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Bishops Correct Speaker Nancy Pelosi: On the Separation of Sense and State
Catholic Online News (Catholic.org) ^ | August 25, 2008 | Archbishop Charles Chaput & Bishop James Conley

Posted on 08/25/2008 3:33:03 PM PDT by topher

Bishops Correct Speaker Nancy Pelosi: 'On the Separation of Sense and State'

By Archbishop Charles J. Chaput, O.F.M. Cap. and Bishop James D. Conley

8/25/2008

"Abortion kills an unborn, developing human life. It is always gravely evil, and so are the evasions employed to justify it."

DENVER, CO (Archdiocese of Denver) - The Bishops of the Archdiocese of Denver, Colorado, site of the Democratic convention, issued a letter directed to the faithful of the Archdiocese of Denver entitled "Separation of Sense and State: A Clarification for the People of the Church in Northern Colorado.We set forth this fine letter for the readers of Catholic Online in its entirety:

To Catholics of the Archdiocese of Denver:

Catholic public leaders inconvenienced by the abortion debate tend to take a hard line in talking about the "separation of Church and state." But their idea of separation often seems to work one way.

In fact, some officials also seem comfortable in the role of theologian. And that warrants some interest,not as a "political" issue, but as a matter of accuracy and justice.

Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi is a gifted public servant of strong convictions and many professional skills. Regrettably, knowledge of Catholic history and teaching does not seem to be one of them.

...

Most Rev. Charles J. Chaput, O.F.M. Cap.
+Archbishop of Denver

James D. Conley
+Auxiliary Bishop of Denver

(Excerpt) Read more at catholic.org ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Government; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; US: Colorado
KEYWORDS: catholicvote; chaput; obama; pelosi; renderuntocaesar
The good Archbishop has recently published a book to guide Catholics in matters of the Faith and Political Life.
1 posted on 08/25/2008 3:33:03 PM PDT by topher
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To: topher
There is also this link at the Archdiocese of Denver:

PDF file on statement by Bishops of Archdiocese of Denver -- http://www.archden.org/images/ArchbishopCorner/ByTopic/onseparationofsense%26state_openlettercjc8.25.08.pdf

2 posted on 08/25/2008 3:34:32 PM PDT by topher (Let us return to old-fashioned morality - morality that has stood the test of time...)
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To: topher

LOL


3 posted on 08/25/2008 3:35:31 PM PDT by Earthdweller
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To: topher

We need to really pray for this bishop. He’s a good one!


4 posted on 08/25/2008 3:37:28 PM PDT by SumProVita ("Cogito ergo sum pro vita." .....updated Descartes)
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To: topher
New book by Archbishop Charles Chaput:

Render Unto Caesar: Serving the Nation by Living Our Catholic Beliefs in Political Life

Book was released August 12, 2008.

Link to the book on the Archdiocesan site:

Render Unto Caesar -- http://www.archden.org/RenderUntoCaesar/

5 posted on 08/25/2008 3:38:16 PM PDT by topher (Let us return to old-fashioned morality - morality that has stood the test of time...)
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To: NYer; Salvation; cpforlife.org; Coleus

ping


6 posted on 08/25/2008 3:39:45 PM PDT by topher (Let us return to old-fashioned morality - morality that has stood the test of time...)
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To: topher
Shame he won't right a book about getting rid of pedophile priests!
7 posted on 08/25/2008 3:40:09 PM PDT by Devilinbaggypants (Life's hard...but it's a lot harder when you're stupid! - John Wayne)
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To: topher
From the article:
Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi is a gifted public servant of strong convictions and many professional skills. Regrettably, knowledge of Catholic history and teaching does not seem to be one of them.

Is this a zinger... It has got to sting!!!

The Good Shepherd of Denver is scrambling some eggs this week and they end up on the faces of the Democratic Party.

The Good Shepherd of Denver will hold a prayer vigil with the neice of Martin Luther King, Jr. at an Abortion Clinic in Denver this week...

8 posted on 08/25/2008 3:42:49 PM PDT by topher (Let us return to old-fashioned morality - morality that has stood the test of time...)
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To: Devilinbaggypants
It is a shame that you are a contributor on FreeRepublic...

Oh well, we all must live with our devils...

