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Major Train Derailment Metro Link In California
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Posted on 09/12/2008 4:48:21 PM PDT by My Favorite Headache

Metro Link train in flames...dozens of ambulances en-route to the scene...


TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: chatsworth; lacatrain; losangeles; metrolink; rail; train; trainwreck; transportation; wot
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To: BurbankKarl

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151 posted on 09/13/2008 1:13:10 PM PDT by Ladycalif (Free - Ramos and Compean)
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To: Ladycalif

What the heck is this spam????


152 posted on 09/13/2008 1:22:15 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Ladycalif

now its 24.

I get LAFD pages on my cellphone...


153 posted on 09/13/2008 1:28:45 PM PDT by BurbankKarl
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To: Spktyr

I think that is from the Connex website...


154 posted on 09/13/2008 1:30:56 PM PDT by BurbankKarl
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To: BurbankKarl; lainie

LA County Coroner mass casualty tents.... This was one of the Homeland Security grants since 9/11

155 posted on 09/13/2008 1:34:40 PM PDT by BurbankKarl
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To: ZGuy

Reading this gave me goosebumps, ZGuy. It is a unique feeling when you have a close call like that. I read in your later posts that Gary, and also Bob, are okay. What a disaster, though, for those who did not make or are in critical condition.


156 posted on 09/13/2008 1:55:51 PM PDT by La Enchiladita (Never Forget, 9-11-01)
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To: Ladycalif

Thanks for the post. Some folks still don’t know that the Metrolink Engineer and Conductors are contracted out to Veolia Transportation.

Your post was interesting. I’m sure Veolia provides hundreds of thousands if not millions of hours in labor each year with few incidents. One of these accidents sure delivers a black eye though.


157 posted on 09/13/2008 1:57:12 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (McCain, the Ipecac President.)
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To: DoughtyOne

The trains aren’t going that fast there. I take it twice everyday. At that stretch the train goes 30 or so. The train would have left the Chatsworth station about 2 minutes prior to the crash.


158 posted on 09/13/2008 1:59:12 PM PDT by ZGuy
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To: myprecious
Thank you.
159 posted on 09/13/2008 2:01:39 PM PDT by Churchillspirit
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To: Hi Heels

Oh no, so sorry to hear that.....


160 posted on 09/13/2008 2:03:20 PM PDT by La Enchiladita (Never Forget, 9-11-01)
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To: ZGuy

Thanks. That would have been my take mostly because there are several ninety degree bends in the track near there. Still, there are some people who have been saying the trains go about 70 on that stretch of track. I can’t honesly imagine that.

The Conductor wouldn’t know the exact speed. He could give a pretty good guess, but he is doing other things and might not be noticing the speed very much, unless it was outside the normal speed considerably.

That would be my take on it.


161 posted on 09/13/2008 2:11:25 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (McCain, the Ipecac President.)
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To: mylife; lainie

they are lifting the Metrolink Car now....LAFD said they needed a forensic photographer on stand by.

In any case, they said the “recovery” operation will be over by 5pm today.


162 posted on 09/13/2008 2:11:49 PM PDT by BurbankKarl
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To: Hi Heels

I missed this earlier. I’m very sorry to hear this.


163 posted on 09/13/2008 2:12:29 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (McCain, the Ipecac President.)
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To: BurbankKarl

Glad to hear the worst is over


164 posted on 09/13/2008 2:13:18 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of the Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: La Enchiladita

More bad news is going to be coming out. I just found out that a Moorpark pastor and his wife were on the train. He does not show any brain activity. His wife is being released today with a punctured lung.

Since trainriders often only know each other by first name or by face only, unless they publish a list of pictures of the victims, we will never know for certain if someone we used to ride with didn’t make it.


165 posted on 09/13/2008 2:15:40 PM PDT by ZGuy
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To: DoughtyOne

The 70 mph ends in Chatsworth....the section where the accident was is 40 mph. I have the timetable in front of me (I am one of those train nuts too)

KNBC 4 is live right now.


166 posted on 09/13/2008 2:15:52 PM PDT by BurbankKarl
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To: BurbankKarl

I’m leary of the aftermath of pulling that engine out. I hope I’m wrong.


167 posted on 09/13/2008 2:16:09 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (McCain, the Ipecac President.)
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To: BurbankKarl

I like trains but I’m not quite the level of nut. I wouldn’t mind being though. There is something about trains that interest me. There’s something about the sea and sail boats too. It’s sorta like I hear them calling me.


168 posted on 09/13/2008 2:18:21 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (McCain, the Ipecac President.)
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To: BurbankKarl

Interesting the NTSB lady said they heard “Metrolink’s theory of what happened”


169 posted on 09/13/2008 2:20:26 PM PDT by BurbankKarl
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To: BurbankKarl

Thanks for the KNBC(4) tip. I was able to catch part of it.

CNN Headline News has been covering it too.


