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Major Train Derailment Metro Link In California
Fox/AP

Posted on 09/12/2008 4:48:21 PM PDT by My Favorite Headache

Metro Link train in flames...dozens of ambulances en-route to the scene...


TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: chatsworth; lacatrain; losangeles; metrolink; rail; train; trainwreck; transportation; wot
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To: DoughtyOne
"Whether one rides in the cab or not, I wouldn’t know either."

All diesel-electric locomotives require an operator with constant pressure on the "deadman" (great choice of words, huh?) pedal.

201 posted on 09/13/2008 4:48:02 PM PDT by editor-surveyor ( If Obama had Palin's resume and experience Obama would be qualified to be VP too.)
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To: ZGuy

He wasn’t in the engine? I had thought he didn’t survive. I thought he was in the engine at the time of the crash.


202 posted on 09/13/2008 4:48:37 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (McCain, the Ipecac President.)
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To: ZGuy

BTW, perhaps you meant the Conductor, who was in car 3.


203 posted on 09/13/2008 4:49:11 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (McCain, the Ipecac President.)
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To: balk

So I’ll ask the question I don’t want to ask. Based upon historical precedent, are we looking at Bob (the conductor) spending the rest of his life in prison for 30 or so counts of manslaughter?


204 posted on 09/13/2008 4:51:41 PM PDT by ZGuy
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To: Yaelle

The E.R. contact seemed to think he was going to be okay. Like I said, he was awake and talking to his parents. I’m not in contact, so I don’t know if he had other injuries. If so, they must have been manageable.

I agree this was a major mistake. What a sad situation...

For all we know, the engineer may have had some medical problem too prior to the accident though.


205 posted on 09/13/2008 4:52:01 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (McCain, the Ipecac President.)
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To: Yaelle

Thanks for your concern.


206 posted on 09/13/2008 4:52:17 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (McCain, the Ipecac President.)
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To: DoughtyOne

Yes. Thanks for the correction.


207 posted on 09/13/2008 4:52:56 PM PDT by ZGuy
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To: editor-surveyor

That’s a good point. Thank you.

It would be interesting to know if there are any exceptions to that. I would hope not.


208 posted on 09/13/2008 4:53:53 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (McCain, the Ipecac President.)
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To: ZGuy

No problem at all. Thanks for the response. I was just trying to make sure I understood things correctly.


209 posted on 09/13/2008 4:54:50 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (McCain, the Ipecac President.)
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To: ridesthemiles
Both

One would expect a derailment after a 30 mph head on collision. So parenthetically putting that in the title is uninformative.

The chances of a derailment and a collision independently at the same time is statistically extremely unlikely. That would be newsworthy.

So which is it?

210 posted on 09/13/2008 5:00:21 PM PDT by LoneRangerMassachusetts
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To: DoughtyOne

I have not seen more than one working conductor when I rode the train. I have seen more than one on a train going back to a certain station.


211 posted on 09/13/2008 5:34:00 PM PDT by ThomasThomas (Real change actually changes something.)
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To: LoneRangerMassachusetts

It’s all over the news. And there’s plenty of details in this thread. Are you actually unaware of the situation, therefore honestly confused by the title, or are you looking to pick a fight?


212 posted on 09/13/2008 6:55:45 PM PDT by freepersup (find the enemy... destroy the enemy... remain vigilant)
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To: CedarDave

A 25th fatality is now being reported by the hospital responsible for treating this casualty.

Two female casualties (fatal) remain unidentified at this time.


213 posted on 09/13/2008 7:10:04 PM PDT by freepersup (find the enemy... destroy the enemy... remain vigilant)
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To: freepersup
It’s all over the news. And there’s plenty of details in this thread. Are you actually unaware of the situation, therefore honestly confused by the title, or are you looking to pick a fight?

From what I read, it's a collision. The title is confusing, unless I missed something in the story. Is it too hard to simple have answered it's one or the other of the two scenarios I offered?

214 posted on 09/13/2008 7:13:25 PM PDT by LoneRangerMassachusetts
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To: LoneRangerMassachusetts

You know what the facts are pertaining to this terrible tragedy. You don’t need a perfectly composed title, to tell you what happened in LA. Did you see the pictures? Did you see the violent collision? Did you see the derailed cars? Did you figure out what happened? I’ve caught you stirring trouble. Now you are insulting my intelligence. Out of respect for others on this thread, I’m not going to answer you further on this board.


