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Minnesota Poll: Obama, McCain are dead even in state (13 point Palin bounce)
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Posted on 09/13/2008 10:13:22 PM PDT by Chet 99

Minnesota Poll: Obama, McCain are dead even in state

By BOB VON STERNBERG, Star Tribune

September 13, 2008

Minnesota has become a battleground in a presidential campaign that has dramatically tightened nationwide.

A new Star Tribune Minnesota Poll shows that the race is now a dead heat between Barack Obama and John McCain, each supported by 45 percent of likely voters in the state.

The new poll likely will stoke both sides' efforts during the final 51 days until the election, triggering a barrage of advertising, grass-roots politicking and, potentially, stepped-up visits by the candidates.

The poll found that McCain has made gains across the board since a May Minnesota Poll that showed him trailing by 13 points. He has picked up considerable support among men and to a lesser degree among women. He also has boosted his standing with whites, young voters and all levels of household income and education.

(Excerpt) Read more at startribune.com ...


TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: Minnesota
KEYWORDS: 2008polls; electionpresident; elections; mccainpalin; mn2008
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To: maccaca
Can’t believe it is really TIED in MN!!!

i find this all very hopeful... on the other hand, i find it irritating... every election cycle, i get my hopes up that one of these blue states is going to turn red... it always seems like that according to the polls... then election day comes and it doesn't happen... not even close... is it really tied? should McCain spend resources there? or will it be wasted money and time? i want the polls to show him up over the margin of error in these "purple" states... then i'll be hopeful...

sorry i'm being negative... i hate negative attitudes and try not to be that way...

51 posted on 09/13/2008 10:53:26 PM PDT by latina4dubya (self-proclaimed tequila snob)
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To: ConservativeMan55

There are a lot of young families in CO who have moved in from Calif.


52 posted on 09/13/2008 10:54:47 PM PDT by flyfree (Biden is no Palin and Obama is no McCain)
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To: Chet 99

I caution us not to fall into the foolish trap that the dems fell in around the Messiah’s European diaster. We should act as though we need to pick up must wins (which is true). Over confidence this year has never worked well for anyone.


53 posted on 09/13/2008 10:55:15 PM PDT by toddausauras
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To: Owen

My thought too and the even mention increase ad buys in the article.


54 posted on 09/13/2008 11:02:50 PM PDT by JLS (Do you really want changec being two guys from the majority of Congress with a 9% approval rating?)
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To: HamiltonJay
"Exactly, Fauxbama should have this state locked up.. if this state is tied, or the dem is only polling at a slight lead here, come election night, you are looking at a full scale route of the democrats, not just a republican victory for the white house"

More dims heads exploding.

55 posted on 09/13/2008 11:03:14 PM PDT by spokeshave (Obama wants to kill babies and raise taxes, Sarah wants to raise babies and kill taxes (also moose))
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To: vwatto

If this RedStar/Minnesota poll has them tied, Mac might be up.

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Might?? McCain is up a minimum of 4% in Minnesota from the Bradley effect alone. There is no good news for Obama in ANY poll lately, his moose is cooked.


56 posted on 09/13/2008 11:06:32 PM PDT by word_warrior_bob (You can now see my amazing doggie and new puppy on my homepage!! Come say hello to Jake & Sonny)
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To: Chet 99

Hockey moms!


57 posted on 09/13/2008 11:09:56 PM PDT by TheWasteLand
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To: latina4dubya

Not even close???? Bush lost WI in 2004 by 11,384 votes out of almost 3,000,000 cast. The PA margin was about the same as OH in 2004.


58 posted on 09/13/2008 11:12:05 PM PDT by JLS (Do you really want changec being two guys from the majority of Congress with a 9% approval rating?)
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To: toddausauras

I really don’t think we’re being overconfident. I’m not staying home on election day, I think very few here are going to depend on our neighbors to vote for us. But it looks like our neighbors are fired up too this year.

Republicans winning the womens vote throws the whole DEM strategy into utter chaos (as we’re seeing) because they have ZERO SHOT at winning the male vote.

2008, The Palin Landslide. The whole election swung on the VP picks, it’s like we got to choose BOTH VP candidates, Biden? Joe Biden??? (chuckles)


59 posted on 09/13/2008 11:15:24 PM PDT by word_warrior_bob (You can now see my amazing doggie and new puppy on my homepage!! Come say hello to Jake & Sonny)
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To: latina4dubya

That’s because blue-states are corrupt and the Rats use their power once they have it to break all the rules. Kerry won Wisconsin by 12000 votes out of 3 million in 2004. How many people drove over from St. Paul and Minneapolis to vote there, how many Chicago residents took a short drive up? The midwest is corrupted by the Rats.


