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Biden: Low taxes are unpatriotic; Update: Video added
hotair.com ^ | September 18, 2008 | Ed Morrissey

Posted on 09/18/2008 9:13:05 AM PDT by Free ThinkerNY

While Barack Obama tries to call John McCain a “liar” for saying Obama will raise taxes on a wide swath of Americans, Joe Biden tells America that paying higher taxes is … patriotic? The Democratic VP told Good Morning America today that “it’s time to be patriotic” and start allowing Uncle Sam to take even more of your paycheck:

Democratic vice presidential candidate Joe Biden says that paying higher taxes is the patriotic thing to do for wealthier Americans. …

Biden told ABC’s “Good Morning America” on Thursday that, in his words, “it’s time to be patriotic … time to jump in, time to be part of the deal, time to help get America out of the rut.”


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TOPICS: Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2008; biden; democrats; economicpolicy; economy; elections; nobama08; taxes

1 posted on 09/18/2008 9:13:05 AM PDT by Free ThinkerNY
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To: Free ThinkerNY

“Anyone may arrange his affairs so that his taxes shall be as low as possible; he is not
bound to choose that pattern which best pays the treasury. There is not even a patriotic
duty to increase one’s taxes. Over and over again the Courts have said that there is
nothing sinister in
so arranging affairs as to keep taxes as low as possible. Everyone does it,
rich and poor alike and all do right, for nobody owes any public duty to pay
more than the law demands.”

(US Appeals Court Justice the Honourable Learned Hand)


2 posted on 09/18/2008 9:14:54 AM PDT by griswold3 (Al qaeda is guilty of hirabah (war against society) Penalty is death.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Basically, the Brainless One is saying that giving up your freedom is being patriotic.


3 posted on 09/18/2008 9:15:06 AM PDT by Slapshot68
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To: Free ThinkerNY

The truth is that we are going to wind up paying higher taxes. Bailouts, wars, government programs and debt service without revenues means we are running up the credit card.


4 posted on 09/18/2008 9:15:58 AM PDT by misterrob (Obama-Keep the Change!)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

In that case, the so called rich, who pay 90% of the taxes already, are superpatriots. So is Exxon Mobil.

The poor would be traitors.

Joe is an absolute idiot. Let him talk. He improves the odds of McCain/Palin winning.


5 posted on 09/18/2008 9:16:38 AM PDT by dashing doofus (Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
At least he was honest for a change about the way that liberals DEFINE PATRIOTISM!!!

I guess the ultimate version of that patriotism---would be giving 100% of what you earn to the government. I guess that would be what democrats consider 'giving your life for your country'! /s>

Maybe they can make some kind of medal for that kind of patriotism.

6 posted on 09/18/2008 9:17:01 AM PDT by stockstrader (The choice is easy--"McCAIN", or "HUSSEIN"?)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
Joe Biden! :-)
Go Joe!

Go Joe!

7 posted on 09/18/2008 9:17:12 AM PDT by hiredhand
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To: Free ThinkerNY
Did he just challenge Charlie Rangel’s patriotism?
8 posted on 09/18/2008 9:17:46 AM PDT by Conservative Actuary
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To: misterrob

The true patriotic thing to do would be to call on everyone to pay higher taxes, except the truly poor.

And, for the public sector unions to give up some of their enormous retirement benefits which WILL drive state and local taxes to astronomical levels if pensions aren’t modernized.

Like Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid. No-one wants to discuss the REAL ISSUES and how to fix them.


9 posted on 09/18/2008 9:19:49 AM PDT by dashing doofus (Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
Democratic vice presidential candidate Joe Biden says that paying higher taxes is the patriotic thing to do for wealthier Americans. …

Alternatively, starve the beast. Join up now

10 posted on 09/18/2008 9:20:54 AM PDT by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

bttt


11 posted on 09/18/2008 9:20:58 AM PDT by w1andsodidwe (Jimmy Carter(the Godfather of Terror) allowed radical Islam to get a foothold in Iran.)
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To: Conservative Actuary

Apparently so...

