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McCain Responds to Obama's Reported Undermining of the Commander-In-Chief During Wartime
National Review Online ^ | September 15, 2008 | Andy McCarthy

Posted on 09/15/2008 5:01:12 PM PDT by Roscoe Karns

McCain Responds to Obama's Reported Undermining of the Commander-In-Chief During Wartime [Andy McCarthy]

The McCain Campaign has issued a statement responding to the report from Amer Taheri (see today's web briefing) that Sen. Obama secretly negotiated with the Iraqi government regarding U.S. withdrawal from Iraq. McCain spokesman Randy Scheunemann stated as follows:

At this point, it is not yet clear what official American negotiations Senator Obama tried to undermine with Iraqi leaders, but the possibility of such actions is unprecedented. It should be concerning to all that he reportedly urged that the democratically-elected Iraqi government listen to him rather than the US administration in power. If news reports are accurate, this is an egregious act of political interference by a presidential candidate seeking political advantage overseas. Senator Obama needs to reveal what he said to Iraq's Foreign Minister during their closed door meeting. The charge that he sought to delay the withdrawal of Americans from Iraq raises serious questions about Senator Obama's judgment and it demands an explanation.


TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: amertaheri; egregious; electionpresident; foreignpolicy; interference; iraq; mccainpalin; obama; obamabiden; obamagate; obamasbigadventure; obamatruthfile; response; treason
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To: Roscoe Karns

Good. I’m glad to see they’re not letting this slide. They’ve tempered their comments nicely, not sounding accusatory but demanding an explanation.

KEEP UP THE HEAT!


301 posted on 09/16/2008 4:00:35 AM PDT by SueRae
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To: Roscoe Karns

I hope McCain and the rest of us keep pushing this until these questions are answered.


302 posted on 09/16/2008 4:10:53 AM PDT by j_k_l
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To: MeekOneGOP

LOL. “Nip me in the bud.” - Perfect.


303 posted on 09/16/2008 4:18:52 AM PDT by Girlene
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To: 668 - Neighbor of the Beast

Yup, just saw John on Fox and Friends, he wasn’t asked about this, and he didn’t bring it up.


304 posted on 09/16/2008 4:30:13 AM PDT by RatsDawg (I love Palin :))
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To: atc23
This quote is what makes it believable for me:

"He asked why we were not prepared to delay an agreement until after the US elections and the formation of a new administration in Washington," Zebari said in an interview.

Note the nuanced wordsmithing. Obama can claim he didn't seek a delay, he was just asking why they weren't prepared. As another FR poster said, this is nuanced enough to make even Bill Clinton roll his eyes. If a reporter were making it up, it'd be more direct, IMO.

I think the way he worded things gives him an escape hatch and denial for all the charges against him. He won't escape the American public if this plays out, though.
305 posted on 09/16/2008 4:36:49 AM PDT by GoSarah
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To: Roscoe Karns

Amazing how the Democrats and moveon.org can say horrible things about General David Petraous . . . . and now to find out who the real betrayer is their own the ONE.

I hope and pray their is some audio of this somewhere. Maybe after the Iraqi’s saw Obama on BOR and still not admitting the surge worked and blaming the Iraqi’s they decided to speak out on this.


306 posted on 09/16/2008 4:47:45 AM PDT by Qwackertoo
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To: Roscoe Karns

BTTT


307 posted on 09/16/2008 5:05:45 AM PDT by antisocial (Texas SCV - Deo Vindice)
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To: PhilDragoo

LOL!!


308 posted on 09/16/2008 5:09:44 AM PDT by penelopesire ("The only CHANGE you will get with the Democrats is the CHANGE left in your pocket")
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To: ml/nj
Obama was just trying to make sure he has more "foreign policy" experience than Palin does.

Which is exactly why he and his buffoon squad... should have stayed home. He has no diplomacy experience... therefore should keep his trap shut. Did he think he could go over there and play games.... and that the Iraqi's (ever so grateful) would do anything for an American pol?

309 posted on 09/16/2008 5:16:59 AM PDT by LaineyDee (Don't mess with Texas wimmen!)
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To: Roscoe Karns

It sounds like it could be illegal.


