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Sarah Palin's Daughter--What Should We Think? (We=Evangelicals)
Crosswalk ^ | 9/6/2008 | Dr. Ray Pritchard

Posted on 09/06/2008 5:28:51 PM PDT by markomalley

A friend asked me why evangelicals think it’s okay that Sarah Palin’s seventeen-year-old daughter got pregnant by her boyfriend. I think the exact wording was, “Why are we so excited about it?” Hmmmm. That’s not exactly the way I would put it.

I don’t know anyone who is “excited” about a teenage girl getting pregnant out of wedlock. This seems to be a point on which there is near-universal agreement. Getting pregnant outside of marriage is always problematic, but when you are a teenager, the difficulties are magnified. This isn’t a liberal or conservative observation—just a statement of reality. 

However, I think the question is meant to go to a different point. Why are evangelicals willing to overlook the pregnancy of Sarah Palin’s daughter? Well, it is a useful question, given that everyone I have talked to (an admittedly unscientific sample) seems to love Sarah Palin. Count me in that number. I thought she did a terrific job in her speech on Wednesday night at the Republican Convention. But what about her daughter getting pregnant outside of wedlock?

Here’s a simple answer. Sarah and Todd Palin are not the first parents to have a child make this sort of mistake. And it’s not just the getting pregnant part. It’s as much the part about being sexually active in the first place. Given that most of us knew nothing about the Palins ten days ago, we aren’t in a position to say anything about how they raised their children. But Bristol Palin is hardly the first child raised in an evangelical family to get pregnant out of wedlock. We might be surprised if we knew how often this happens. That isn’t meant to excuse anything. Sin is sin, wrong is wrong, but is helps to remember that “all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God” and “there but for the grace of God." 

But doesn’t it reflect poorly on the parents when children make bad choices? The answer is yes and no. Certainly it has cast a shadow over the whole nomination of Sarah Palin, and it has given the media another opening to attack her. But her daughter’s pregnancy does not disqualify her for public office. By the same token, I would argue that a similar situation would not automatically disqualify a pastor from serving in a local church. Note the word “automatically.” Sometimes churches have demanded a level of perfection in pastoral child-rearing that James Dobson couldn’t possibly meet. 

It’s not what the children do that matters as much as how the parents respond. 1 Timothy 3:4 tell us that a spiritual leader must “manage his own household well.” How do you measure that? The real test of any manager is how he responds when trouble comes. Anyone can manage an organization when you have plenty of money in the bank, when your market share is growing, and when everyone is happy. Great managers rise to the top when the waters are rough, when money is tight, when the market is down, and when times are tough.

Do they cover up the truth or do they face reality?
Can they demonstrate wisdom in how they respond?
Do they keep their people united?
Do they have a plan and will others follow their plan?
Can they remain positive and calm when others are panicking?

These are the traits of good leadership—and you only see this when unexpected trouble comes. Leaders rise to the top in hard times. And that’s why I think pastors (and other spiritual leaders) ought not to be trashed or suddenly dismissed because of family issues. It’s how they respond that makes the difference.

Regarding Sarah Palin and her pregnant daughter, so far so good. Her daughter did not abort the baby, which many people would have advised her to do. And she and her boyfriend plan to be married and keep the baby. Good for them. I can’t imagine that Todd and Sarah Palin are happy about their daughter’s pregnancy, but as far as anyone can tell, they have responded with grace and courage under an enormous media spotlight. They have done well, their family seems to be rallying to the cause, and they are setting a good example of how to handle a crisis when the whole world is watching.

Evangelicals of all people believe in sin and grace. We admit our sin and we cling to the grace of God. We face the consequences, we seek forgiveness, we love each other, and we go forward together.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: evangelicals; mccainpalin; palin; palinfamily; teenpregnancy
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To: stuartcr
"Look at how Chelsea was treated on FR, and she wasn’t even pregnant."

