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Tbilisi admits misjudging Russia
FT ^ | 21 Aug 2008 | Jan Cienski

Posted on 08/23/2008 8:44:45 AM PDT by BGHater

Georgia did not believe Russia would respond to its offensive in South Ossetia and was completely unprepared for the counter-attack, the deputy defence minister has admitted.

Batu Kutelia told the Financial Times that Georgia had made the decision to seize the South Ossetian capital of Tskhinvali despite the fact that its forces did not have enough anti-tank and air defences to protect themselves against the possibility of serious resistance.

“Unfortunately, we attached a low priority to this,” he said, sitting at a desk with the flags of Georgia and Nato (to which Georgia does not belong) crossed behind him. “We did not prepare for this kind of eventuality.”

The Georgian military felt there was only a low probability of a massive Russian counter-attack, despite the bloody way in which Russia destroyed Chechnya, on the other side of the Caucasus mountains, in two wars during the 1990s and the fact that separatists in South Ossetia and Abkhazia had Russian backing.

Georgian forces were unprepared when the Russian counter-strike came, Mr Kutelia said. “I didn’t think it likely that a member of the UN Security Council and the OSCE would react like this,” Mr Kutelia said.

His amazement that Russia would use force against a smaller neighbour was echoed by David Darchiashvili, head of the parliamentary European integration committee. “No one expected Russia would mobilise and invade,” he said

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Russia
KEYWORDS: georgia; russia; southossetia; tbilisi; war
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To: spetznaz

suite-care nukes = suit-case nukes


51 posted on 08/24/2008 4:35:43 AM PDT by spetznaz (Nuclear-tipped Ballistic Missiles: The Ultimate Phallic Symbol)
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To: spetznaz
[What 'keyboard warriors'? I haven't seen anyone in this thread propose military action against Russia. Again, what are you talking about?] Maybe not on this thread,

Right, so you agree.

but when this nonsense started over in S.Ossetia there were a bunch of FReepers (including some I respected) who were talking about the need for the US military to rapidly dispatch A-10 Warthogs and B-2 Stealth Bombers into the region.

But what does this have to do with the issue at hand (=is Russia right or wrong)? Because Freepers in some other thread advocated military action, and you don't (I'm guessing), that makes Russia....right? No. Yet that was the tack taken by L.J.

As I've said multiple times now, some need to learn to separate the issues (1) is Russia in the right and (2) should the US have a military response.

[more irrelevant stuff about posts you read in other threads from other Freepers and disagreed with, deleted]

iii) There is no 'good side' in this fight ....the Russians were in the wrong, but the Georgians are not the saints people were making them out to be.

Who's making Georgians out to be "saints"? Oh, nevermind, I can guess - probably someone in some other thread.

While I agree with you there's no 'good' side necessarily, that doesn't mean one side can't be way more in the wrong than the other. I think most people here know which side that is, even some of the ones pretending not to.

52 posted on 08/24/2008 5:02:57 AM PDT by Dr. Frank fan
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To: calex59
The Georgians didn't start the war

Yes they did. The war in question began August 7 when Georgia's military invaded S.O. Georgia said the invasion was a response to S.O. shelling into Georgia, but the S.O.'s said that isn't true. Who's telling the truth? Who knows?

That doesn't mean the attack wasn't justified

You're looking at recent isolated instances to back up your opinion that US ally Georgia is right and Russian ally S.O. is wrong. My opinion on this matter comes from the root cause of this fighting... the USSR broke up, Georgia gained it's independence from the USSR and the people of the two autonomous regions in Georgia took that opportunity to seek their independence from Georgia.

I believe those people have the right of self-determination. You need to understand that the people of South Ossetia and Abkhazia are not Georgian, and have historically been in conflict with Georgians. They have (successfully) resisted Georgian control since 1991 - that's when this conflict really began.

They responded, as was their right, and Russia, who set the whole thing up, came pouring into Georgia because they had tanks and troops waiting and poised in preparation of Georgia taking the bait and defending themselves.

Maybe you're right... maybe the Russians did engineer the August 7 conflict (I think the Georgians did, but who knows). You can't really use the presence of Russian troops in the area to "prove" your point though - armed conflict has been going on in this area since 1991... you don't think the Russian forces have been there since, oh, say... 1991?

But as I said, the root cause of this wasn't a result of anything other than a centuries-old conflict between people who don't want to controlled by Georgians, and the Georgians who want to control them by force of arms.

