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Rumblings In The Jungle Journalists Turn On Charlie Gibson
Friends and fiends at network in NY and DC | MB26

Posted on 09/12/2008 1:03:36 PM PDT by MindBender26

The Rumblings In The Jungle – Journalists Turn On Charlie Gibson.

The phone lines are again rumbling in New York and Washington. The overriding question: Et Tu, Charlie?

I have spoken with a number of old TV journalist friends in last 12 hours. The haze of amazement hanging over the network newsroom is palatable. It’s as if old truths have been proven wrong, old friends abandoned their dearest comrades, and we all awakened up to find out that 2 + 2 really does equals 7.

Charlie Gibson’s (well, he has been “Charlie” for years, but since he apparently is not the man we all thought we knew, perhaps we should drop the familiarity.)

Let’s start again.

Charles Gibson’s interview of Sarah Palin last night was an embarrassment to ABC, journalism in general, television news in particular, and most importantly, to Mr. Gibson himself. It was not an interview. It was a debate, a sucker-punch, loaded debate where one side got to choose the questions, interrupt the other side, and then in conclusion, score the debate and give the audience their slanted interpretation of what it all meant.

The supposed interview was nothing more than a coast-to-coast, satellite-fed game of “gotcha.” ABC could have provided a valuable service to voters. Ms Palin is a newcomer to the national political scene and a realistic attempt to learn her views on important issues would have been very valuable. But last night there was little attempt to elicit Ms Palin’s beliefs on the problems of our time. The “interview” was dominated by loaded questions and sneers of disbelief whenever the Governor dared to give an answer not blessed by the New York-Washington liberal news cabal. Mr. Gibson acted more like a district attorney cross-examining a hostile witness than, dare I use the term, a “journalist” who understood America wanted to hear about Governor Palin’s positions, not his.

A polite note to Mr. Gibson: This was supposed to be an interview, not “Law and Order,” or, as it turned out, “Low and Disorderly.”

Witnesses in the network newsrooms say the reaction to the interview’s airing was akin to the televised reading of the O.J. Simpson verdict. Back then, many African-Americans cheered, while many Whites shook their heads in disbelief.

Last night, the ever-so-hip young producers and news writers, (the ones fresh from the Ivy League thought factories,) cheered; Good Old Mr. Gibson was putting her in her place! How dare this…. this…. this small state governor…. a Republican at that…. how could she ever think she is good enough to be on a national ticket! How could she ever hope to compete against the likes of such Washington Power Moguls such as Obama, Biden, and Clinton, (either Clinton, take your pick.)

Ms Palin, that Governor, that hunter, that right-to-life that weirdo, (psssst… did you know her daughter is pregnant,) well, she had the gall to try for national office without the approval of the national news media…. or as they see themselves…. the People Who Matter.

At ABC, the adolescent smirks ran as high as Sarah Palin’s approval ratings in Alaska.

But there were some who refused to join the chorus. The old guys, (yes, most were guys back then,) the guys who remember how it was years ago were upset and disappointed. These are the ones who remember when facts counted, not the reporter’s opinion.

You see, back about 50 years ago, many reporters were liberals, but a different kind of liberal. Many would take great pains to remove any liberal bias from their stories. The few conservatives, well, we too would ensure our story cut it down the middle, without conservative or liberal bias. We had all learned that in Washington there is plenty of blame, inefficiency, graft and crime to go around. You don’t have to just single out one side of the political scale. The idea was to craft your story so the reader, listener or viewer couldn’t tell which side of the political spectrum you were on. As one of the old Morrow Gang said, “I try to balance my pieces so I get an equal amount of derogatory mail from both sides. When the raving lunatic hate mail is split evenly between the liberals and conservatives, I know I am going a good job.”

That’s all changed now. Back when I started in TV, we would joke that the term “Investigative Journalist” was redundant; that all journalists were expected to be able to conduct a fair and impartial investigation, and we were expected to do so on a regular basis.

