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Dems fear Invesco effect(Obama temple)
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Posted on 08/27/2008 9:01:33 PM PDT by maccaca

Senior Democratic officials are expressing serious concerns about the political risks posed by Barack Obama’s acceptance speech at Invesco Field at Mile High Stadium Thursday evening.

From the elaborate stagecraft to the teeming crowd of 80,000 cheering partisans, the vagaries of the weather to the unpredictable audience reaction, the optics surrounding the stadium event have heightened worries that the Obama campaign is engaging in a high-risk endeavor in an uncontrollable environment.

A common concern: that the stadium appearance plays against Obama’s convention goal of lowering his star wattage and connecting with average Americans and that it gives Republicans a chance to drive home their message that the Democratic nominee is a narcissistic celebrity candidate.

“We already know he is a rock star, we already know he can bring 85,000 people together in a stadium. He has done it multiple times. He needs to talk to people who haven’t made up their minds yet,” said Tennessee Gov. Phil Bredesen.

“It’s likely that the campaign would do it differently if it had to do it again because the decision was made before the European trip,” said a senior Democratic elected officeholder who has worked closely with the Obama campaign. The GOP narrative of Obama as celebrity took root during that trip, where the Illinois senator played to large crowds of adoring Europeans.

Obama campaign officials acknowledged the apprehension Wednesday.

“I have heard some of the concerns and criticism that it’s such a big venue,” said a senior Obama campaign aide. “It’s no surprise that people could be a little nervous. We’re trying to do something new.”


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To: Texas4ever
Anyone know weather predictions? Lets start a rain dance..

Remember "The Dead Zone"?

51 posted on 08/27/2008 9:35:59 PM PDT by synbad600
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To: littlehouse36

Cute idea.


52 posted on 08/27/2008 9:36:06 PM PDT by patriot08
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To: Brimack34

I like it!


53 posted on 08/27/2008 9:36:29 PM PDT by WKL815 (If the phrase 'Personal Responsibility' makes you defensive, you may be a liberal.)
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To: ken21

(redo) You know, the more I hear about B. Hussein Obama, his convention appearance, gaffes, and ideas for solving real problems; the more I think of him as being Homer Simpsonesque.

What would Homer Simpson do if he were running for President? He’d give a big speech on the 50 yard line of the Springfield football stadium, with a stage that looks like the Parthenon and talk about the 57 United States, and inflating tires to save the planet.


54 posted on 08/27/2008 9:36:55 PM PDT by PhiloBedo (I won't be happy until Jet-A is $2.00 a gallon)
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To: KoRn

“This is going to be the 2008 version of “The Wellstone Memorial”.”

I wouldn’t count on it. He’s a terrific speaker. It’s an entirely scripted, teleprompted, non-spontaneous event. It’s where he does best. I suspect he will give a great speech.

I see everyone chortling over the train wreck coming. But don’t forget, the enemy adapts.

The whole “greek temple” narrative has been good though. A lot of folks will watch the event expecting to see one and that’s exactly what they’ll see. So that’s a little victory.


55 posted on 08/27/2008 9:36:57 PM PDT by ModelBreaker
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To: Domandred

“What band is playing pre-Obama?”

An article (and FR topic) a day or two ago said Jon Bon Jovi would perform before Obama’s speech, and Bruce Springsteen after. But a report today said that Springsteen would not be there, so it’s not certain.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2067652/posts

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2069216/posts


56 posted on 08/27/2008 9:37:34 PM PDT by Will88 (.)
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To: maccaca

The thing that really isn’t going to sit right with Obama’s celebrity event tomorrow night is here is a guy who is tied in the polls at best who is acting like a superstar in his own manufactured events.

Obama is no more popular than McCain, in fact, his favorability ratings are lower. So why he frontin’?


57 posted on 08/27/2008 9:37:37 PM PDT by counterpunch (John McCain - For the LOVE of Country)
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To: KC_Conspirator

“He needs to climb on the roof and yell “I am a golden god” and leap into a swimming pool like in “Almost Famous”.”

Or, insist that we worship his horse. OK, he’s never ridden a horse. So we have to worship his cat.


58 posted on 08/27/2008 9:39:18 PM PDT by ModelBreaker
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To: A message

AlGore will be there - it’s going to snow.


59 posted on 08/27/2008 9:40:51 PM PDT by NonValueAdded ("Michelle Obama is the only woman in the world who can make Hillary look warm and cuddly.")
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To: littlehouse36

McCain needs do a commercial from a little league field.]

Baseball, hotdogs, apple pie & John McCain :-)


They need to emphasize McCain’s all American-ness..contrast it to Obama’s ‘foreigness”


60 posted on 08/27/2008 9:41:21 PM PDT by patriot08
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To: xDGx
FEAR THE TEMPLE POSSUM!!

