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Mercury’s Magnetic Field is Young!
Creation on the Web ^ | August 26, 2008 | Dr. Russell Humphreys

Posted on 08/25/2008 7:26:38 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts

Once again, a NASA space probe is supporting the 6,000-year biblical age of the solar system. On 14 January 2008, the Messenger spacecraft flew by the innermost planet of the solar system, Mercury. It was the first of several close encounters before Messenger finally settles into a steady orbit around Mercury in 2011.1 As it passed, it made quick measurements of Mercury’s magnetic field and transmitted them successfully back to Earth. On 4 July 2008, the Messenger team reported the magnetic results from the first flyby.2

As I mentioned on the CMI website earlier,3,4 I have been eagerly awaiting the results, because in 1984 I made scientific predictions—based on Scripture—about the magnetic fields of a number of planets, including that of Mercury.5 Spacecraft measurements6,7 have validated three of the predictions, highlighted in red in the web version of the 1984 article. The remaining prediction was:

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Dr. Humphreys is batting a thousand!
1 posted on 08/25/2008 7:26:41 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: DaveLoneRanger; valkyry1; Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus; tpanther; MrB; GourmetDan; metmom; ...

ping!


2 posted on 08/25/2008 7:29:30 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

And forget the germ theory. It’s really evil spirits that cause disease.


3 posted on 08/25/2008 7:33:23 PM PDT by mc6809e
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To: GodGunsGuts

Read Later Bump.., Cool!


4 posted on 08/25/2008 7:37:21 PM PDT by valkyry1
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To: All
I think people like Dr Humphreys need to realize this:
1. The Earth is not flat.
2. The universe is way older than 6000 years.
3. The Earth is not the center of the universe.

5 posted on 08/25/2008 7:43:24 PM PDT by KevinDavis (If Obama can't handle a town hall debate, then he can't handle the job of being President.)
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To: mc6809e

Michael Medved’s belief in Bigfoot dilutes his message too.


6 posted on 08/25/2008 7:45:19 PM PDT by MarkeyD (Steele for VP!)
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To: KevinDavis
Now you've done it ace, the villagers are lighting their torches, gathering their pitchforks and heading to your house. ;=)
7 posted on 08/25/2008 7:48:51 PM PDT by The Cajun (Mind numbed robot , ditto-head, Hannitized, Levinite)
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To: mc6809e

==And forget the germ theory. It’s really evil spirits that cause disease.

Dr. Humphreys made three specific scientific predictions with respect to the magnetic fields of three planets in our solar system, and all three of them were validated by satellite data. He based these predictions on the biblical notion that our solar system is roughly 6,000 years old. Do you suppose he just got lucky?

And why would I want to forget the germ theory? Not only is it empirically true, but several creationist scientists were instrumental in its development.


8 posted on 08/25/2008 7:51:18 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: KevinDavis

==I think people like Dr Humphreys need to realize this: 1. The Earth is not flat. 2. The universe is way older than 6000 years. 3. The Earth is not the center of the universe.

We agree on #1. But can you demonstrate #2? As for #3, while it can be demonstrated that the Earth is not the center of the universe, what is your evidence that that the universe has no center?


9 posted on 08/25/2008 7:56:40 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts
Here's a lot more information on the Young Earth "science" of Dr. Humphreys:

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/helium/zircons.html

10 posted on 08/25/2008 8:01:43 PM PDT by rosenfan
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To: GodGunsGuts

Two groups amuse me:

Vegetarians who are supposedly happy with their choices but are constantly eating meat flavored this and that

and

The devout who are supposedly secure in their beliefs but spend their time trying to prove scientists wrong


11 posted on 08/25/2008 8:04:50 PM PDT by Mediocrates (The Audacity of Hype)
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To: GodGunsGuts

“As I mentioned on the CMI website earlier,3,4 I have been eagerly awaiting the results, because in 1984 I made scientific predictions—based on Scripture—about the magnetic fields of a number of planets, including that of Mercury.5 Spacecraft measurements6,7 have validated three of the predictions,”

Oh please. When a probe is sent out like this, scientists already have a prediction on what the results will be and usually they are right on or very close. Anybody can take the scientists predictions, pick and choose and twist scripture to create some rational to predict the same thing, then sit back and pretend they proved something.