9 posted on 08/25/2008 3:43:53 PM PDT by topher (Let us return to old-fashioned morality - morality that has stood the test of time...)
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To: Devilinbaggypants
"Shame he won't right a book about getting rid of pedophile priests!"

Why do I smell divisive skunk around here so much these days? Are we about to have an election or something?

10 posted on 08/25/2008 3:45:45 PM PDT by Earthdweller
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To: topher

San Fran Nan ... The first female (non elected) Pope. /sarc


11 posted on 08/25/2008 3:49:18 PM PDT by Don Corleone (Leave the gun..take the cannoli)
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To: Coleus; nickcarraway; narses; Mr. Silverback; Canticle_of_Deborah; TenthAmendmentChampion; ...
Pro-Life PING

Please FreepMail me if you want on or off my Pro-Life Ping List.

12 posted on 08/25/2008 3:49:54 PM PDT by cpforlife.org (A Catholic Respect Life Curriculum is available FREE at CpForLife.org)
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To: Devilinbaggypants
Shame he won't right a book about getting rid of pedophile priests!

It's a shame you don't get the point of the article.

And I hope you don't dishonor that screen name. I was part of the 82ND's 1st Brigade, 2/504 (Abn)(Inf), and as a proud member of those "Devils in baggy pants", I'm very protective of my 'brothers'.

So don't do anything stupid.

13 posted on 08/25/2008 3:52:37 PM PDT by airborne (OBAMAbinBIDEN - (copyright pending))
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To: Devilinbaggypants; topher; Earthdweller

?? Devil, sounds like you feel you missed an opportunity.


14 posted on 08/25/2008 3:54:45 PM PDT by Jacquerie (American public education is a form of child abuse - Mark Steyn)
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To: Devilinbaggypants
Welcome New Person:

Being a proud member of The Free Republic Freepathon Committee for Only The Good People Who Are Good, Brave, and Love Chocolate, you are hereby instructed to punch here prior to making any more posts. The directions are easy to follow. However, should you need assistance, feel free to contact me.

Thank you.

15 posted on 08/25/2008 4:00:25 PM PDT by Bradís Gramma (Typical Whitey Gramma just like Obamies!)
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To: Devilinbaggypants
Shame he won't right a book about getting rid of pedophile priests!

Welcome to FR, newbie. BTW, I recommend you preview your posts prior to delivery:

Shame he won't write a book about getting rid of pedophile priests!

The Bishop doesn't need to write a book. Most Catholic Dioceses have instituted a multitude of programs aimed at protecting our children. For example, all volunteers in the Dallas Diocese are background-checked, and are required to attend annual "Safe Child" training.

Did these programs commence too late? No doubt. However, progress is being made.

16 posted on 08/25/2008 4:03:02 PM PDT by Night Hides Not (John McCain is Lucy, McCainiacs are Charlie Brown, and the football is a secure border.)
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To: topher

When will Democrats realize that they’re only making fools of themselves when they pretend to respect religion. Here’s three reasons off the top of my head why they need to end the charade:

1: They always seem to get it wrong. Whether it’s Al Gore, Hillary, or Pelosi, they always either misquote the Bible, or take short sentences out of context and twist them around to make them suit their needs, which are usually the complete opposite of what the Bible intends to say.

2: Everyone knows they’re just pandering. Does anyone actually believe that the party of “separation of church and state,” abortion, gay marriage, and overall hatred of Christianity is basing any of their views on Judeo-Christian beliefs? Radical Islamic beliefs maybe, but if anyone thinks they have any respect Christianity I’ve got a bridge to sell you.

3: God can’t be happy with them. Something tells me that if He doesn’t like blasphemy or heresy, then using the Bible itself to bring down Christianity probably gets Him pretty miffed. When these big name Democrats die, I think they’ll be in for quite a surprise.


17 posted on 08/25/2008 4:04:41 PM PDT by NavySon (Pelosi : Constitution : : Hitler : Versailles Treaty)
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To: Devilinbaggypants
Shame he won't right a book about getting rid of pedophile priests!

I'm glad that pedophile priests are getting the heave-ho and prison time.

