Skip to comments.Mandatory evacuations to begin Sunday morning in New Orleans
Posted on 08/30/2008 6:26:11 PM PDT by autumnraine
NEW ORLEANS, Louisiana (CNN) -- New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin ordered a mandatory evacuation of the city beginning 8 a.m. Sunday morning but urged residents to consider escaping "the mother of all storms" before then.
New Orleans residents leave Friday via Interstate 10 westbound ahead of Hurricane Gustav.
1 of 3 more photos » "You need to be scared," Nagin said. "You need to be concerned and you need to get your butts moving out of New Orleans right now. This is the storm of the century."
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I think that that's what declaring a state of emergency can do and that's done by the governor.
This thing looks to be making landfall as a category 4. That's why.
So sorry to hear about that.
I don’t doubt that you are right, though.
For Katrina, they had intact levees and pumps. I understand that the repairs that would be needed to make the city safe again would take far too long and weren’t done anyway.
This time, they’re just sitting ducks.
Prayers for you and your family.
Amen. Thank you for not making this political. My prayers to all of our fellow Americans in the path of this hurricane.
P.S. Is it really the "storm of the century"? I think this is the problem, people are so used to the weather-media-hype that we tend to ignore it at times.
To some people it's all about team points.
Thankfully, I am insured, but I still hate the thought of my home being turned into a wasteland
Wow. So sorry that you're going thru this, and serving us on top of it. I am glad you're insured, and pray that you stay safe.
Thank you for your service.
You hang in there,,,Prayers Up,,,
The mods already locked :
Food Fight I guess,,,
Statement as of 11:00 PM EDT on August 30, 2008
the eye of Gustav crossed western Cuba during the past several
hours and is now over the southeastern Gulf of Mexico. The
hurricane weakened during passage over land...with the eye becoming
cloud filled and the eyewall convection become less impressive in
both satellite and radar data. It is estimated that the initial
intensity has decreased to 120 kt. An Air Force Reserve hurricane
hunter aircraft will arrive in the storm about 06z to determine the
The motion has been wobbling between 315 and 320 degrees at 13
kt...with 320/13 used in this package. There is no change in the
synoptic reasoning...with Gustav being steered northwestward by a
mid-level ridge over the southeastern United States...and then by
an amplifying mid-level ridge over the eastern United States. The
track guidance is tightly clustered through 72 hr...calling for
Gustav to track across the Gulf of Mexico and make landfall in
southeastern or south central Louisiana. The new forecast track
follows this scenario is lies just to the east of the previous
track. After landfall...the dynamical models disagree on how much
mid-level ridging will develop north and west of Gustav...with a
considerable spread in the guidance. The track forecast at that
time calls for a slow westward motion. It should be noted that the
12z UKMET forecasts Gustav to turn southwestward as it reaches the
Louisiana coast...which appears unlikely at this time.
The intensity forecast remains problematic. Analyses from CIMSS at
the University of Wisconsin suggest that the intensification
occurred despite about 20 kt of southerly vertical shear caused by
an upper-level trough over the Gulf of Mexico. The presence of
this shear is supported by radar data from the Key West WSR-88D...
which currently shows a weak southern eyewall and little
precipitation south of the eyewall. The SHIPS model suggests the
shear should diminish some during the next 18 hr...then increase
again as Gustav moves between the trough and an upper-level
anticyclone to the southeast. On the ocean side...Gustav is
forecast to pass over The Loop current during the next 24 hours...
then possibly pass over a couple of cold eddies north of 26n. All
guidance forecast re-intensification during the next 24 hr...so the
intensity forecast will call for a peak intensity of 135 kt in 24
hr...followed by slight weakening before landfall due to shear and
lower heat content...then faster weakening over land. Due to the
various factors...this is a low confidence intensity forecast.
Hurricane warnings will likely be required for portions for the
northern Gulf Coast on the next advisory.