Today, it’s all “advocacy journalism.” Reporters think their stories shouldn’t just give viewers the facts. They take steps to color their pieces so viewers act in a certain way. Is the typical reporter now willing to slant a story to help their cause or candidate? Absolutely. If fact, if their story fails to promote their beliefs over others, they see it as a failure.

Which brings us all back to Charl….. make that Mr. Gibson. According to the old rules, Mr. Gibson should have asked the questions, waited for the answers, then let us, the Great Unwashed make up our minds as to who is best qualified. But now we now all know that there is no doubt; Ms. Palin is unqualified. Charles Gibson’s sneer says so.

Up until last night, Charlie Gibson was thought of as the “nicest guy in television.” Tonight, the quiet feelings among some are “Charlie, we hardly knew ya.”

Many of the older guys are not so much angry as they are disappointed. One from CBS was tempted to send Mr. Gibson an e-mail that began, “Dear Dan,”

The old Charlie Gibson was a great guy. We will miss him.


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To: MindBender26

When Bill O’Reilly can give a fairer shake to Obama than Gibson did to Palin, you know somewhere a Pig has grown wings.

And may even enjoy wearing lipstick.


51 posted on 09/12/2008 1:41:19 PM PDT by rom (Cold on McCain '08. Enthusiastic about McCain-Palin '08!)
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To: mort56
And didn’t you all like the artifice of Charlie wearing his glasses Ben Franklin style

Noticed that but I didn't think of Ben Franklin. It looked to me like he was looking down his nose at her, sort of a permanent sneer, and his chair was somehow elevated higher than hers. Camera angle? Who knows.

52 posted on 09/12/2008 1:41:29 PM PDT by BerryDingle (I know how to deal with communists, I still wear their scars on my back from Hollywood-Ronald Reagan)
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To: constant

Sarah is a star. “Sorry Charlie, only the best get to be star kissed. ... Bug off you has-been democrat flack.”


53 posted on 09/12/2008 1:42:05 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: rom

I fully expect Bill O’Reilly to skewer Charles Gibson, tonight. It will prove Bill is actually a ‘no spin’ champiuon.


54 posted on 09/12/2008 1:43:28 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: rom

I fully expect Bill O’Reilly to skewer Charles Gibson, tonight. It will prove Bill is actually a ‘no spin’ champion.


55 posted on 09/12/2008 1:43:37 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: Interesting Times

Oh, he doubtless meant palpable, but maybe things were getting palatable in that newsroom....

Brie, anyone?

CA....


56 posted on 09/12/2008 1:44:04 PM PDT by Chances Are (Whew! It seems I've at last found that silly grin!)
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To: GonzoGOP
Back when I was working on the road, one basic requirement for a reporter was being able to sweet talk the female overnight sheriff's dispatcher into giving you the sheriff’s home phone at 2:00 AM.

In my ABC days, a certain later-famous CBS reporter beat us all to the story because he, and only he, was willing to go ballistic with the 220 pound female overnight South Texas radio dispatcher.... at the somewhat darkened courthouse.

According to “ear witnesses” the deed was done while she continued to answer the telephone and dispatch deputies on calls!

57 posted on 09/12/2008 1:45:45 PM PDT by MindBender26 (Never kick a leftist when they are down. Wait until they are halfway back up. You get more leverage!)
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To: John W

Former actor David Hartman was a better interviewer than Charlie who he replaced on GMA which led to his anchor slot.


58 posted on 09/12/2008 1:46:01 PM PDT by xp38
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To: Old Professer

Totally


59 posted on 09/12/2008 1:46:30 PM PDT by MindBender26 (Never kick a leftist when they are down. Wait until they are halfway back up. You get more leverage!)
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To: misterrob
I want a proven executive in the job because that's what POTUS is, the ultimate CEO job.

There is no one on either ticket that comes close to filling that want except Sarah Palin.

