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Link to Bush still hurting McCain, poll finds
The New york Times ^ | 9-17-08 | ROBIN TONER and ADAM NAGOURNEY

Posted on 09/17/2008 8:01:58 PM PDT by GeeMoney

WASHINGTON - Despite an intense effort to distance himself from the way his party has done business in Washington, Senator John McCain is seen by voters as far less likely to bring change to Washington than Senator Barack Obama. Mr. McCain is widely viewed as a “typical Republican” who would continue or expand President Bush’s policies, according to the latest New York Times/CBS News Poll.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: bush; election; electionpresident; mccain; mccainpalin; obama
Is just what I feared, the bank mess and Charles Gibsons interview of Palin are hurting McCain? Or is this a skewed poll by the NYT?
1 posted on 09/17/2008 8:01:59 PM PDT by GeeMoney
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To: GeeMoney

It’s the NYTimes...not even worth commenting on.


2 posted on 09/17/2008 8:04:44 PM PDT by Dawn531
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To: GeeMoney

NYT . The poll was taken of the editorial staff.


3 posted on 09/17/2008 8:05:22 PM PDT by fantom
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To: GeeMoney
The MSM/Drivebys are mounting an effort to convince people McCain is finished and he's a clone of the hated Bush!

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

4 posted on 09/17/2008 8:05:57 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: GeeMoney

New York Times. Of course John McCain is less likely to bring change, but don’t assume that 51% or more of the people really want change. Especially Obama’s kind of change.


5 posted on 09/17/2008 8:08:09 PM PDT by webheart (All sarcasm contained in this post is intentional, and does not necessarily reflect a real opinion)
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To: GeeMoney

McCain saying, himself, that the economies’ “fundamentals” are “strong” was a blunder. His later excuse he was talking about workers was weak.


6 posted on 09/17/2008 8:08:14 PM PDT by Shermy (Barry O'Java - Joe Blah '08 (Carbon Credits and Credit Card Fee Increases Guaranteed))
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To: GeeMoney

I thought Palin did fine in the interview. I seriously don’t know why people think she did bad. MSM spin?


7 posted on 09/17/2008 8:08:34 PM PDT by SMCC1
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To: GeeMoney

His NON-LINK to Conservatives is hurting him MORE.


8 posted on 09/17/2008 8:08:50 PM PDT by VRWC For Truth (Palin is sugar on a turd ... No mas Juan "Traitor Rat" McAmnesty)
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To: Dawn531
It’s the NYTimes...not even worth commenting on.

That's what I think too.

But you know that link to Bill Ayers is still hurting 0dumbo.... oh wait, the NYTimes is too busy covering for Gaffe Man's mistakes to actually involve themselves in any real journalism.

9 posted on 09/17/2008 8:09:13 PM PDT by A message (Governor Palin is a great choice for Vice-President. McCain/ Palin '08)
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To: GeeMoney

It’s the Rats trying to get McCain to throw President Bush under the bus, all to make themselves feel “validated.”

They couldn’t “get” Bush themselves, so they are hoping to see McCain “get” him.

At least this has been my opinion for a while now.


10 posted on 09/17/2008 8:09:58 PM PDT by KJC1
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To: GeeMoney

If th nYT and other Nationalist Media outlets had been doing their jobs and acurately reporting news, ot manufacturing it, Bush would be an asset.

Of course now that they have the mortgage and economic failures, they will continue their dishonest reporting and givethe real culprits a pass, while castigating Bush over what he tried to forestall long ago.

In the meantime, Middle Class America foots the bill, again.


11 posted on 09/17/2008 8:11:47 PM PDT by DakotaRed (Don't you wish you had supported a conservative when you had the chance?)
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To: Shermy
The economy is strong. And I'm tired of candidates who rip down America just to win an election. If we do lose, so be it. We can at least show pride in our country. The other side can never ever find one good thing to say about her!

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

12 posted on 09/17/2008 8:11:57 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: GeeMoney

Palin did a good job with Gibson. Obama could only dream of doing that well. He is a stammering fool and he will be crushed in the McCain debates. With no teleprompter and millions watching, Obama will be exposed for the empty suit that he is.

No one pays attention to the NYT.


13 posted on 09/17/2008 8:12:01 PM PDT by frankjr (Stand up Chuck, let 'em see ya!!! Ohhhhhh.)
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To: GeeMoney

Headline: Link to crap still hurting NYTimes.