If the universe is only 6000 years old, God went to a LOT of trouble to make it look otherwise. There are stars over 100 million light years away, and we can only seem them because they were there 100 million years ago when they first emitted the light that now reaches us.


12 posted on 08/25/2008 8:06:32 PM PDT by Grig
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To: GodGunsGuts

Thank you for this evidence supporting a young universe. While no human observer was present at the origin of the universe, God was. And he records it in His Word.

Evidence in the physical world around us points to special creation, the irrelevance of Evolutionism, and a young universe.

Those Ptolemaics defending the crushed evolutionary model not withstanding.

Keep up the great work!


13 posted on 08/25/2008 8:07:05 PM PDT by TFMcGuire (Either you are an American, or you are a liberal)
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To: GodGunsGuts; All

Fine... You can find proof here on Earth that Dinosaur bones are a least way older than 6000 years.... I would say a million or more..


14 posted on 08/25/2008 8:07:36 PM PDT by KevinDavis (If Obama can't handle a town hall debate, then he can't handle the job of being President.)
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To: mc6809e
The guy may do weird science, but his articles are well referenced.

Humphreys, D.R., Magnetic message from Mercury, 5 February 2008. Return to text.
Humphreys D.R., Mercury’s magnetic message is not yet clear, 16 February 2008. Return to text.
Humphreys, D.R., The Creation of planetary magnetic fields, Creation Research Society Quarterly 21(3):140–149, 1984. Return to text.
Humphreys, D.R., Beyond Neptune: Voyager II supports creation, ICR Impact #203, May 1990. Return to text.
Humphreys, D.R., Mars Global Surveyor confirms creation! Creation Matters 4(3):9, June 1999. Return to text.
Humphreys, D.R., Mercury’s Messenger, Creation Matters 9(4):1,9, July/August 2004. Return to text.
Humphreys, D.R., The creation of cosmic magnetic fields, Proceedings of the Sixth International Conference on Creationism, Creation Science Fellowship, Pittsburgh, PA, USA, and Institute for Creation Research, Dallas, TX, USA, pp. 213–230, August 2008; see Figure 7 on p. 220. Hardcopy or CD copy of proceedings available from http://www.icc08.org/. Return to text.


15 posted on 08/25/2008 8:09:32 PM PDT by js1138
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To: rosenfan

Rebuttals of Kevin Henke's assertions

Response to criticism of RATE’s helium diffusion dates

Off-site rebuttals

Helium Evidence for a Young Earthby Russel Humphreys

Helium Evidence for A Young World Overcomes Pressureby Russel Humphreys

Livingdino replies to Kevin Henkeby Phillip O’Donnell

Response to “Young Earth Creationists’ Hypocrisy on Discrimination” written by Kevin R. Henke, Ph.D. by Dr. Jerry Bergman

A Reply to Dr. Henke and Othersby David Plaisted

A Further Reply to Dr. Henke by David Plaisted

Another Reply to Dr. Henkeby David Plaisted

Reply Number 4 to Dr. Henke by David Plaisted

Response by Guy Berthault to criticism of his "Stratigraphy"

16 posted on 08/25/2008 8:14:53 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: Mediocrates
==The devout who are supposedly secure in their beliefs but spend their time trying to prove scientists wrong

Actually, it's devout scientists falsifying Darwin's unscientific fairytale. But don't worry, the epigeneticists are busy falsifying Darwin too. It won't be long before Darwin's fairytale is taken out with the trash, and the evos are forced to come up with a new God-denying theory to take its place. It will probably come in the form of a neo-Lamarckian resurgence, led by the field of epigenetics.