She may not have long term experience as the chief excutive of a state but the other three have no equivalent experience. Yes, McCain claims he managed a fighter squadron, Obama claims he managed a huge election campaign and Biden actually managed to screw the taxpayers for over thirty years but, realistically, none of that counts.

All three have experience as legislators but being a member of a legislature is more like being a member of a committee than being an executive manager.

There are very good reasons that legislators rarely rise to the position of chief executive. The different skills that come into play are the most important consideration. Legislators and committee members succeed by making deals, forming concensus, and placing their will and insight secondary to the will of the group.

Presidents and chief executives must make and implement decisions as individuals and they are held responsible for those decisions.

Any voter willing to accept Barack Obama as chief executive is voting for a lofty speech and any complaints about Sarah Palin's lack of experience are baseless rationalizations

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60 posted on 09/12/2008 1:46:41 PM PDT by Iron Munro (The Alaskan landscape is littered with the bodies of those who have crossed Sarah Palin)
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To: MHGinTN

Go onto abcnews.com and send Charlie a message. I just let him know that he is a weak and spineless partisan that I had not realized before his quasi- mafioso interogation.


61 posted on 09/12/2008 1:47:17 PM PDT by sanjuanbob
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To: MindBender26

"Little lady, we've had all of your disruptiveness we're going to take!"
62 posted on 09/12/2008 1:47:43 PM PDT by mrsmith
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To: hinckley buzzard

Hell, I remember when he was the weatherman.


63 posted on 09/12/2008 1:55:30 PM PDT by the lastbestlady (I now believe that we have two lives; the life we learn with and the life we live with after that.)
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To: MindBender26

Gibson showed he was not qualified to do an important national interview. He failed miserably and exposed himself as just the male version of Whoopi Goldberg.


64 posted on 09/12/2008 1:55:58 PM PDT by kittymyrib
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To: jporcus
Indeed.

Dripping is a good way to describe his arrogance and creepy overall demeanor. Charlie might as well have been holding his nose and gagging continuously.

Sarah was on to it immediately and maybe just a little hurt by it....I sensed her sadness at his nasty attack mode instead of a genuine interest in her ideas, and I was amazed at her calm acceptance of his childish bullying and her ability to nail him with great fluidity of response and intense eye contact.

He hates that she did not fold under his creepy manipulations and traps. He must be furious that she trashed his ego filled sense of elitism. She punished him in the nicest of ways.

She failed to make him a saint amoung his fellow liberal gooks.

He failed to show Sarah as an airhead.

Sarah ruled.

And McCain has shown us all something many of us never knew he had...an immense sense of character.

65 posted on 09/12/2008 1:57:58 PM PDT by Republic (Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity & Mark Levin have a genuine passion for our nation!)
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To: comebacknewt

Funny you should post that...

I live in one of the most liberal areas of the country. Normally, Conservatives do not discuss politics due to the vicious response they receive about their viewpoints.

Well, the other day I was in my local supermarket and a woman I had never seen before and I remarked about the high price and low quality of the escarole. The discussion then went to the economy and gas prices to the changes in our neighborhood from ‘sanctuary cities’ surrounding us and finally to politics.

She hates Bush. Thinks all Republicans are extreme right wingers (paraphrasing) and then said something very interesting.

After looking over her shoulder, you know the way ppl do when they are about to tell a questionable joke, and tentatively said... “but, ya know, I like Sarah Palin”. When I said I did too, she admitted that she was originally afraid to admit it to her friends but came to find they all like her too.

she doesn’t know why she likes Gov. Palin but she really does, her friends really do. And she is angry how the media is treating her.

I told her it was ok to like Gov Palin. It was, in fact, good for her family and good for her country to like Gov. Palin. Then I gave her my business card with some cool links on the back (to this site and the numbersusa site and a few others) and left feeling that I did my good deed for the day.

It is surprising how this is all turning out. McCain was losing. Now ppl from all walks of life are on his side, mostly out of gathering in protectionism of Gov. Palin in a way that women do when one of are own are threatened.