310 posted on 09/16/2008 6:12:32 AM PDT by John Robie
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To: Girlene; Conspiracy Guy

hehehe!

Tanks. :^D

CG’s concept for that pic.


311 posted on 09/16/2008 6:24:49 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP (Obama, WHO is Bill Ayers and WHY are you still friends with him? Please RSVP asap!)
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To: maine-iac7
sarcasm?

Not at all. Did it read as sarcasm?

312 posted on 09/16/2008 6:29:49 AM PDT by Yardstick
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To: softwarecreator
Barrack Obama really is delusional, isn't he? He actually does believes he is the current President!

This loon cannot be Prez, it's as simple as that.


It's not that he thinks that he is the current Pres. but that he thinks he has already won the election and will take the reigns in January.
313 posted on 09/16/2008 6:56:19 AM PDT by Parthalan
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To: Roscoe Karns; Jim Robinson; Enchante; STARWISE; Jeff Head; PhilDragoo

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2083021/posts

TAHERI ARTICLE ON OBAMA INTERFERENCE IN WITHDRAWAL CORROBORATED BY NY TIMES 6/18/08
New York Times ^ | 6/18/2008 | Jeff Zeleny

Posted on Monday, September 15, 2008 2:58:55 PM by johncocktoasten

Edited on Monday, September 15, 2008 4:59:29 PM by Jim Robinson. [history]

FLINT, Mich. – Senator Barack Obama said today he intends to visit Iraq and Afghanistan before the November election.

Mr. Obama, who spoke to the Iraqi foreign minister by telephone this morning, said he was “encouraged” by the reductions in violence in Iraq. But he said the United States still must begin gradually withdrawing troops, at a pace of one to two brigades a month, with a goal of removing most combat troops in 16 months.

“We have no interest in permanent bases in Iraq,” Mr. Obama said. “I gave him an assurance that should we be elected, an Obama administration will make sure that we continue with the progress that’s been made in Iraq – that we won’t act precipitously, but that we will move to end U.S. combat forces in Iraq.”

As Mr. Obama arrived in Michigan for a campaign stop on the economy, he shared details of his morning telephone call with Iraqi Foreign Minister Hoshyar Zebari. On Sunday, Mr. Zebari had a face-to-face meeting with Senator John McCain of Arizona, the presumptive Republican nominee.

Among the issues being discussed with the two presidential candidates is the long-term security accord between Iraq and the United States. While the Bush administration would like to see an agreement reached before the summer’s political conventions, Mr. Obama said today that he opposed such a timetable.

“My concern is that the Bush administration, in a weakened state politically, ends up trying to rush an agreement that in some ways might be binding to the next administration, whether it’s my administration or Senator McCain’s administration,” Mr. Obama said. “The foreign minister agreed that the next administration should not be bound by an agreement that’s currently made.”

Mr. Obama, who has not been to Iraq for more than two years, told the New York Times last month that he intended to visit Iraq. His comments today after talking to Mr. Zebari underscored that desire, saying: “I told him that I look forward to seeing him in Baghdad.”

Late last month, Mr. McCain invited Mr. Obama to embark on a joint trip to Iraq, a gesture that Mr. Obama dismissed as a political stunt. The Republican National Committee started a clock, keeping track of the days it has been since Mr. Obama’s visit in January 2006.

“In the nearly 900 days since Barack Obama visited Iraq, the facts on the ground have changed dramatically – but his ideologically-driven position has not,” said Alex Conant, a Republican spokesman. “When Obama visits Iraq, he’ll see that he was wrong to oppose the surge, wrong to continue to ignore our commanders’ advice and wrong to demand premature withdrawal.”

Today, Mr. Obama did not say specifically when he intended to take his foreign trip.

“You know, we’ll make an announcement about that,” he said. “But as I said, I’m interested in visiting Iraq and Afghanistan before the election.”


314 posted on 09/16/2008 7:02:31 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (I do not want to know the type of person, who does not like Sarah Palin!)
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To: jveritas

Done and done. I bookmarked the page and made available offline.


315 posted on 09/16/2008 7:13:43 AM PDT by autumnraine (McCain/Palin 08)
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To: Roscoe Karns; Jim Robinson; Enchante; PhilDragoo; Jeff Head; backhoe; kcvl; Cindy; nutmeg; ...