I take extreme exception to that....I argued on FR just recently that, as an adult campaigning on the trail for her parents, Chelsea should be fair game for questions. I was raked over the coals for it. The people on this forum and conservatives in general have veen very consistent in their message to a fault on this.

51 posted on 09/06/2008 7:20:24 PM PDT by Earthdweller
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To: Earthdweller
been very consistent
52 posted on 09/06/2008 7:21:27 PM PDT by Earthdweller
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To: markomalley

For some reason, everything I felt about her daughter getting pregnant out of wedlock disappeared when I saw what the Libs and MSM were doing to her.

Then my maternal instinct kicked in and I am now fiercely protective of her.

weird, i know.

;)


53 posted on 09/06/2008 7:27:26 PM PDT by KarenMarie
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To: markomalley

Let’s just welcome another wonderful baby into the world, and this one is lucky enough to have Sarah Palin as grandmother!


54 posted on 09/06/2008 7:28:09 PM PDT by hershey
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To: Earthdweller

Go back 10 or 12 yrs.


55 posted on 09/06/2008 7:28:10 PM PDT by stuartcr (Election year.....Who we gonna hate, in '08?)
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To: markomalley

The libs are acting about the preganancy the way they claim fundamentalists to be about premartal sex...harsh and judgemental.

Now tell me what’s worse: getting pregnant at 17 by your fiance, or an elderly, chaste, pious so-called Christian woman who uses her tongue to gossip, sow dissention, turn people against each other, while legalistically nitpicking and criticizing everything and everyone around them as ‘sin’ and ‘impurity’?


56 posted on 09/06/2008 7:28:16 PM PDT by Free Vulcan (No prisoners. No mercy. Fight back or STFU!!!)
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To: Earthdweller

So do you think that if Chelsea Clinton had gotten pregnant as an unmarried teenager, Freepers would be defending her?


57 posted on 09/06/2008 7:29:47 PM PDT by Crystal Cove
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To: markomalley
Libs have no clue about Christians, forgiveness, guns, or conservatives because they choose to remain ignorant of anything even close to godliness!

They are children of the devil and they demonstrate that proclivity every day!!!!

58 posted on 09/06/2008 7:32:00 PM PDT by Tolkien (Grace is the Essence of the Gospel; Gratitude is the Essence of Ethics.)
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To: Crystal Cove

Most likely no one would ever know if Chelsea had gotten pregnant as an unmarried teenager because, most likely, she wouldn’t have been that way for long.


59 posted on 09/06/2008 7:35:51 PM PDT by luckymom (Forget the baby whales, save the baby humans.)
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To: Crystal Cove

They would not condone the behavior but they would not try to destroy her...it’s not in the general makeup to try to destroy someone who loves babies.


60 posted on 09/06/2008 7:37:27 PM PDT by Earthdweller
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To: xzins; P-Marlowe
This is an interesting question. How should a Christian react if his daughter is pregnant out of wedlock?

I figure, when the daughter comes to you and says "Help, I messed up," that's not the time to lecture them on sex. They already know that they're about to suffer the consequences for their actions. Instead, it's the time to help them mitigate the damage as much as possible - get ready for unexpected parenthood. Support and love, not condemnation.

It's interesting - the Old Testament code didn't punish premarital sex particularly strongly. It's not encouraged - it is still wrong - but the consequence is marriage. Contrast that with adultery - that carried the death penalty.

61 posted on 09/06/2008 7:38:10 PM PDT by jude24
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To: markomalley
"Libs just don't understand this concept..."

You're right...I am an Evangelical and I say she is loved by her Mother and Dad and siblings. May they all live happily ever after. God bless them and their soon to be born baby.

62 posted on 09/06/2008 7:39:25 PM PDT by LadyPilgrim ((Lifted up was He to die; It is finished was His cry; Hallelujah what a Savior!!!!!! ))
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To: Campion

Guess I should have read the comments above :-P


63 posted on 09/06/2008 7:39:33 PM PDT by jude24
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To: television is just wrong

> Obama is now running against the VP position? weird.

