Skip to comments.If not Ivins ...(Bruce Ivins had nothing to do with preparing or sending the anthrax letters)
Posted on 08/29/2008 7:25:37 AM PDT by Prunetacos
When Norm Covert, a conservative former Fort Detrick public affairs officer, and attorney Barry Kissin, liberal activist opposing Detrick's biolab expansion, agree that Bruce Ivins was not the anthrax killer, either the world's spinning off its axis, or the truth is staring us so hard in the face we'd have to be blind to miss it. Covert's piece this week in thetentacle.com establishes what many in our community, including scientists and support staff at USAMRIID, past and present, know: Bruce Ivins had nothing to do with preparing or sending the anthrax letters. --
(Excerpt) Read more at fredericknewspost.com ...
BTW - are you Edward G. Lake and what does the “G” stand for?
Maybe the widow of Bruce Ivins will give us a sample of his handwriting.Or do you think it's still too early?
The handwriting samples of the o's, zeroes and ones are from the anthrax letters.
When writing small o's on the media letter, the writer wrote like a small child, drawing a circle and tracing over part of the circle to make sure it was complete. This is not happenstance, since he did it MANY TIMES. It's an indicator of lack of hand-eye coordination, as one would see in a child of about 6.
Yet, in the date on the letter, the writer writes confidently, even leaving the second zero open at the top. The writer shows no concern for completing the circle.
Bruce Ivins' wife ran a day care center, and there were children around all the time. Is that just a coincidence? Maybe. Does it mean anything? Who knows? The date is too small a sample to be incriminating in any way. But it would still be interesting to see how Bruce Ivins wrote zeros, small o's and ones.
As I said earlier, it wouldn't prove anything. The person who wrote the date could have been trying to imitate the writing on the envelopes.
We're just talking about numbers here. There has to be hundreds of examples of his handwritten numbers at Ft. Detrick.
Or are you saying that no one should question what a dead man might have done? Do you want everyone - including the FBI - to wait until he's no longer dead?
Freeper Research on Anthrax Perps - Updated 9/17/01
“Freeper Research on Anthrax Perps - Updated 9/17/01”
Interesting date - as Shermy once pointed out.
It’s the day BEFORE the first anthrax letter was postmarked!
You know what Ed? You have absolutely NO SENSE OF HUMOR.
That just tells me that no one is reading the thread. The date in the title is a typo.
‘We’re just talking about numbers here. There has to be hundreds of examples of his handwritten numbers at Ft. Detrick.
Or are you saying that no one should question what a dead man might have done? Do you want everyone - including the FBI - to wait until he’s no longer dead?’
If the FBI were truly interested in finding and apprehending the Anthrax Killer, theyd be investigating Philip Zack, a Jewish American that once worked at Fort Detrick Maryland and was caught red handed diverting anthrax spores several years prior to 9-11 and later writing an anonymous letter attempting to implicate or frame an Egyptian American scientist by the name of Dr. Ayaad Assaad. Instead the FBI focused its investigation on one Steven J. Hatfill and employed the media to conduct an orchestrated smear campaign on Hatfills character in order to convict him in the court of public opinion. When their smear campaign fell apart for lack of evidence, the FBI then dropped its investigation and the media has subsequently remained silent, with nary a word about anyone else possibly being connected to the case, despite the overwhelming evidence implicating Philip Zack.
The FBI Issues Another Anthrax Update
The FBI says that countless scientific tests at numerous laboratories appear to undermine the widely-held belief that the attack was carried out by a government scientist, or someone with access to a U.S. bio-defense lab
That is good news for ‘Doctor Zack’, a Zionist, who was a key suspect and worked at USAMRIID, a military lab at Fort Detrick, Maryland.
A Muslim Biologist Is Implicated By a Jewish Colleague
The FBI had received an unsigned letter, sent before the attacks, accusing Dr. Assaad of being responsible for mailing the anthrax tainted letters .On October 2, 2001, the FBI interviewed a Dr. Ayaad Assaad, an Egyptian-American citizen.
Ah! So, that's your game. You're one of those people who thinks Dr. Zack is Jewish, and therefore he must have done it as part of the Great Jewish Conspiracy.
In reality, of course, Dr. Zack is a CATHOLIC. He was a member of the St. Nicholas Catholic Church in Zanesville, Ohio, when he got married in July of 1974.
Plus, he was living and working in Colorado at the time of the mailings. And the attack anthrax was made from a batch of spores that didn't exist when Zack worked at USAMRIID. There is NOTHING that ties the anthrax mailings to Dr. Zack.