I hope Charlie perceives his honor as having been impugned and challenges ‘ol brainless to a duel.

Now THAT would be something to see.


12 posted on 09/18/2008 9:21:14 AM PDT by WayneS (Vote Obama bin Biden 2008 - "Because the world doesn't suck enough yet".)
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To: Slapshot68
Basically, he is saying what democrats/liberals TRULY believe...

that it is the ultimate in patriotism--

to make the government as BIG AS HUMANLY POSSIBLE!!

"It takes a village",,,,you know. A VERY, VERY, VERY BIG VILLAGE. /s

13 posted on 09/18/2008 9:22:16 AM PDT by stockstrader (The choice is easy--"McCAIN", or "HUSSEIN"?)
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To: Slapshot68

This is the central issue in this campaign. What role does government play in the lives of ordinary people (not citizens because the denotes a required relationship). Obama and Biden view government as the objective. And they view their role at the top of that objective to be their prize, birth right, crown etc.

The founders viewed government as a necessary evil for administrative functions, to raise an army, to regulate inter-state commerce, to allow the nation which was a confederation, to speak abroad with one voice imbued with common and universal interest. Beyond that, the founders believed (with the exception of late-comer and imperialist Hamilton), that goverment that was best was government that was least.

Now, we are engaged in a battle to determine who has the right to divide our family’s purse. Obama and Biden believe they should be able to take every dollar we make and decide where it goes. Essentially, Barack Obama, who never had anything, received everything on affirmative action handout will have routed the system and then control 300 million take home pay checks. Why should we let this happen? Will those who actually work hard and create value benefit?

The answer is no. Obama says things like, “Relax, you can afford it.” and “It’s neighborly.”. Folks, we are on the verge of the largest stick up in world history. As if giving all of our money to the Arabs, Foreign Policy Welfare and foreign wars weren’t enough for the past 30 years, now they are coming to essentially turn us all into latter day sharecroppers on Obama’s plantation. His goal? To bring the welfare queens into the big house and put us in the share cropper shacks.

I hope you like social revolutions matey, ‘cause yer in one.


14 posted on 09/18/2008 9:22:54 AM PDT by johnnycap
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To: dashing doofus
...except the truly poor.

There are no "truly poor" in America. Anyone who claims otherwise has either never been to a third-world country, or they are deceiving you.

The great majority of Americans wouldn't even know what "truly poor" means.

15 posted on 09/18/2008 9:23:44 AM PDT by TChris (Democrats: Where are we going? ...and why am I in this handbasket?)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Sit down, Joe.


16 posted on 09/18/2008 9:26:28 AM PDT by ButThreeLeftsDo (Fight Crime. Shoot Back.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
Unfortunately this sounds not that much different than the Maverick sneering about greed and those making a profit instead of serving for patriotism .
17 posted on 09/18/2008 9:29:16 AM PDT by kbennkc (For those who have fought for it freedom has a flavor the protected will never know F/8 Cav)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

A few questions for Joe...

1)This implies (since the party platform is that taxes on the wealthy are too low) that if you are wealthy and did not write an amount in the “would you like to pay more taxes” box that you are unpatriotic. Can we have a look at your and BHO’s recent tax returns again?

2) Knowing the answer to 1), did you just question the patriotism of BHO, yourself and John McCain?... I thought you guys said that was out of bounds???

3) Shouldn’t we all strive to be patriotic? Isn’t this a call for higher taxes for all? Or is this just veiled propaganda for wealth redistribution? Don’t answer that... rhetorical question.

4) Hmmm... if it is increased federal revenue that is the lofty goal being pursued here, is it not unpatriotic to be wealthy and on the federal payroll at the same time? Do I have your and BHO’s pledge to forgo your federal salary whether elected or not (assuming you will still be senators... ad still be wealthy)?

What a dolt.