60 posted on 09/13/2008 11:16:09 PM PDT by DiogenesLaertius (Lets Act like True Conservatives Here)
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To: Chet 99

There is also a new poll out of NM that has McCain in the lead. McCain may win by a lot.


61 posted on 09/13/2008 11:19:22 PM PDT by John Robie
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To: Chet 99
Geez, I wish this was about Illinois instead!


62 posted on 09/13/2008 11:27:30 PM PDT by BlessedBeGod (John McCain and Sarah Palin: Reform, Prosperity, and Peace)
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To: Chet 99

I don’t like push polls, but it would be soooooo funny if a pollster asked
“Who do you think is more qualified, Palin, or Obama?” and then a possible followup as “OK, thank you. Now between Obama and McCain?”


63 posted on 09/13/2008 11:37:27 PM PDT by TennesseeProfessor
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To: word_warrior_bob

Palin is more exciting than Bush-Cheney and Obama is scarier than either Gore or Kerry


64 posted on 09/13/2008 11:42:34 PM PDT by ari-freedom (We never hide from history. We make history!)
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To: ari-freedom

Good observation there.

Any way you slice it, every angle, it has become a perfect storm and I give Obama a less than 1% chance to win this election. He needs a miracle and I don’t believe he’s the Messiah.


65 posted on 09/13/2008 11:47:24 PM PDT by word_warrior_bob (You can now see my amazing doggie and new puppy on my homepage!! Come say hello to Jake & Sonny)
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To: Chet 99
Okay, this can't be true. Minnesota??? No freakin' way, this is too good to be true. The same state that just voted in Al Franken? He should be up by high double digits. Next I'm going to hear that he's closing the gap in Massachusetts, which is impossible.
66 posted on 09/13/2008 11:56:13 PM PDT by softwarecreator
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To: linton59
SENATOR BIDEN......” FOUR MORE YEARS OF FAILED CARTER POLICIES”

I'd say Carter Policies times 2, plus his 'alleged' terrorist buddies and again, 'alleged' muslim background. This guy will make us look back fondly at the 70's.

67 posted on 09/13/2008 11:59:35 PM PDT by softwarecreator
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To: rdl6989
The lightworker Soetoro will win every single vote

Yeah, amongst the living and the living-impaired.

68 posted on 09/14/2008 12:01:56 AM PDT by softwarecreator
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To: Chet 99

Just like Washington State. Good News just keeps coming!!!!


69 posted on 09/14/2008 12:08:42 AM PDT by taxesareforever (Quick justice for the senseless killing of Marine Lance Cpl. Robert Crutchfield.)
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To: latina4dubya
as i said, i want the polls to show him up over the margin of error in these "purple" states... then i'll be hopeful...

i hope it really happens this time... so close--and yet, no electoral votes...

70 posted on 09/14/2008 12:16:19 AM PDT by latina4dubya (self-proclaimed tequila snob)
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To: latina4dubya
sorry i'm being negative... i hate negative attitudes and try not to be that way...

Would you confess, "sorry I'm being realistic... I hate realistic attitudes and try not to be that way..."

One could equally say, "sorry I'm being a booster... I hate boosterism and try not to be that way..."

I think the test for publishing on free Republic should be, can we defend what we say? not whether we are politically correct.

Sorry I'm being preachy... I hate preachiness and try not to be that way...

71 posted on 09/14/2008 12:18:23 AM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: All
I bet this baby gets a lot of air time in the next 50 days or so...

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72 posted on 09/14/2008 12:19:21 AM PDT by Doofer (Carl Cameron Is A Weasel)
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To: nathanbedford
Would you confess, "sorry I'm being realistic... I hate realistic attitudes and try not to be that way..." One could equally say, "sorry I'm being a booster... I hate boosterism and try not to be that way..."

no, because i don't hate being realistic... nor do i hate being an encourager... but being negative, yes--i must apologize for that... i hate being negative... especially because i cannot back up what i'm feeling... what i'm expressing is just a feeling... i have nothing to back up my negative feelings... therefore, i'm sorry... i hate having a negative attitude and try not to be that way...

i hate your preachiness too... and i don't believe you are really sorry for your preachiness toward me... in fact, i believe you like being preachy... i don't find it helpful in this case... nor do i find your "test for publishing on Free Republic" helpful... if i were claiming fact in a situation, then yes--i ought to back it up... but i am sharing a "feeling... a dreadful feeling" in my opinion, and not only will i not back it up, i simply cannot... which is why i must apologize for my negativity... it's my own feeling... again, sorry i'm being negative... i hate negative attitudes and try not to have one...

73 posted on 09/14/2008 12:31:18 AM PDT by latina4dubya (self-proclaimed tequila snob)
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To: Chet 99

I’m guessing the commie libs vandalizing downtown St. Paul didn’t help 0bama either.