The idea that Dr. Zack is the anthrax mailer is just one of the more STUPID ideas around. It has NO basis in reality.
"If the FBI were truly interested in finding and apprehending the Anthrax Killer, theyd be investigating Philip Zack, a Jewish American that once worked at Fort Detrick Maryland and was caught red handed diverting anthrax spores several years prior to 9-11 and later writing an anonymous letter attempting to implicate or frame an Egyptian American scientist by the name of Dr. Ayaad Assaad."
Fort Detrick's anthrax mystery
Who tried to frame Dr. Ayaad Assaad, a former biowarfare researcher at the Army lab? Was it the same person responsible for last fall's anthrax mail terrorism? By Laura Rozen
So, you're going to rely on crap printed in the media and just ignore the facts?
The anthrax concentration used the create the powders mailed in 2001 did not exist when Dr. Zack worked at USAMRIID.
Dr. Zack and Dr. Rippy left USAMRIID in 1991. The spores in the flask controlled by Bruce Ivins weren't created until 1997. So, Dr. Zack would never have had access to them.
But, you are making it VERY clear that you don't care about facts. You're just going to believe your mindless beliefs regardless of what the facts say.
Clearly, it is a waste of time to discuss anything about the anthrax attacks with you.
“So, you’re going to rely on crap printed in the media and just ignore the facts?”
“As soon as it came out” about the anthrax letters, “the first thing that came to my mind was Fort Detrick,” said the scientist, who requested anonymity and is now employed in academia. “I don’t know how many labs are utilizing anthrax from Detrick. Detrick represents a repository of many organisms, and they would send it out to various other labs. A lot of people who were working on anthrax in this country got their anthrax from Fort Detrick.”
The scientist also claimed that he understood DNA analysis being performed by a private lab in Rockville, Md., had already determined that the source of the anthrax in the letter sent to Vermont Sen. Patrick Leahy was from Detrick. However, the private lab has told journalists that it will be another two weeks to a month before they publicly reveal their results.
According to interviews with Assaad and this scientist, along with additional Army investigative transcripts obtained by Salon, the Army’s biowarfare research lab in the early 1990s was an organizational disaster area. A big problem at the lab, which apparently contributed to specimens going missing, was that after the Gulf War, USAMRIID decided to phase out work some scientists had been doing on projects that the Army lab no longer considered crucial to their core mission of researching vaccines against bioweapons. Many scientists who had been engaged in other projects, such as Lt. Col. Phil Zack, who had been researching the simian immunodeficiency virus (SIV), were eager to continue working on projects USAMRIID said they should stop. What followed, the documents reveal, were scientists sneaking into the Army biowarfare lab to work on pet projects after-hours and on weekends, former workers like Zack, who left in 1991, still being let in to do lab work, pressure applied to technicians to help out, documents going missing, and deliberate mislabeling of specimens among other efforts to hide unsanctioned lab work.”
Dr. Ayaad Assaad
The Rhyme of the Ancient Camellier
“In particular, Assaad, who is Egyptian-American, was the target of the group of USAMRIID scientists and lab technicians who called themselves the Camel Club. Among his antagonists were colleagues in Fort Detrick lab’s experimental pathology division, Zack and Rippy.
Using a stuffed camel as a kind of mascot, the Camel Club composed a poem, “The Rhyme of the Ancient Camellier,” with the apparent purpose of humiliating Assaad. It begins:
“Ayaad Assaad was the start,
with a reputation for not having heart
A ‘skimmer’ without equal
We hope there’s no sequel
In his honor we created this beast
It represents life lower than yeast
Whoever is voted this sucker,
you can’t duck her, You must accept blame,
And bear all the shame Unlike Assaad,
that first motherfucker”
The poem continues for five typewritten rhyming pages, ending with:
Well it’s time for the camel to pass.
So let’s all reach and raise up a glass.
Let’s give’m the credit,
the one who will get it,
the poor bastard we’re gonna harass.
Assaad theorizes that the Camel Club and the racial discrimination he experienced were at least partly an outgrowth of a dispute he had with Zack and Rippy over the authorship of a scientific paper for which he says he had done the research. Rippy and Zack, Assaad says, had done only minor work, but wanted to put their names on the research paper, and he says he felt they didn’t deserve it. Assaad says the dispute escalated, with Rippy and Zack threatening to be disruptive and humiliate him at a scientific conference where he delivered his paper’s findings. Then, he says, their harassment took an ethnic cast, because of his Arabic heritage.”
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