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Obama not the first mixed race President of USA if elected.
Dr. Leroy Vaugh ^ | 8-21-08 | edcoil

Posted on 08/22/2008 9:50:20 AM PDT by edcoil

The Five Black Presidents of The United States Of America.

Joel A. Rogers and Dr. Auset Bakhufu have both written books documenting that at least five former presidents of the United States had Black people among their ancestors.

The president’s names include Thomas Jefferson, Andrew Jackson, Abraham Lincoln, Warren Harding, and Calvin Coolidge.


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While the media touts the First Black President -
1 posted on 08/22/2008 9:50:20 AM PDT by edcoil
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To: edcoil

Yes, but Obama will be the first one who was actually born in Africa....


2 posted on 08/22/2008 9:51:25 AM PDT by Always Right (Obama: more arrogant than Bill Clinton, more naive than Jimmy Carter, and more liberal than LBJ.)
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To: Always Right

Doesn’t he say Hawaii?


3 posted on 08/22/2008 9:53:51 AM PDT by edcoil
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To: edcoil
There is some scholarship that suggests that Lincoln (as well as Elvis and Ava Gardner) had Melungeon blood.
4 posted on 08/22/2008 9:54:43 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: edcoil

He won’t be the first idiot either


5 posted on 08/22/2008 9:58:30 AM PDT by clamper1797 (Quis mihi fatigo)
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To: edcoil

With all due respect, don’t you mean the first “Black Panther” president? :)


6 posted on 08/22/2008 9:58:32 AM PDT by xc1427 (It's better to die on your feet than to live on your knees...Midnight Oil (Power and the Passion))
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To: edcoil

I’m surprised they say it since Clinton was our first black president!/sarc


7 posted on 08/22/2008 9:59:16 AM PDT by Santa Fe_Conservative (The RINOs think that they have won but we shall see who has the last laugh in '08...)
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To: Joe 6-pack
More than likely Abe's mother (not his step-mother), with whom he could barely communicate, came from Central New York and not the Mid-South as theorized by Carl Sandberg and others.

Why I say that is because ALL the neighbors in Southern Indiana did come from Central New York. They spoke one of 35 different Dutch dialects found in America at the time, and a melange of Scandinavian local dialects.

Abe's mother probably wasn't considered a white woman, but she wasn't considered a black woman either ~ her "minority" status would drive from her Scandinavian forebears from the far North who, at that time, simply weren't considered "white people".

8 posted on 08/22/2008 9:59:19 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: edcoil
Doesn’t he say Hawaii?

That is what he says, but Obama seems unwilling to provide authenic proof of such claim. An unstamped, unsigned Certfication of Live Birth canned in by some leftwing site doesn't prove anything.

9 posted on 08/22/2008 10:00:24 AM PDT by Always Right (Obama: more arrogant than Bill Clinton, more naive than Jimmy Carter, and more liberal than LBJ.)
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To: edcoil
This is as bad as all those "scholars" who persist in finding that everyone in history was really a homosexual.

This writer (and I'll bet you his doctorate isn't in history) treats everything from scurrilous campaign trash to wild speculation as gospel.

With that said, there's a pretty good chance that one of Harding's great-grandparents was black.

The Four Mysteries of Warren Harding. A good article from American Heritage by Francis Russell. The good doctor misquotes from this very article, apparently (it was not "Republican officials"):

Whatever Harding’s frustrations and anger at these mocking accusations, he always followed the manly course of disregarding the rumors about his heredity. He himself did not know whether they were true or not. “How do I know, Jim?” he once told his old friend James Faulkner of the Cincinnati Enquirer. “One of my ancestors may have jumped the fence.” Nor, in a day when such matters have come to be of less concern, is there anything more to add to that honest comment.

10 posted on 08/22/2008 10:03:12 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: edcoil; Santa Fe_Conservative
I’m surprised they say it since Clinton was our first black president!

You're not the only one with that opinion.

11 posted on 08/22/2008 10:04:18 AM PDT by Zakeet (Crime wouldn't pay if the government ran it)
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To: edcoil

Calvin Coolidge may well have been the whitest person who ever lived.


12 posted on 08/22/2008 10:11:49 AM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that those who call themselves Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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To: edcoil

hopefully he’s not the next either.


13 posted on 08/22/2008 10:14:19 AM PDT by Waco (Y2K Eeeeek)
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To: Santa Fe_Conservative

Clinton hasn’t a clue on who his Daddy was. He could be of mixed race parentage. According to the people in this area that knew Clinton’s Mother, her legs had more airtime than a professional airline pilot.


14 posted on 08/22/2008 10:17:22 AM PDT by vetvetdoug
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To: edcoil

What about our Black Irish Presidents?


15 posted on 08/22/2008 10:18:12 AM PDT by auboy (Men who cannot deceive others are very often successful at deceiving themselves. Samuel Johnson)
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To: wideawake

His race notwithstanding, my favorite president.


