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“Now everywhere Biden campaigns, we'll have this question of whether a pro-abortion Catholic can receive communion," he told

This reality hadn't even occurred to me.

1 posted on 08/23/2008 10:07:04 AM PDT by wagglebee
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2 posted on 08/23/2008 10:07:55 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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3 posted on 08/23/2008 10:08:40 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

You didn’t get Joe Biden’s text this morning at 3:12AM saying he’s now Methodist?

4 posted on 08/23/2008 10:11:55 AM PDT by library user
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To: wagglebee
Obama is demonstrating why he is completely unfit to be POTUS.

Picking Biden was a shockingly bad decision.

Baby killing Catholic politicians like Biden and Pelosi are the scourge of the nation, this will be a huge issue in the campaign.

5 posted on 08/23/2008 10:13:06 AM PDT by Rome2000 (Peace is not an option)
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To: wagglebee

There must be a strong pro-life Catholic on McCain’s short list. Anyone know which Catholic has the best shot of those floated? Giuliani?

6 posted on 08/23/2008 10:13:23 AM PDT by ex-snook ("But above all things, truth beareth away the victory.")
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To: wagglebee
It was already easy to oppose CINO Plagiarist Biden.

"The next Republican that tells me I'm not religious I'm going to shove my rosary beads down their throat."

7 posted on 08/23/2008 10:14:59 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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To: wagglebee

Maybe Biden and Obama can do some church shopping together - they are both without a home, let’s see, Rev Wright is out, Farrakhan, probably not, Moonies - Nah, maybe the Whackos from Waco....No..something Californian, feel good, non judgmental sought of like buddhism but allowing you to eat meat and arugula and smoke crack on weekends, and infanticide is okay if you are not in the mood for raising a kid.

10 posted on 08/23/2008 10:19:09 AM PDT by Titus-Maximus (They have noticed the shrinking icecaps on Mars - Ya think it's their coal plants?)
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To: wagglebee

The truth of the matter is that Biden’s selection will not change how Catholics vote anymore than nObama’s nomination did. No Catholic, nay, no Christian should vote for pro-abort politicians regardless of party. But many will.

13 posted on 08/23/2008 10:21:39 AM PDT by big'ol_freeper (A vote for third party is a vote for nObama)
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To: wagglebee
The RC clergy needs to read and understand this about Democrats:

NAsbU Matthew 7:23 "And then I will declare to them,
'I never knew you;

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach Adonai

17 posted on 08/23/2008 10:28:40 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 78:35 And they remembered that God was their ROCK, And the Most High God their Redeemer.)
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To: wagglebee

How does the formerly Catholic, pro-abortion apostate Joseph McClintock Biden make it easier for me to vote for the pro-infanticide Barack Hussein Peter Singer Obama? I must have missed the subtleness of the argument that Biden is the lesser of the two evils? But way back in third grade catechism class I learned that the lesser of two evils is still EVIL.

21 posted on 08/23/2008 10:40:28 AM PDT by MIchaelTArchangel
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To: wagglebee
I don't know if there are any pro-life Catholic politicians. That is one reason I wouldn't have gone with Giuliani.

Now Sibelius' bishop took a firmer stand with her. I don't know who Biden's bishop is, McCormick?

Anyway, they'll just campaign in some other church when they are in the St. Louis diocese or avoid it altogether like Kerry did.

I wish the bishops would present a firm, united front. Unless they actually instruct eucharistic ministers to refuse them communion, it's all just rhetoric. The Catholic pols are going to ignore it as usual and get away with it as usual.

24 posted on 08/23/2008 10:43:48 AM PDT by Aliska
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To: wagglebee
My list keeps growing!

Joe Biden Makes It Easier for Catholics to Oppose Pro-Abortion Barack Obama
McCain attacks Obama on pro-abortion stance
Barack Obama's Sole Article in Harvard Law Review Promotes Abortion

Why Obama Really Voted For Infanticide
Obama's Born-Alive Problem
William A. Donohue: Catholic Left Hangs Itself (5/22/08) [Abortion]
"Until they have reformed their lives" ( No Holy Communion for pro-abortion Catholics!)
African American Pro-Life Leader Tells Barack Obama: No We Can't OK Abortion

They'd be angry at Obama if he was caught saying the N-word. Supporting Infanticide—Not so much.
In 2002, Barack Obama Supported Infanticide and I've Got the Transcript of His Words
Explosive Audio Found - Obama arguing against the Born Alive Infant Protection Act - Audio
Transcript of Obama's verbal opposition to Born Alive on the IL Senate floor

Explosive Audio Found Obama arguing against BAIPA
Audio Found Obama arguing against the Born Alive Infant Protection Act
Abortion foes using racism to make point at DNC [Randall Terry / Operation Rescue]
Why Obama couldn't answer Warren's baby question
Smoking gun? Papers expose Obama's 'infanticide' vote