17 posted on 08/25/2008 8:21:31 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

LOL


18 posted on 08/25/2008 8:26:07 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: KevinDavis
==Fine... You can find proof here on Earth that Dinosaur bones are a least way older than 6000 years.... I would say a million or more..

Then how do you explain this???


19 posted on 08/25/2008 8:27:38 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

If the universe is only 6,000 years old, then how can it contain quasars that are 28 billion light years distant from Earth?


20 posted on 08/25/2008 8:27:44 PM PDT by Fiji Hill
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To: KevinDavis
“1. The Earth is not flat.”

Yes it is, otherwise my drink cup would fall over.

“2. The universe is way older than 6000 years.”

Way Older? Cool scientific lingo in a sentence wont impress anyone. Besides, did you save any receipts proving that?

“3. The Earth is not the center of the universe.”

Well you just try and find a parking space anywhere else mister! How do you know we aren't the center of the universe? Been to the edge? For all we know, 70’s fashion aside, we are the hippest beings in existence.

21 posted on 08/25/2008 8:28:40 PM PDT by IrishCatholic (No local communist or socialist party chapter? Join the Democrats, it's the same thing.)
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To: Fiji Hill

==If the universe is only 6,000 years old, then how can it contain quasars that are 28 billion light years distant from Earth?

Gravitational time dilation.


22 posted on 08/25/2008 8:28:46 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: TFMcGuire

Thank you for your kind words, sir!


23 posted on 08/25/2008 8:31:12 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts
Good luck with your Conservapedia article.
24 posted on 08/25/2008 8:31:59 PM PDT by Mediocrates (The Audacity of Hype)
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To: mc6809e
And forget the germ theory. It’s really evil spirits that cause disease.

Shouldn't you be on DU cursing people who blaspheme against Al Gore and Global Warming?

25 posted on 08/25/2008 8:32:44 PM PDT by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: GodGunsGuts
Thanks for the post.
Dr. Humphreys' work is often creative, original, and thought provoking. His book, Starlight and Time, was quite a profound way of reconciling a 'young' earth/universe model with stars that are billions of light-years away from earth.

And thanks for posting the links below (actually, somewhere above my response) -- I'll have to check them out later.

26 posted on 08/25/2008 8:34:27 PM PDT by El Cid (Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house...)
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To: GodGunsGuts
Don't put your whole young earth belief in this one specimen:

Ancient T. rex tissue, or just old slime?

27 posted on 08/25/2008 8:36:47 PM PDT by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: GodGunsGuts
But can you demonstrate #2

M104(Sombrero Galaxy) 28 million light years from Earth, we are seeing the light now.

Your turn.

28 posted on 08/25/2008 8:38:04 PM PDT by SengirV
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To: El Cid

And we thought all the moonbats were libs...


29 posted on 08/25/2008 8:39:34 PM PDT by mavfin (Personal freedom, personal responsibility)
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To: Coyoteman

I’m waiting for Walt Brown to make an appearance.


30 posted on 08/25/2008 8:41:50 PM PDT by js1138
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when you have dating methods with built in ‘old age’ assumptions....it’s not that surprising THAT YOU GET OLD DATE RESULTS......

duh

by he way, where is the refutation of humphreys on his correct predictions?


31 posted on 08/25/2008 8:42:00 PM PDT by raygunfan
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To: Grig
If the universe is only 6000 years old, God went to a LOT of trouble to make it look otherwise.

No doubt the speed of light is an illusion or a tool of the devil or whatever. All these fanatics do is butcher science and discredit religion. I do not understand people who get fixated on one obscure idea -- the universe is 6000 years old -- the earth is at the center of the universe -- people and dinosaurs co-existed -- and they are obsessed with this one idea until it is virtually the sum of their religion. They reduce Christianity to a crude cult of numerology. In their own way they are almost as bad as the agnostic churchmen who reduce religion until it is almost nothing.

