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(Alan) Keyes on Palin: ‘Unequally yoked’ (Barf Alert)
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Posted on 09/09/2008 12:54:43 PM PDT by mnehring

Alan Keyes, America’s Independent Party nominee for President, has written a commentary for WorldNetDaily which takes a concerned tone towards Republican Vice-Presidential nominee Sarah Palin’s soul. In reply to commentators he says claim guidance from the Bible, Keyes cites 2 Corinthians 6:14-16 (chastising believers not to be “unequally yoked with unbelievers”) and argues that these same commentators should take note of the spiritual implications of Palin’s place on John McCain’s ticket:

With these words in mind, their first concern should be for their sister in faith, who may be risking her moral and spiritual integrity by placing herself under the authority of someone who has provably abandoned God’s will on the most fundamental moral issues of our times. Perhaps they have not given much thought to the yoke involved in accepting the office of vice president. At the very least, it implies a pledge of personal loyalty to the president with whom you serve, a pledge that means nothing if it does not extend to situations where you disagree with his decisions. What happens when President McCain joins forces with the pro-abortion Democrats to remove restrictions on research that involves destroying embryonic life? If Vice President Palin speaks out publicly in disagreement with the decision, she will violate her pledge of loyalty to the president. She will also risk introducing divisions into the executive branch that are inconsistent with the clear language of the Constitution. If she keeps silent, she risks giving scandal to fellow Christians in the way St. Paul warned against in his first letter to the Corinthians [1 Corinthians 8: 10-12]

Keyes goes on criticize Palin for her record on separation of powers, which does not match his own views on the correct relationship between the branches of government, discussing her veto of an act of the Alaskan Legislature that effectively gave homosexual state employees marriage benefits:

One of her advisers, Kevin Clarkson, claims that she did so on his advice, on the specious grounds that the law would have made permanent the changes ordered by the Alaska Supreme Court. But in Alaska as elsewhere in our republic, the Judicial Branch has no constitutional authority to carry out the laws. The executive power, which is to say the force of law, is entirely vested in the chief executive. Therefore, no regulations issued by the Alaska Supreme Court have the force of law. Where the chief executive and the legislature agree, as they did in this instance, that the judiciary had superseded its legal and constitutional boundaries, the Court’s preferred regulations were a dead letter. However, Gov. Palin’s veto gave credence to the Court’s usurpation.

Keyes sums up this argument suggesting that Palin might make a good fit for McCain after all. The complete article can be read here.


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To: TChris
I can't put it any more plainly than this: You're wrong.

Yeah, that's what a lot of FReepers told me when I kept saying Keyes was loony-tunes and not deserving of our political support.

51 posted on 09/09/2008 3:10:50 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: mnehrling

Alan Keyes is a windbag, and an idiot to boot.

He ran against Obama for that Senate seat in Illinois, and lost 80%-20%.


52 posted on 09/09/2008 3:11:28 PM PDT by Cincinna (BE AFRAID, VERY AFRAID. CHANGE IS COMING!)
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To: EternalVigilance

So are you voting for Keyes?


53 posted on 09/09/2008 3:22:50 PM PDT by Warhammer
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To: wideawake
Keyes’ case is sad, sad, sad. He has wasted and trivialized his intellectual gifts due to a lack of any sense of proportion.
54 posted on 09/09/2008 3:35:05 PM PDT by Borges
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To: GovernmentShrinker

Neither has that been Palin’s platform. Those are issues she stood for, but those are not platforms she ran on. If you watched some of the archived debates CSPAN has been showing, she ran on economic conservatism, the State taking control of its resources (wrestling them away from environmental groups), and fighting political corruption.

Family values issues are outside the Constitutional scope of a President’s responsibility. The President’s primary role, according to the Constitution, is to be Commander in Chief of the US Armed Forces, secondary roles are to appoint judges, ambassadors and cabinet positions, negotiate treaties, and report to Congress and the nation the state of the nation.