66 posted on 09/12/2008 1:59:18 PM PDT by KarenMarie
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To: MindBender26

Geez, the bodies are gonna start pilin’ up fast.


67 posted on 09/12/2008 2:01:58 PM PDT by covered wagon
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To: kittymyrib
[ Gibson showed he was not qualified to do an important national interview. He failed miserably and exposed himself as just the male version of Whoopi Goldberg. ]

Ouch.. that had to hurt..

68 posted on 09/12/2008 2:04:29 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: MindBender26

Charlie Gibson was pathetic. I’m also a bit disappointed with his past “colleagues” (including on Fox) who are trying to give him a break, when they really should be saying what is the obvious, that this “interview” was a horribly condescending interrogation that would never happen if Gibson was interviewing a man. Stupid jerk.


69 posted on 09/12/2008 2:05:14 PM PDT by jporcus
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To: MHGinTN
I fully expect Bill O’Reilly to skewer Charles Gibson, tonight. It will prove Bill is actually a ‘no spin’ champion.

I expect you will be disappointed, He is playing second string to Hannity, who will interview Sarah, on Tuesday.

70 posted on 09/12/2008 2:05:55 PM PDT by itsahoot (We will have world government. The only question is whether by conquest or consent.)
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To: itsahoot

I’m going to be listening intently to Mark Levin’s show this afternoon ... he is the gentleman who will skewer these liberal pukes at the drop of a hat and his analysis is ALWAYS precise and accurate.


71 posted on 09/12/2008 2:13:39 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: MindBender26
And they say Dukakis looked stupid in the tank...
72 posted on 09/12/2008 2:17:27 PM PDT by Doctor Raoul (Fire the CIA and hire the Free Clinic, someone who knows how to stop leaks.)
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To: MindBender26
Charley "The Tuna" Gibson doesn't even know what the global mean annual temperature is at the surface (no fudging for mountains) and he tried to get the Sarah barracuda into a debate on whether or not ice melts in the summer.

What an idiot!

73 posted on 09/12/2008 2:18:47 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Right Wing Assault

well it definitely prepares Sarah for the debate with Biden. It’s all for the good, I tell ya


74 posted on 09/12/2008 2:26:57 PM PDT by ari-freedom (We never hide from history. We make history!)
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To: MindBender26

What’s worse for them is that Palin didn’t whine about being a victim. She answered the questions and didn’t talk about how unfair everyone is to her. This is one of her outstanding qualities.


75 posted on 09/12/2008 2:27:34 PM PDT by yazoo
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To: hosepipe
Hanns Scharff was the premier German interrogator of WWII. He never even raised his voice to a POW yet in a simple, maybe even a friendly conversation, he could get vast amounts of useful intelligence.

I know a guy who knew Hanns Scharff. Charles Gibson is no Hanns Scharff!

76 posted on 09/12/2008 2:30:11 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

LoL...


77 posted on 09/12/2008 2:36:49 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: misterrob
I wouldn't vote for her as POTUS with her current resume.

What, pray tell, would be your standard then?

After all, Governor Palin has more executive experience (at least in a political/government context) than a few other Presidents - let alone Vice-Presidents.

FDR and Teddy Roosevelt each had only held the elective office of governor - for a nicely coincidental two years - before winning on a national ticket (TR as vice-president).

Oh, and aside from a little military experience and running a farm, one might say that the resume was a little thin for . . . George Washington.

I'm not saying that Sarah Palin is particularly well-qualified for the job, but I think Senators are, in general, even less so. And unlike Governors, I truly think that Senators become less qualified, not more, with more time in Washington.

Because in addition to being executives, they also need to represent the people of the nation, and aside from judges, long-term Senators are probably the most-isolated, most aloof people in public office.