14 posted on 09/17/2008 8:12:40 PM PDT by David1
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To: KJC1

What they’re hoping is to back McCain into a corner. They hope that he will be damaged if he can be smeared with BDS, but they also hope he will be seen as disloyal if he disowns Bush.

McCain seems to be responding by refusing to gratify either of these wishes.


15 posted on 09/17/2008 8:12:43 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: GeeMoney
I just saw a poll that shows ambidextrous men are shifting to McCain in record numbers. This has the Obama camp concerned because that bloc was considered safe.

I just don't think polls mean that much today. The more obscure the poll, the more it reminds me of reading tea leaves.

If Obama's internal nubers guys showed him in control of the numbers and momentum, you simply wouldn't see the panic among the Democrat ilk as you see these days.

16 posted on 09/17/2008 8:12:55 PM PDT by stevem
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To: GeeMoney

Sounds like apush poll to me. “McCain is like a “typical Republican”...

What sort of option is that? It’s begging for some of the repondents to answer like this.


17 posted on 09/17/2008 8:12:56 PM PDT by Gumdrop
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To: Gumdrop
We know Republicans are bullies, are racists, are sexists, hate children, bash immigrants, yip, yap, yahoo. If I had to listen to nothing but the MSM/Drivebys 24/7 I might have to believe the worst of them. Apparently, some people do.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

18 posted on 09/17/2008 8:16:14 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: frankjr

My personal prediction: We have a long way to go yet. When it gets closer and the decision who is best to lead our nation, after the debates...and can America truly, truly, elect a radical, Jeremiah Wright raised, junior black Senator from Chicago that did not vote 130 times...BUT voted present, that was wrong on the surge working, instead demanded/preached WE SHOULD WITHDRAW...will not get the vote, especially with a wife that hates America like Michelle. More Dems will stay home than vote in a radical black no experienced Obama. I found out just tonight 5 relatives in a friends family that normally vote Dem absolutely said they will not vote. I would rather Dems not vote than vote O. I live in the SW and as it gets closer to that vote....O will NOT be voted in. Too many will not show up.


19 posted on 09/17/2008 8:18:08 PM PDT by IndianPrincessOK (McCain/Palin...2 pit bulls, one with lipstick! Pigs will fly with lipstick Nov. 4th)
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To: KJC1

The media has, along with the Dhimmicrats, sought to paint an exaggerated picture of President Bush. A lot of people see Bush as a man we like and respect and who we could trust not to disrespect our Oval Office with nastiness. Many lies and misrepresentations have been delivered about him by the MSM and the Democrats in Congress, who have a much lower “approval” rating than President Bush.


20 posted on 09/17/2008 8:18:41 PM PDT by Twinkie (GOVERNOR Sarah Heath Palin, "Charlie" . . . . .)
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To: GeeMoney

I conducted a poll today which can be summarized under the headline:

Link to Obama still haunting NY Slimes


21 posted on 09/17/2008 8:18:53 PM PDT by Rembrandt (We would have won Viet Nam w/o Dim interference.)
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To: GeeMoney

It may be true...I dont know. But Im not accepting anything the NY Times says as fact.

They’ve lost all their credibility.


22 posted on 09/17/2008 8:21:17 PM PDT by jerry557
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To: GeeMoney; All

Puhleeze . . . If the NYTimes and the rest of the MSM are using their contrived polling data to convince spineless Republicans to distance themselves from President Bush, then these very same spineless Republicans better do the exact opposite!
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HISTORICAL CONTEXT FOR THE CURRENT FINANCIAL CRISIS . . .

THE ANCHORESS: BE SURE TO READ ABOUT HOW FIVE YEARS AGO PRESIDENT BUSH TRIED TO PROPOSE AN OVERHAUL OF THE HOUSING FINANCE INDUSTRY, INCLUDING A PLAN TO OVERSEE FAN & FRED, BUT ACCORDING TO THE NY TIMES, THE DEMOCRATS - LED BY BARNEY FRANK - BLOCKED IT.

“These two entities — Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac — are not facing any kind of financial crisis,” said Representative Barney Frank of Massachusetts, the ranking Democrat on the Financial Services Committee. ”The more people exaggerate these problems, the more pressure there is on these companies, the less we will see in terms of affordable housing.”