Forecast positions and Max winds
initial 31/0300z 23.1n 83.8w 120 kt
12hr VT 31/1200z 24.6n 85.3w 130 kt
24hr VT 01/0000z 26.5n 87.4w 135 kt
36hr VT 01/1200z 28.3n 89.5w 130 kt
48hr VT 02/0000z 29.8n 91.2w 120 kt...inland
72hr VT 03/0000z 31.5n 93.0w 50 kt...inland
96hr VT 04/0000z 32.5n 94.5w 30 kt...inland
120hr VT 05/0000z 32.5n 96.0w 25 kt...inland
Waaay too early to forecast the eye-strike now,,,
I think the track will shift back to the west a little,,,
TANKS a Bunch for Your Service,my FRiend...
He was cool!!
Probably depends on how much they stand to profit from FEMA. Hey, haven't we seen this movie?
Deja voodoo. That’s lookin bad. Evac, prepare, pray.
Now we can see the difference between Jindal and Blanco in handling this potential catastrophe. Nothing to kid about.
Let's hope this is handled better..Many lives at stake here.
Deja voodoo. Thats lookin bad. Evac, prepare, pray.
Hey,,,that’s bout all that can be done,,,
Hopefully Gus will come through quick,,,
I’ve seen folks comin’ in all day,campers/trucks/etc.
piled high with what they could haul,,,
Some really nice boats too,,,
I’ve got all my preps done,,,
Just wait now...
For me, living in the Rockies, it's hard to imagine how tough that's got to be on so many folks at one time. Awful. We'll be praying for all y'all. Stay safe.
May God have mercy and protect all of those in harm's way. This looks to be another bad one.
Stay safe, my FRiend.
And thank you for your service.
For me, living in the Rockies, it’s hard to imagine how tough that’s got to be on so many folks at one time. Awful. We’ll be praying for all y’all. Stay safe.
TANKS a bunch,Glock,,,
Many/most of these folks were pulled off of the offshore
rigs a few days ago,,,refinery workers too,,,
And all the people that make the world go round,,,
The US lost 30% + of our oil and gas during this storm,,,
Just like 05’ they will go back to nothing,rebuild and
do it all again,,,
Tuff Americans Them...
All OK here...;0)
There is a lot less people to evacuate this time. Orleans Parish alone has probably lost some 200,000 in population since Katrina. St. Bernard’s to the east has lost over 40,000 (from a starting point of 65,000 pre-Katrina). Jefferson Parish to west and south lost some 25,000. Plaquemines Parish, which is the little hamlets heading south from Orleans to the Mississippi’s mouth, lost about a quarter of it’s 28,000 population. And next to Texas, Rita reduced Cameron Parish by over 2,000 (from a starting point of less than 10,000).
If the current tracks hold, the parishes between Cameron and the Mississippi Parishes, such as Terrebonne and Lafourche, may be in line for the worst damage. And their populations haven’t shrunk — those two parishes alone have some 200,000 people.
To be honest, it’s silly for so many people to be living permanently south of I-10 on low-lying land that’s a swamp built out of Mississippi silt. If this storm is as a bad as Katrina or Rita, then the Feds need to do what they did along the upper Mississippi and take away the incentives to rebuild and aim them at people relocating.
To be honest, its silly for so many people to be living permanently south of I-10 on low-lying land thats a swamp built out of Mississippi silt. If this storm is as a bad as Katrina or Rita, then the Feds need to do what they did along the upper Mississippi and take away the incentives to rebuild and aim them at people relocating.
What state do you live in,if I mite ask ?
You wrote on Tuesday, August 19, 2008 6:13:35 PM :
“Agreed. Russia and America have represented two possible futures for humanity for centuries. Despotism and obedience versus freedom and initiative.”
And today :
“To be honest, its silly for so many people to be living permanently south of I-10 on low-lying land thats a swamp built out of Mississippi silt. If this storm is as a bad as Katrina or Rita, then the Feds need to do what they did along the upper Mississippi and take away the incentives to rebuild and aim them at people relocating.”
Which Is It ?,,,mmmmmmmmm?...;0)
He sounds like a great man.
"I think God is reminding us that on the eve of Katrina, God can bring nature back," said Russell Honore, the retired Army General who headed up rescue efforts three years ago.
You are right. This storm is so large, going west is just getting hit in a different spot.
What does Looter Guy have to say?