Not at all.

Everybody knows that if John McCain is elected, barring any gross error on her part during her term as VP, Sarah is the next president.

The Left is LIVID and AGHAST at the prospect of at least twelve more years of Republican Administration.

They MUST destroy her, or they can forget about the White House for at least 12 years, and very likely 16.

McCain appears to be in pretty good shape, and his mom is bright and cogent at 96.


64 posted on 09/06/2008 7:41:14 PM PDT by Westbrook (Having more children does not divide your love, it multiplies it.)
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To: luckymom

Right, like we never heard about anything the Clintons did, or we thought they did.


65 posted on 09/06/2008 7:52:18 PM PDT by stuartcr (Election year.....Who we gonna hate, in '08?)
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To: stuartcr
The real reason it’s acceptable, is because she’s a conservative, and we like her.

That's a really smarmy answer. Like Sarah Palin, a few of us conservatives have had problems in out lives.

We're not cookie-cutter people. We're critical thinkers with morals. I'm not a church-goer, but I know right from wrong. I believe in God and hope to find the right church someday.

Conservatives that are Christian are like a caricature to the left. They don't understand us, and never will.

66 posted on 09/06/2008 7:57:33 PM PDT by mplsconservative
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To: stuartcr
"Go back 10 or 12 yrs."

Are you seriously suggesting that FR as a community went after a minor child?

67 posted on 09/06/2008 7:59:27 PM PDT by Earthdweller
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To: markomalley

What would Evangelicals have said if Chelsey Clinton ended up in this situation?


68 posted on 09/06/2008 8:00:33 PM PDT by Fundamentally Fair (If given a choice between a POW and a POS, I'll take the POW.)
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To: Fundamentally Fair

Don’t know if this is a planted question or not... but why are you asking people here what YOU should think? Isn’t that up to you?
Group-think stinks on either side. I would imagine that Christians have a similar background (as do freepers) and that that similar background can lead to many of us having similar positions.
Informing yourself can modify that position, but “what if it was Chelsea?”, is something you have to look in your head and heart to find how you would feel, not on a message board.


69 posted on 09/06/2008 8:06:07 PM PDT by philsoc
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To: philsoc
...but why are you asking people here what YOU should think?

Nobody is.

70 posted on 09/06/2008 8:08:41 PM PDT by Fundamentally Fair (If given a choice between a POW and a POS, I'll take the POW.)
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To: Earthdweller

As I said, go back to the Clinton admin. Do some research, and make you’re own decision.


71 posted on 09/06/2008 8:12:38 PM PDT by stuartcr (Election year.....Who we gonna hate, in '08?)
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To: mplsconservative

I may have been mistaken...apparently it’s impossible for hypocrisy to exist of FR.


72 posted on 09/06/2008 8:14:33 PM PDT by stuartcr (Election year.....Who we gonna hate, in '08?)
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To: stuartcr
"As I said, go back to the Clinton admin. Do some research, and make you’re own decision."

I don't have to do research..I know they didn't go after a minor child...end of story.

Now if you want to make those kinds of wild accusations I suggest you come up with some proof.

73 posted on 09/06/2008 8:17:26 PM PDT by Earthdweller
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To: Earthdweller

You’ve only been here for 4 yrs. You want proof, get it yourself, I know what I’ve been reading here over the years.


74 posted on 09/06/2008 8:22:02 PM PDT by stuartcr (Election year.....Who we gonna hate, in '08?)
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To: stuartcr

Hypocrisy exists here as it does in any social circle.

So does love and forgiveness of people of any political stripe. Maybe you’re not hanging with the right people here.

Go ahead and have a divergent view on DU on any number of issues. You’d be tombstoned by Skinner in a minute.