61 posted on 08/27/2008 9:43:51 PM PDT by Roscoe Karns
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To: Hattie
Back row, third from left, John Kerry at NASA.

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62 posted on 08/27/2008 9:44:25 PM PDT by synbad600
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To: ModelBreaker

“Greek Temple”

As I said in a post above,

Remember Captain Kirk meeting Apollo?

“Simple humanoid, Captain.”

“Evidently not simple enough ...”

“What do you want?”

“I want you to worship me!”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGXkHYw1cyI


63 posted on 08/27/2008 9:45:14 PM PDT by garjog (Used to be liberals were just people to disagree with. Now they are a threat to our existence.)
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To: maccaca
If I were a Dem adviser, I would really wince at all this.

Presidential candidates should be statesmanlike, not Janet Jackson-like.

Turning a national party's national convention into an MTV sideshow will turn off serious voters.

And, it's a "negative" that cannot be erased with a dozen "positives". This means that Marxist Obama can't suddenly act statesmanlike, and expect folks to forget the sideshow act.

I suspect that this will serve to illustrate Marxist Obama's poor judgment and questionable advisers to potential Blue Dog Dem voters than could a hundred internet articles.

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64 posted on 08/27/2008 9:46:13 PM PDT by Seaplaner (Never give in. Never give in. Never...except to convictions of honour and good sense. W. Churchill)
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To: maccaca

The One has succeeded in pimping his acceptance speech...


65 posted on 08/27/2008 9:48:47 PM PDT by hatfieldmccoy (Satan has a new name and it is Islam)
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To: Seaplaner

“Turning a national party’s national convention into an MTV sideshow will turn off serious voters.”

For the past two or three conventions, the stages and podiums have gotten much bigger and more colorful. But I feel sure the Greek temple thing is taking things too far by a good margin.


66 posted on 08/27/2008 9:49:45 PM PDT by Will88 (.)
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To: maccaca

This jerk thinks he’s bigger than rap stars.....

The rapper he evokes is Jay-Z who got up at this years Glastonbury Festival and introduced himself by saying — “I’m Jay-Z and I’m pretty f****** awesome”

This is who Obama is emulating


67 posted on 08/27/2008 9:50:05 PM PDT by dennisw (That Muhammad was a charlatan. Islam is a hoax, an imperialistic ideology, disguised as religion.)
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To: synbad600
"Boston, we have a problem."

Best riposte from Rush: "I don't eat doughnuts. I eat Boston cream puffs and I spit them out."

68 posted on 08/27/2008 9:50:13 PM PDT by synbad600
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To: maccaca

Is the gay caucus ready for the tailgating event before and after the coronation?


69 posted on 08/27/2008 9:54:32 PM PDT by politicalwit (AKA... A Tradition Continues...Now a Hoosier Freeper)
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To: maccaca
Dems fear Invesco effect(Obama temple)

A certain 20th-century German preferred the big venues, too...

70 posted on 08/27/2008 9:58:34 PM PDT by snarks_when_bored
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To: ModelBreaker
“This is going to be the 2008 version of “The Wellstone Memorial”.”

I wouldn’t count on it. He’s a terrific speaker. It’s an entirely scripted, teleprompted, non-spontaneous event. It’s where he does best. I suspect he will give a great speech.
I disagree. What made the Wellstone Memorial such a huge disaster is the absolute inappropriateness of the event under the circumstances. It wasn't the speakers so much as it was the audience's reaction, chanting like a Nazi youth rally "we will win, we will win!"

Likewise, there will be no controlling the 75,000+ crowd, who could easily turn into an out of control chanting mob. There is always a risk in large events like this of crime, and it would look very bad if the next day's headlines include fatalities at the event.

But above all, it is the inappropriateness of the set, with Obama finally, officially, undeniably jumping the shark. This is Obama's "Dukakis tank" moment.
It is a political phenomenon when a politician plays into a developing narrative that is crystalized in that moment.

Believe me, Obama standing in front of those Greek columns before a screaming statium of Obamanics will do it. McCain laid the ground work masterfully, and Obama has stepped into the trap. It is too late now for him to turn back. Does he even know what he's heading for? Will the Obama campaign modify the stage, tear down the columns and have Obama stand on a plain stage, or will he jump into a caricature head first?

It seems to me that his course is set.
 
71 posted on 08/27/2008 10:01:03 PM PDT by counterpunch (John McCain - For the LOVE of Country)
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To: maccaca
"We’re trying to do something new.”

Something new? I thought they were trying to mimic JFK's acceptance speech at some outdoor forum.