Not giving people incentives to rebuilt is not despotism and obedience. It’s not forcing mandatory relocation; it’s just not bailing them out every time they get in trouble.
I don’t want my tax money going to helping people rebuild every time they get hit by a hurricane.
Living down there is like living in a shooting gallery. If they want to take the chance, that’s their decision. Don’t expect me to pay for it.
Too bad it took Katerina to teach Nagin a bit about evacuations.
At least Brownie seems to have learned something!!
Largely because the local Red Cross Chapter is one of the best in the country at disaster operations with many experienced disaster people. The chapter managed the Red Cross operations for the State of Tennessee during Katrina
This storm is hitting exactly the same time as Katrina, isn’t it? Wasn’t it over the last couple days of August beginning of Sept, 2005 that it hit New Orleans?
Since the first of the month falls on a holiday this year, that means all the welfare checks should've been received last Friday whereas in 2005 Katrina hit a couple of days before the checks were in.
Yes. I saw on the news last night that New Orleans had its three year memorial ceremony yesterday for the victims of Katrina, so that marked the date. I thought it was so sad to watch them doing this respectful ceremony while knowing another catastrophe could well be bearing down upon them. The participants seemed very brave and stoic.
May the Lord have mercy on all of those in Gustav's path.
I’m so sorry to read this. Prayers for New Orleans and everyone affected by this natural disaster. I can’t even imagine. I love living in the high desert out west and hope to all my life, but have little control over where we move to in the future. I’ve met several people in my life from Louisiana and they were some of the best humored and fun people to be around. This is so sad to be happening again. God bless.
If NO escapes disaster this time, it will be because of 1. Luck that Gustav turned out NOT to be “the Mother of All Storms” that Katrina was , and 2. That the levees and pumps had enough done to them that they could conceivably withstand another Category 3 Hurricane. , and 3. The the new Governor, Bobby Jindal had the foresight to make preparedness a priority going forward after his election, and 4. The Federal Government has ALREADY acted and put in place all the things they were thwarted from putting in place 3 years ago. It WON’T be because of the leadership of Ray Nagin. Though everyone will probably defer to him and let all the credit flow back to him. I was in NOLA surveying things and working on my nephew’s house in April 2006, and there was NO sense of any police presence or authority of any kind. There has been little coverage of whatever positive things that have been happening, since the operating principle is still “If it bleeds it leads”
Keep your fingers crossed that there will be no Katrina-like storm, if only so that we aren’t treated to Geraldo going down there and showboating his ass off, like he did last time/
And What State Do YOU Live In ?
Evacuations and Production Shut-in Affecting Most GOM Output
MMS Saturday, August 30, 2008
Offshore oil and gas operators in the Gulf of Mexico are evacuating platforms and rigs in the path of Hurricane Gustav. The Minerals Management Service has activated its Continuity of Operations Plan team to monitor the operators activities. This team will be activated until operations return to normal and the storm is no longer a threat to the Gulf of Mexico oil and gas activities.
Based on data from offshore operator reports submitted as of 11:30 a.m. CST today, personnel have been evacuated from a total of 223 production platforms, equivalent to 31.1 % of the 717 manned platforms in the Gulf of Mexico. Production platforms are the structures located offshore from which oil and natural gas are produced. These structures remain in the same location throughout a projects duration unlike drilling rigs which typically move from location to location.
Personnel from 45 rigs have also been evacuated; this is equivalent to 37.2 % of the 121 rigs currently operating in the Gulf. Rigs can include several types of self-contained offshore drilling facilities including jackups, submersibles and semisubmersibles.
From the operators reports, it is estimated that approximately 76.77 % of the oil production in the Gulf has been shut-in. Estimated current oil production from the Gulf of Mexico is 1.3 million barrels of oil per day. It is also estimated that approximately 37.16 % of the natural gas production in the Gulf has been shut-in. As of June 2008, estimated current natural gas production from the Gulf of Mexico was 7.0 billion cubic feet of gas per day. Since that time, gas production from the Independence Hub facility has increased and current gas production from the Gulf is estimated at 7.4 billion cubic feet of gas per day.