18 posted on 09/18/2008 9:29:23 AM PDT by leakinInTheBlueSea
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To: TChris

‘truly poor’ is dial up internet and no cell phone.(sarc)


19 posted on 09/18/2008 9:33:20 AM PDT by WOBBLY BOB (Conservatives are to McCain what Charlie Brown is to Lucy.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
Hey Joe you Blowhard Duffas--Obama cameout several days ago and changed his mind and said taxing the rich during a recession was not a good thing

Didn't ya get the message

20 posted on 09/18/2008 9:34:16 AM PDT by uncbob
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To: Free ThinkerNY

bfl


21 posted on 09/18/2008 9:39:54 AM PDT by sweetiepiezer (WHO NEEDS OPRAH!!!!!)
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To: dashing doofus

Its hard to find any wisdom or logic in Bidens comment. All of the ultra rich have special laws in their situation to avoid paying huge taxes...Biden knows this...because he helps to write them.

Most of the poor class pay absolutely no taxes because of the way that the tax tables are set up.

So the rest of us....the small businessmen and the middle class...pay the massive chunk of taxes in America.

I don’t buy any of this patriot garbage. This guy smoked something and really is drifting into a ultra high I think.


22 posted on 09/18/2008 9:41:13 AM PDT by pepsionice
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To: pepsionice

I like how crazy Joe ends some of his speeches with phrases like, “Love ya all.”

He sounds like my crazy uncle Ray.


23 posted on 09/18/2008 9:52:39 AM PDT by dashing doofus (Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber)
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To: dashing doofus

This nut job who wants us to give up our hard earned money only gave like $300something to charity! About right they want us to give up our $ but they are as tight as ticks! Hypocrits!


24 posted on 09/18/2008 9:55:42 AM PDT by LYSandra
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To: dashing doofus

This nut job who wants us to give up our hard earned money only gave like $300something to charity! About right they want us to give up our $ but they are as tight as ticks! Hypocrits!


25 posted on 09/18/2008 9:55:47 AM PDT by LYSandra
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To: TChris

I know what you’re saying about truly poor in other countries and I agree. But, I would argue that if not for a social safety net, they’d be no better off than those in Mexico.

I know most of the Medicaid and so-called welfare is fraud. But not all. The dems just want to put more people on it and guarantee their future votes.

I’d prefer to root out the fraud and lower government spending. THAT would be the truly patriotic thing to do.


26 posted on 09/18/2008 9:58:41 AM PDT by dashing doofus (Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber)
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To: LYSandra

Did you read about Rangel’s fleet of Mercedes? He keeps one, unregistered in a House (?) parking lot. Amazing, blatant hypocrisy.

Like Klintooon writing off clothes including used underwear as a donation to charity.

These freaks come up with all kinds of do-gooder schemes, but always want someone else to pay.


27 posted on 09/18/2008 10:00:50 AM PDT by dashing doofus (Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

LOL. He did his ‘leaning forward to be in charge’ thing. POS.


28 posted on 09/18/2008 10:03:53 AM PDT by truthluva ("Character is doing the right thing even when no one is looking" - JC Watts)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Hey, Joe, here’s a BETTER plan.

A Very “UnAmerican” Answer to Solving Our Financial Woes
Matt Towery
Thursday, September 18, 2008

More than once I’ve noted how ironic it is to find folks like the two wealthiest individuals in America, Warren Buffett (worth an estimated $62 billion) and Bill Gates (worth an estimated $58 billion) supporting Barack Obama and his tax plan that would tax “the richest of Americans.”

Of course we all know that under the proposal Obama supports, there is very little difference between a family that makes $300,000 a year or, say, Mr. Buffett and Mr. Gates. Warren Buffett has even stated that the rich pay less as a percentage of income than do their secretaries.

So Buffett and Gates want Americans who earn over $250,000 a year to send a higher portion of any excess amount they might earn to the federal government so it can determine which giant mismanaged conglomerate it can next bail out of trouble. And they want the government to decide how those dollars should be spent.