72 posted on 08/27/2008 10:06:18 PM PDT by hsalaw
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To: counterpunch
But above all, it is the inappropriateness of the set, with Obama finally, officially, undeniably jumping the shark. This is Obama's "Dukakis tank" moment.

It should be. I want it to be. I'm just not sure it will be.

McCain is doing about all he can, and Obambi seems to be trying to help him, but there could be enough people out there that hate George W. Bush so much that they are willing to elect an incompetent, inexperienced, socialist just so they can have their "change".

73 posted on 08/27/2008 10:08:09 PM PDT by comebacknewt
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To: maccaca

Fatherless boys grow up to seek adoration. Bill Clinton tonight surely looked like he was deeply enjoying that limelight, yes, that he craved and needed it.

But when Obama walked onto the stage tonight it made the former Prez and fellow fatherless man Clinton look like a shy boy.

Obama walked out there like he OWNED the crowd. He isn’t treated like a rock star; he believes he IS a rock star.

I found it a little sad. I am not sure, when the adulation is this undeserved (as opposed to George Washington, say, who had led his troops bravely into deadly battle and won), if it’s good for leadership of a country.


74 posted on 08/27/2008 10:14:43 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: comebacknewt

Not a chance.
Believe me, it is always these moments where the politician is swinging for the bleachers when he is actually just jumping the shark.

Dukakis in the tank was supposed to be his hero shot that proved how tough he was. But he looked so out of place and ridiculous that it only solidified the view that he was weak on national defense.

There was already a building narrative that John Kerry’s whole campaign revolved around serving in Vietnam. And when he showed up “reporting for duty”, that crystallize it.

Now the building narrative is that Obama is an empty celebrity, riding a wave of hollow adulation and self-aggrandizement. And when he gives his speech, he is going to emerge from Greek pantheon columns before a sell-out arena crowd? His campaign is utterly insane. This will solidify McCain’s attack. He will not be taken seriously again. He will become the “American Idol” candidate.


75 posted on 08/27/2008 10:25:10 PM PDT by counterpunch (John McCain - For the LOVE of Country)
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To: Defiant

Psshaw...The Obamao needs no edits...


76 posted on 08/27/2008 10:25:45 PM PDT by padre35 (Conservative in Exile/ Romans 10.10/Eze 11.2/Biden/Obama bye bye RTKBA)
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To: maccaca

Trying to do something new?

No, you are imposing your will on the people. What’s new about that?


77 posted on 08/27/2008 10:27:07 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote.)
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To: synbad600

LOL


78 posted on 08/27/2008 10:27:59 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote.)
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To: Yaelle

It’s going to be really sad for Obama after he loses and he no longer has the huge crowds cheering him on. He’ll be shunned and scorned for being a loser, just like all of the other big losers of his party: McGovern, Mondale, Kerry.

His rockstar ride is about to come to an end, and I think it is going to be very tough on the Obamas psychologically.


79 posted on 08/27/2008 10:28:50 PM PDT by counterpunch (John McCain - For the LOVE of Country)
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To: Domandred

“What band is playing pre-Obama? “

Springsteen and Bon Jovi.
As Conan O’Brien said a couple of nights ago..”and they say he isn’t black enough!”


80 posted on 08/27/2008 10:35:54 PM PDT by Scotswife
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To: counterpunch
It’s going to be really sad for Obama after he loses and he no longer has the huge crowds cheering him on. He’ll be shunned and scorned for being a loser, just like all of the other big losers of his party: McGovern, Mondale, Kerry.

From your keyboard to God's ears.

81 posted on 08/27/2008 10:36:26 PM PDT by comebacknewt
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To: Will88

“Whoever came up with the Greek temple idea, I hope is in charge of all Obama campaign events from now until November.

Sounds like Brandenburg Gate II to me, even though Obama wasn’t in the end able to speak at the BG. But somebody in that campaign sure has an eye for pretentiousness.”

I have no idea, but it reeks of homosexual stagecraft doesn’t it?

“let’s try this Barakbaby, you will look absolutely fabulous!”


82 posted on 08/27/2008 10:39:42 PM PDT by Scotswife
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To: Kevmo
Optics...It's so, like, random.
83 posted on 08/27/2008 10:40:23 PM PDT by Chaguito
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To: maccaca

If Phil Bredesen is saying this, it could spell trouble. He is the Democrat Governor from Tennessee that has a huge approval rating that crosses party lines. His Governorship of Tennessee is good.


84 posted on 08/27/2008 10:45:50 PM PDT by eyedigress
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To: MuttTheHoople

A channeled past obamamessiah moment..


85 posted on 08/27/2008 11:01:05 PM PDT by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: padre35
Where is Leni Refeinstahl?

