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Local man runs generator on tap water (Hydrogen)
www.lovelycitizen.com ^ | 09/18/2008 | Don Lee

Posted on 09/18/2008 10:24:42 AM PDT by Red Badger

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To: thackney
I believe you are still missing the significance of the author's point, the focus of the importance of the study itself of a promising technology is that it begin with the restriction that any new process be carbon-neutral or carbon reducing in nature; this aspect of the feasibility and the relevancy was an aside to the true advantages, powerwise, of what seems to be a removal of a long-standing barrier to efficient electrolysis - namely diffusion at the cathodes and loss of volume with increasing voltage applied.

What was meant is that new advances in turbine efficiency and availability could make such a scheme more cost-effective and environmentally-friendly (important considerations in these worrisome times) as seen by those who might consider investing and adopting their findings.

I'm not certain of patent status but they do seem to have originality in the critical structure of the scheme.

141 posted on 09/18/2008 8:32:18 PM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: LeGrande

Maybe he was using thin film superconductivity, vortices and magnetic flux gates.

Maybe the solar panels are intended to replace the current outside power input. New solar panels that are paper thin, and are very efficient.

The best solution would be something that combines several technologies in a consolidated and highly efficient system.


142 posted on 09/18/2008 8:41:38 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The Last Boy Scout)
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To: UCANSEE2
Maybe he was using thin film superconductivity, vortices and magnetic flux gates.

Maybe the solar panels are intended to replace the current outside power input. New solar panels that are paper thin, and are very efficient.

The best solution would be something that combines several technologies in a consolidated and highly efficient system.

Please tell me that you forgot the sarcasm tag : )

Sadly, that isn't the case is it? I know you have a problem with laws, the Constitution in particular, but the Laws of Thermodynamics don't have any exceptions. There is no such thing as a perpetual motion machine. Entropy will not be denied.

143 posted on 09/18/2008 9:09:26 PM PDT by LeGrande
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To: UCANSEE2
Wanna see me turn water into wine?

Without adding anything? Sure I want to know the trick : )

144 posted on 09/18/2008 9:16:10 PM PDT by LeGrande
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To: LeGrande

I think you are missing my point.

: )

What I am talking about is a combination of technologies that can make one self-sufficient, power-wise.

This guy only has part of the components of such a system, so he has a long way to go.

Those other things I mentioned were just a snippet of some upcoming technologies. My point was there are new and as yet unexplored technologies, so don’t go discounting every new invention because you didn’t invent it.

I agree with you that any idea that his invention can achieve ‘over-unity’ in one ‘component’ or ‘phase’ is ridiculous.


145 posted on 09/18/2008 9:22:42 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The Last Boy Scout)
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To: LeGrande

“Without adding anything? Sure I want to know the trick : ) “

STEP 1: Get your party guests really, really drunk.


146 posted on 09/18/2008 9:25:56 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The Last Boy Scout)
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To: UCANSEE2
I agree with you that any idea that his invention can achieve ‘over-unity’ in one ‘component’ or ‘phase’ is ridiculous.

Whew, I was worried about you for a second : )

The real problem isn't energy. The problem is energy conversion and storage. That and the fact that oil is cheaper than alternative sources (for transportation anyway).

147 posted on 09/18/2008 9:41:35 PM PDT by LeGrande
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To: UCANSEE2
I agree with you that any idea that his invention can achieve ‘over-unity’ in one ‘component’ or ‘phase’ is ridiculous.

Hmm, you do know that you can never achieve 'over-unity' no matter how many components or phases?

148 posted on 09/18/2008 9:45:24 PM PDT by LeGrande
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To: LeGrande

That’s not what this guy is trying to do.

What he’s trying to do is provide his own electrical needs, and get off the ‘net’.


149 posted on 09/18/2008 10:35:44 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The Last Boy Scout)
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To: AFPhys

4H>He & D+T>He may not be as far off as you expect............


150 posted on 09/19/2008 5:16:38 AM PDT by Red Badger (I'm gonna use "Sarah!" from NOW ON since Hillary uses "Hillary!"......)
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To: UCANSEE2
That’s not what this guy is trying to do.

What he’s trying to do is provide his own electrical needs, and get off the ‘net’.

Yes he is trying to get off the grid by attempting to get more energy out of the hydrogen that he is liberating, than he is putting into the process to liberate the hydrogen.

I sympathize with his motives too, but I laugh at his attempt. I could be off the grid tomorrow but staying on the grid is cheaper.

151 posted on 09/19/2008 5:51:19 AM PDT by LeGrande
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To: Red Badger
Well, I wish and hope that is the case. However, the Demodog Congress this year, despite the wishes and recommendations of the President, pulled all US funding of ITER.

http://www.aip.org/fyi/2008/004.html "Despite being fully funded in the President’s and in the House and Senate Appropriations measures, the Fiscal Year 2008 omnibus funding measure contains $0 for the U.S. contribution to the ITER Project. ITER is the key breakthrough project for magnetic fusion energy."