BTW, I wonder why so many people think

Celibate Buddhist monks are a great idea,
but
celibate Catholic priests aren't

18 posted on 08/25/2008 4:05:23 PM PDT by syriacus (Barry schmoozed with real estate developers while his constituents bailed sewage out of their sinks.)
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To: airborne
LOL...I got the point of the article...IMHO...I just find it interesting that they'll condemn abortion so strongly but when it comes to the pedophile priest issue they're strangely silent.

You're the first to recognize my handle! I served in the 2nd brigade from 77 to 80...how about you...and thanks for keeping an eye out for me.

19 posted on 08/25/2008 4:06:10 PM PDT by Devilinbaggypants (Life's hard...but it's a lot harder when you're stupid! - John Wayne)
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To: topher

If I offended you I sincerely apologize!


20 posted on 08/25/2008 4:09:59 PM PDT by Devilinbaggypants (Life's hard...but it's a lot harder when you're stupid! - John Wayne)
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To: Devilinbaggypants
Hello again, New Person:

Since you have served our country in our military, you may ignore this thingy.

:)

21 posted on 08/25/2008 4:13:10 PM PDT by Bradís Gramma (Typical Whitey Gramma just like Obamies!)
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To: Devilinbaggypants
but when it comes to the pedophile priest issue they're strangely silent.

You obviously know nothing about Chaput let alone the statements of numerous other Bishops regarding the issue. So rather than continue making a fool out of yourself, just shut the hell up, putz.

22 posted on 08/25/2008 4:13:25 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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To: topher; All

The following describes John the Baptist, who is still in his mother’s womb, leaping for joy at the presence of Jesus, who is still in his mother’s womb.

Luke 1:39-45

And Mary arose in those days, and went into the hill country with haste, into a city of Juda; And entered into the house of Zacharias, and saluted Elisabeth. And it came to pass, that, when Elisabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and Elisabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost: And she spake out with a loud voice, and said, Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb. And whence is this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me? For, lo, as soon as the voice of thy salutation sounded in mine ears, the babe leaped in my womb for joy.


23 posted on 08/25/2008 4:14:46 PM PDT by donna (Don't let the sound of your own wheels drive you crazy.)
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To: Devilinbaggypants

http://www.freerepublic.com/~airborne/


24 posted on 08/25/2008 4:15:12 PM PDT by airborne (OBAMAbinBIDEN - (copyright pending))
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To: Devilinbaggypants
... when it comes to the pedophile priest issue they're strangely silent.

They have not been strangely silent. If you don't know that already (and I wonder how you wouldn't know that having access to the Internet as you do), I suggest you use your Internet skills and search on comments by the good Archbishop and other bishops on the pedophile (really, homosexual) priest issue.

And by the way, you're not supposed to hi-jack a thread and bring up extraneous issues. Start your own thread if you want to discuss that issue.

25 posted on 08/25/2008 4:20:05 PM PDT by choirboy
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To: topher

Thats a long winded way of saying “She’s a dumb ass”


26 posted on 08/25/2008 4:21:36 PM PDT by reefdiver (He voted to Kill the infants - Because the intended Abortion was unsuccessful. You think your safe)
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To: topher
Bishops Correct Speaker Nancy Pelosi: 'On the Separation of Sense and State'

Does Nancy care?

No.

27 posted on 08/25/2008 4:23:03 PM PDT by Rudder
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To: choirboy

Jeeez guys...I’m sorry to offend all of you...ok!


28 posted on 08/25/2008 4:23:31 PM PDT by Devilinbaggypants (Life's hard...but it's a lot harder when you're stupid! - John Wayne)
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To: Devilinbaggypants
Shame he won't right a book about getting rid of pedophile priests!

Pehaps he will, once you remove the beam from your eye.

Report: Protestant Church Insurers Handle 260 Sex Abuse Cases a Year

29 posted on 08/25/2008 4:26:17 PM PDT by NYer ("Ignorance of scripture is ignorance of Christ." - St. Jerome)
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To: Devilinbaggypants

A friendly word of advice.

FreeRepublic isn’t like any other forum. When you post a comment, be aware that there is bound to be several bona fide experts on the subject.

So if you bring up pedophile priests on a thread, you better know what you’re talking about, because you can bet there’s about 100 others who will.

Good luck! You’re gonna need it!