170 posted on 09/13/2008 2:20:37 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (McCain, the Ipecac President.)
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To: ZGuy

I made a mistake also and didn’t read to the news that Bob has two broken legs... awful.

Many familiar faces will surely be missing, should you decide to take that train again. I watched a man being interviewed on ch.9 last night. He was one of two riding in the second car who emerged unscathed. Later, when he was asked if he would ride that train again, he said he had to talk with his wife and daughters about that. The interview, where he described the crash, the conditions and rescuing other passengers from the car, was very poignant.

I was going to take a different train yesterday out to the L.A. County Fair, but came down with a bad cold.


171 posted on 09/13/2008 2:23:35 PM PDT by La Enchiladita (Never Forget, 9-11-01)
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To: BurbankKarl

Metrolink may be extrapolating their theory based on the normal etiquette in that area of track. The NTSB should take it with a grain of salt. They need to look at all the possibilities real hard.


172 posted on 09/13/2008 2:23:42 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (McCain, the Ipecac President.)
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To: DoughtyOne

They said they are basing it upon the dispacher recordings and the information gathered from the signal itself (it records the signal’s status when trains go by).


173 posted on 09/13/2008 2:28:35 PM PDT by ZGuy
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To: DoughtyOne

I thought it was spin the first I heard of it on the car radio. Simply, because there was no reason to make a pronouncement like that today.


174 posted on 09/13/2008 2:40:09 PM PDT by BurbankKarl
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To: ZGuy

Thanks ZGuy. That sounds reasonable.


175 posted on 09/13/2008 2:48:52 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (McCain, the Ipecac President.)
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To: BurbankKarl

ZGuy provided the probable source of that determination. It made sense.

Right now I’d rather see the victims and their families be the focus. It’s not going to help them to hear this was a human failure right now, so I agree with you.


176 posted on 09/13/2008 2:50:47 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (McCain, the Ipecac President.)
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To: DoughtyOne
LATIMES: METROLINK CRASH PROMPTS A RUSH OF BLOOD DONORS With nearly 100 people badly injured, the UCLA Blood and Platelet Center is filled with people seeking to help by giving of themselves. 'It's all you can do when you feel helpless,' one donor says.
177 posted on 09/13/2008 2:54:02 PM PDT by BurbankKarl
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To: BurbankKarl

They can’t just blame the engineer. The conductor must call aloud every signal and ensure the engineer knows and follows the indication.


178 posted on 09/13/2008 2:57:57 PM PDT by balk (thefightnetwork.com)
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To: balk

That would seem to be a very hard thing to accomplish on a busy Metrolink train, for the Conductors.


179 posted on 09/13/2008 3:00:17 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (McCain, the Ipecac President.)
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To: nw_arizona_granny

You pinged to me a thread I pinged you to at post #16. ;-)

Trying to get caught up on the thread now.


180 posted on 09/13/2008 3:01:12 PM PDT by Velveeta
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To: BurbankKarl

I would like to donate, but they don’t want my blood. Isn’t that the ultimate slap in the face? ;-)


181 posted on 09/13/2008 3:01:22 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (McCain, the Ipecac President.)
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To: BurbankKarl

Press conference now, mayor, LAFD, LAPD. Terminated rescue/recovery operation at 2:30. Deceased at the scene 24; others may have died at hospitals. Will turn the scene over to the NTSB later this afternoon.


182 posted on 09/13/2008 3:02:30 PM PDT by CedarDave (Sign at Albuquerque rally: "Sarah, you had us at 'Hello'")
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To: Hi Heels

Heartfelt prayers.


183 posted on 09/13/2008 3:02:33 PM PDT by Velveeta
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To: balk

That’s what’s bothering me. Two minutes prior to the accident the train was stopped in Chatsworth picking up passengers. They don’t leave until the conductor gives the OK. Question - Does the conductor talk to dispatch to get the OK to proceed? If so, what did the dispatcher say (or not say)?


184 posted on 09/13/2008 3:05:10 PM PDT by ZGuy
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To: hole_n_one

To the right of this picture, there is a row of homes, a short cul-de-sac and then 2 larger parcels, which are horse boarding ranches. The further ranch is about 600 feet from the tracks you see here.
I boarded 4 horses there before I moved in 1993 to N California. I rode across those tracks hundreds of times, going in and out of the ranch into the hills and up onto Oat Mountain trails.
This is a big mess. If riders hadn’t held the line for years to keep trails along the train tracks open, the FD and PD would have no place to work from.
My former Veternarian was in the area and came and volunteered with bandages, supplies and her vet assistant. Fireman wanted to know if she knew anything about broken bones. I am surprised she didn’t deck him. She has been a large animal vet for over 20 years.


185 posted on 09/13/2008 3:09:34 PM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: LoneRangerMassachusetts

Both


186 posted on 09/13/2008 3:10:25 PM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: DoughtyOne
The conductor is equally responsible for ensuring signal indication is understood and complied with.

