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Russia warns of response to US missile shield
Breitbart ^ | 08/20/2008

Posted on 08/20/2008 5:44:39 PM PDT by autumnraine

Russia says its response to the further development of a U.S. missile shield in Poland will go beyond diplomacy.

(Excerpt) Read more at breitbart.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: missiledefense; poland
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Ok, this is AP, but if I understand it correctly, we can do a little snippet.

So is this a complete threat to the US?

1 posted on 08/20/2008 5:44:39 PM PDT by autumnraine
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To: autumnraine

I’m thinking that Putin has lost his ever-lovin mind.


2 posted on 08/20/2008 5:48:26 PM PDT by 13Sisters76 ("It is amazing how many people mistake a certain hip snideness for sophistication. " Thos. Sowell)
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To: autumnraine; Jeff Head; Grampa Dave; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Southack; PhilDragoo
I'm going to repeat this question on every thread about this issue:

Barak Hussein Obama has vowed to scrap the unproven missile defense program, in order to use the saved money for social welfare.

If it is so unproven, Mr. Obama, Why has Russia threatened to attack Poland if they install it?

3 posted on 08/20/2008 5:49:19 PM PDT by BOBTHENAILER (One by one, in small groups or in whole armies, we don't care how we do it, but we're gonna getcha)
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To: BOBTHENAILER

I think that is a good question. Of course I think the answer is that Obama wants us to completely fall as a nation.


4 posted on 08/20/2008 5:50:38 PM PDT by autumnraine (Forever a Newbie)
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To: autumnraine

We should install anti-missile systems in every loving country ringing Russia that we can woo to do so.

They did this to themselves. If I were Poland, the Ukraine or Georgia, I would be clamoring for Americans to have bases on their soil.

Frikking Russians. And some damned people (including some on FR) keep insisting Russia is not our enemy.


5 posted on 08/20/2008 5:52:19 PM PDT by rlmorel (If they can call George "Dubya", we can call Barack "Hussein")
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To: autumnraine
Sounds like they intend to make it awful cold in Poland this winter.

All the more reason for us to rapdily exploit our oil fields so we can, in as little as two years, be in a position to start ending our own dependancy and help other allies like Poland.

GEORGIA CONFLICT 2009

6 posted on 08/20/2008 5:53:00 PM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: autumnraine
I'm wondering if their “Response beyond Diplomacy” was their cutting ties with NATO
7 posted on 08/20/2008 5:53:15 PM PDT by Shaun_MD
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To: autumnraine

how does a missle shield “threaten” russia?

they have a right to kill us?


8 posted on 08/20/2008 5:54:01 PM PDT by ken21 (people die and you never hear from them again.)
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To: autumnraine
"When you threaten Poland, you perhaps forget that it is not 1988," Rice said. "It's 2008 and the United States has a ... firm treaty guarantee to defend Poland's territory as if it was the territory of the United States. So it's probably not wise to throw these threats around."

how do you say, "ruh-roh" in diplomatic-speak?

9 posted on 08/20/2008 5:55:23 PM PDT by robomatik ((wine plug: renascentvineyards.com cabernet sauvignon, riesling, and merlot))
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To: BOBTHENAILER

“If it is so unproven, Mr. Obama, Why has Russia threatened to attack Poland if they install it? “

That’s the one big monkey-wrench in the anti-ABM arguments. If it can’t work, why fear it?


10 posted on 08/20/2008 5:55:29 PM PDT by neutronsgalore (Tagline currently under reconstruction at the request of the Admin Moderator.)
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To: autumnraine

So according to Vlad 2009 will be a repeat of 1939 for Poland,... hmmmmmm.


11 posted on 08/20/2008 5:58:24 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country! What else needs said?)
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To: ken21

The Russians, much like our current democrats, have always twisted reality to serve their purposes. A “shield” doesn’t threaten anybody but it could give pause to plans for further bullying of former soviet satellite states. That bullying will eventually extend toward western Europe if not checked.

Additionally, throwing fits about missile shields could also be a diversionary tactic for.....even more sinister actions.


12 posted on 08/20/2008 5:59:23 PM PDT by prairiebreeze ( Our troops DESERVE BETTER than Barack Hussein Obama!!)
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To: prairiebreeze

yeah.

apparently putin’s voting for mccain.