74 posted on 09/14/2008 12:51:30 AM PDT by Thane_Banquo (You can put lipstick on a donkey, but it's still just a jackass.)
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To: goldstategop

Minnesota and Wisconsin vote for McCain/Palin 2008!?

Must be about hunting moose, eh?


75 posted on 09/14/2008 1:13:57 AM PDT by SatinDoll (Desperately desiring a conservative government.)
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To: Darren McCarty

Wisconsin never runs out of Democrat voters on election day.


76 posted on 09/14/2008 1:39:38 AM PDT by Luke21
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To: latina4dubya
Of course I like being preachy-I just don't like being found out when I'm doing it because that makes people defensive and resistant to what I am preaching. I post to persuade people, why do you post? I am not discussing the weather here.

I read posts to gain information. Sometimes it is wonderfully valuable information, sometimes it is really insightful. Sometimes the best it can be taken from it is an understanding that that is how other people think and therefore it might provide clues about how they can be persuaded to my point of view.

If we conservatives are censored by Nancy Pelosi because she has silenced talk radio or she somehow contrives to shut down the Internet, we would all be outraged. But if we do it to ourselves by shouting, "zot" or enforcing a kind of reverse political correctness for insufficient cheerleading, we smugly congratulate ourselves as the whole grand purpose of FreeRepublic is compromised.

Too often on these threads we hear and see people being shouted down because they are insufficiently optimistic (which really means insufficiently doctrinaire) about conservative election chances. If it is our opinion, we should not be intimidated from putting it out there. Let the optimists prove that it is too negative.

We get much the same noise when someone says, "I heard on Olbermann" and 10 posters immediately assault the author for watching Olbermann. What the hell business is it of the theirs what one of our fellow posters watches? Are we afraid of Olbermann?

Please accept my assurances that there is nothing personal in any of my remarks.

I better end the sermon lest you wake up to the fact that I am being preachy.


77 posted on 09/14/2008 2:44:49 AM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: nathanbedford
If history repeats itself, all of these polls showing McCain with a lead now will, miracle of miracles, come up with a huge Obama rally in their final polls before the election.

And then McCain will win.

I'll never forget (I was young, naive and very disheartened) when the last Gallup poll before the 1980 election showed Jimmy Carter had, at long last, "caught" Ronald Reagan.

And it wasn't even close.

78 posted on 09/14/2008 3:07:36 AM PDT by daler
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To: daler
I have it from a very high source in the organization that in 1948 Gallup actually had the numbers right, they had Truman beating Dewey, but they could not believe their own data and so inverted it. That source says that Gallup never did anything like that again, having learned its lesson.

I did not represent that that is the truth, only that I have truthfully recited it.


79 posted on 09/14/2008 3:20:50 AM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: Chet 99

Holy Cow.


80 posted on 09/14/2008 3:34:30 AM PDT by LS ("Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually." (Hendrix))
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To: hosepipe
Yeah, it's starting to look like people have seen all they need about the Messiah.

I shrugged off a poll showing McCain ahead in MI, and I dismissed a couple showing him close or ahead in PA. But when you start to see EVERY poll putting him even in the blue states, then you have to think something is up.

I'll breathe a little easier when I see two consecutive CO polls showing McCain ahead.

81 posted on 09/14/2008 3:38:30 AM PDT by LS ("Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually." (Hendrix))
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To: nathanbedford

Actually, Gallup tinkered with its final 2004 number. They assigned all undecided to Kerry rather than split it evenly (which would have resulted in them nailing the result).


82 posted on 09/14/2008 3:38:44 AM PDT by Chet 99 (http://www.mccainpalinvictory2008.com/)
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To: Paleo Conservative

True. I’m skeptical, but of all Republicans, McCain is probably best poised to shift MN. Duncan Hunter would be down here by 50 points.


83 posted on 09/14/2008 3:39:48 AM PDT by LS ("Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually." (Hendrix))
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To: Chet 99
I was told this before 2004. Maybe they have gone back to their old habits.


84 posted on 09/14/2008 3:51:45 AM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: Darren McCarty

Germans and Scandinavians have a history of leaning toward collectivism.


85 posted on 09/14/2008 3:52:54 AM PDT by Finalapproach29er (Democrats still want to Impeach Pres. Bush and/or VP Cheney; keep your eye on these House hearings.)
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To: John Robie

Seven weeks is a long time in politics.

Don’t pop the corks yet!

Biden might quit within a week to clear the way for hillary.


86 posted on 09/14/2008 3:56:13 AM PDT by Finalapproach29er (Democrats still want to Impeach Pres. Bush and/or VP Cheney; keep your eye on these House hearings.)
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To: LS; MplsSteve

Minnesotans can blow with the wind. Moderately Blue, give them a motivation and they’ll (I live here for 47 years...) go with it.

Sarah is that motivation and in talking with A LOT of people here, Sarah (and John...) will get most of their swing vote.