From the General Code of Operating Rules (applies to all Class A Railroads):

http://www.sdrm.org/faqs/rulebook/signals.html#5.0

5.16 Observe and Call Signals

Crew members in the engine control compartment must be alert for signals. As soon as signals become visible or audible, crew members must communicate clearly to each other the name or aspect of signals affecting their train. They must continue to observe signals and announce any change of aspect until the train passes the signal.

If the signal is not complied with promptly, other crew members must remind the engineer and/or conductor of the rule requirement. If the crew members receive no response or if the engineer is unable to respond, they must immediately take action to ensure safety, using the emergency brake valve to stop the train, if necessary.

187 posted on 09/13/2008 3:11:52 PM PDT by balk (thefightnetwork.com)
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To: ZGuy

Mayor says “Thank you” and turns to leave. Some aide says what about Spanish and he returns to the microphone and asks if we have Spanish cameras present. Apparently so as he’s now speaking to them in Spanish.


188 posted on 09/13/2008 3:12:01 PM PDT by CedarDave (Sign at Albuquerque rally: "Sarah, you had us at 'Hello'")
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To: CedarDave

horse veterinarian went into treat patients”

DVM Marta Granstad from Simi.
Great vet. Used to be my vet before I moved out of the area.

She has appeared a few times on Animal Rescue when a horse has gotten trapped in the hills in the same area. One segment they have shown a couple of times that I have seen. The guy who rides the USC Traveler horse helped the rider/horse until LAFD and Marta could arrive and rescue both.


189 posted on 09/13/2008 3:13:14 PM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: CindyDawg
"if it’s so safe why aren’t they sitting here"

Cuz its no fun not seeing where you're going.

190 posted on 09/13/2008 3:16:50 PM PDT by editor-surveyor ( If Obama had Palin's resume and experience Obama would be qualified to be VP too.)
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To: Hi Heels
",i>Can't imagine anyone traveling from Ventura for work clear down in the SFV, but you never know."

My Bro in law frequently commutes from Santa Barbara to the Disney plant. I wouldn't do it.

191 posted on 09/13/2008 3:20:24 PM PDT by editor-surveyor ( If Obama had Palin's resume and experience Obama would be qualified to be VP too.)
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To: ZGuy
According to the rules, the final arbitor of clearance is the signal indicator itself.

Even if an RTC tells the crew to proceed from a station, the crew must stop for a red (we don't really know if it was red or not, pending investigation).

Intermediate block signals are automatic and will remain red if the upcoming block is occupied. The RTC has no direct control over it.

The commuter train has next to no tonnage - could have stopped on a dime.

I feel real bad for the crew. They had a bad day. People make mistakes or miss things.

But they can't just blame the engineer.

Just as in the Navy, the captain is relieved of duty if the ship runs aground. Perhaps it was a sub-ordinate’s mistake, but it's his job to double check everything.

192 posted on 09/13/2008 3:24:38 PM PDT by balk (thefightnetwork.com)
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To: My Favorite Headache

Prayers for the victims and their families.


193 posted on 09/13/2008 3:27:07 PM PDT by mysterio
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To: balk

I don’t dispute your assertion. What I do recognize is that there are times when these cars are filled to capacity and beyond, standing room only. With all the noise and ticket distractions, I don’t see how the Conductors could possibly comply with this requirement.


194 posted on 09/13/2008 3:38:30 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (McCain, the Ipecac President.)
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To: DoughtyOne

Sorry, isn’t there a conductor in the cab with the engineer? Perhaps these are solo operations? (Yikes)


195 posted on 09/13/2008 3:46:18 PM PDT by balk (thefightnetwork.com)
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To: balk

I’m not well enough informed to clarify that issue. That whole freight train only had two men on board at the time of the accident. Both died.

I’m not sure of the crew on the Metrolink. Perhaps someone can explain that to us. I wouldn’t be surprised if there was only one Conductor on board, but there may have been several.

Whether one rides in the cab or not, I wouldn’t know either.


196 posted on 09/13/2008 3:51:04 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (McCain, the Ipecac President.)
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To: DoughtyOne

BTW, the conductor on the freight train was not in the cab with the engineer. I believe he was a few cars back.


197 posted on 09/13/2008 3:52:03 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (McCain, the Ipecac President.)
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To: DoughtyOne

The engineer was in car 3. The train was about half full. It’s a relaxing ride with most people taking naps typically.


198 posted on 09/13/2008 4:26:47 PM PDT by ZGuy
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To: DoughtyOne

I am very sorry. I hope his breaks can fully heal and that he will be walking again soonest. Did he sustain any other injuries?

I felt sick to my stomach this morning to hear that this was all due to human error. We all can make mistakes on the job, but this one was unforgivable.


199 posted on 09/13/2008 4:42:43 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: All

Remarkable set of photos:

http://gallery.venturacountystar.com/slideShows/index.cfm?ssID=643&listPos=01

There’s an angel in the 12th one.


200 posted on 09/13/2008 4:46:33 PM PDT by ArmstedFragg
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