One standpoints on issues you brought up are only tetratrary matters that will be guideposts as to the kind of judges that person may appoint or how they will enact bills they are given to sign.

Let’s be careful about demanding our President be Pope. Moving away from Constitutional roles is the reason why we have all the messes we do.


55 posted on 09/09/2008 3:42:29 PM PDT by mnehring (Mavrick/Barracuda 2008)
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To: Borges

I have NO respect for Alan Keyes. When he was running for one of his Presidential tries, my husband & I talked to him in a hotel lobby. He would not look at me, he was not include me in the conversation, he would not answer any question I posed. It was as though I did not exist, I don’t know if it is his religious belifs that women are a sub-class and are not to be addressed, or he is just an elitist idiot, but whatever he is very sexist and would never receive a vote from me for an office. I’m not saying he is not intelligent, I think there is just no common sense there.
Not like Sarah, who got a second helping of common sense!!


56 posted on 09/09/2008 3:45:04 PM PDT by conservativesister
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To: mnehrling

Keyes turned on us years ago. It’s all over but the shouting.


57 posted on 09/09/2008 3:50:25 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Pretending that the Admin Moderator doesn't exist will result in a suspension.)
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To: Warhammer

Absolutely.


58 posted on 09/09/2008 4:01:05 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Don't talk about God, Life, Liberty, Borders or the IRS, and you'll do fine in the McCain GOP)
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To: Cyber Liberty; Maximum Scrunch; RKBA Democrat; Ron H.; EternalVigilance; CounterCounterCulture; ...

LOL...Alan hasn’t “turned on” anyone who still adheres to the principles he believes in and has consistently stood for for decades.

I have a question for those who are maliciously attacking him on this thread:

What’s your plan for stopping McCain’s global warmist, amnesty-granting, embryonic stem cell destroying, Planned Parenthood-funding, free republic-destroying, reach-across-the-aisle liberal-empowering agenda once he’s in office?

Unlike y’all, Dr. Keyes has one.

It’s amazing how quickly folks around here have forgotten who and what John McCain actually is.

(I would ask truly conservative readers to compare the spirit in which Dr. Keyes addresses Governor Palin with the spirit of those who are on this thread attacking him.)


59 posted on 09/09/2008 4:16:23 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Don't talk about God, Life, Liberty, Borders or the IRS, and you'll do fine in the McCain GOP)
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To: GovernmentShrinker

Your post pretty much sums up my thoughts on Palin.

But even if she didn’t have any children, it wouldn’t matter.

She will not be President, McCain will, so she will not be vetoing socialist legislation, she will not be appointing SCOTUS’ first true pro-life justice, she will not be openly speaking out against abortion...but she will be surrounded by hordes of liberal, socialist, statist, Democrat, pro-abort & anti-gun politicians and bureaucrats who will never allow her any influence. If she were to try, she would end up being the most marginalized VP in the history of the Republic. There will be ZERO pro-life, conservative or constitutionalist influence in a McCain administration, just as there will be ZERO of the same in a Hussein Obama administration. There isn’t even an absolute guarantee that she will be in office for her full term. Giving the purported ideological differences, I’m sure McCain would welcome an opportunity to replace her with Lieberman or Ridge.

I admire Alan Keyes for sticking his neck out like this. Most of our national Christian leaders appear to have accepted their thirty pieces of silver in exchange for a place at the table.


60 posted on 09/09/2008 4:16:40 PM PDT by SecAmndmt (Arm yourselves!)
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To: EternalVigilance
Unlike y’all, Dr. Keyes has one.

So what exactly has Keyes managed to accomplish since he left the State department over 20 years ago?

61 posted on 09/09/2008 4:19:04 PM PDT by scarface367
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To: conservativesister

I don’t know what kind of situation you walked into, but I’ve seen Alan consistently take large amounts of time to patiently listen to and talk to thousands and thousands of people all across the country. IOW, the person you describe, with the attitude you attribute to him, does not exist.