Representative Melvin L. Watt, Democrat of North Carolina, agreed.

”I don’t see much other than a shell game going on here, moving something from one agency to another and in the process weakening the bargaining power of poorer families and their ability to get affordable housing,” Mr. Watt said.”

AND DON’T FORGET THE SECRET SPECIAL: TWO YEARS AGO JOHN MCCAIN TRIED TO RIGHT FRED & FAN: BLOCKED AGAIN!

SO SHOPPERS, KEEP THIS IN MIND WHEN SOCIAL SECURITY TANKS, BECAUSE PRESIDENT BUSH & JOHN MCCAIN WANTED TO RE-STRUCTURE SOCIAL SECURITY BUT THE DEMOCRATS BLOCKED THAT, TOO, WITH THE HELP OF THE GOP. JUST LETTING YOU KNOW WHAT IS AHEAD.

You will find the live links here:
http://theanchoressonline.com/


23 posted on 09/17/2008 8:21:24 PM PDT by DrDeb
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To: GeeMoney
Is just what I feared, the bank mess and Charles Gibsons interview of Palin are hurting McCain?

Politics is not for the weak-kneed or the faint of heart.

Perhaps you should find another hobby, like stamp collecting, to occupy your time until Nov. 5th.

24 posted on 09/17/2008 8:21:32 PM PDT by hole_n_one
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To: KJC1

Honestly, I think you nailed it squarely on the head!

The MSM has been working in overdrive to convinse the masses that 43 is worse than 42!

I’ll bet my last dollar it doesn’t work on Nov.4th!


25 posted on 09/17/2008 8:23:37 PM PDT by Randy Larsen ( BTW, If I offend you! Please let me know, I may want to offend you again!)
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To: hole_n_one
The polls are no surprise. McCain winning the election is not something the MSM/Drivebys want to push. True, he was once their senator. For today, a Democrat will get them what they want.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

26 posted on 09/17/2008 8:25:13 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: GeeMoney

This story might be true. If there was no link, McCain would be up 15 points.


27 posted on 09/17/2008 8:25:43 PM PDT by mlocher (america is a sovereign state)
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To: VRWC For Truth
His NON-LINK to Conservatives is hurting him MORE.

I agree completely. It is instructive for all other ambitious Republicans paying attention that McCain is today being tattooed with the Bush label even after the grief and betrayal he gave W on multiple issues (eg. Gang of 8 - Judges).

If any Republican earned the right of incumbent separation it was McCain. What did he get for his troubles? No Conservative support that doesn't originate with Sarah Palin and no Liberal support when the game is on the line.

He didn't want to, but McCain proved once and for all that the Conservative Base is the key to Republican victory. Period.

28 posted on 09/17/2008 8:26:25 PM PDT by plymaniac
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To: VRWC For Truth
“His NON-LINK to Conservatives is hurting him MORE.”

I think he's counting on conservatives to vote for him because they are so afraid of the alternative. Most people aren't that far to the right, and he's trying to appeal to most people. People are so fed up with George Bush and his administration that I was beginning to think that Republicans could nominate Jesus Christ and still not win. But McCain is doing surprisingly well. Choosing Palin was I think probably a brilliant move on his part. Republicans might just squeak this one out, and I can't think of any other candidate that could have done this for us. Candidates farther to the right would never have been able to get the kind of support McCain is getting.

29 posted on 09/17/2008 8:27:34 PM PDT by TKDietz
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I think he's counting on conservatives to vote for him because they are so afraid of the alternative.

Major tactical blunder. Socialism (R) is still Socialism.

30 posted on 09/17/2008 8:40:40 PM PDT by VRWC For Truth (Palin is sugar on a turd ... No mas Juan "Traitor Rat" McAmnesty)
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To: GeeMoney

On the contrary, it would hurt McCain to completely disregard GWB.


31 posted on 09/17/2008 8:57:40 PM PDT by citizencon
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To: citizencon

Do you all remember, when McCain was behind in the poll during the primaries, the MSM keep spitting out garbages like: “Support for Iraq WAR is hurting McCain chance...”

Just remember, everything the MSM is trying to do these days is to depress the Republican base, to suppress voter turnout.

