:34 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (Regarding Jerome Corsi and Obama Nation -- are you a book reader or a book burner?)
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To: cpforlife.org

“....above his paygrade....”

Give me a break - HE NEVER EVEN HAD THE NUTS TO ANSWER THE GIVEN QUESTION. A simple answer, either a) at conception or b) at birth - which one is it?


29 posted on 08/18/2008 5:59:19 AM PDT by Cyclone59 (umm, err, ahh - that decision is above my paygrade)
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To: IbJensen; loboinok
It would be hypocritical of McCain to pick someone pro-choice. I tried to explain years ago that we have to understand— if someone is pro-choice, that same person is philosophically flawed. It's like a computer virus in the brain. A few pro-choice people like Neal Boortz manage to overcome this internal discord [to some extent], but that's rare when one is sitting on the bench. A look at justices’ biographies makes it crystal clear.

While abortion is hideous enough, even pro-choice people should understand what judicial activism is doing to our law. Pro-choice judges attack our bill of rights— seeking to elevate treaties above our basic rights. Kelo is a good example of what pro-choice justices get us.

I hope he's only building up drama by keeping everyone in suspense.

30 posted on 08/18/2008 6:08:03 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (Regarding Jerome Corsi and Obama Nation -- are you a book reader or a book burner?)
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To: cpforlife.org

I think what most people are missing is that B-O’s answer ALSO allows him to suggest that only God knows the answer without actually having to mention God. He is attempting to have it both ways...believers infer that he is deferring to God, while non-believers infer that he is deferring to scientists.

Very clever.


31 posted on 08/18/2008 6:17:44 AM PDT by Lee'sGhost (Johnny Rico picked the wrong girl!)
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To: cpforlife.org

Mr Obama, since our LAWS cannot be as undefined as your non-answer, and MUST SPECIFY when life begins in order to say

legal here, illegal there,

and you’re running for the CHIEF LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER of the United States,

I believe that it is necessary for you to clearly define your belief in what those laws should be.

So, again, when in your belife should it be defined that life begins and is worthy of the protection of law?


32 posted on 08/18/2008 6:20:38 AM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: WillVoteForFood

Shouldn’t a bi-racial candidate at least be familiar with Margaret
Sanger and Planned Parenthood’s racist policies?

www.blackgenocide.org

94% of the baby death camps are placed in minority neighborhoods!
6% of the population (black women) receive 36% of abortions.


33 posted on 08/18/2008 6:21:44 AM PDT by Lesforlife
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To: johnny7

If he had any

ACCEPTIBLE

core values, he wouldn’t have any problems answering questions like these.

Here’s how it works:

Bounce question off your core beliefs and answer accordingly.

Here’s how a leftist works:

Bounce question off your core beliefes, determine if the public in general will consider that answer abhorrent, and avoid it if so.

Notice I’m not saying that he has no core beliefs, I’m saying his core beliefs would be considered abhorrent to the public.


34 posted on 08/18/2008 6:23:14 AM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: cpforlife.org
Obama showed off his hypocracy later during the same interview when he mentioned the parable in Matthew, where Jesus says, "Whatever you do to the least of these, you do to me." He then rattles off a list of oppressed groups, the poor, the homeless, African Americans, yada yada yada, but nothing about the unborn.
35 posted on 08/18/2008 6:38:17 AM PDT by shekkian
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To: cpforlife.org

“the life of any individual organism reproducing by sexual reproduction begins at conception.”

The new individual’s life begins at conception. He/she is not a mass of cells living as a parasite off the mother, as radical feminazis say.


36 posted on 08/18/2008 6:40:54 AM PDT by BooksForTheRight.com (Fight liberal lies with knowledge. Read conservative books and articles.)
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To: cpforlife.org
"We must hammer home the SCIENTIFIC FACT that LIFE BEGINS AT CONCEPTION"

No we mustn't. Sperm are alive and eggs are alive. Life doesn't spring out of unLife.

And Life is also a legal term and the abortion issue is also a legal debate. It doesn't do any good to purposively confuse the terms and confuse the issue, especially when you don't have to.

This reminds me of the pro-drug war people criticizing the "victimless crime" argument, saying people who abuse drugs are too "victims". They confuse the terms, "victimless" is first a legal term.

In our legal system, there are times that taking a life is legal. So, saying every life requires absolute legal protection is nonsense and a losing argument. It also turns off people, who fear that religion is going to be enacted into law.

You've got to know your audience, you've got to make arguments that will appeal to them.