32 posted on 08/25/2008 8:43:10 PM PDT by Wilhelm Tell (True or False? This is not a tag line.)
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To: KevinDavis
1. The Earth is not flat.

Scripture never asserts that it is. Rather, in Isaiah 40:22, we read "It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:" (KJV) Just because the RCC persecuted those who said otherwise, does NOT mean it is a Biblical teaching. For what it's worth, the RCC accepts evolution.

2. The universe is way older than 6000 years.

Your right, this must be accepted, for it cannot be proven. There a several indicator of a young earth, e.g deacaying moon orbit, decaying magnetic field of earth, increasing salinity of the oceans, etc.

3. The Earth is not the center of the universe.

How do you expect to prove that? If it were, and God stretched out the heavens as the scripture says, we would expect every star we observe to display a doppler shift away from us. Guess what we observe? Instead, 'scientist' imagine the ever expanding balloon theory...

33 posted on 08/25/2008 8:45:37 PM PDT by jimmyray
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To: SengirV

Ever hear of gravitational time dilation?


34 posted on 08/25/2008 8:52:23 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

You are finding, as usual, that for evolutionists, it doesn’t really matter what actual empirical evidence that confirms hypotheses says. Evolution is an axiom - it can be assumed to be true, regardless of the evidence or anything else.


35 posted on 08/25/2008 8:52:46 PM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (Here they come boys! As thick as grass, and as black as thunder!)
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To: GodGunsGuts
IIRC, they have decided that those weren't what they thought they were, but rather what they called “biofilms.”

http://astrobio.net/news/index.php?name=News&file=article&sid=2828

36 posted on 08/25/2008 8:53:34 PM PDT by Old Student (We have a name for the people who think indiscriminate killing is fine. They're called "The Bad Guys)
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To: GodGunsGuts
Dr. Humphreys is batting a thousand!

YES! He really is batting a thousand! (if he his batting a non existent religious ball in a theoretical evangelical zero vacuum batting cage) Yea YEC! Faith without reason wins again!

Next, our esteemed colleague in science, Rosie O'Donnell explains how the World Trade Center was an inside job and was the result of a controlled demolition because steel can’t melt. (As far as she knows but then she did have a popular TV show).

Next up on the agenda:

Dinosaurs harmlessly frolicked with children in the Garden of Eden (We have no proof of course, but we do have some very cool animatronics that look pretty convincing. Haven’t you seen Jurassic Park? Don’t you believe that it’s real? Disney did an equally good job with “It’s A Small World After All. Have you never been to Chucky Cheese?)

The Egyptian Pyramids – designed by space aliens or angels? (Could there be any other reasonable answer? – Of course it was angels)

Man didn’t walk on the Moon, it was all staged on a Hollywood movie set (Because to believe otherwise would have to mean we accept a heliocentric solar system and a whole bunch of other scientific-y sort of stuff that we don’t really understand and don’t want to think about because it’s just too hard).
37 posted on 08/25/2008 8:55:14 PM PDT by Caramelgal (Just a lump of organized protoplasm - braying at the stars :),)
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To: Wilhelm Tell
the universe is 6000 years old -- the earth is at the center of the universe -- people and dinosaurs co-existed


38 posted on 08/25/2008 8:55:59 PM PDT by Fiji Hill
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To: Wilhelm Tell
They reduce Christianity to a crude cult of numerology.

What's easier to believe:

1. That everything we see is just a series of chance accidents, rocks sprang to life, and evolved into the myriad of life we see today. There is no sin, no God, no moral absolutes, and no afterlife, and no design to anything we see.

2. God, who made everything in 6 days, became a man, died for the sins of the world, and raised His dead body back to life again? He is the Moral Absolute, He is Life, and He defines sin. Oh, and he will hold us accountable.