Having said that, every conservatives with good conscience also know that for the past decade the Republican party is not doing anything worth our votes. I don’t see myself voting for Republicans, I am voting only to defeat the left wing crooks.


32 posted on 09/17/2008 9:03:33 PM PDT by FreeFromLiberalizm
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To: Shermy

Agreed....it was a big gaffe by McCain. But they have an opportunity to strike back but they have to do it loud and fast.

They need to go back on offense. Hang Franklin Raines and Barney Frank and Jim Johnson around BHO’s neck.


33 posted on 09/17/2008 9:21:36 PM PDT by Alvin Poon
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To: VRWC For Truth
“Major tactical blunder. Socialism (R) is still Socialism.”

And not voting for McCain would be a major tactical blunder on the part of people who think he's not conservative enough, because then Obama would win. That's why most conservatives are going to vote for him even if they have to hold their noses to do it. He's never going to please those people that hate him so much they'd let Obama win just so they didn't have to vote for him, and bending over backwards to try to win 100 of these people over is likely to cost him a 1000 votes from the broader America. McCain is not ultra-conservative. He never was and he never will be, and frankly that's one of the reasons he's enjoying as much support as he is in this time when people are so angry with Republicans, Bush and his administration in particular. McCain is playing the populist, and that's just what he needs to do if he wants to win this election. Stay home on election day. Write Duncan Hunter's name in or something stupid like that. See where that gets you. I'm going to try to get a Republican elected so we don't have Democrats controlling all three branches of government.

34 posted on 09/17/2008 9:28:06 PM PDT by TKDietz
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To: FreeFromLiberalizm

The problem is the Dems are so much better at lying. The lies are to convince people that Bill Clinton, Hillary, Obama, and other Dems are saints or “rock stars” to the younger generation.

They use lies to degrade Bush/Republicans or anything (including the truth) that gets in their way of power.

We’ll confront the lies for awhile but like a worned out record we get tired of hearing the same ole stuff. They win because what we see as worned out they repeat over and over again seeing VICTORY as the end result.

We stop lifting our people up and let the lying powers take over to win.

We don’t fight back hard or long enough so we have no one to blame but ourselves.

Why worry about McCain throwing Bush under the bus when most including Bush done that a long time ago.

If the thought of Pelosi, Reid, the Clintons, & Obama as the messiah does not make us sick enough to fight back nothing will.


35 posted on 09/17/2008 9:48:03 PM PDT by SoulSearching
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To: GeeMoney

I find it so fascinating that the media attempts to shape public opinion through headlines. All their Palin smear attempts failed. So they shifted to something else. Now they’re shifting again with the McCain=Bush shtick. won’t work. And they have the Obama rising in the polls nonsense going as well.


36 posted on 09/17/2008 9:51:24 PM PDT by petitfour
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To: GeeMoney
In the NY Times opinion, being linked to the current President is much worse than being linked to an unrepentant terrorist bomber, or a preacher who blames America for 9/11, or a host of other radical activists.
37 posted on 09/17/2008 10:07:58 PM PDT by eggman (Obama is now The Zero. He used to be The One but he added Biden.)
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To: Shermy

“”McCain saying, himself, that the economies’ “fundamentals” are “strong” was a blunder. His later excuse he was talking about workers was weak.””

But McCain was correct. We fundamentally have a strong economy built on principles of Capitalism. It is the political corruption and favoritism that has abused and corroded the pillars of our foundation. The political system is warped due to the greed and depraity of man. Businesses have grown into institutions and bureaucracies that have emerged corrupt with power.


38 posted on 09/18/2008 5:01:14 AM PDT by Gemsbok (CIC means Commmander-in-Chief,....NOT CommunityOrganizer-in-Chief or Comrad-in-Chief)
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To: Shermy

“”McCain saying, himself, that the economies’ “fundamentals” are “strong” was a blunder. His later excuse he was talking about workers was weak.””

But McCain was correct. We fundamentally have a strong economy built on principles of Capitalism. It is the political corruption and favoritism that has abused and corroded the pillars of our foundation. The political system is warped due to the greed and depraity of man. Businesses have grown into institutions and bureaucracies that have emerged corrupt with power.


39 posted on 09/18/2008 5:01:23 AM PDT by Gemsbok (CIC means Commmander-in-Chief,....NOT CommunityOrganizer-in-Chief or Comrad-in-Chief)
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