75 posted on 09/06/2008 8:22:44 PM PDT by mplsconservative
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To: mplsconservative

How does one hang with a particular person on an anonymous web forum?

Who’s Skinner?


76 posted on 09/06/2008 8:24:36 PM PDT by stuartcr (Election year.....Who we gonna hate, in '08?)
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To: stuartcr
"I know what I’ve been reading here over the years."

Like what? Spit it out....Can't you even remember one thing what was written? You are the one who is suggesting that the big evil FR as a whole couldn't win without degrading a little girl.

77 posted on 09/06/2008 8:28:02 PM PDT by Earthdweller
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To: Earthdweller

that was written..


78 posted on 09/06/2008 8:28:40 PM PDT by Earthdweller
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To: markomalley

I was tempted to just pass by this article.

I’m very happy I took the time to read it. Clarity - education - peace of mind.


79 posted on 09/06/2008 8:30:51 PM PDT by AFPhys ((.Praying for President Bush, our troops, their families, and all my American neighbors..))
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To: Ultra Sonic 007

THANKS.

PLEASE PRAY FOR SARAH PALIN’S SAFETY, GUIDANCE, . . .

PARTICULARLY FOR HER PROTECTION AND THE PROTECTION OF HER FAMILY.

The enemy is not happy with her rise.


80 posted on 09/06/2008 8:35:02 PM PDT by Quix (POL LDRS GLOBALIST QUOTES: #76 http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2031425/posts?page=77#77)
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To: Westbrook

put it that way it makes sense., ok.


81 posted on 09/06/2008 8:39:56 PM PDT by television is just wrong
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To: stuartcr

Puh-lease.


82 posted on 09/06/2008 8:40:09 PM PDT by mplsconservative
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To: Earthdweller

I suggest nothing, I know it.

I never said FR was evil, it is what it is. I have no need for proof, nor to satisfy you. You don’t like what I say, it doesn’t matter to me.


83 posted on 09/06/2008 8:41:06 PM PDT by stuartcr (Election year.....Who we gonna hate, in '08?)
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To: markomalley

As if nobody ever heard of a preacher’s kid.


84 posted on 09/06/2008 8:42:52 PM PDT by fso301
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To: Froggie
The 17 y-o girl had an engagement ring on her finger a month ago. Men that play sports cannot wear rings or any kind of jewelry.

Maybe that couple were in love for a long time?

85 posted on 09/06/2008 8:48:24 PM PDT by BobS
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To: mplsconservative

Sorry, I really am not familiar with either DU or Skinner, although I’ve seen both mentioned here a lot. The only other forums I visit are Muzzleloading forum, and some technical forums.


86 posted on 09/06/2008 8:48:42 PM PDT by stuartcr (Election year.....Who we gonna hate, in '08?)
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To: stuartcr
You have no substantial proof of your sweeping accusations and I don't believe you. It's pretty lame and you are being unfair to the forum as a whole by making such a charge. So if you don't want to clarify yourself then I'll just ignore you. Have a nice day.
87 posted on 09/06/2008 8:50:05 PM PDT by Earthdweller
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To: Earthdweller

Yes, I remember a lot of it, not the exact dates or thread titles, that’s why I said what I did.

As you well know, I suggested nothing of the sort, you just want to believe that. Go back and re-read everything I said.


88 posted on 09/06/2008 8:51:37 PM PDT by stuartcr (Election year.....Who we gonna hate, in '08?)
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To: Earthdweller

I really don’t need proof, unless I wanted to convince you, which I don’t. I remember what I read, it’s good enough for me. Please do ignore me.


89 posted on 09/06/2008 8:53:30 PM PDT by stuartcr (Election year.....Who we gonna hate, in '08?)
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To: stuartcr
Who’s Skinner?

Who's your daddy? George Soros? Moneywise, anyway. Hope he can pay your laundry bill because when the polls come out on Monday you're going to have brown shorts.