EXTRA: Archbishop Burke on Catholics who Support Abortion
Senator Barack Obama Wants You to Pay for Abortions
US Bishops Look at Election
John McCain Will Not Pick Pro-Abortion Running Mate, Rules Out Tom Ridge
Vote for Real Hope and Change [Archbishop Chaput]
Catholics who support abortion should not receive Communion, says Archbishop Burke (again :-)
CNN Again Omits Part of the Story Concerning Obama’s Abortion Votes

Obama Flunks Rick Warren's Abortion Question
Obama and the Black American Family Don’t Jibe [Abortion]
Obama Caught Red-Handed in Abortion Lie
Archbishop Naumann hopes Obama realizes Sebelius is a bad Catholic advisor
Obama Facing Attacks From All Sides Over Abortion Record

Barack Obama - Abortion Extremist
Barack Obama lied about babies ‘Born Alive’ vote then smeared Corsi
Babies' Rights and the Definition of Marriage [re: Forum responses by Obama vs. McCain]
Opinion: Doug Kmiec on McCain v. Obama at Saddleback

Obama Cover-up on Born-Alive Abortion Survivors Continues to Unravel...
Life Lies: Barack Obama and Born-Alive
Operation Rescue founder to distribute new flyer: "Is it Immoral to Vote for Obama for President?"
Obama Calls Pro-Lifers Liars
Obama Jun 15: “fathers…at conception” August 16 “answering that question is above my pay grade”

Niece of Martin Luther King Jr. to Lead Prayer Vigil Outside Largest U.S. Abortion Centre
Campaign Admits Obama Lied About Abortion Vote, Media Asleep
Obama “pay grade” comment purposely ignores SCIENTIFIC FACT that LIFE BEGINS AT CONCEPTION
Barack Obama Repeats False Claim Abortions Haven't Declined Under Bush
Obama and Abortion

Obama Says Right to Life Coalition Is Lying About His Record
Barack Obama Says Pro-Life Group Lying About His Pro-Infanticide Votes
Obama's infanticide problem>
Obama and McCain Woo Catholics
Obama's Christian Creds Vs. Abortion and Infanticide

Obama's 10 reasons for supporting infanticide
Mommy Won't Help Dems on Abortion
Abortion Leader Confirms that Democratic Platform is More Pro-Abortion than Ever
Obama More Than An Abortion Radical
Obama’s Abortion Lies (Obama cover-up on born-alive survivors bill)

Life with Obama: Abortion champion
Knighting the Catholic Vote (K of C urging Catholics to vote pro-life)
Linda Chavez: Obama’s Catholic problem
Catholic Voters and 2008
Barack Obama Supports the Murder of Newborn Infants

Obama Lied About Abortion Record
What Barack Obama defended three times: Live Birth Abortion
[OPEN] Supreme K of C Calls for Real "Change" on Abortion and Catholic Revolt against Obama Nation
Obama's Catholic Problem ( Linda Chavez )
Obama’s View on Abortion May Divide Catholics ( "May Divide?" )

Obama loses 26 points among Catholics
Barack Obama's Wife Michelle to Join Hillary Clinton at Pro-Abortion Dinner
OPINION: Senator Obama and the Wall of the Womb
Barack Obama's Pledge to Overturn Every Pro-Life Abortion Law One Year Old
Obama Worse than Clintons on Abortion Says National Right to Life Leader Interview-SCOTUS Critical

Roman Catholics for Obama '08
How can Catholics for Obama rationalize their support for the pro-choice candidate?
Obama’s director of Catholic Outreach ‘dodges’ opportunity to reach Catholics
Barack Obama Slams John McCain For Opposing Abortion, Activist Judges

Catholics and Obama
COMMENTARY: Quandry for Catholics At Election Time
The Latest Refinement (Obama on Abortion)
CNN Runs Biased News Story Covering Up Barack Obama’s Pro-Abortion Record
Jill Stanek: Obama's biggest lie about supporting infanticide
The Battle for Catholic Voters

New Report Indicates Voters Most Interested in Barack Obama’s Position on Abortion
Deal Hudson: Obama and Infanticide?
Ad asks Obama: ‘If fatherhood begins at conception, when does life begin?’
Embryonic stem-cell research immoral, unnecessary, bishops say
Catholics should not vote for Obama
Catholic Caucus: It is a sin to vote/support Obama/DNC [abortion]

More Catholics leaning towards Democrats, poll reports (really not Catholics)
The Catholic-Obama Problem (Pope Benedict XVI instructs Catholics about pro-abortion candidates)
Obama's Abortion Bombshell: Unrestricted Abortion....
NARAL Catholics Line Up for Obama
Editorial: Disagreeing with Doug Kmiec One More Time
State-Funded Embryo Research "Makes Taxpayers Complicit in Killing", say Bishops

McCain Meets Privately with Fr. Pavone - Says Constitutional Right to Life Applies to Unborn
Faithful Citizenship: “Catholic Vote” is very sought after
Has Obama dissolved his Catholic advisory council?
Commentary: Faithful Citizenship and the Formed Conscience
Catholic League: Where's Obama's 'Catholic Advisory Council'? [Not to be found!]
Right-wing Christians beginning to lean left (Misleading headline)

