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To: Prophet in the wilderness
I wish the Pope himself would say something directly in rebuking Nancy Pelosi about abortion and gay rights.

Her statement was factually incorrect and her position is morally wrong. Why can't the Pope just summarily excommunicate her himself? I think she deserves it.

18 posted on 08/26/2008 1:51:16 AM PDT by NewHampshireDuo (Earth - Taking care of itself since 4.6 billion BC)
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To: NewHampshireDuo
Here's the problem: Pelosi, a Roman Catholic whose district includes most of San Francisco, said she has not encountered such difficulties in her church...“I think some of it is regional,” [Pelosi] said, “It depends on the bishop of a certain region, and, fortunately for me, communion has not been withheld and I’m a regular communicant, so that would be a severe blow to me if that were the case.”

Frankly, I'm surprised Wuerl, devout Dem that he is, said anything at all (although you will note that he did not tell her she should not go to Communion or say anything that even implied this). I'd be truly stunned if her own bishop, Niederauer, even goes so far as to say anything.

The problem is that authority in the Church is extended through the bishops. If they refuse to act, while it is theoretically possible for the Pope to go out and do whatever he wants, it's very difficult and in practice usually doesn't occur. I am hoping that one of the other more orthodox and Rome-friendly bishops will address this problem (with both Pelosi and Biden) more forcefully, although what the bishops are doing now to avoid responsibility is simply claiming that unless this person lives in their diocese, it's outside of their control and there's no point in their getting involved. The only exception seems to be Chaput of Denver.

Well, I shouldn't be so negative. This may be a limited positive sign, but it's positive nonetheless, and maybe it means that the bishops are slowly coming to their senses (or getting enough pressure from Rome to make it happen).

20 posted on 08/26/2008 2:05:31 AM PDT by livius
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To: NewHampshireDuo; MarkeyD; Prophet in the wilderness
Anyone who supports abortion by voting for someone who supports abortion has already excommunicated themself. The only way that person can again be communicated is by confessing this mortal sin, repenting, and promising to amend their actions/ways.

From the Catechism of the Catholic Church:

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1 Since the first century the Church has affirmed the moral evil of every procured abortion. This teaching has not changed and remains unchangeable. Direct abortion,
URL: http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/para/2271.htm
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2 Formal cooperation in an abortion constitutes a grave offense. The Church attaches the canonical penalty of excommunication to this crime against human life. "A
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2 From its conception, the child has the right to life. Direct abortion, that is, abortion willed as an end or as a means, is a "criminal" practice (GS 27 § 3),
URL: http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/para/2322.htm
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gravely opposed to the moral law when this is done with the thought of possibly inducing an abortion, depending upon the results: a diagnosis must not be the equivalent
URL: http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/para/2274.htm

37 posted on 08/26/2008 8:54:31 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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