Shoot, you can talk to him personally tonight, if you want. Just let me know and I’ll give you the call-in number.


62 posted on 09/09/2008 4:21:07 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Don't talk about God, Life, Liberty, Borders or the IRS, and you'll do fine in the McCain GOP)
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To: EternalVigilance
Whatever. I disagree with Alan Keyes on tactics. Hell, he couldn't beat Obambi for Senate, why should I give a crap what he thinks now? Do something about that knee of yours...it jerks in embarrassing ways.
63 posted on 09/09/2008 4:21:29 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Pretending that the Admin Moderator doesn't exist will result in a suspension.)
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To: scarface367
So what exactly has Keyes managed to accomplish since he left the State department over 20 years ago?

He's one of the few leaders left in this country pointing the people back to the foundational principles our free republic is built upon.

Do you think that's perhaps worth something?

64 posted on 09/09/2008 4:23:22 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Don't talk about God, Life, Liberty, Borders or the IRS, and you'll do fine in the McCain GOP)
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To: scarface367
So what exactly has Keyes managed to accomplish since he left the State department over 20 years ago?

He's one of the few leaders left in this country pointing the people back to the foundational principles our free republic is built upon.

Do you think that's perhaps worth something?

65 posted on 09/09/2008 4:23:38 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Don't talk about God, Life, Liberty, Borders or the IRS, and you'll do fine in the McCain GOP)
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To: Cyber Liberty

No Republican could have salvaged that race, and you know it.

He knew it going in, but went because they begged him to, and if he hadn’t, Obama’s pro-death record would have gone unexposed. They were going to run a pro-abort woman if he continued to refuse.


66 posted on 09/09/2008 4:25:49 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Don't talk about God, Life, Liberty, Borders or the IRS, and you'll do fine in the McCain GOP)
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To: EternalVigilance
Do you think that's perhaps worth something?

Nope. Results are what matters. You can have all the lofty ideas you want, but if you can't deliver results you have accomplished nothing. All Keyes has accomplished is to lose races by larger and larger margins.

67 posted on 09/09/2008 4:27:15 PM PDT by scarface367
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To: scarface367

Well, if your plumbline for “relevance” is electoral success, I’m sure you’re a big Bill Clinton fan, then.


68 posted on 09/09/2008 4:30:59 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Don't talk about God, Life, Liberty, Borders or the IRS, and you'll do fine in the McCain GOP)
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To: EternalVigilance

Not at all. Perhaps you need better reading comprehension. I was asking what has Keyes actually accomplished and that results, not just ideas in ones head, matter.


69 posted on 09/09/2008 4:35:37 PM PDT by scarface367
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To: mnehrling

By the way, thanks for the link to America’s Independent Party.

It was started by FReepers, myself included, only a few short months ago, and is already the third-largest political party in the country, based on voter registration.

The Vice-President’s offices, even if that VP has the stomach for fighting their own CiC, which is by no means certain, are not a sufficient counterweight to John McCain’s obviously liberal policies. Not even close. And the Republican Party can no longer be relied upon to pursue policies that forward the conservative agenda.


70 posted on 09/09/2008 4:43:41 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Don't talk about God, Life, Liberty, Borders or the IRS, and you'll do fine in the McCain GOP)
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To: scarface367

Well, he was part of the conservative forces that made John Judas McCain pick Sarah Palin instead of Joe Lieberman.


71 posted on 09/09/2008 4:46:01 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Don't talk about God, Life, Liberty, Borders or the IRS, and you'll do fine in the McCain GOP)
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To: EternalVigilance

You have nothing to gain by attacking your fellow conservatives, that’s all I was saying. I’m finished on the subject.


72 posted on 09/09/2008 4:50:35 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Pretending that the Admin Moderator doesn't exist will result in a suspension.)
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To: All
What Sarah Palin didn't say
73 posted on 09/09/2008 4:53:02 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Don't talk about God, Life, Liberty, Borders or the IRS, and you'll do fine in the McCain GOP)
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To: Admin Moderator

I request that you remove the “barf alert” from this headline. There’s nothing in Dr. Keyes’ piece that is out of line with FR’s mission statement at all.