Of course they’ve already decided how their extra bucks should be expended. Bill Gates and his wife have a foundation in their names that admittedly does a great deal of good around the world — to the tune of $38.7 billion. But they help decide where the funds go and get all the credit for the donations. Buffett must like the way they spend their charitable dollars because the Gates Foundation is the beneficiary of a large portion of Buffett’s holdings as well.

That’s all well and good. But I have a better idea.

Rather than arbitrarily declare someone “rich” when they cross that $250,000 level, let’s raise the bar. Heck, let’s even let an individual keep the first $1 billion he or she earns. After that, let’s let them have a taste of what real taxes are all about.

How about a net worth tax? I know I’ve kidded about it before, but it’s even more fun thinking about it under the current circumstances, both political and economic.

Let’s tax the excess amount of anyone’s net worth that exceeds $1 billion at 90 percent. Of course we would have to undo those charitable foundations where the super-wealthy have the ability to demand, say, accountability and successful results for the use of their generously given dollars. They would instead have to let the old wheel of fate known as the federal government spend those dollars. There would be no huge parties honoring them, no honorary doctorates for their donations, not so much as a thank you letter.

But think how happy folks like Gates and Buffett would feel. Gates alone would be “donating” $45.6 billion to the United States Treasury. And hey, we wouldn’t need cash from Bill — the government would be happy to just take possession of his excess assets.

As for Warren, the $54.9 billion he would owe could help cover Fannie, Freddie and so many other worthwhile causes. Of course no one would be meandering over to Omaha to hear his wisdom on making money, because he would be “just another billionaire,” instead of the richest man in America.

Sound absurd? Of course. But it makes a strong point.

The two wealthiest individuals in America believe that if you strive to become wealthy, government should take more of your money and determine where and how it can be wasted. The problem is, there aren’t enough “rich” $250,000-plus living on the edge, scared to death, stretched-to-the-max people in America to cover for the billions of dollars being printed and distributed before the ink dries. All of it to prop up rotten lending institutions and Wall Street crooks.

Don’t worry, Obama supporters, there are plenty of McCain supporters who would qualify for my special little wealth tax. It’s just that most of them aren’t dumb enough to be proclaiming someone earning enough to support a family of four with a little spare change left behind as being “rich.”

Oh, and one other thing. Oprah will really like this plan. The “O” loves to give things away. Based on reports of her net worth, she would be “donating” about $1.35 billion to the federal government.

Now wouldn’t you love to see the smile she would be sporting on the next cover of her magazine after giving all of that away to her federal government? What, no grateful audience jumping for joy and throwing hugs and kisses her way? She might have to skip being on that cover. Perhaps there is value in my “tax the rich” plan after all.


29 posted on 09/18/2008 10:12:34 AM PDT by Dick Bachert
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To: dashing doofus
I’d prefer to root out the fraud and lower government spending. THAT would be the truly patriotic thing to do.

I'd prefer the government not even be in the "welfare" business at all.

It's not constitutional and they're bad at it.

Let private entities (churches, charities, individuals) care for the poor, voluntarily, with their own money and voluntary donations.

Government welfare isn't voluntary, as far as the source of their money.

30 posted on 09/18/2008 10:20:04 AM PDT by TChris (Democrats: Where are we going? ...and why am I in this handbasket?)
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To: TChris

That would be ideal. I’ll settle for just cutting out the fraud, and not killing work incentives though....


31 posted on 09/18/2008 10:50:14 AM PDT by dashing doofus (Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber)
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To: Slapshot68

I am sure if they get our money it won’t help the poor..

Puke..


32 posted on 09/18/2008 12:21:34 PM PDT by aeonspromise
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Democrat definition of “wealthier” = not on welfare


33 posted on 09/18/2008 1:50:03 PM PDT by TexasRepublic (Brother, can you spare a dime?)
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