#1 is much preferred, because I get to decide right & wrong, thus, I am god. All Hail Darwininian Evolution, for it frees us from guilt!

39 posted on 08/25/2008 8:56:34 PM PDT by jimmyray
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To: GodGunsGuts

Thanks for the ping!


40 posted on 08/25/2008 8:58:33 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: The Cajun; KevinDavis
I think people like Dr Humphreys need to realize this:
1. The Earth is not flat.
2. The universe is way older than 6000 years.
3. The Earth is not the center of the universe.

Now you've done it ace, the villagers are lighting their torches, gathering their pitchforks and heading to your house. ;=)

while I agree w/ you...
KD, Your on your own, they'll never find me...

I live on a road mapquest/googlemap can't find.
each place my house 5 miles away from its actual position.

41 posted on 08/25/2008 9:00:27 PM PDT by skinkinthegrass (If you aren't "advancing" your arguments,your losing "the battle of Ideas"...libs,hates the facts 8^)
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To: Coyoteman
Don't put your whole young earth belief in this one specimen

So you agree, then, that the independent migration of Potassium and Argon out of and into samples can dramtically change the apparent age of a dated specimen?

42 posted on 08/25/2008 9:02:18 PM PDT by jimmyray
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To: mavfin
And we thought all the moonbats were libs...

If only that was true. Unfortunately when debating some of my liberal friends I have to spend way too much time disavowing my supposed fellow conservatives who espouse some completely moonbat views that have nothing to do at all with Conservatism.
43 posted on 08/25/2008 9:05:46 PM PDT by Caramelgal (Just a lump of organized protoplasm - braying at the stars :),)
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To: jimmyray

http://www.asa3.org/ASA/RESOURCES/WIENS.html#page 4


44 posted on 08/25/2008 9:07:01 PM PDT by js1138
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To: SengirV
M104(Sombrero Galaxy) 28 million light years from Earth, we are seeing the light now.

Beautiful, isn't it? Of course, there is no evolutionary reason for us to appreciate beauty of this magnitude.

I will be happy to explain to you how it can be apparently so far away, and still be only 6000 years old, when you explain the wave-particle duality of light, how gravity works, and how you know the speed of light has been constant since the beginning, whenever you think it is.

45 posted on 08/25/2008 9:08:11 PM PDT by jimmyray
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To: Caramelgal
Great list, but you left out Gravity: It's Only A Theory.
46 posted on 08/25/2008 9:14:37 PM PDT by mountainbunny
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To: GodGunsGuts
I made scientific predictions—based on Scripture...

Yessir

47 posted on 08/25/2008 9:18:13 PM PDT by Rudder
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To: jimmyray
Don't put your whole young earth belief in this one specimen

So you agree, then, that the independent migration of Potassium and Argon out of and into samples can dramtically change the apparent age of a dated specimen?

My comment was in relation to a new article suggesting the "dinosaur blood" was possibly a biofilm of recent age rather than fossilized soft tissue 70 million years old.

That has nothing to do with potassium and argon. But here is what appears to be a good article dealing with that subject.

By the way, a google search shows that the presumed migration of potassium and argon into and out of samples is a major creationist talking point. I found a couple of dozen creationist websites all dealing with that subject.

See if the article I linked to helps explain the details. I don't know that much about this particular subject (my specialty is radiocarbon dating, not the other methods of radiometric dating).

48 posted on 08/25/2008 9:18:31 PM PDT by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: GodGunsGuts

Ol’ Doc Humphreys hasn’t yet figured on relativity. His 6ky figure is fine, but given E=mc² and the density (m/v) of the expansion across its myriad phases, 15by is okay too.


49 posted on 08/25/2008 9:20:43 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: GodGunsGuts

So, you are saying the theory of relativity is valid then?


50 posted on 08/25/2008 9:23:04 PM PDT by wafflehouse (RE-ELECT NO ONE !)
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