74 posted on 09/09/2008 4:54:42 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Don't talk about God, Life, Liberty, Borders or the IRS, and you'll do fine in the McCain GOP)
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To: mnehrling

I’ve requested that your “barf alert” be removed from the headline. This is the premiere independent conservative site on the web, not a cover-for-Republicans-at-all-cost one.


75 posted on 09/09/2008 4:57:53 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Don't talk about God, Life, Liberty, Borders or the IRS, and you'll do fine in the McCain GOP)
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To: Lady GOP
That is disgusting. I respect Keyes..

It was probably a little disgusting but since he's become a legend in his own mind and spent the last what, 6, 8 years, running to any State with an open Senate, and making a laughingstock of himself, I've decided to disrespect him. (:^[)

76 posted on 09/09/2008 5:30:13 PM PDT by RoadKingSE (How do you know that the light at the end of the tunnel isn't a muzzle flash?)
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To: Admin Moderator

I request that you modify the (Barf Alert) in this headline to ready (Thermonuclear Vomit Blast Alert).

That’s still an understatement, but Keyes so often beggars the language.


77 posted on 09/09/2008 5:34:44 PM PDT by Petronski (Zero-bama. All this time we thought it was an "O" but, nope, it's just a "0".)
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To: mnehrling

I’ve requested that your ‘barf alert’ in the headline be amplified appropriately.

Don’t hide that light under a bushel!


78 posted on 09/09/2008 5:35:57 PM PDT by Petronski (Zero-bama. All this time we thought it was an "O" but, nope, it's just a "0".)
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To: mnehrling; All

In all honesty I prefer Governors as President rather than Senators.. They tend to have more executive experience imho..


79 posted on 09/09/2008 6:14:03 PM PDT by KevinDavis (If Obama can't handle a town hall debate, then he can't handle the job of being President.)
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To: SecAmndmt; All

One thing, we are electing a COMMANDER IN CHIEF NOT A PASTOR IN CHIEF!!!


80 posted on 09/09/2008 6:16:48 PM PDT by KevinDavis (If Obama can't handle a town hall debate, then he can't handle the job of being President.)
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To: EternalVigilance

You don’t see Keyes implying McCain is not Christian, and Palin’s agreeing to his being his running mate somehow satanic somehow simply a perseverance of ‘conservative values’? It will be up to the mods but if anything is worthy of a Barf Alert, it is Keyes speaking for God and decrying ones salvation based on political differences. His statement could easily be turned and be called blasphemy. All I see is the rant of a bitter man who once was a great orator of Conservationism and now, sounds no different than Chuck Baldwin.

It also seems, based on the posts, your thought is outnumbered over 10 to 1 by a lot of good Conservative FReepers.


81 posted on 09/09/2008 6:57:43 PM PDT by mnehring (Mavrick/Barracuda 2008)
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To: mnehrling
Add Keyes to the list of folks who have turned on Conservatives- bashing Palin.

BASHING Palin? His critical position is entirely correct, not only from a Christian point of view, but from a libertarian, and Constitutional point of view as well.

If this information is confirmed (which it undoubtedly will be) regarding Palin's compromise on homosexual rights, it is a huge black mark that socon conservatives will not overlook. Her explanation thereof had best be forthcoming.

As to Dr. Keyes "turning on Conservatives", I find that to be a ludicrous assertion. Dr. Keyes position has not changed one bit in the ten years that I have followed his career.

If anything, it is those who claim to be conservatives who have turned on him, in their mad rush to "run to their prophets with itching ears".

82 posted on 09/09/2008 8:36:12 PM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just Socialism in a business suit.)
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To: mnehrling

That seals the deal for me. If Keyes is against it, I’m all for it.