13 posted on 08/20/2008 6:00:14 PM PDT by ken21 (people die and you never hear from them again.)
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To: 13Sisters76

Tell Putin to grow up. If he wants to return to cold war days and MAD (mutual assured destruction) let’s get it on. To back down to a thug like Putin is not only a cowards way out but it will assure our destruction.


14 posted on 08/20/2008 6:00:18 PM PDT by mulligan (A)
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To: ken21
how does a missle shield “threaten” russia? they have a right to kill us?

Not us, necessarily, but their neighbors. That seems to be their position, yes: hindering their ability to kill their neighbors is a violation of their rights. This, in turn, gives them a right to kill us. It's quite simple really.

15 posted on 08/20/2008 6:01:13 PM PDT by Dr. Frank fan
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To: Dr. Frank fan

yes.

and the euros don’t seem very concerned.

britain just decided for a more conciliatory role with russia.


16 posted on 08/20/2008 6:03:11 PM PDT by ken21 (people die and you never hear from them again.)
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To: Shaun_MD

Yes, I didn’t see an article posted on that either. That they just pulled out of NATO. What does that mean?


17 posted on 08/20/2008 6:03:51 PM PDT by autumnraine (Forever a Newbie)
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To: autumnraine
Looks like nowadays Russian Government has embarked on quite a mission: threatening to repeat history - but for the first time - not as farce. So far they are doing a lousy job.
18 posted on 08/20/2008 6:04:45 PM PDT by alecqss
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To: autumnraine

Yes, he wants us to fall so that the “one world” government can emerge where we are no longer the super power. He is a pawn of Satan-—maybe he really is the “one”—the wrong “one”, a puppet of the evil one...I am serious. Ok God time for the smackdown.


19 posted on 08/20/2008 6:05:41 PM PDT by LegalEagle61 (If you are going to burn our flag, please make sure you are wearing it when you do!)
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To: autumnraine

No. It simply means that Russia will take precautionary measures to target the systems when they are installed. Missiles will be allocated to take the system out in time of conflict.


20 posted on 08/20/2008 6:07:30 PM PDT by Tommyjo
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To: BOBTHENAILER

Excellent point!!


21 posted on 08/20/2008 6:08:02 PM PDT by seekthetruth
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To: 13Sisters76
Well, we know that Bush looked into his eyes and saw his soul.

But we never heard what Putin saw when he looked back into Bush's eyes.

j/k

22 posted on 08/20/2008 6:09:11 PM PDT by krb (If you're not outraged, people probably like having you around.)
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To: ken21
and the euros don’t seem very concerned.

Why would they be? As always, Russia is only reserving the right to kill Eastern Europeans in countries that don't really count. Western Europeans have never had much of an argument with this idea before; why would they start caring now?

Actually, I've been surprised they've made as much noise about it as they have. I assume it's for show.

23 posted on 08/20/2008 6:09:30 PM PDT by Dr. Frank fan
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To: LegalEagle61

I have laughed at the Antichrist stuff for years. I’m not laughing quite so hard anymore.


24 posted on 08/20/2008 6:10:27 PM PDT by autumnraine (Forever a Newbie)
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To: Dr. Frank fan

hindering their ability to kill their neighbors is a violation of their rights. This, in turn, gives them a right to kill us. It’s quite simple really.

________________________________________________

Beautiful, just effin beautiful. I hope our fearless leaders see your point of view.


25 posted on 08/20/2008 6:10:54 PM PDT by o-n-money
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To: Tommyjo
No. It simply means that Russia will take precautionary measures to target the systems when they are installed. Missiles will be allocated to take the system out in time of conflict.

But that goes without saying. I mean, if it somehow ever came to pass that we were at war with, oh I don't know, Canada we'd take out their sites. If this were all that Russia were saying she wouldn't have said anything.

The real answer is that 40% of Russia's foreign policy strategy is based on trying to say scary things so that other nations will do her bidding. Russia doesn't want these missile-shield sites installed in Poland (for whatever paranoid reason) and so, she is trying to say scary things in the hopes that Westerners will get scared enough that it won't happen.