I'm not certain as to the current status of the funding, but I know that the ITER schedule has been slipped at least two years partly as a result of Congress' stupidity here.

The Demodog Congress hasn't been very kind to Inertial confinement fusion either.

They WERE, however, able to find a way to subsidize $5 BILLION dollars worth of ethanol, and $500 Million worth of projects to bury CO2.

Fools.

152 posted on 09/19/2008 8:58:34 AM PDT by AFPhys ((.Praying for President Bush, our troops, their families, and all my American neighbors..))
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To: Red Badger
In addition to the water-powered generator, Falk is working on an improved, highly efficient solar panel design which he expects to have up and running shortly.

At the very end of the article he fesses up: what he's really building is a solar electricity system with a hydrogen buffer.

Someone needs to educate reporters on "hydrogen is no more an energy source than an extension cord."

153 posted on 09/19/2008 9:12:54 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (The average piece of junk is more meaningful than our criticism designating it so. - Ratatouille)
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To: LeGrande

Actually, I think that he may be building what is called a “Bingo Reactor”. It’s not some ignorant perpetual motion device, or some equally ignorant “Hydrogen Generator”. A Bingo generator is a poor mans Plasma Gasifier. It doesn’t create Hydrogen by electrolysis, it generates a 5000 Degree C arc that dissociates organic matter into its component molecules: H, C, and O mainly. These recombine into H2, CO, CO2, N2, and O2. The CO combusts easily into CO2 and is the source of most of the energy, not the Hydrogen. Any inorganic material in the biowaste fuel vitrifies into “clinkers”. This is a similar chemical path as that used by the WoodGas Gasifiers of WWII.

The only thing that really makes the Bingo reactor work well in pure water is the carbon electrodes. The electrode are slowly eaten by the arc if there isn’t any other carbon in the working fluid. Magnegas, Aquafuel, and other commercial waste treatment processes are based on the same technology. Perdue University delivered a portable biowaste power generator to the military for testing in 2007 using Plasma Gasification.

Most of the systems look like carbon arc lights driven by pulsed Tesla coils, and are based on US Pat. 603,058 by Hilliary Eldridge on April 26, 1898.


154 posted on 01/14/2009 9:27:20 PM PST by rallen
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To: hosepipe

“Yeah yeah but the secret ingredient in the tap water is di-hydrogen-oxide”

It’s the Betty Crocker recipe!

Dehydrated water in the package.

Instructions: Just add water, mix and bake!


155 posted on 01/14/2009 9:45:58 PM PST by dalereed
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To: dalereed

Knew a man poisoned with that stuff..
He got too much of it.. couldn’t breathe..


156 posted on 01/15/2009 8:17:24 AM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: Red Badger

And how much electricity is he using to run the electrolyzer? (I skimmed through the article and didn’t see any mention of that...)


157 posted on 01/15/2009 8:21:48 AM PST by TChris (So many useful idiots...)
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To: rallen
Actually, I think that he may be building what is called a “Bingo Reactor”. It’s not some ignorant perpetual motion device, or some equally ignorant “Hydrogen Generator”. A Bingo generator is a poor mans Plasma Gasifier. It doesn’t create Hydrogen by electrolysis, it generates a 5000 Degree C arc that dissociates organic matter into its component molecules: H, C, and O mainly. These recombine into H2, CO, CO2, N2, and O2. The CO combusts easily into CO2 and is the source of most of the energy, not the Hydrogen. Any inorganic material in the biowaste fuel vitrifies into “clinkers”. This is a similar chemical path as that used by the WoodGas Gasifiers of WWII.

Are you claiming that he is getting more energy out than he is putting in?

158 posted on 01/16/2009 6:50:31 AM PST by LeGrande (I once heard a smart man say that you canÂ’t reason someone out of something that they didnÂ’t reaso)
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To: LeGrande

It’s possible. Reports indicate that energy requirements for continuous operation are normally 2/3 of the output. So yes, there could easily be an energy surplus. The water (organic waste is better) is simply the fuel, like gasoline. The only difference is that instead of simple combustion, the fuel first goes through a pyrolysis stage to prepare it. The process is valid, and is the basis for several multi-million dollar industrial processes (hazardous waste disposal, waste stream sterilization, etc..) There are several instances of small-scale implementation. I know of one vehicle in Thailand powered by an onboard plasma gasifier (videos on YouTube).


159 posted on 01/28/2009 8:10:27 AM PST by rallen
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To: rallen
Reports indicate that energy requirements for continuous operation are normally 2/3 of the output.

Energy for nuthin and your chicks for free! I have a bridge for sale, hardly used at all, interested?

160 posted on 01/28/2009 10:18:11 AM PST by LeGrande (I once heard a smart man say that you canÂ’t reason someone out of something that they didnÂ’t reaso)
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