We, also, have confirmation from another liberal source of Snobami’s violation of the Logan act in Iraq, MSNBC:

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/06/16/1146192.aspx

Obama to visit Iraq, Afghanistan Posted: Monday, June 16, 2008 1:41 PM by Domenico Montanaro

Filed Under: 2008, Obama
From NBC/NJ’s Athena Jones

Obama said today the campaign would be making an announcement as to when, but he said he he wanted to visit both Iraq and Afghanistan before the election in November.

“I told him that I look forward to seeing him in Baghdad,” Obama said of his conversation with Iraq’s foreign minister, Hoshyar Zebari. “You know, we’ll make an announcement about that [as to when], but as I said, I’m interested in visiting Iraq and Afghanistan before the election.”

VIDEO: A Race for the White House panel debates: Are Americans more patient about progress in Iraq?

Obama spoke briefly (about 10 minutes) with reporters about his telephone conversation with Zebari. He said he was encouraged by the progress made in reducing the violence in Iraq, but believed troops should be withdrawn, and they should do so carefully.

Obama also told Zebari, he said, that Congress should be involved in any negotiations regarding a Status of Forces agreement with Iraq. He suggested it may be better to wait until the next administration to negotiate such an agreement.

Asked by NBC’s Lee Cowan if a timetable for the status of forces agreement was discussed, Obama said, “Well he, the foreign minister, had presented a letter requesting an extension of the UN resolution until the end of this year. So that’s a six-month extension.

“Obviously we can’t have U.S. forces operating on the ground in iraq without some sort of agreemnt, either a further extension of the U.N. resolution or some sort of Status of Forces agreement, some strategic framework agreement. As I said before, my concern is that the Bush administration—in a weakened state politically—ends up trying to rush an agreement that in some ways might be binding to the next administration, whether it was my administration or Sen. McCain’s administration.

“The foreign minister agreed that the next administration should not be bound by an agreement that’s currently made, but I think the only way to assure that is to make sure that there is strong bipartisan support, that Congress is involved, that the American people know the outlines of this agreement, and my concern is that if the Bush administration negotiates, as it currently has, and given that we’re entering into the heat of political season that we’re probably better off not trying to complete a hard and fast agreement before the next administration takes office, but I think obviously these conversations have to continue. As I said my No. 1 priority is making sure that we don’t have a situation in which us troops on the ground are somehow vulnerable to, are made more vulnerable, because there is a lack of a clear mandate.”


316 posted on 09/16/2008 7:19:58 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (I do not want to know the type of person, who does not like Sarah Palin!)
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To: autumnraine

Excellent :)


317 posted on 09/16/2008 7:27:48 AM PDT by jveritas (God Bless President Bush and our brave troops)
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To: Roscoe Karns
This is a sitting US Senator, Where in the hell is the call for an ethics violation? Where is the call for an independent Federal investigator? Where is the hours and hours of intense witness examinations like they attempted to put President Bush through over the firing of five stupid lawyers who were not doing their jobs?
318 posted on 09/16/2008 8:14:10 AM PDT by paratrooper82 (82 Airborne 1/508th BN "fury from the sky")
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To: Roscoe Karns

Please help me here. First, I totally understand interference in negotiations. Second, I don’t understand, though, how interfering in the Status of Forces agreement would delay withdrawal. After research, it seems that the SOFA mainly would outline the legal status of the troops and may identify the particular missions the troops will have. It does not seem to cover force size.

Am I wrong?


319 posted on 09/16/2008 8:16:28 AM PDT by rightthinkingwoman
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To: Grampa Dave
This is a violation of the separation of powers doctrine of the US Constitution, but, hey, what Constitution?
320 posted on 09/16/2008 8:17:37 AM PDT by paratrooper82 (82 Airborne 1/508th BN "fury from the sky")
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To: paratrooper82

Few if any of Snobami’s cult voters believe in the constitution.

If they had their way, he would be king, er, president of the world with no need for an election.


321 posted on 09/16/2008 8:21:39 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (I do not want to know the type of person, who does not like Sarah Palin!)
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To: TheWasteLand

man, McCain isnt boxing with gloves on, is he?

good to hear...keep up the pressure!