Whether it will work remains to be seen.

26 posted on 08/20/2008 6:13:07 PM PDT by Dr. Frank fan
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To: ken21
DEVIL SENT DOWN TO GEORGIA - RUSSIA UNLEASHES CHECHEN THUGS

Apparently all has been forgiven about Beslan

27 posted on 08/20/2008 6:14:10 PM PDT by prairiebreeze ( Our troops DESERVE BETTER than Barack Hussein Obama!!)
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To: Tommyjo

Putin stuck his foot in his mouth.

If Russia attacks Poland, I feel he will regret
the day that he did, because the response will be
so overwhelming, and disasterous for the Russian people.
He may want to think, and blink, of what he says. He will get more than he bargained for.

Bullfrog


28 posted on 08/20/2008 6:16:09 PM PDT by Bullfrogg (American by Birth, Irish by heritage, hell raiser by choice)
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To: neutronsgalore
The Missle Defense Shield is “not unproven”.

They have been testing for the last three years and just as recent as 10 days ago they hit every payload!

God Bless Ronald Wilson Regan for the “Star Wars Initiative”. It's going to protect our Country from the likes of Putkin, Chavez and our lurking enemies in the ME>

BTW, this program took more than 20 years to develop.

Just think if we started DRILLING NOW for oil where we would be in 8-10 years.

29 posted on 08/20/2008 6:17:24 PM PDT by not2worry (WHAT GOES AROUND COMES AROUND)
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To: Dr. Frank fan

good points.

there’s a lot of investment now in those eastern euros.


30 posted on 08/20/2008 6:17:39 PM PDT by ken21 (people die and you never hear from them again.)
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To: autumnraine

read more Koran


31 posted on 08/20/2008 6:17:40 PM PDT by himno hero
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To: prairiebreeze
A “shield” doesn’t threaten anybody but it could give pause to plans for further bullying of former soviet satellite states. That bullying will eventually extend toward western Europe if not checked.

Ding, ding, ding - we have a winnah!

32 posted on 08/20/2008 6:19:15 PM PDT by GOPJ (If Obama can't stand up to Hillary, he can't stand up to North Korea. Iran. Or anyone.)
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To: autumnraine

NATO and Russia had a iaison mission. One is based in Moscow. There is also a Branch Office in NATO HQ. It was all part of confidence building measures between the two sides. Russian and NATO ships conducted joint anti-terrorism patrols and international rescue missions etc. Military exercises would be pre-announced and each side would send observers to monitor. Russia will probably now cut all such ties.

http://www.nato.int/issues/liaison_mission_moscow/index.html


33 posted on 08/20/2008 6:19:40 PM PDT by Tommyjo
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To: robomatik
"It's 2008 and the United States has a ... firm treaty guarantee to defend Poland's territory as if it was the territory of the United States.

ruh roh is right.

Hitler's and Stalin's invasion of Poland started World War 2.

Britain and France had a treaty with Poland to protect it against such invasion. And they honored it by declaring war on Germany.

Vlad the Impaler needs to make sure he wants to take this path, because the last time Russia decided to invade Poland turned out to be darned bloody.

34 posted on 08/20/2008 6:20:25 PM PDT by Ole Okie
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To: not2worry

AMEN!!!! (and i rarely use caps).


35 posted on 08/20/2008 6:21:16 PM PDT by robomatik ((wine plug: renascentvineyards.com cabernet sauvignon, riesling, and merlot))
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To: krb

The President prevented the Russians from using their nuclear arsenal on Poland, and used the threat from Iran (whom Putin has constantly supported) as an excuse.

I’m sure Putin misunderestimated the Pres just like every other one of our enemies.


36 posted on 08/20/2008 6:21:46 PM PDT by A.Hun (Common sense is no longer common.)
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To: autumnraine
Poland...
37 posted on 08/20/2008 6:26:25 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - CTHULHU/NYARLATHOTEP'08 = Nothing LESS!!!)
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To: prairiebreeze

or, they need money!


38 posted on 08/20/2008 6:27:13 PM PDT by ken21 (people die and you never hear from them again.)
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To: ken21

the checkens, that is.

anybody vacationed in beautiful grozny?