And yes, from that you can tell that I think none of the other three people are terribly well qualified, either. However, since none-of-the-above is not a viable, option, I'll be voting for McCain-Palin as a ticket that became more qualified - not less - when Governor Palin was added to it.
78 posted on 09/12/2008 2:38:18 PM PDT by Phlyer
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To: MindBender26

Gibson is as sleazy as the rest at ABCCBSNBC, Euro wannabe’s all. They don’t like America or Americans. They yearn to be Social Euros.

In 1776, they would have supported King George III.


79 posted on 09/12/2008 2:45:04 PM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . Conservation? Let the NE Yankees freeze.... in the dark)
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To: John W
In defense of poor Charlie, he really is like a third-stringer. He’s 65 and got the job he currently has only after one guy died and the next one almost did.

A joe biden type of guy. After your are around long enough, you finally get a few crumbs.

80 posted on 09/12/2008 2:56:04 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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To: MindBender26
Ms Palin is a newcomer to the national political scene

That should be Mrs Palin.

81 posted on 09/12/2008 2:57:52 PM PDT by dfwgator ( Go OSU, beat USC!)
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To: MHGinTN
I’m going to be listening intently to Mark Levin’s show this afternoon ...

Free download from iTunes for Mark Levin. I love him as well.

82 posted on 09/12/2008 3:04:38 PM PDT by itsahoot (We will have world government. The only question is whether by conquest or consent.)
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To: itsahoot

Ah, the great one is building slowly to the total evisceration of Charlie-Tuna Gibson.


83 posted on 09/12/2008 3:09:23 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: Chunga; MindBender26
" I have spoken with a number of old TV journalist friends in last 12 hours."

Please provide their names and their affiliations. This article contains no sources. As such, it can't be taken seriously.

Yo, Chunga, this great piece doesn't pretend or presume to be a piece of reporting. It is a personal, first-person anecdotal opinion piece, and a darned well-done one. As a reader fully aware of this from the first few lines, I went into it buyer-beware, first cousin to your "taken seriously" assumption.

Now had it been a news story, with a byline, in third person, clearly aiming to convey factual info, you'd have a point. Unnamed sources in published news stories should be suspect and may or may not be taken seriously.

84 posted on 09/12/2008 4:08:07 PM PDT by Finny ("Raise hell. Vote smart." -- Ted Nugent)
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To: MindBender26

Took some kind of hubris to conduct the interview that way, Charlie.


85 posted on 09/12/2008 4:44:30 PM PDT by Graymatter
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To: MindBender26
I have never been able to figure out how Gibson got anywhere in the industry. He's always come off as a prissy smart alec who is above it all.

Having said that, I am perplexed by this article's point of view. The interview wasn't THAT awful in terms of fairness, and we shouldn't want Palin to be protected from tough questioning. The only reason to fear boobs like Gibson is if we suspect she really isn't up to the challenge. I think she proved she is. I'm sure Palin shrugged off Charlie's little gotcha session, and we shouldn't start bleating like the DUmmies. Conservatives will always be on the short end of the "double standard" stick; whining about it only makes us look weak. I bet Palin isn't whining about it.

86 posted on 09/12/2008 10:02:32 PM PDT by Darkwolf377 (Sarah Palin--the man Biden and Obama wish they could be.)
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To: Darkwolf377
Charlie-Tuna Gibson isn't the relevant factor anymore ... he's a piece of human detritus. He showed he's sold out to the dnc sycophancy. What is so disgusting about the spectacle is the lying hit piece with which ABC preceded the evening program.
87 posted on 09/12/2008 10:06:14 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: MHGinTN

I didn’t see that. Gibson is just so gag-inducing—he really does think he’s the gatekeeper, and anyone who dares run for office has to pass through his blazing intellect (?) first. I bet an interview with Biden would be a mutual love fest.


88 posted on 09/12/2008 10:26:28 PM PDT by Darkwolf377 (Sarah Palin--the man Biden and Obama wish they could be.)
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To: MindBender26
I'm surprised as possible that there are any in the media who noticed an apparent bias.

Nothing else coming out of the media would make me believe being unbiased was ever a concern of theirs.

