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Denver archbishop slams Pelosi on Church teachings and abortion
CNA ^ | August 25, 2008

Posted on 08/25/2008 1:51:53 PM PDT by NYer


Rep. Nancy Pelosi / Archbishop Chaput

Denver, Aug 25, 2008 / 03:27 pm (CNA).- In a statement eloquently titled “On the Separation of Sense and State,” the Archbishop of Denver, Charles J. Chaput, O.F.M. Cap., and his Auxiliary Bishop James D. Conley harshly criticized Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi, for giving a confusing view of the Catholic Church’s teaching on abortion, during a Sunday interview on NBC’s “Meet the Press.”

“Catholic public leaders inconvenienced by the abortion debate” –says the statement- “tend to take a hard line in talking about the ‘separation of Church and state.’  But their idea of separation often seems to work one way.” 

“In fact, some officials also seem comfortable in the role of theologian.  And that warrants some interest, not as a ‘political’ issue, but as a matter of accuracy and justice.”

Archbishop Chaput’s statement recognizes Pelosi as “a gifted public servant of strong convictions and many professional skills” but adds that “regrettably, knowledge of Catholic history and teaching does not seem to be one of them.”

During the Meet the Press interview on August 24, Pelosi responded to a question about when human life begins by saying that “as an ardent, practicing Catholic, this is an issue that I have studied for a long time.  And what I know is over the centuries, the doctors of the church have not been able to make that definition . . . St. Augustine said at three months.  We don't know. The point is, is that it shouldn't have an impact on the woman's right to choose.”

The Archdiocese of Denver argues that since Speaker Pelosi claims to have studied the issue “for a long time,” “she must know very well one of the premier works on the subject, Jesuit John Connery’s Abortion: The Development of the Roman Catholic Perspective (Loyola, 1977).

The statement recall’s Connery’s conclusion: “The Christian tradition from the earliest days reveals a firm antiabortion attitude . . . The condemnation of abortion did not depend on and was not limited in any way by theories regarding the time of fetal animation.  Even during the many centuries when Church penal and penitential practice was based on the theory of delayed animation, the condemnation of abortion was never affected by it.  Whatever one would want to hold about the time of animation, or when the fetus became a human being in the strict sense of the term, abortion from the time of conception was considered wrong, and the time of animation was never looked on as a moral dividing line between permissible and impermissible abortion.”

The Archdiocese’s statement also quotes “the blunter words of the great Lutheran pastor Dietrich Bonhoeffer.”

Bonhoeffer, a strong critic and later victim of the Nazi regime in his native Germany wrote that “the destruction of the embryo in the mother’s womb is a violation of the right to live which God has bestowed on this nascent life. To raise the question whether we are here concerned already with a human being or not is merely to confuse the issue. The simple fact is that God certainly intended to create a human being and that this nascent human being has been deliberately deprived of his life. And that is nothing but murder.”

Archbishop Chaput’s statement continues, explaining that, “ardent, practicing Catholics will quickly learn from the historical record that from apostolic times, the Christian tradition overwhelmingly held that abortion was grievously evil.  In the absence of modern medical knowledge, some of the Early Fathers held that abortion was homicide; others that it was tantamount to homicide; and various scholars theorized about when and how the unborn child might be animated or ‘ensouled.’  But none diminished the unique evil of abortion as an attack on life itself, and the early Church closely associated abortion with infanticide.  In short, from the beginning, the believing Christian community held that abortion was always, gravely wrong.”

Archbishop Chaput also highlighted that “we now know with biological certainty exactly when human life begins.  Thus, today’s religious alibis for abortion and a so-called ‘right to choose’ are nothing more than that – alibis that break radically with historic Christian and Catholic belief.”

“Abortion kills an unborn, developing human life.  It is always gravely evil, and so are the evasions employed to justify it.  Catholics who make excuses for it – whether they’re famous or not – fool only themselves and abuse the fidelity of those Catholics who do sincerely seek to follow the Gospel and live their Catholic faith,” the statement adds.

Finally Archbishop Chaput recalls that “the duty of the state and its officials is to serve the common good, which is always rooted in moral truth.  A proper understanding of the ‘separation of Church and state’ does not imply a separation of faith from political life.  But of course, it’s always important to know what our faith actually teaches.”