16 posted on 08/22/2008 10:19:07 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (His Negritude has made his negritude the central theme of this campaign)
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To: clamper1797
He won’t be the first idiot either
Nor the last, but hopefully not the next!
17 posted on 08/22/2008 10:31:30 AM PDT by jimmango
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To: AnAmericanMother

While visiting the Harding house in Marion last year, I saw the pictures of his grandparents hanging in the hallway on the second floor. Looking at the one picture, one could only conclude that his paternal grandfather was black.


18 posted on 08/22/2008 10:59:15 AM PDT by AdvisorB (Baraq is the Arabic name of the winged horse that took mohammed to paradise from the DomeoftheRock)
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To: edcoil

Hasn’t genetic research shown we’re all “black” as in coming from Africa?

Second question: Why do we care? Anybody who is for or against Obama because he’s “black” is a racist, pure and simple.


19 posted on 08/22/2008 10:59:20 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: Mr.Smorch
Yep, the original AH article had lots of pictures (the onlive archive is simply text, scanned in and not proofread too carefully), including of Harding's paternal grandparents. It was that grandfather's mother who was rumored to be "a full-blooded African," as they said in those days.

Harding was not of particularly good family - his dad was an itinerant patent medicine salesman who anointed himself a doctor after a stint as a vet . . . . it was his social climbing, predatory wife who pushed him into the presidency. If W.G. had had his way, he would have spent his life as a newspaper editor in Blooming Grove, playing poker with the boys and living it up.

Ike Hoover, who as head usher in the White House for almost 40 years saw a lot of life, said that Taft was a ladies' man, but Harding was "a sporting ladies' man."

20 posted on 08/22/2008 11:35:49 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: AnAmericanMother

“it was his social climbing, predatory wife who pushed him into the presidency.”

that sounds oddly familiar somehow...


21 posted on 08/22/2008 11:59:05 AM PDT by stefanbatory
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To: stefanbatory
Yeah, there's a lot of that going around.

And frankly, when it comes to scary-looking women, she makes Hillary (or Michelle) look like an amateur -


22 posted on 08/22/2008 12:50:41 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: muawiyah
I think that I can see a resemblance to her famous son, but not much to the actor to whom she is supposedly also related.

Nancy Hanks Lincoln

23 posted on 08/22/2008 12:53:36 PM PDT by Mila
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To: vetvetdoug

Married 4 times and outlived 3 out of 4 of them.


24 posted on 08/22/2008 12:55:07 PM PDT by murron (Proud Marine Mom)
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To: Mila

My goodness, I just took a good look at her hands. She had some incredibly loooong fingers.


25 posted on 08/22/2008 12:56:37 PM PDT by Mila
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To: Mila

Marfan’s Syndrome?


26 posted on 08/22/2008 1:04:33 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: edcoil
Joel A. Rogers and Dr. Auset Bakhufu have both written books documenting that at least five former presidents of the United States had Black people among their ancestors.

Are they at the "Lovenstein Institute"?

Andrew Jackson's parents were born in Ireland (Scots-Irish). That makes it very unlikely that he had African-American ancestry.

The story about Harding has been around for a long time. It was spread by a professor who hated him. We still don't know if it has any credibility at all, but it may be one reason for Harding's insecurity. It's been said that many early settlers of the Middle West may have been part-Black and blended into the White population over the years, but who can say whether they included Harding's own ancestors?

The story about Coolidge is based on the lack of knowledge of his maternal grandfather's ancestry and the man's last name: Moor. That's not much. But for what it's worth, here's Coolidge's mother, Victoria Josephine Moor Coolidge:

Again, who can really say?

27 posted on 08/22/2008 1:15:58 PM PDT by x
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To: Joe 6-pack
I have read that before. I looked it up because my grandfather looked very much like the man in the photo and his family came to Texas from eastern Tennessee. I was looking for the Melungeon surnames but I did not find them.
28 posted on 08/22/2008 1:16:35 PM PDT by Ditter
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To: Mr.Smorch
I saw the pictures of his grandparents hanging in the hallway on the second floor

His grandparents were hung in the hallway? That's cruel.

;-)

29 posted on 08/22/2008 1:23:37 PM PDT by savedbygrace (SECURE THE BORDERS FIRST (I'M YELLING ON PURPOSE))
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To: Ditter
I've always been fascinated by such things since I was quite young. I remember one of Leonard Nimoy's In Search Of specials on the Roanoke Colony and speculation about the Lumbee Indians in North Carolina, some of whom have blue-gray eyes.

Where I grew up in western PA, there were a number of small coal towns dotting the map where groups of eastern europeans were herded directly from Ellis Island and sent into the mines. As late as the 1980's, you could find second or even third generation folks in these towns speaking with eastern european accents.

The Melungeons are particularly fascinating because the lack of concensus on where even the name comes from opens up a whole lot of possibilities that if proven, could force a significant rewrite of some of our history.

30 posted on 08/22/2008 1:35:10 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: AnAmericanMother

"Marfan’s Syndrome?"

Yes, that was my thought as well."