215 posted on 09/13/2008 7:34:44 PM PDT by freepersup (find the enemy... destroy the enemy... remain vigilant)
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To: freepersup

Per KCAL 9, a group of teen train junkies, had made friends with the Metro engineer. They often video’d and talked to the engineer, even having his cell number. At 4:20 one of the teens recieved a text message from the engineer giving him an update on the trains schedule. The kid sent a short text back. The crash happened at 4:22.


216 posted on 09/13/2008 9:15:19 PM PDT by umgud
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To: ZGuy

As long as he wasn’t in the cab. Sounds like the engineer is solo on the commuter trains - single point of failure.


217 posted on 09/13/2008 9:36:32 PM PDT by balk (thefightnetwork.com)
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To: ThomasThomas

Thanks for your observation Thomas. That had been my perception, but I didn’t want to voice it without anything much to base it on.


218 posted on 09/13/2008 10:04:16 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (McCain, the Ipecac President.)
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To: umgud
It will be an extremely pitiful moment in history, if it's proven that texting by the conductor, led to his inattention and negligence, resulting in the collision and subsequent loss of life and limb. Whoever texted the conductor ought to have a restless night of sleep. I have to get some sleep now.
219 posted on 09/14/2008 1:56:26 AM PDT by freepersup (find the enemy... destroy the enemy... remain vigilant)
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To: freepersup

E-N-G-I-N-E-E-R

not the conductor


220 posted on 09/14/2008 11:22:50 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (McCain, the Ipecac President.)
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To: DoughtyOne

You know, it’s the weirdest thing when you are watching a disaster of this magnitude unfold. I was there for all the California earthquakes back to 1960 something, and I saw people pull together and help one another, and this was no exception. We had three neighbors involved in this accident this time. The one I mentioned lost the mother of the family. A dysfunctional family on every front, the daughter left the night her mother died and went to a show in Hollywood. She had a date. Her dad and brother were in Hawaii. They saw no reason to leave early. So they didn’t come in until today. Another neighbor’s dad was suppose to be on the train. He missed it. His family were so grateful that his meeting ran over. Another family in the neighborhood expected the dad to take the train. He changed his mind before he left that morning and took his car. We didn’t know where he was until he drove up. No one thought to look in the garage. Church today with him was a celebration. You just never know. I was thinking all day yesterday if I was on that train and died, would my daughter cancel a date. Until she walked in the door at church this morning when I knew she had other plans today. I wish I had reached out to that family. Maybe it would have been different for that poor woman on the train. Maybe her and her daughter would have been in Hawaii.


221 posted on 09/15/2008 12:04:47 AM PDT by Hi Heels (Now here at the Rock we have two rules. Rule #1 obey all rules. Rule #2 no writing on the walls...)
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To: Hi Heels

People make their own beds. Please don’t grind over what you may or may not have been able to accomplish.

That man, his son, and his daughter will be the ones grinding over this some day.

Sounds like a mess.

I’d be more respectful of my first wife than that, even now.

People can both shock and amaze you. Many private individuals jumped in and helped with the early rescue efforts. Some brought out their own supplies to help.

The bad ones shock you and the good ones bring tears to your eyes.

Thank you for mentioning your observations. Some of them were very heartwarming.


222 posted on 09/15/2008 12:36:34 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (McCain, the Ipecac President. Obama the strychnine president. Thier effect on us...)
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To: My Favorite Headache
Another great service provided by the State of California. These clowns are so busy stealing from the States Coffers (taxpayer) they ignore something of this magnitude could possibly happen. Heads should roll.
223 posted on 09/15/2008 10:13:09 AM PDT by PEACE ENFORCER (One Needs to Have the Capability of Using Deadly Force at Any Moment.....:))
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To: DoughtyOne

http://dailynews.mycapture.com/mycapture/enlarge.asp?image=20399560&event=593720&CategoryID=26369


224 posted on 09/15/2008 12:13:44 PM PDT by BurbankKarl
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To: BurbankKarl

Thank you. I made a copy.


225 posted on 09/15/2008 12:18:30 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (McCain, the Ipecac President. Obama the strychnine president. Thier effect on us...)
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To: BurbankKarl

Brian Buss, 31, of Westlake Village was among those at the Chatsworth train station who signed a get-well card for Bob Hildebrand, the conductor in the rear car of Metrolink 111. Hildebrand was hurt in the crash.

226 posted on 09/15/2008 12:27:46 PM PDT by BurbankKarl
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To: BurbankKarl

Dig up that switch!

227 posted on 09/15/2008 1:38:21 PM PDT by BurbankKarl
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