Read the full statement at:  http://www.archden.org/images/ArchbishopCorner/ByTopic/onseparationofsense%26state_openlettercjc8.25.08.pdf


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events; Philosophy; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 110th; abortion; bonhoeffer; catholicpoliticians; chaput; deathpanels; lutheran; obamacare; pelosi; zerocare
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To: AnalogReigns; NYer
Yes, the point of a public excommunication is not to throw someone out of the Church, but rather a wake up call that what that person is doing is putting their soul in peril of damnation. Kind of like a spiritual 2x4. It is hoped that the person will "see the light" and return to communion with the Church.

As a side benefit of the public excommunication of public officials, it makes it clear to the faithful that what the public officials are doing or supporting is wrong.

51 posted on 08/25/2008 5:31:19 PM PDT by ELS (Vivat Benedictus XVI!)
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To: NYer

Pelosi’s comments go farther than any pro abortion Catholic pol. I had the Blessed Mario as my governor for 12 years and he parsed the personal/public issue in ways that could make your hair hurt. But even Mario never proposed to speak for Church Dogma. In Catholic theology Pelosi would be responsible for the action of any Catholic who followed her view of abortion and Catholicism.


52 posted on 08/25/2008 6:03:27 PM PDT by xkaydet65 (Freedom is purchased not with gold, but with steel.)
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To: arkady_renko

self government, frequently lauded by those who can fathom it, who can see its incalculable blessings as the greatest gift every given a nation (given, but still having to be apprehended by bloodshed and sacrifice), is not a spectator sport. it is simply unthinkable for an American to adopt a passive attitude about the his government.


54 posted on 08/25/2008 6:18:24 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (when you're bot, you're pwn3d)
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To: the invisib1e hand
it is simply unthinkable for an American to adopt a passive attitude about the his government.

Or a Catholic his Faith. Good post.

a_r

55 posted on 08/25/2008 6:31:00 PM PDT by arkady_renko
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To: NYer
Because our Lord came for the sinners. What good is accomplished by tossing them out of the Church. The proper and most Christ like approach is to correct them - first in private then, if necessary, publicly. The bishop is following in the footsteps of Christ, the Shepherd.

Jesus had no trouble clearing the temple of the money changers. Pelosi, Biden, Kennedy, Kerry, etc.... are no better.

The Catholic Church does not need members that will lead others into sin. Much better to kick these few out to send a clear message to the rest of the flock. They can always publicly recant their errors, go to confession and come back into communion.

Jesus welcomed the woman caught in adultery when she mended her ways.

56 posted on 08/25/2008 6:45:09 PM PDT by verga (I am not an apologist, I just play one on Television)
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To: verga
Does anybody have any idea what she is referring to when quoting the Saint, any book, or is she just pulling this out of thin air?
57 posted on 08/25/2008 6:51:30 PM PDT by reefdiver (He voted to Kill the infants - Because the intended Abortion was unsuccessful. You think your safe)
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To: arkady_renko
Good post.

Just passing on what was given me.

I proofed it, reposted it, asked the Mod to delete the first one, and still missed at least one typo.

58 posted on 08/25/2008 6:56:45 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (when you're bot, you're pwn3d)
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To: reefdiver
Does anybody have any idea what she is referring to when quoting the Saint, any book, or is she just pulling this out of thin air?

Agustine believed that "life began" when the woman could feel the baby move. He believed that this was the time of ensouldment. I believe that this is what some refer to as "the quickening", but I could be wrong.

I did a google on it, but all the recent references were to Pelosi and I just can't remember the quote from Augustine.

59 posted on 08/25/2008 7:12:51 PM PDT by verga (I am not an apologist, I just play one on Television)
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To: Sgt_Schultze

Catholic churches don’t have Sunday School.


60 posted on 08/25/2008 7:58:28 PM PDT by lolhelp
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To: NYer

BTTT


61 posted on 08/25/2008 8:47:02 PM PDT by hattend (Obama is a lying idiot. We're so screwed. - Rush Limbaugh)
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To: the invisib1e hand
I don't normally associate Bonhoffer's era with being so egregious about abortion that he would have spoken out about it.