83 posted on 09/09/2008 8:37:45 PM PDT by sabe@q.com (Yes, I'm a SW freak!)
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To: KevinDavis

???


84 posted on 09/09/2008 8:51:48 PM PDT by SecAmndmt (Arm yourselves!)
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To: SecAmndmt; EternalVigilance; CounterCounterCulture
She will not be President, McCain will.

I admire Alan Keyes for sticking his neck out like this. Most of our national Christian leaders appear to have accepted their thirty pieces of silver in exchange for a place at the table.

Me too. If nothing else, Alan Keyes represents true Conservatism on the ballot.

Those Conservatives who would compromise themselves and vote for the very nemesis who had betrayed them, who had gained his position by treachery against them, Who consorts with, and is funded by their enemies... Those Conservatives will have to look across the name of Alan Keyes to complete their transaction, against all honor and against all principle.

When the deed is done they will have no excuse for their actions. God had raised up the statesman they clamor for, and had given them the choice for "real change" that they profess to desire. That they did not possess the courage of their convictions, as did their fathers before them, let that choice be upon their own heads.

85 posted on 09/09/2008 9:26:51 PM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just Socialism in a business suit.)
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To: mnehrling

I hate to see the Right cannibalize it’s own. So tacky/innappropriate for him to do it now! Left is doing such a great job attacking Palin, no need for any Republicans to pile on!

This is harsh & many may disagree, but in my opinion, it is really too bad Keyes did not do some soul searching looking in the mirror before his terribly unsuccessful attempt to convince people in Illinois that he was a bonafide Illinoisan thereby allowing Obama to win Illinois Senate in first place. How long did he live in Illinois prior to announcing?

Sad, I really used to have respect for him before he came to Illlinois.


86 posted on 09/09/2008 9:27:25 PM PDT by bushwon
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To: bushwon

That’s funny. I consider his campaign against Obama to be a badge of honor. He was willing to lay it all down to expose the marxist, and he had the courage to do it.


87 posted on 09/09/2008 9:35:08 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Don't talk about God, Life, Liberty, Borders or the IRS, and you'll do fine in the McCain GOP)
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To: roamer_1

Just to be clear, I’m not a Keyes for President supporter.

Unfortunately, I don’t believe that God intends for raise up a statesman for us at the moment. There needs to be a great (Christian) re-awakening and repentance first, I think. There is going to be far more hardship before that happens.

Baldwin for President 2008!


88 posted on 09/09/2008 9:40:52 PM PDT by SecAmndmt (Arm yourselves!)
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To: SecAmndmt
Just to be clear, I’m not a Keyes for President supporter.

That is certainly your choice. Those who would support Barr or Baldwin are thoughtful enough- They have not succumbed to the rantings of the jeering mob, as have those who adore the Rinossiah.

My particular support of Keyes stems from my firm support of Reagan Conservatism. As the only Reagan Conservative on the field, I find him to be the only one capable of embracing all three pillars of Conservatism. On principle, I must support him for that reason. As I tend to lean toward socon issues, his strong Christian positions don't hurt him much with me either, and especially his unassailable Pro-Life credentials.

Unfortunately, I don’t believe that God intends for raise up a statesman for us at the moment. There needs to be a great (Christian) re-awakening and repentance first, I think. There is going to be far more hardship before that happens.

I agree, that is the likelihood, but that does not mean that the choice has not been before us all the way along- and in a multitude of ways. The choice between light and darkness is always there.

Unfortunately, on the political right, "electability" (another name for fear) so often leaves us nothing but rampant, straining, RINO herds of Republicanism, run amok.

89 posted on 09/09/2008 10:18:12 PM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just Socialism in a business suit.)
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To: EternalVigilance

Good article.

Two other things which Sarah Palin neglected to mention:

1. The explosion of federal spending, much of it unconstitutional, even under R Congress and R executive branch control
2. The Federal Reserve and the inflation tax (now heading north of 10% y-o-y)

Since you didn’t mention them either, where does Alan Keyes stand on these issues?