39 posted on 08/20/2008 6:27:58 PM PDT by ken21 (people die and you never hear from them again.)
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To: Bullfrogg

He isn’t. Poland is a full NATO member. What the Russian hotheads are saying is that in accepting the U.S. ABM base Poland has just earned itself some pre-targeted instant buckets of sunshine if an all out war breaks out and it goes nuclear. By that time it will be mutually assured destruction and Europe, Russia and North America will all be glass parking lots.


40 posted on 08/20/2008 6:27:58 PM PDT by Tommyjo
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To: Tommyjo
What the Russian hotheads are saying is that in accepting the U.S. ABM base Poland has just earned itself some pre-targeted instant buckets of sunshine if an all out war breaks out and it goes nuclear.

If so, the only question becomes,

1. Are the Russians so dumb they don't understand that this would go without saying?, or

2. Do they think we're so dumb we don't understand that this goes without saying?

Again, your version of what Russia's saying would be like saying if Canada launches nukes against us, we'll launch nukes against them. Such a thing is probably the truth. But so? When was this not true? And why would anyone say this, because why would Canada launch nukes against us in the first place?

Similarly, why would Russia emphasize that if they were in a war (against?) NATO, they would take out Poland's missile sites? so what? and why would "an all out war break out" between Russia and NATO of all things, in the first place? Wars just don't "break out" randomly for no reason, like acne. What exactly do the two sides have to fight a war over, besides Russia's recent idiotic behavior? This still boils down to Russia's paranoia. Poland doesn't want to attack freaking Russia, for crying out loud, and neither do we. Who the hell wants to attack Russia? Who the hell even wants any part of Russia?

Either Russian leaders are very good at bluffing and pretending to be paranoid, or they are genuinely paranoid.

Your interpretation of these statements from Russia is far more innocent (and rational) than the reality.

41 posted on 08/20/2008 6:39:35 PM PDT by Dr. Frank fan
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To: 13Sisters76

42 posted on 08/20/2008 6:44:08 PM PDT by redstateconfidential (A man who lets his friends down, is no man at all.)
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To: not2worry

43 posted on 08/20/2008 6:47:27 PM PDT by redstateconfidential (A man who lets his friends down, is no man at all.)
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To: autumnraine

It’s more of a tantrum because the shield has just neutered Russia’s attack dog Iran,


44 posted on 08/20/2008 6:57:19 PM PDT by Blue State Insurgent
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To: Dr. Frank fan

Who says they will use nukes? I think they might unleash biowarfare quitely while distracting with nuke bluster...a weaponized flu virus perhaps.


45 posted on 08/20/2008 7:00:00 PM PDT by Domestic Church (AMDG...)
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To: BOBTHENAILER

The problem with your statement is that it assumes that one would ever think that any demoncrat candidate would ever hold a position based on actual merits of the position. All liberal candidates make statements to garner votes, never taking into account the veracity of the position. Hence why no demoncrat should ever step foot in the White House other than to receive a good dressing down by a Republican President.


46 posted on 08/20/2008 7:03:47 PM PDT by big'ol_freeper (A vote for third party is a vote for nObama)
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To: autumnraine

Would NATO protect Poland ?

Could NATO protect Poland ?

Would the EU put up any fight at all ?

Or is Putin bluffing ?

Remember, Europe is increasingly dependant on Russia for oil and, especially, natural gas.


47 posted on 08/20/2008 7:21:02 PM PDT by 1066AD
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To: Jeff Head

We should fire up our Liberty Ships in anticipation of sending coal to Poland. Let’s send them the dirtiest stuff we can find. They can site their coal plants so that all the crap blows downwind onto Russia.


48 posted on 08/20/2008 7:33:17 PM PDT by Locomotive Breath
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To: 1066AD

Well, technically, as a NATO member, in the event of an attack by Russia, all members are required to come to Poland’s aid. And since Poland is also an EU member, it will draw the entire EU into the conflict, as well.


49 posted on 08/20/2008 7:48:05 PM PDT by wk4bush2004
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To: neutronsgalore

Because the Russians claim that those same missile silos can be used to launch offensive missiles at them.


50 posted on 08/20/2008 7:50:29 PM PDT by David1
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