89 posted on 09/12/2008 10:36:10 PM PDT by ConservativeMind (What's "Price Gouging"? Should government force us to sell to the 15th highest bidder on eBay?)
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To: Darkwolf377

I’m sipping now on the second double Maragrita, so I am more philosophical about it all. Gibson is a dung encrusted welly to be discarded as worn out. He’s sold his soul in lust for relevance, clueless, a small man, trying to throw his growing physical weight around as if it has spiritual capital. He’s a pig, but has no bacon.


90 posted on 09/12/2008 10:36:35 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: MindBender26
Sources burned cease to be sources.

That's really weak. Are you saying that none of the people you talked to were willing to go on the record?

News stories without sources are rumormongering...nothing more.

91 posted on 09/13/2008 12:52:56 AM PDT by Chunga (Vote Republican)
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To: Phlyer

Uh, if you bothered to read the rest of my post then you would see what my requirements are. And, you simply cannot compare the world of today with what we had over 200 years ago.

All I am asking for is a track record. 2 years isn’t enough.


92 posted on 09/13/2008 4:59:43 AM PDT by misterrob (Obama-Keep the Change!)
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To: Chunga

(sigh)

Chunga, Mindbender has shown to be credible here on FR for years. When a source talks on background, that’s got to be respected.


93 posted on 09/13/2008 10:55:58 AM PDT by bootless (Never Forget - And Never Again. And Always Act.)
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To: MindBender26

Thanks MB26. I was hoping to get your take on the ‘interview’.


94 posted on 09/13/2008 10:59:54 AM PDT by TexasNative2000 (Obviously, liberals can't handle a strong, independent woman.)
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To: Chunga
Dude, MB26 is one of our most valuable assets on FR. He has more contacts in the media than Obama has foreign policy advisors.

Trust him.

95 posted on 09/13/2008 11:02:33 AM PDT by TexasNative2000 (Obviously, liberals can't handle a strong, independent woman.)
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To: MindBender26
Thanks, great piece. I often wonder if anybody in the MSM is disgusted by the behavior of the majority of their peers. As for Gibson, he's just some talking head who happened to be there when everybody ahead of him in line died or retired. He's a good example of the downside of seniority. No convictions, no inner principles, just a clerk who got promoted. Kind of like drunken weatherman Jack Cafferty, who I suspect CNN keeps around for his “Cute curmudgeon” schtik.
96 posted on 09/13/2008 11:27:07 AM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: MindBender26

I wish someone could post a pic of Gibson’s ABC NEWs staff.

There is one of Brian Williams staff in Vogue.

around 20 folks....all women, one homosexual man......about 40% black women and several lesbians

no wonder...this is who determines news in most media today and they get cornfed pecekrwoodmen and women to read it for us...

it’s pure propaganda more often than not

*McGowan/Coloring the News


97 posted on 09/13/2008 11:32:26 AM PDT by wardaddy (Obama/Pol Pot 2008)
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To: MindBender26
Charlie's snide, condescending remarks, and the substance that was left on the cutting room floor didn't accomplish what Gibson set out to do: to destroy Sarah Palin. As a matter of fact, I think SHE ATE HIS LUNCH.

As for her castrating the leftist press, you can't cut what was never there. All Palin has done is expose them for the knobless crybabies they have always been. Sarah, YOU GO!! Woot, woot!!

98 posted on 09/13/2008 12:26:28 PM PDT by redhead (Wasilla is on the map, and we are NOT happy about it.)
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To: redhead
She is

"The Thrilla From Wasilla !"


99 posted on 09/13/2008 12:27:56 PM PDT by MindBender26 (Never kick a leftist when they are down. Wait until they are halfway back up. You get more leverage!)
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To: MindBender26
Thrilla from Wasilla

"I wants Joe Biden"

100 posted on 09/13/2008 12:31:27 PM PDT by P.O.E. (Big Government is the opiate of the masses.)
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