30 posted on 08/25/2008 4:26:19 PM PDT by airborne (OBAMAbinBIDEN - (copyright pending))
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To: topher
The Democrats'Univited Guest

The Democrats' uninvited guest Posted Aug. 19, 2008 11:53 AM || by Phil Lawler || category Commentary

When the leaders of the Democratic Party gather in Denver for their nominating convention, they'll hear from a number of prominent religious leaders. They'll hear from several prominent Catholics, too. But they won't hear from the Archbishop of Denver, points out Julia Duin of theWashington Times.

Archbishop Charles Chaput would be a very, very interesting convention speaker. He's intelligent, witty, modest, and thoughtful. He has taken a special interest in the relationship between religion and politics, as demonstrated by his new book, Render Unto Caesar.

But if you were a Democratic leader… if you were a supporter of Senator Obama… would you want to hand Archbishop Chaput the microphone? Nope. His message would not be congenial to the "pro-choice" crowd.

Ray Flynn, former Boston mayor and later US ambassador to the Vatican, tells the Washington Times that the failure to include Archbishop Chaput is "a serious oversight" on the part of Democratic Party leaders. Serious, yes. Oversight, no. 


31 posted on 08/25/2008 4:46:07 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: topher

xlnt


32 posted on 08/25/2008 4:47:21 PM PDT by purpleraine
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To: topher
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33 posted on 08/25/2008 4:49:50 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Salvation

What are the other Catholic leaders going to do, give a weather report?


34 posted on 08/25/2008 4:51:37 PM PDT by purpleraine
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To: Brad's Gramma
"punch here prior to making any more posts"

That should be a rule here. It would discourage 99% of the trolls.

35 posted on 08/25/2008 5:02:09 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Jimmy Carter is the skidmark in the panties of American History)
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To: Devilinbaggypants
Five years ago the Roman Catholic Church took serious steps to prevent anyone from sexually abusing youth.

For example, in my parish, you have to go through a special training program to work with Youth. So not only is there strict rules for priests, there are also strict rules for the lay people.

When I lived in Atlanta, circa 2003-2004, a Hispanic priest just rested his hand on the shoulder of a 7th grade girl.

Hispanic people are very much into hugging and very outgoing.

He may not even realized what he did.

But the girl told her family that the priest "touched her" and did not describe what really happened.

When the truth came out, the priest had already been transferred to another parish, which was a shame.

The 7th grade girl was upset he was transferred and the family, once they knew the truth, saw no harm in what happened -- except that the priest was transferred.

So these issues are taken very seriously by the Roman Catholic Church, which rejects homosexuality and homosexual marriages -- which other supposed Christian Faiths do not...

What has happened in the past in rather unfortunate...

And I am sorry for the victims.

But I assure you that ALL ROMAN CATHOLIC DIOCESES in the United States have procedures to deal with predator priests...

If it happens again, then the church should defrock the priest and allow the priest to be convicted by civil authorities so he can be sent to jail...

36 posted on 08/25/2008 7:16:48 PM PDT by topher (Let us return to old-fashioned morality - morality that has stood the test of time...)
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To: reefdiver
reefdiver wrote:

Thats a long winded way of saying “She’s a dumb ass”

As an Archbishop, he is not allowed to say that -- directly...

When Pope John Paul II was alive and a number bishops and the Cardinal of Los Angeles visited the Vatican, Pope John Paul II made it point to talk about pro-life values.

Why did Pope John Paul II do that?

Because the Cardinal from Los Angeles did not take a strong pro-life stance, and it was Pope John Paul's way of putting this Cardinal in the Catholic penalty box -- in a sort of sutle way...

Basically, the Cardinal acted one way, which was not in line with Church Teaching, and that was the subject Pope John Paul chose to speak about. As subtle as hitting someone over the head with a hammer -- by Vatican politics...

37 posted on 08/25/2008 7:24:23 PM PDT by topher (Let us return to old-fashioned morality - morality that has stood the test of time...)
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To: Devilinbaggypants

Oh, he may get to that, right after you learn to spell ‘write’.


38 posted on 08/25/2008 7:26:44 PM PDT by BelegStrongbow (what part of 'mias gunaikos andra' do Episcopalians not understand?)
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To: purpleraine
There are two reasons that Chaput did this in his diocese.