37 posted on 08/18/2008 7:08:22 AM PDT by Jabba the Nutt (We're all Georgians now, Lili-Putin!)
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To: cpforlife.org
Obama “pay grade” comment purposely ignores SCIENTIFIC FACT that LIFE BEGINS AT CONCEPTION
We must hammer home the SCIENTIFIC FACT that LIFE BEGINS AT CONCEPTION. We have to take control of the language used in the abortion debate

Either you're being disingenuous, or your grasp of science is incredibly weak. Science cannot determine when "life" begins, because the term itself is open to interpretation. Science can determine when brain waves begin, when a heartbeat is likely to continue independenet of the mother, when cells divide, etc. However, it's an arbitrary decision when to label it "life". As you point out yourself, it's about the terminology ("control the language"), not about science.

38 posted on 08/18/2008 7:34:36 AM PDT by Teacher317 (Thank you Dith Pran for showing us what Communism brings)
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To: cpforlife.org
For decades, if a woman sues a man over paternity, it has been possible to determine the FATHR of the alive unborn child via genetic testing. If that isn't a revelation of what the courts actually operate upon—that fatherhood begins at conception; what is the man being sued for being the father “OF”—then there is no consistency in the legal system. The courts have affirmed by assumptions what they believe is the point at which LIFE of a distinct other person begins. The problem is not the assumptions upon which the courts adjudicate, it is the duplicity of the sick SCOTUS which creates such inconsistencies in order to substantiate their activist rulings which are not Constitutional.
39 posted on 08/18/2008 7:46:33 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: longtermmemmory

Someone pointed out yeaterday that there are 57 states in the Islamic council ... perhaps Obama doesn’t know how many US states there are BUT he is quite familiar with how many states there are in the ISlamic council!


40 posted on 08/18/2008 7:51:27 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: cpforlife.org

Late to the thread, and haven’t read all the posts closely. What kind of an answer is this “above my pay grade” nonsense? BHO is running for the Presidency of the USA. There is no “higher pay grade” than this. The POTUS is asked to make life and death decisions that affect large numbers of people. If he ain’t up to the pay grade, don’t apply for the job. This is a hard question only for those who don’t want to admit the obvious. The “ProChoice” crowd needs the old tag of “ProAbortion”. Facts are facts. State for the record that they are willing to disregard the life of the unborn child. Don’t nuance around about this possibly not being “life”.


41 posted on 08/18/2008 7:53:20 AM PDT by RedElement
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To: cpforlife.org

There are pluses and minuses to the influx of foreign cash for democrat candidates: it brings money back into the country from those to whom we’ve paid it for oil and foreign aid; the influx of millions and millions goes to strengthen the media which is paid to promote these marxist democrats.


42 posted on 08/18/2008 7:54:40 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: cpforlife.org

That was a good point. He supports and votes for a philosophy that posits that people don’t have “human rights” until they’re born. Why not just say that?


43 posted on 08/18/2008 7:57:18 AM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: cpforlife.org; antonius

44 posted on 08/18/2008 8:33:03 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Fresh Wind

**It is truly amazing how Obama could say so little with so many words, while McCain said so much with just a few.**

McCain has gravitas and is ready to be the Presdient as well as the Commander in Chief.

Expect a landslide for McCain. (My prediction)


45 posted on 08/18/2008 8:36:01 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: cpforlife.org
It's amazing to me the legs that this story is getting. (Could it be that Obama lied again?)

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46 posted on 08/18/2008 8:39:27 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: brwnsuga
I agree! I am a registered Republican but I am a Christian first and will only vote for someone who is Pro-Life all the way. If they are too stupid to get that right who cares where they stand on anything else.
47 posted on 08/18/2008 8:49:32 AM PDT by wood_wise
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To: Teacher317; Jabba the Nutt
On the contrary.

"Living organisms

That's from my son's 8th grade Life Science book.

A doctor who cannot tell the difference between a live embryo and a dead one is --- at the very least --- unqualified to be an OB/GYN.

48 posted on 08/18/2008 9:09:31 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Mammalia Primatia Hominidae Homo sapiens. Still working on the "sapiens" part.)
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To: Salvation
Expect a landslide for McCain.

From your keyboard to God's monitor!

49 posted on 08/18/2008 12:21:08 PM PDT by Fresh Wind (Five Year Plans and New Deals, wrapped in golden chains...)
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To: brwnsuga; cpforlife.org

//I will not be voting for any pro-abortion candidate//

Me either.


50 posted on 08/18/2008 12:22:52 PM PDT by valkyry1
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