87 posted on 09/14/2008 3:59:42 AM PDT by LiveFreeOrDie2001 (Palin Power !!)
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To: Finalapproach29er

True, hillary may get in out of desperation.......

BUT - hillary does not resonate well with Minnesotans.


88 posted on 09/14/2008 4:01:19 AM PDT by LiveFreeOrDie2001 (Palin Power !!)
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To: Chet 99

Thanks for postig this!!


89 posted on 09/14/2008 4:07:55 AM PDT by syriacus (Calling humans "pigs" is second-nature for anti-war radicals, Black Panthers + radical Islamists.)
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To: Chet 99

90 posted on 09/14/2008 4:24:36 AM PDT by The G Man (The NY Times did "great harm to the United States" - President George W. Bush 6/26/06)
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To: Finalapproach29er

Another case of Hillaryphobia.


91 posted on 09/14/2008 4:25:13 AM PDT by fortheDeclaration ('we don't make compromises-we make Marines')
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To: LS
True. I’m skeptical, but of all Republicans, McCain is probably best poised to shift MN. Duncan Hunter would be down here by 50 points.

The interesting part of the McCain / Palin dynamic is that she's actually providing him a mix of benefits, while freeing him up to be himself.

She brings firepower, attracts all incoming fire without taking a scratch, and actually continues to pull in voters from right and center without paradox. Right wingers and centerists are comfortable with her. Left wingers and the media can't seem to lay a hand on her, despite the full court press. And she's dropped some stunning jabs with a smile.

But crafty McCain is keeping his eye on the ball. He's remaining centered, reasonable, and, gosh, Presidential. Rising above the fray like it's not even there. He's free to seek out the center in places like Minnesota or other blue strongholds. Why not? All pretenses aside, he's not McBush, and few people really believe he is. So if he keeps his hands clean and sounds like a level headed, reasonable guy, moderates will be very comfortable with him.

It's like watching the pleasent old tortise ambling to the finish line, while the two hares wear each other out, and the other tortise wanders off in the wrong direction, lecturing and gaffe-ing his way into the sunset.

92 posted on 09/14/2008 4:30:15 AM PDT by Steel Wolf ("We have your test results, Mr Obama. You have ...Sarahnoia. 2 months, tops, and you're a goner....")
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To: Chet 99

A Palin appearance and rally at the Hockey Hall of Fame in Eveleth could break the 8th District wide open where the DFL normally polls 70%. The people there are much more attuned to hockey and steel workers and the military than they are to slick city neighborhood organizers. MN is definitely in play, and the Dims are in deep trouble here.


93 posted on 09/14/2008 4:48:09 AM PDT by Reo
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To: Chet 99
Real Clear Politics has now moved Minnesota into the "Toss Up" camp. Updated Electoral vote tallies are now McCain 227, Obama 207.


94 posted on 09/14/2008 5:02:18 AM PDT by The G Man (The NY Times did "great harm to the United States" - President George W. Bush 6/26/06)
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To: goldstategop
"Among likely voters, yes! If Minnesota turns Red, I think Wisconsin will follow suit."

Has to. Michigan too.

95 posted on 09/14/2008 5:31:12 AM PDT by StAnDeliver ("Please welcome the 45th President of these United States - Sarah Palin!")
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To: Brytani
"I always figured if the American public got to see the “true” democratic party, the majority would be highly turned off."

Well put.

96 posted on 09/14/2008 5:39:01 AM PDT by StAnDeliver ("Please welcome the 45th President of these United States - Sarah Palin!")
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To: Steel Wolf

Yeah, good article the other day called him the “ugly frog” on whom nothing sticks.


97 posted on 09/14/2008 5:41:06 AM PDT by LS ("Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually." (Hendrix))
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To: flyfree

Colorado has one of the highest densities of illegals from Mexico. I can see the libs out there buying truckloads of Corona and passing it out to the illegals to make attenmpts at voting.


98 posted on 09/14/2008 5:42:48 AM PDT by patrick10801
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To: nathanbedford
"that Gallup never did anything like that again, having learned its lesson."

Certainly President Kerry appreciated their winning call in 2004...

CNN/USA/Gallup(1573 LV)* 10/29/04 - 10/31/04 49% 49% 1%

99 posted on 09/14/2008 5:47:19 AM PDT by StAnDeliver ("Please welcome the 45th President of these United States - Sarah Palin!")
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To: DiogenesLaertius

Exactly Diogenes. We need to make a strong effort against union thug voter fraud if we see the need to in mid-October, depending on how far ahead McCain is in some of these states and if he needs them. Most democrats have only ever won elections because of voter fraud, going back to Kennedy. Maybe you would want to cut off a finger after they vote in these states...;)


100 posted on 09/14/2008 5:48:42 AM PDT by patrick10801
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