31 posted on 08/22/2008 2:05:15 PM PDT by Mila
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To: Joe 6-pack
I find human migration interesting as well. Whenever I go to Fredricksburg Texas I love hearing German spoken and in Louisiana people still speak some French. I don't know much about my family's history except they all came to Texas in wagons, horseback and probably on foot.
32 posted on 08/22/2008 2:17:09 PM PDT by Ditter
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To: wideawake; Lonesome in Massachussets
Calvin Coolidge may well have been the whitest person who ever lived.

Coolidge himself claimed to have American Indian ancestors.

33 posted on 08/22/2008 2:27:11 PM PDT by wideminded
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To: AnAmericanMother
Taft was a ladies' man

A 320 pound ladies' man.

34 posted on 08/22/2008 2:37:53 PM PDT by wideminded
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To: x
The problem with the Coolidge argument (aside from the obvious fact that his mama has about the most English features I've ever seen) is that "moor" equally applies to certain windswept, heather-encrusted features of the landscape in England . . . .

I think Harding himself had the last word. He didn't know himself - how could we know?

35 posted on 08/22/2008 2:49:08 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: wideminded
True - with a bathtub to match.

I think what was meant is that he appreciated the ladies, but didn't let things go too far. That's always been a socially acceptable attitude, at least until recently!

36 posted on 08/22/2008 2:51:59 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: savedbygrace

LOL!

Pictures of .......,

Amos Kling would have liked to have strung up those Hardings....along with Warren.


37 posted on 08/23/2008 9:46:16 AM PDT by AdvisorB (Baraq is the Arabic name of the winged horse that took mohammed to paradise from the DomeoftheRock)
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Who the hell cares about the racial background of Lincoln, et al? Does it matter?

And we call the Dems race-obsessed...


38 posted on 08/23/2008 9:54:08 AM PDT by Arnie001
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To: vetvetdoug

It’s comments like this that make Dems think us Repubs are pigs and racists. Let’s drag everything into the gutter!


39 posted on 08/23/2008 9:54:09 AM PDT by Arnie001
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To: AnAmericanMother
I don't particularly like John Dean, but Mr.Dean has written a riveting book about Warren G. Harding as part of Arthur Schlesinger, Jrs series entitled the "American Presidents."

Harding had quite a few achievements in his limited tenure as POTUS.

Dean makes the case that Harding was a reformist Conservative who was instrumental in creating the Bureau of the Budget which saved over a billion dollars in government outlays. Dean says that Harding's budget hawk approach set the stage for the dramatic prosperity that came to be known as the roaring twenties.

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40 posted on 08/23/2008 10:08:20 AM PDT by AdvisorB (Baraq is the Arabic name of the winged horse that took mohammed to paradise from the DomeoftheRock)
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To: Arnie001
Prove the statement incorrect n00bie. Clinton's Mother's reputation is factual. The inference comes from primary sources, not those that live across the country and defending her because she was a Democrat.
41 posted on 08/23/2008 10:12:37 AM PDT by vetvetdoug
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To: vetvetdoug

If the reputation is factual, show the proof. And even if it is true, so what? How does it further the Republican cause?


42 posted on 08/23/2008 1:57:28 PM PDT by Arnie001
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To: Arnie001
No matter what we do or say, the Democrats are going to paint us as pigs and racists. Nothing we do will satisfy them except rolling over and playing dead. As for Clinton's Mother, there were plenty of articles about her about ten years ago on this website and published and stated about her; her moral and ethical influence (including wrongful deaths) upon Slick Willie is uncontroverted. Her actions forming the basis of The Bent One's persona. You look up the information yourself. One cannot babysit and spoon feed an individual if one is ignorant. You go ahead and play nice with the Democrats all you wish.
43 posted on 08/23/2008 2:24:51 PM PDT by vetvetdoug
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To: Mr.Smorch
I don't buy it.

Dean must be trying to retrieve Bill Clinton's reputation.

44 posted on 08/23/2008 6:35:01 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: AnAmericanMother

Harding was handed a torpid economy that was going through a post WWI inflationary bout. In essence, the economy after 8 years of pummelling from the Wilson progressives, was in horrible shape, similar too the economy that Carter
handed Ronald Reagan in March 1981.

Harding trimmed spending, and reduced taxes across the board. Not even the great one, Ronald Reagan, could pull that one off. The reduced rates and throttled federal spending set the stage for what happened to the economy in the mid-twenties.

If Cox and Roosevelt had won in the election of 1920, and perpetuated the high marginal rates and capital gains rate I don’t believe the economy would have rebounded the way it eventually did in that decade.

Roosevelt was to get his chance in the spring of 1933, and he raised marginal rates and capital gains rates up to a high of 90% and we know what happened....the economy tanked and didn’t recover until WWII. Roosevelt and his progressive minions are responsible for the anemic economic recovery during the thirties.....industrial production didn’t rebound until the forties.


45 posted on 08/24/2008 4:01:37 PM PDT by AdvisorB (Baraq is the Arabic name of the winged horse that took mohammed to paradise from the DomeoftheRock)
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