There was quite a ruckus about this same issue with Chaput in 2004 -- the NY Times misquoted him, then the NY Times had to give Chaput a column so that what he really said was corrected.

Then MSNBC and CNN got involved and walked away with black eyes (both networks).

This year the convention is in Denver, and on August 12, 2008, Archbishop Chaput released his book Render Unto Caesar ... Catholic Beliefs in Political Life

There were quite a few bishops, archbishops, and Cardinals that made statements during the 2004 election.

I think Chaput is doing this to get Catholics to read his book and bring attention to Catholics not to listen to political leaders about Catholic Church teaching but rather to Church Leaders...

39 posted on 08/25/2008 7:42:33 PM PDT by topher (Let us return to old-fashioned morality - morality that has stood the test of time...)
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To: airborne
Sorry about my comment. I was unsure who I was dealing with.

If this guy was airborne and he chose his handle based on the unit's name, then I am very sorry.

In World War II, there was the Devil's Brigade

This Obama fellow scares me with his ties to Weather Underground and Black Panthers. So I want the Veterans to back the Swift Boaters and also back McCain...

40 posted on 08/25/2008 8:01:25 PM PDT by topher (Let us return to old-fashioned morality - morality that has stood the test of time...)
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To: topher
I heard one person could not order this book from Amazon.

I was able to order from another site, and that site claimed it has >20 copies. That is not very many copies of a book that was just released 13 days ago...

41 posted on 08/25/2008 8:03:30 PM PDT by topher (Let us return to old-fashioned morality - morality that has stood the test of time...)
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To: topher; Devilinbaggypants

He’s just a newbie who got a Freeper welcome, much like I did when I first joined back in 2000. If he’s anything like the paratroopers I know, he’ll survive.

Here’s a little history on the origins of one of the 82nd Airborne’s own -

“The Devils in Baggy Pants”
http://home.hawaii.rr.com/pir504/strikehold.html

Regimental History

Entry found in the diary of a German officer killed at Anzio:

“American parachutists — devils in baggy pants — are less than 100 meters from my outpost line. I can’t sleep at night; they pop up from nowhere and we never know when or how they will strike next. Seems like the black-hearted devils are everywhere...”


42 posted on 08/25/2008 8:18:23 PM PDT by airborne (OBAMAbinBIDEN - (copyright pending))
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To: topher

thanx


43 posted on 08/25/2008 9:07:07 PM PDT by purpleraine
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To: Devilinbaggypants

If you know of any pedophile priests (actually ephebophiles - but whatever!) that have not been gotten rid of already - please notify the police and it will get taken care of.


44 posted on 08/25/2008 9:11:04 PM PDT by Scotswife
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To: Devilinbaggypants
Shame he won't right a book about ... pedophile priests!

So you can compare notes?

45 posted on 08/26/2008 12:14:18 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Merci beau coup.)
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To: Jeff Chandler
Let's also talk about other churches and their pedophile clergy. Percentages are about the same in all walks of life!!
46 posted on 08/26/2008 4:34:28 AM PDT by GregB (Never forget Lance Cpl. Juan Lopez-Castaneda!!!!!!!)
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To: Devilinbaggypants; airborne
Sorry for being so harsh on the poster Devilinbaggypants. But he sounded like someone that was offended by the attacks on Nancy Pelosi and was taking a swipe at the Church in return.

We have had trouble with Moonbats, Trolls, and media coming into FreeRepublic causing trouble. For example, the ruckus in Maryland over a Democratic pretending to be a conservative getting an aid of the then Republican governor fired (and allowing the Washington Post access to private Freeper emails).

This was the case of MD4Bush. MD4Bush was clearly a sneak attack on Freerepublic...

In apology, I probably should not be too sensitive about issues such as attacks on the Church. I really should.

Sorry...

47 posted on 08/26/2008 6:56:38 AM PDT by topher (Let us return to old-fashioned morality - morality that has stood the test of time...)
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To: topher

Thanks...it was an off handed insensitive post and I too apologize ;-)


48 posted on 08/26/2008 7:11:42 AM PDT by Devilinbaggypants (Audaces fortuna iuvat.)
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