90 posted on 09/06/2008 8:53:51 PM PDT by mplsconservative
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To: mplsconservative

???


91 posted on 09/06/2008 9:02:32 PM PDT by stuartcr (Election year.....Who we gonna hate, in '08?)
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To: netmilsmom

From what I understand, they would not be considered ‘married’ in anyone’s eyes, except maybe their own. We do not follow Judaism’s engagement rules. Even under Judaism if something happened they could get out of the marriage without dishonoring either person (if no sex took place). They would not be married in God’s eyes, because they had not stood up before God and everyone else and took their vows. No church would say they were married, because no pastor had performed any ceremony. No secular authority would recognize them as married, there is no valid marriage certificate.

As far as the birth control question goes, it’s a moot point, and I would say over the line to ask - definitely poor taste to start poking into such areas. At this point it’s a non issue.


92 posted on 09/06/2008 9:04:40 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: Earthdweller

Chelsea Clinton at 26-27, actively campaigning for her mom, answering questions on behalf of mom, stumping for her mom, defending her mom,

is not at all the same as a 17 year old daughter who is NOT campaigning, just being INTRODUCED as a daughter, of a candidate who is turned into a media event because of a private embarassing incident in her life.

You are right, no one should make the claim they are the same, or rip on you for this. You were not hypocritical. You accurately understood the difference.


93 posted on 09/06/2008 9:09:58 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: keats5
Right. We’re not matching their caricature of Christians, so they’re all confused.

And the funniest part is that they think we are selling out our values for a VP pick. Idiots.

94 posted on 09/06/2008 9:14:13 PM PDT by Mr. Silverback (*******It's not conservative to accept an inept Commander-in-Chief in a time of war. Back Mac.******)
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To: markomalley

The Libs are confused. They expect “us” to stone Bristol and demand that Sara be cast out of the ticket.


95 posted on 09/06/2008 9:14:21 PM PDT by right way right (Do not mistake religion for God.)
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To: stuartcr
The real reason it’s acceptable, is because she’s a conservative, and we like her.

That sir, is a lie.

None of us gave a hoot about Al Gore's son smoking the wacky weed, either.

96 posted on 09/06/2008 9:15:52 PM PDT by Mr. Silverback (*******It's not conservative to accept an inept Commander-in-Chief in a time of war. Back Mac.******)
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To: markomalley
These same people believe Clinton was impeached for having Sex in the Oval office.

Ask any Lib why Clinton was impeached by Congress and they cannot even name the charges.

97 posted on 09/06/2008 9:17:54 PM PDT by right way right (Do not mistake religion for God.)
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To: Crystal Cove
So do you think that if Chelsea Clinton had gotten pregnant as an unmarried teenager, Freepers would be defending her?

I think that you're comparing apples and oranges, given the parents she has, a guy who chases skirts like a beagle chasing rabbits and a mom who decorated White House Christmas trees with ornaments depicting sexual acts. It's similar to all the people who say we were hypocrites because we were dismayed by Jamie Lynn Spears' preganancy, yet there are many differences between the two situations. See here.

Plus, let's bear in mind that therfe's a difference between condemning the kid and saying the kid was not given the tools she needed by her parents.

98 posted on 09/06/2008 9:26:40 PM PDT by Mr. Silverback (*******It's not conservative to accept an inept Commander-in-Chief in a time of war. Bac Mac.******)
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To: Earthdweller

Nice! Your answer was better (and more concise) than mine.


99 posted on 09/06/2008 9:27:28 PM PDT by Mr. Silverback (*******It's not conservative to accept an inept Commander-in-Chief in a time of war. Bac Mac.******)
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To: FlyVet

They think it could never happen to us believers. And when it does, it is like a huge crime.

Yes, there is repentance and forgiveness.


100 posted on 09/06/2008 9:32:05 PM PDT by hsmomx3 (GO STEELERS!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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