It is said that just before Bonhoeffer was executed, a guard taunted him by saying "Now your life ends," and Bonhoeffer responded: "No; now it begins."

62 posted on 08/25/2008 9:34:55 PM PDT by hsalaw
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To: NYer

Pelosi is a Catholic like Jews for Jesus are Jews. So she isn’t.


63 posted on 08/25/2008 9:47:47 PM PDT by LiberalsSpendYourMoney (Liberalism is a tax on humanity)
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To: NYer
Rumor has it that Chaput has been selected to replace NY Cardinal Egan.
Great news, NYer. Tx for the heads up.
64 posted on 08/26/2008 9:29:19 AM PDT by eastsider
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To: reegs
My guess is that Pelosi is acquainted with liberal priest who reassure her that what the archbishop says is only the “official line,” and they will name theologians who agree with him.
65 posted on 08/26/2008 10:18:05 AM PDT by RobbyS (Ecce homo)
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To: RobbyS
Pelosi should be out of the Church “ Post Haste”, but they will make an accommodation for her, because of 1. The National notoriety she brings to the Church. 2. Because of the Money she gives the Church, 3. The Bishops and Cardinals and Poopes are a toothless bunch of old Lions who don't want to rock the boat.
66 posted on 08/26/2008 12:05:44 PM PDT by BooBoo1000 (Some times I wake up grumpy, other times I let her sleep/)
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To: Salvation

Those CINO’S that support the drilling of - I cannot say it without getting ill, well the only time when they will change is when they are on their death-bed and the Priest is administering the Last Rites, God help their souls./Just Asking - seoul62......


67 posted on 08/27/2008 5:16:45 PM PDT by seoul62
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To: BooBoo1000

“Pelosi should be out of the Church “ Post Haste”, “

She has excommunicated herself, however any excommunicant can still attend mass - they are not supposed to present themselves to communion however.

“but they will make an accommodation for her, because of 1. The National notoriety she brings to the Church.”

Please specify who “they” are.
Several bishops have publicly rebuked Pelosi, including her own bishop.
Do you really believe the Church welcomes or celebrates this type of “National notoriety” after all the work it has done for the pro-life cause?

“2. Because of the Money she gives the Church,”

And I suppose you have documentation of this?
You personally are aware of Pelosi’s bishop’s desire to ignore her based on dollars?
And if Pelosi stopped giving to the Church tomorrow (a real possibility) - you are aware the church will survive?
If “they” were truly afraid of her financial power - then why are they publicly humiliating her?

“3. The Bishops and Cardinals and Poopes are a toothless bunch of old Lions who don’t want to rock the boat.”

Some bishops yes, some bishops no.
The current pope? No - I have to strongly disagree.


68 posted on 08/27/2008 5:24:41 PM PDT by Scotswife
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To: NYer
Thank God that Our Lord's Bishops and Archbishops are putting on the Armor of God and fighting back vocally against this grievous evil. Abortion is based on deception, and Nancy Pelosi is not only deceived by the Devil but acts as his PR agent.

Finally, the truth is coming out. Anyone who votes for a pro-abortion politician is committing a mortal sin and will answer for it before the Lord.

69 posted on 08/30/2008 7:44:19 PM PDT by pray4liberty (Stand up and pray up!)
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To: NYer
Because our Lord came for the sinners. What good is accomplished by tossing them out of the Church.

By their own actions and beliefs, they have already tossed themselves out of the Church. If they refuse to repent, they have denied the faith and are worse than an unbeliever.

All they need to do is go to Confession, stop supporting abortion and refuse to allocate taxpayer money to fund it.

70 posted on 08/30/2008 7:52:46 PM PDT by pray4liberty (Stand up and pray up!)
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To: AnalogReigns
Even Jesus himself opined the fact that many people called him "Lord" but didn't DO what he said, and stated that if we truly loved him, we would keep his commandments.

Thou shalt not kill is one of them.

71 posted on 08/30/2008 7:55:18 PM PDT by pray4liberty (Stand up and pray up!)
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