90 posted on 09/10/2008 4:57:15 AM PDT by SecAmndmt (Arm yourselves!)
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To: GovernmentShrinker
Yeah, that's what a lot of FReepers told me when I kept saying Keyes was loony-tunes and not deserving of our political support.

Keyes is an entirely different subject.

However, I agree with you.

91 posted on 09/10/2008 6:25:14 AM PDT by TChris (Democrats: Where are we going? ...and why am I in this handbasket?)
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To: Admin Moderator
I humbly request that, although is seems almost too mild a caution, the “barf alert” remain in the title of this thread.
92 posted on 09/10/2008 6:34:41 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: mnehrling

Pinging you to post #92.


93 posted on 09/10/2008 6:37:16 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: SecAmndmt

Restoring limited government

We seek to restore the intended balance between the three separate branches of our government, and to strictly limit government to the Enumerated Powers granted and expressed by the will of the people of the United States in our Constitution.

All existing functions of the Executive branch that are outside of those Enumerated Powers must be eliminated.

All spending and regulation by the Legislative branch that lies outside the Enumerated Powers must cease.

Judges who attempt to legislate from the bench, or who abandon the clear principles of our Constitution, must be checked if liberty and justice are to prevail in our society once again.

We demand a return to adherence to the provisions of the Tenth Amendment: “The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.”

http://aipnews.com/mxPage.asp?ID=3


94 posted on 09/10/2008 6:50:28 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (Don't talk about God, Life, Liberty, Borders or the IRS, and you'll do fine in the McCain GOP)
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To: SecAmndmt

We often point out that the Constitution itself describes its ultimate purpose: “to secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our posterity.”

The monetary policies you describe, and which any sensible person knows that John McCain or Barack Obama will do nothing to change, at least for the better, are a complete abrogation of that purpose.

Instead of securing our posterity, we are enslaving it.

What could possibly be more selfish?


95 posted on 09/10/2008 6:56:05 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (Don't talk about God, Life, Liberty, Borders or the IRS, and you'll do fine in the McCain GOP)
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To: mnehrling

Alan the boys of the GOP have failed. Now she gets a turn.


96 posted on 09/10/2008 7:02:23 AM PDT by bmwcyle (Vote McWhatshisname and PALIN)
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To: scarface367
So what exactly has Keyes managed to accomplish since he left the State department over 20 years ago?

He's managed to live for 20 years without a job*--you've got to admit that's pretty impressive. *I do not consider "Perennial Candidate" to be a legitimate job. Nor do I consider flitting from one conservative cause du jour to another to fleece the gullible to be a legitimate job.

97 posted on 09/10/2008 1:36:49 PM PDT by Bosh Flimshaw
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To: EternalVigilance

I have no reason to dislike or distrust Palin. She’s more conservative that McCain is. She may not know how to stand up to the judiciary, but that puts her in company with 99.5% of the House, Senate, and 100% of the executives in this country, holding state or national, elective or administrative office.

In fact, there is much to like about Palin, and I wish her a long and meaningful political career.

But the sad fact is that it is McCain who is running for President this year. It will be his policies — ala Amnesty, Campaign Finance, Global Warming, etc. — that are pursued by the administration, not Palin’s.

So say what you will about Keyes’ commentary here. “Unequally yoked” hits just about the right note.


98 posted on 09/10/2008 3:28:44 PM PDT by outlawcam (Would you rather shout at the devil from across the aisle, or have him whisper in your ear?)
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To: mnehrling

Keyes ‘08: God, I Thank You That I Am Not As Other Men.


99 posted on 09/10/2008 3:39:54 PM PDT by RichInOC (Stupidity is its own punishment...but too many people in politics think they're exempt.)
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To: RichInOC

Ouch, good one..


100 posted on 09/10/2008 3:52:02 PM PDT by mnehring (Maverick/Barracuda 2008)
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