I expect you know all this, in fact I would be money on it.

53 posted on 08/24/2008 5:57:31 AM PDT by LIBERTARIAN JOE (Don't blame me - I voted for Ron Paul!)
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To: LIBERTARIAN JOE
Yes they did. The war in question began August 7 when Georgia's military invaded S.O. Georgia said the invasion was a response to S.O. shelling into Georgia, but the S.O.'s said that isn't true. Who's telling the truth? Who knows?

How can you invade a part of your own country?

54 posted on 08/24/2008 5:59:24 AM PDT by dfwgator ( This tag blank until football season.)
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To: LIBERTARIAN JOE

Will you still be singing that tune when it’s the Southwestern US seceeding to form Aztlan?


55 posted on 08/24/2008 6:01:45 AM PDT by dfwgator ( This tag blank until football season.)
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To: dfwgator
How can you invade a part of your own country?

Ask Abraham Lincoln

56 posted on 08/24/2008 6:15:42 AM PDT by LIBERTARIAN JOE (Don't blame me - I voted for Ron Paul!)
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To: LIBERTARIAN JOE

Should have known I was dealing with a Neo-Confederate.


57 posted on 08/24/2008 6:18:01 AM PDT by dfwgator ( This tag blank until football season.)
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To: spetznaz
I enjoyed reading your message.

" i) Georgia got played by the Russians."
Agree 100%

" ii) Russia had no intention of saving the Ossetians...
simply wanted to punch the Georgians in the nose
and show that NATO was nothing more than a paper tiger."

Agree with what you say but there is still more to it than that.

" iii) There is no 'good side' in this fight...
the Russians were in the wrong, but the Georgians
are not the saints people were making them out to be."

Agree that neither party is without sin here,
but while there is not a 'good side', there is certainly a 'better side'.

" iv) Georgia has lost S.Oss and Akhz.
Georgia's sovereignity is intact, but it's integrity is busted."

True in the short term; but the jury is still out in the long term.

" v) It seems that Putin really is the KGB monster some always said he was."
I don't really understand how some ever thought otherwise.

" vi) People expecting the US to take an Iraq-style
approach towards Russia will be sadly disappointed."

It is my sincere hope that no one is "sadly disappointed" if an armed conflict is avoided.
58 posted on 08/24/2008 6:25:36 AM PDT by Repeal The 17th
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To: dfwgator
Will you still be singing that tune when it’s the Southwestern US seceeding to form Aztlan?

Check my posting history... nobody here is more opposed to the invasion and colonization of the US by mexico.

That said, there won't be an aztlan - why would there be? This will be a hispanic nation within the next 50 years. The fact that we're not only allowing it to happen, but actually financing it with our taxes and electing fools to the highest offices that cheer it on and encourage it, says to me that we deserve what's coming.

Besides, what's happening in Georgia isn't similar to the mexican invasion here, it's similar to Kosovo... a region populated by one people being invaded and colonized by another people. As I said in another post, the autonomous regions of Georgia are historically, predominately non-Georgian.

59 posted on 08/24/2008 6:30:39 AM PDT by LIBERTARIAN JOE (Don't blame me - I voted for Ron Paul!)
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To: LIBERTARIAN JOE

Sorry, but you are wrong, Georgians didn’t start the War, Russia did. They set Georgia up by supplying missiles to S O. who then used them to attack Georgia and when Georgia retaliated the Russians moved in troops they had stationed at the border for just this purpose. The Russians had no business being in Georgia regardless. You can spread your BS whereever you want, but don’t expect most of us here on FR to believe it, I certainly don’t.


60 posted on 08/24/2008 6:44:28 AM PDT by calex59
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To: calex59
The Russians had no business being in Georgia regardless

I agree... just like the US has no business being in Iraq, Afghanistan, Germany, Italy, France, Belgium, UK, Poland, Georgia, Saudia Arabia, Quatar, South Korea, Somalia, Japan, Serbia, etc. etc. etc.

You can spread your BS whereever you want...

My "BS" came in the form of facts - care to refute any of them?

...but don’t expect most of us here on FR to believe it, I certainly don’t

Who to believe... you or my lyin' eyes?

61 posted on 08/24/2008 6:57:39 AM PDT by LIBERTARIAN JOE (Don't blame me - I voted for Ron Paul!)
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