Catholics Debate Obama Vote
US Bishops Urge Voters to Give Priority to Life [Ecumenical]
Corralling the Catholic vote: Political necessity or pipe dream?
DOUG KMIEC: Catholic Reasons for Hope in the General Election
EDITORIAL: Why This Catholic Dreads the Campaign
The Catholic-Obama Problem (Pope Benedict XVI instructs Catholics about pro-abortion candidates)
Thoughts On ‘Roman Catholics For Obama’

How Obama's Catholics Will Dodge the Infanticide Question
Catholic Pro-Life Leader Feuds With Barack Obama's "Catholic" Backers
McCain and the Pope: McCain cannot win in November without the Catholic vote (Reagan re-visited?)
Catholics Cannot Vote for Pols Who Support Abortion, Except for Morally Grave Reasons: KY Bishops

26 posted on 08/23/2008 10:44:21 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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According to America's Founders, life, and the liberty to enjoy it, are unalienable. The word, "unalienable," implies the great truth of Thomas Jefferson's summation that, "The God who gave us life, gave us liberty at the same time: the hand of force may destroy, but cannot disjoin them."

What many citizens today fail to reason through is that the so-called "right to choose," is an invented euphemism of recent decades designed to mask the ugly act of "destroying" the life and liberty of the child in the womb. By that euphemism, an artificial right was bestowed by unelected justices of the Supreme Court of the United States on only one class of citizens (women) to destroy the Creator-endowed, therefore "unalienable" life and liberty of an as-yet-unborn citizen.

This question is the most important one to be considered in the 2008 election of a President.

Consider the logic utilized by those who say they personally oppose taking the life of the child in the womb, but believes in the trite and tired old phrase of "a woman's right to choose."

Why could a 75-year-old daughter not use the same reasoning to apply to a "right to choose" to get rid of an elderly mother whose care is threatening her own health? (And don't say it is not realistic to claim the health risk that many face!)

Or, why should the nation's law not provide that same "right to choose" to both men and women who consider another individual to be a threat to their personal health or wellbeing, an inconvenience to their lifestyle, or merely a burden they cannot take care of?

Clearly, America's laws against the taking of life do not allow for a citizen's "right to choose" murder as an optional way of solving a personal dilemma, no matter how perplexing or burdensome.

Unmask the faulty logic of the fence sitters, and let them articulate what is their real reason for favoring the taking of a life in the womb! Is it not possibly because they do not see children in the womb as beings "endowed by their Creator with the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness"?

Whichever candidate who's most likely to appoint Supreme Court justices who understand this basic principle underlying our liberty and the American Constitution is the only logical choice to lead this nation, in this voter's humble opinion!

28 posted on 08/23/2008 10:46:22 AM PDT by loveliberty2
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Great for Bishop Satarelli!

Supporting the killing of innocent human life obviously excommunicates one from the church. Such a depraved moral state would automatically render one unworthy to receive communion.

42 posted on 08/23/2008 12:18:57 PM PDT by TAdams8591 (Proud Catholic supporter of Governor Mitt Romney for VP and future President of the United States!)
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46 posted on 08/23/2008 1:11:26 PM PDT by narses (...the spirit of Trent is abroad once more.)
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Biden, as a Catholic (he claims to be), is strictly forbidden under the penalty of grave sin and excommunication, from supporting abortion, infanticide, of stem-cell embryo research.

Under the same rules he cannot support Obama in a political effort to promote such evils and continue to receive Holy Communion at Mass. These are the official rules and law in the Catholic Church. For Biden to suggest otherwise is blasphemous and a lie. It not falls to the bishops of Wilmington and Washington, D.C. to clarify this since Biden is now the partner of a candidate who promotes infanticide, the most extreme pro-abortion and pro-infanticide position in American history and the Western world.

52 posted on 08/23/2008 1:39:29 PM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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"Burch concluded: “The American bishops have instructed Catholic voters to consider many issues, but have characterized the defense of human life as ‘foundational’ and have explained that the issue has a special claim on the conscience of the Catholic voter."

It's elementary. Without life, you have no voters!

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54 posted on 08/23/2008 4:06:27 PM PDT by NYer ("Ignorance of scripture is ignorance of Christ." - St. Jerome)
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So their "so called" Catholic VP pick will be in Denver, and the Archbishop of Denver is going to be conspicuously absent since he was not invited to attend any of the functions at the convention.

Ahh well, the Archbishop did state last night on World Over Live, that he will be in a March for Life along with Dr King's niece, during the convention.

Shame on Biden he should be standing next to them.

58 posted on 08/23/2008 4:43:22 PM PDT by mware (F-R-E-E. That spells free. baby)
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Since Obama favors killing any poor souyl who happens to survive an abortion, what do Catholics require to oppose him? Rather, what can Obama offer to make Catholics vote for him...even among VP candidates?

60 posted on 08/23/2008 6:59:37 PM PDT by stevem
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It’s time that Biden’s Bishop challenges him to repudiate abortion or decalre himself excommunicated.

64 posted on 08/25/2008 10:55:55 AM PDT by RichardMoore (
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