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Energy Independence II ( John Stossel still doesn't "get it!" )
townhall.com | August 27, 2008 | John Stossel

Posted on 08/27/2008 6:32:39 AM PDT by kellynla

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There are just so many inaccuracies in this piece, I just don't have the time to address them all.

But one that stands out is "When we trade dollars to foreigners for oil, they have to do something with those dollars." Yes, John, many of those countries that we purchase oil from use the proceeds to purchase arms to kill American Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen & Marines!

Sheesh...Stossel get a grip!

We're paying for the WOT on BOTH ENDS!

1 posted on 08/27/2008 6:32:39 AM PDT by kellynla
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To: thackney

ping


2 posted on 08/27/2008 6:34:09 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: kellynla

He’s absolutely right on all counts.


3 posted on 08/27/2008 6:36:16 AM PDT by DManA
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Well, “right on all counts”, maybe you can clue us all in as to how it is to America's advantage to fund our enemies so that they are able to continue to purchase arms that kill our Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen & Marines and fund the WOT on BOTH ENDS!

THIS I gotta hear!

4 posted on 08/27/2008 6:41:56 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: kellynla
Precisely. National security always distorts the free market to some degree (if only because the government needs to collect taxes in order to pay for it), but is nevertheless essential.

A bit of economic distortion calculated to (in the short run) reduce the revenue to hostile regimes and (in the long run) replace oil-based fuels altogether so that these regimes would have their air supply choked off is definitely the lesser of the two available evils.

5 posted on 08/27/2008 6:50:20 AM PDT by steve-b (Intelligent design is to evolutionary biology what socialism is to free-market economics.)
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To: kellynla

Maybe you can clue us in on how we can extract ourselves from the world economy without plunging us back into a pre-industrial revolution life style.


6 posted on 08/27/2008 6:55:29 AM PDT by DManA
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To: steve-b

You grossly underestimate the distortion we are talking about.


7 posted on 08/27/2008 6:56:49 AM PDT by DManA
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To: DManA

try answering my question first...


8 posted on 08/27/2008 6:57:56 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: kellynla

Most of the money goes to Canada and Mexico. What about the huge trade deficit with China, which in turn, invests much of it into US T-bills? Stossel gets it.


9 posted on 08/27/2008 7:01:33 AM PDT by kabar
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“Stossel gets it?”

Okay, Marine, you wanna address the issue in my first post.


10 posted on 08/27/2008 7:04:20 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: kellynla

It is the cost of living our lifestyle. Try living a subsistence lifestyle for a year then tell me if it’s worth the cost.


11 posted on 08/27/2008 7:06:10 AM PDT by DManA
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To: kellynla

America already buys only a smaller percentage of oil from the Middle East. In order to de-fund Islamic states, you must also convince the rest of the world to stop buying from them.


12 posted on 08/27/2008 7:08:31 AM PDT by GOP_Party_Animal
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To: kellynla

If you add the military budget to protect ourselves from states with oil (Russia, Iraq, Iran, Vennie and so on) to the price of oil, suddenly solar power starts looking a little more attractive.


13 posted on 08/27/2008 7:09:16 AM PDT by babble-on
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To: kellynla

Mideast oil will be sold... to someone. If the U.S. refuses to purchase it, some other country (China?) will. The funds will still go into the Mideast whether we buy the oil or someone else buys it.


14 posted on 08/27/2008 7:10:32 AM PDT by CharacterCounts (When you discover rats in your house, you only have two options - fumigate or tolerate.)
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Its not the distribution pattern, its the global price of oil that causes the problem. To lower the price, ultimately global demand needs to drop. We can do part of that by funding alternatives, especially nuclear power for electric transportation (trains, battery hybrids) but also other alternatives too.


15 posted on 08/27/2008 7:11:09 AM PDT by babble-on
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To: CharacterCounts

but the price might drop if we produced more here, and used less


16 posted on 08/27/2008 7:11:54 AM PDT by babble-on
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To: babble-on

True, but Stossel does not argue against drilling here. His argument is that it is in our best interest to buy at the cheapest price, whether the oil comes from here, Canada or the Mideast.


17 posted on 08/27/2008 7:14:48 AM PDT by CharacterCounts (When you discover rats in your house, you only have two options - fumigate or tolerate.)
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To: kellynla
When we trade dollars to foreigners for oil, they have to do something with those dollars." Yes, John, many of those countries that we purchase oil from use the proceeds to purchase arms to kill American Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen & Marines!

Oil is a global commodity. All oil is fungible. Whether we buy it or not doesn't matter since oil is a commodity in high demand. These "proceeds" will be available to the producers regardless of where we spend our money.

Canada is our biggest trading partner. 23% of our exports go there and 17.4% of our imports come from Canada, followed by China 13.3%, Mexico 10.6%, Japan 8.8%, and Germany 5.2%.

What specific countries are you referring to in terms of oil purchases that help fund terrorists? Here is a list of countries we import oil from and the amounts

18 posted on 08/27/2008 7:15:27 AM PDT by kabar
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To: DManA

“It is the cost of living our lifestyle?”

Yea, well I tell ya what, the next Marine’s funeral I attend, you can come along and tell that line of BS to the widow & orphans...

“Try living a subsistence lifestyle for a year then tell me if it’s worth the cost?”

If it means dead & maimed Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen & Marines, it is definitely NOT “worth the cost!”

And if you had served and/or lost a loved one in combat;
you would know better than to make such an outrageous comment!

Finally, FYI, there is absolutely no reason on earth why we can not only “subsist” but PROSPER without trading with countries who are our enemies...let us all know when you “get it!”

sheesh...........


19 posted on 08/27/2008 7:18:11 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: kellynla

He is absolutely correct.

I didn’t know anyone in the media actually understood this fact. It seems there’s at least one.


20 posted on 08/27/2008 7:19:07 AM PDT by Petronski (Velveeta:Cheese::DNC08:Success)
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