322 posted on 09/16/2008 9:03:48 AM PDT by Zeppelin (Keep on FReepin' on...)
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To: Roscoe Karns

Shades of Teddy Kennedy and the Paris Peace Talks with the North Vietnamese. Democrats don’t seem to be able to do Foreign Policy very well, do they?


323 posted on 09/16/2008 9:07:35 AM PDT by SuziQ
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To: DoughtyOne
For a guy who isn’t supposed to know much about the internet, McCain is kicking Obama’s caboose all over the map on you-tube and other video or media productions. Perhaps it’s Obama that doesn’t know as much as he thought about the internet.

I think that the Democrats still -- amazingly -- haven't figured out that McCain's camp is handling this election like a war. They're throwing funny ads at Obama like bombs aimed at lines of communication. As a result, Obama has been off-message for almost a month now.

Next I think we'll start seeing the strategic bombing campaign. This incredibly stupid move by Obama may well be the opportunity they need for the opening salvo ... but the "it's a dangerous world, and McCain's the only one ready for the big leagues" theme will be very effective. I mean look ... he's got Russia, Iran, North Korea, and now this (showing Obama's mendacity).

324 posted on 09/16/2008 9:24:18 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: Roscoe Karns

Word, dude.


325 posted on 09/16/2008 9:28:18 AM PDT by patrick10801
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To: roaddog727
Felony or spectacularly bad judgment on Obama’s part...
326 posted on 09/16/2008 9:30:56 AM PDT by rockthecasbah (He has sounded forth the trumpet that shall never call retreat.)
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To: r9etb

Yes, I think you’ve pretty well summed it up. Obama is in trouble, and I don’t see it getting better from here on out, especially if his team keeps focusing on Palin, a lost cause that has no realistic chance of turning around with these tactics.


327 posted on 09/16/2008 9:52:50 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (McCain, the Ipecac president... Obama the strychnine president...)
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To: rightthinkingwoman

Look up “strategic framework agreement”, not SOFA.

Pay attention to the timeframe of Obama’s actions & then read this:

http://www.iraqupdates.com/p_articles.php/article/32972


328 posted on 09/16/2008 10:01:15 AM PDT by GoLightly
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To: loboinok
But Obama's national security spokeswoman Wendy Morigi said Taheri's article bore "as much resemblance to the truth as a McCain campaign commercial."

In fact, Obama had told the Iraqis that they should not rush through a "Strategic Framework Agreement" governing the future of US forces until after President George W. Bush leaves office, she said.

In the face of resistance from Bush, the Democrat has long said that any such agreement must be reviewed by the US Congress as it would tie a future administration's hands on Iraq.

"Barack Obama has never urged a delay in negotiations, nor has he urged a delay in immediately beginning a responsible drawdown of our combat brigades," Morigi said.

How is this not a violation of the Logan Act?

A sitting Senator and Presidential candidate for the opposition party is involving himself in negotiations with a foreign government, and urging a course of action different from that of the sitting Administration.

These are exactly the kind of shenanigans the Logan Act is supposed to prevent!

Instead of denying the intial report, the Obama campaign just confirmed it!

How is telling the Iraqis that they should not "rush through" any negotiations different from urging a delay in negotiations?

This is so blatant and irresponsible, and of course Obamamedia is going to cover for him, because no one will grill the campaign on the utter contradiction of this statement, or the fact that Obama has just admitted he has violated the Logan Act.

329 posted on 09/16/2008 10:21:05 AM PDT by mojito
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To: roaddog727
Very likely this is a felony.

Not just any felony, but a violation of the Constitution, I believe:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2083566/posts
330 posted on 09/16/2008 11:17:32 AM PDT by kenavi (BHO: The only constant is change.)
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To: Roscoe Karns

I truely hope that this is the big, thick, unbreakable nail that is going into the Obama Campaign coffin.

Now that McCain has put a statement out concerning it, I hope it gets picked up by the media. I want to hear some more from the Iraqi leaders and Gen. Patraeus.

While it’s disgusting and reprehensilbe to our men and women in uniform, I sure hope it’s true only so his true colors are exposed for Americans to see.