As part of the evacuation process, personnel activate the shut-in procedure, which can also be accomplished from a remote location. This involves closing the safety valves located below the surface of the ocean to prevent the release of oil or gas. During Hurricanes Katrina and Rita, the shut-in valves functioned 100 percent of the time, efficiently closing in production from wells and resulting in no major spills from the Outer Continental Shelf. Shutting-in oil and gas production is a standard procedure conducted by industry for safety and environmental reasons.
The production percentages are calculated using information submitted by offshore operators in daily reports. Shut-in production information included in these reports is based on what the operator expected to produce that day. The shut-in production figures therefore are estimates, which the MMS compares to historical production reports to ensure the estimates follow a logical pattern.
After the hurricane has passed, facilities will be inspected. Once all standard checks have been completed, production from undamaged facilities will be brought back on line immediately. Facilities sustaining damage may take longer to bring back on line. The MMS will continue to update the evacuation and shut-in statistics at 1:00 p.m. CST each day until these statistics are no longer significant.
Enjoy The Cost Of HEAT This Winter,,,
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Freighters on the Mississippi River in New OrleansThe Port of New Orleans is a port located in New Orleans, Louisiana. It is the 5th largest port in the United States based on volume of cargo handled, second-largest in the state after the Port of South Louisiana, and 12th largest in the U.S. based on value of cargo. It also has the longest wharf in the world, which is 2.1 miles (3.4 km) long and can accommodate 15 vessels at one time.
The Port of New Orleans handles about 84 million short tons of cargo a year. The Port of South Louisiana, based in the New Orleans suburb of LaPlace, handles 199 million short tons. The two combined form the largest port system in the world by bulk tonnage, and the world’s fourth largest by annual volume handled. For its part, the Port of New Orleans refers to itself as being “at the center of the worlds busiest port complex.”
“The Port of New Orleans is a major transshipment point for steel, rubber, and coffee. In fact, it is the largest port in the U.S. for rubber imports. Over 6000 vessels and 700,000 passengers pass through the Port of New Orleans annually, with most of the passengers sailing to destinations in the Caribbean Sea, Mexico, and up the Mississippi River in either cruise ships or steamboats.
About 5,000 ships from nearly 60 nations dock at the Port of New Orleans annually. The chief exports are grain and other foods from the Midwestern United States and petroleum products. The leading imports include rubber, chemicals, cocoa beans, coffee, and petroleum. The port handles more trade with Latin America than does any other U.S. gateway, including Miami.
New Orleans is also a busy port for barges and passenger cruises. The barges, approximately 50,000 annually; use the nation’s two main inland waterways, the Mississippi River and the Gulf Intracoastal Waterway, which meet at New Orleans. The port of New Orleans handles about 50,000 barges yearly. It also handled nearly 800,000 cruise passengers in 2004, making it one of the nation’s premier cruise ports, with several ships from the Royal Caribbean, Carnival, and Norwegian cruise lines based there.
The port was damaged by Hurricane Katrina, but reopened and returned to normal operations for most cargo. The France Road container facility on the Industrial Canal remains closed.”
Now Go Chop Some WOOD!!!
Let it go under.
NY. There’s lots of migrants up here because of the agriculture.
Mother of All Storms according to Nagin.
Man, they just wanted this to be a Cat 5.
Now watch...People are going to be mad that they were "forced" to leave.
Most immigrants up here are Mexican. They work hard.
And I really think that they’ll be disappointed that is WASN’T the mother of all storms.
Many have been in Memphis for days, but not via train and not with the crime, I think. Downtown hotels have been booming.
We should be forbidding any development in NO, and should manage the situation by looking forward and building facilities in a more geologically sound area--realizing that constant change is the nature of a sinking delta.
If we chose to put our heads in the sand, we are dooming people. If it takes cynical observations to encourage a rational policy that saves people, then it’s not out of place, IMHO.
“We should be forbidding any development in NO, and should manage the situation by looking forward and building facilities in a more geologically sound area—realizing that constant change is the nature of a sinking delta.”
If we follow your idea, we need to forbid construction on virtually any shorefront, in parts of California, in tornado alley, and so on.
Thanks. I agree it is silly to evacuate and rebuild a city every three years solely for nostaglic reasons.