She is reincarnated as Michael Moore. His cinematic genius will inspire Obama's legions when it comes time to invade that perfidious neocon nation, Poland.

86 posted on 08/27/2008 11:02:28 PM PDT by BlazingArizona
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To: maccaca
Bring on Leni Riefenstahl! Bring on the searchlights, the pageantry, the huge crowds and the appearance of The One! The Triumph Of The Will - Obama's will triumphs over everything and just as Obama is America, America is Obama! Heil Obama! Heil Obama! Heil Obama!

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

87 posted on 08/27/2008 11:06:59 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: maccaca

Pray for a deluge!


88 posted on 08/28/2008 12:28:19 AM PDT by Wil H
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To: maccaca

“I have heard some of the concerns and criticism that it’s such a big venue,” said a senior Obama campaign aide. “It’s no surprise that people could be a little nervous. We’re trying to do something new.”

Correction:

“We’re trying to do something not seen since the 1930s.”


89 posted on 08/28/2008 12:43:44 AM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: Prole
Actually, he almost looks like a Goa'uld.

Oh, my kingdom for for a zat!

90 posted on 08/28/2008 12:52:08 AM PDT by hoagy62 (No surrender, no retreat, no quarter, no compromise...no kidding!)
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To: goldstategop

Obama is America, America is Obama!

A nice twist you have there on the closing speech by Rudolf Hess at the 1934 NSDAP (Nazi Party) Rally. I wonder how many caught it? Terrific! Say, the dems could use that acronym, huh? NSDAP-—>National Socialist Democratic American Party. Scary stuff Obama’s love of the grandiose.


91 posted on 08/28/2008 1:02:33 AM PDT by CanaGuy (Go Harper!)
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To: Texas4ever

“Anyone know weather predictions?

Lets start a rain dance..”

Careful what you wish for. A big hurricane is heading towards Florida as of Monday, actually more towards New Orleans. The Dems are aleady referring to it as Katrina 2. Could be a bad weather situation for us Pubs. Keep your fingers crossed it doesn’t head for New Orleans or that it is a bad hurricane. This whole weather thing could turn on us.


92 posted on 08/28/2008 1:09:16 AM PDT by flaglady47 (South Ossetia = Kosovo - thanks Bill Clinton)
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To: hoagy62
Actually, the zat has been replaced by the ZOT. The ZOT has proven to be more effective than the zot, at least from what I've seen on this forum.

I would love to own a death glider though ... :)

93 posted on 08/28/2008 1:52:38 AM PDT by Neil E. Wright ( An OATH is forever)
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To: FlingWingFlyer
It is definitely The Temple of Doom...

OBAMA BIN BIDEN AND THE TEMPLE OF DOOM...

You can't make this stuff up...

94 posted on 08/28/2008 2:43:40 AM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: maccaca
What the anointed one is implicitly saying is that he is different...far above all previous Dem nominees who merely made their acceptance speeches in buildings with limited capacity. Not good enough for His Pomposity! He must have a much bigger venue to reflect the gloriousness of himself. Just exactly how does Obama look at himself? This acceptance speech in a sports stadium makes him look very bad.
95 posted on 08/28/2008 3:01:45 AM PDT by driftless2
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To: Question Liberal Authority
"McCain attack"

The ad was designed to infer that Obama's so-called fame was no more important than the same notoriety as the bimbos. Nothing to do with whether Obama met them or not.

96 posted on 08/28/2008 3:04:57 AM PDT by driftless2
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To: counterpunch
It won't be just the chanting, couple that with this:

“Our goal is to see a crowd of 75,000 people at Obama’s nomination speech holding their hands above their heads, fingers laced together in support of a new direction for this country, a renewed hope, and acceptance of responsibility for our future,” says Rick Husong, owner of The Loyalty Inc. and you will have middle America more than fearful of Obama.

Sure Bush had his W symbol, but he kept his humbleness in front of the crowds. The W was non-threatening.

97 posted on 08/28/2008 3:25:40 AM PDT by EBH ( ... the riotousness of the crowd is always very close to madness. --Alculin c.735-804)
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To: EBH

Anybody got any good comparitive statistics on previous biggist political gathering or something like that?


98 posted on 08/28/2008 3:39:07 AM PDT by bossmechanic (If all else fails, hit it with a hammer)
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To: Libertarian4Bush

Whew! I am not that quick...took it for what it was.

;) Thanks


99 posted on 08/28/2008 7:17:04 AM PDT by Texas4ever (Anything off the dollar menu :))
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To: tet68

I heard yesterday, this type of venue gets Jewish people upset. They are not liking this big rally, reminds them of the past.....


100 posted on 08/28/2008 7:22:00 AM PDT by Texas4ever (Anything off the dollar menu :))
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