331 posted on 09/16/2008 11:17:43 AM PDT by JenB987
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To: JenB987

Welcome to Free Republic. I demand that Obama take a polygraph.


332 posted on 09/16/2008 1:06:31 PM PDT by Coldwater Creek ("Read my lipstick")
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To: mojito

“But Obama’s national security spokeswoman Wendy Morigi said Taheri’s article bore “as much resemblance to the truth as a McCain campaign commercial.”
In fact, Obama had told the Iraqis that they should not rush through a “Strategic Framework Agreement” governing the future of US forces until after President George W. Bush leaves office, she said.

In the face of resistance from Bush, the Democrat has long said that any such agreement must be reviewed by the US Congress as it would tie a future administration’s hands on Iraq.

“Barack Obama has never urged a delay in negotiations, nor has he urged a delay in immediately beginning a responsible drawdown of our combat brigades,” Morigi said.”

This is absolutely traitorous, heinous, and reprehensible! His spokewoman admitted to everything the Obama campaign just denied. They need to be called to the carpet on this one bigtime - in stump speeches, commercials, debates, and possible legal action against Obama.


333 posted on 09/16/2008 1:30:01 PM PDT by Lions Gate
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To: GoLightly

Thanks!

I also later found some articles in the early July timeframe that say that the Iraqis would not enter into ANY agreement that did not include withdrawal of forces.

So that’s the best I can make out. Delaying the agreement delayed the troop withdrawal guidelines.


334 posted on 09/16/2008 2:12:04 PM PDT by rightthinkingwoman
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To: mojito

I agree with everything you posted.

Unfortunately the MSM doesn’t and it isn’t being picked up yet.

There are many blogs and bloggers that are trying to rectify that as we speak.


335 posted on 09/16/2008 2:15:13 PM PDT by loboinok (Gun control is hitting what you aim at!)
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To: Grampa Dave

This is yet another log piled on top of SNOBama the Moose’s back. I don’t see how it can avoid breaking for much longer.


336 posted on 09/16/2008 5:52:35 PM PDT by AFPhys ((.Praying for President Bush, our troops, their families, and all my American neighbors..))
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To: Roscoe Karns

BOOOM


337 posted on 09/16/2008 7:06:04 PM PDT by Deetes ( (God Bless the Troops) .)
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To: Drango

MoveAmericaForward already has an ad about this up on YouTube. I hope it goes on TV!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKqHFk-3yQM


338 posted on 09/16/2008 7:19:59 PM PDT by tsowellfan (http://www.youtube.com/cafenetamerica)
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To: nutmeg

Just in case you haven’t seen this . This needs to hit the blogs local papers talk shows...etc


339 posted on 09/16/2008 7:36:00 PM PDT by Deetes ( (God Bless the Troops) .)
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To: Roscoe Karns

Get ‘em McCain.........


340 posted on 09/16/2008 7:48:11 PM PDT by shield (A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand;but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc 10:2)
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To: Roscoe Karns

Here’s hoping this incident Swift Boats O.Hussein in the butt and destroys his cjances at the WH.


341 posted on 09/16/2008 8:48:57 PM PDT by Merlinator (Stop the Obamination!)
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To: Roscoe Karns; All
The story was true, folks.

Obama-Biden Reservations Confirmed

342 posted on 09/16/2008 10:07:29 PM PDT by sageb1 (Feminism is dead. Long live Palinism!)
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To: DoughtyOne

Even though the Post confirms this today, Drudge has deleted it from his roster.


343 posted on 09/17/2008 5:16:39 AM PDT by Guenevere
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To: Guenevere

That’s interesting.


344 posted on 09/17/2008 9:22:34 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (McCain, the Ipecac president... Obama the strychnine president...)
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To: DoughtyOne
I think it was replaced with..

..City uses DNA to fight dog poop.....:^

345 posted on 09/17/2008 10:02:04 AM PDT by Guenevere
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To: Guenevere

LOL


346 posted on 09/17/2008 10:15:21 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (McCain, the Ipecac president... Obama the strychnine president...)
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To: sageb1

Is the Department of Justice investigating, I wonder?


347 posted on 09/17/2008 8:02:18 PM PDT by unspun (Mike Huckabee: Government's job is "protect us, not have to provide for us.")
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