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Vanity: McCain "Broke" When a POW
Me | 9/17/08

Posted on 09/18/2008 12:35:02 PM PDT by llevrok

Please help me track something down I find despicable.

Today I heard Rush say that an Obama supporter is calling John McCain "unfit" to lead because he "broke" when a POW. By "broke", that is - he gave confidential information to his captors or admitted his "guilt" as a war terrorist.

I've read many books on the POW's in captivity both during Vietnam, Korea and WW2. Most - if not all - "break" under torture at some point usually later than sooner. And all who come home carry this huge feeling of guilt for letting their fellow POW's, service, country and family down.

I would defy any liberal who is spreading this as a cause of McCain being too weak to lead spend 1 month - or 1 day - under such conditions and not concede to what their captors want them to say or do.

THis is an attrocious charge and needs to be nipped in the bud. Now.


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KEYWORDS: mccain; mccainpalin; pow
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To: henkster

Right. Obama can follow the example set by his mentor John Fraud Kerry, who wasn’t captured, tortured, or even really wounded, yet voluntarily turned into a conduit for Soviet “antiwar” propaganda.


101 posted on 09/18/2008 1:21:49 PM PDT by hellbender
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To: llevrok

Dueling autobiography’s anyone?

McCain: Broke after 4 years of torture.

Obama: Survived 4 years of self-administerd narcotic abuse.

Any others?


102 posted on 09/18/2008 1:22:12 PM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel (Fannie/Freddie are the Michael Millken of the Obama campaign.)
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To: llevrok
Big Mac's time as a POW proves he is a man of strong character and intestinal fortitude. A true blue patriot who loves his country more than he desires personal gain.

Keep shooting blanks oBama.

103 posted on 09/18/2008 1:23:15 PM PDT by Darth Hillary (Alaska Is What America Was)
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To: Nervous Tick

I think we are forgetting that McCain was singled out for especially rough treatment after he refused early release. He became the pet victim of his captors who were incensed by his refusal to give them a propaganda coup by accepting early release and then his absolute steadfastness in the face of DAILY torture.

Other captives who had been there long before McCain arrived have said repeatedly that they had never seen anyone treated as badly as John McCain, to the point that several times when he was dumped back in his cell after a torture session they were convinced he would not live through the night.

I heard the bozo on Rush. He starts out by lying and it goes downhill from there. He wants to open the call by making it sound like something ‘bothers’ him. The whole conversation is a ruse and for my money this man can have his own special little place in hell, a place where ‘giving in’ brings no relief whatsoever.


104 posted on 09/18/2008 1:23:18 PM PDT by jwparkerjr
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To: NYC GOP Chick

All they have to do is just wake up in the morning ....it’s that simple. To them just breathing is a no brainer ....these are the same people who want to take us back to the 1850’s ...


105 posted on 09/18/2008 1:23:29 PM PDT by SkyDancer ("I Believe In The Law Until It Interferes With Justice")
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To: llevrok

You know, when I read this, the first thing I thought of “breaking” was McCain’s arm.

From what I understand, when they got mad at him over not leaving, they rebroke his arm.


106 posted on 09/18/2008 1:23:55 PM PDT by I still care (A thousand screaming Germans, some fake columns and swooning girly-men does not a campaign make.)
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To: Tarpon

What I heard and read was that when asked for the names of fellow pilots, etc., McCain gave them the names of the Green Bay Packers linemen. No joke.


107 posted on 09/18/2008 1:24:44 PM PDT by varina davis (Life is not a dress rehearsal)
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To: SkyDancer

I’m with you. I HATE them. I had been lukewarm about McCain (until Palin and the convention), because of policy disagreements, but I never dreamed that the ‘rats would sink so low as to use his infirmities from his torture as a POW against him. I can’t even begin to say how I hate them. They don’t deserve to live in the same country with him, much less have the arrogance to pit themselves against him as contender for Commander-In-Chief. I wish I had a way to let them all know how deeply I hate them, and the contempt I have for their weak spineless lying scum selves.


108 posted on 09/18/2008 1:26:31 PM PDT by mrsmel
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To: HammerOfTheDogs

Good plan, we could use the space to move all the liberals traitors living in the US to there, starting with Hanoi Jane.


109 posted on 09/18/2008 1:29:18 PM PDT by mrsmel
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To: mrsmel

I’m with you 100% ...I was lukewarm re: McCain until Sarah. As for the other despicable actions of the Obama campaign ...I need a nurf bat to start swinging at things ......


110 posted on 09/18/2008 1:29:37 PM PDT by SkyDancer ("I Believe In The Law Until It Interferes With Justice")
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To: stevem

You make an excellent point-the men who would know-his fellow POWs-have expressed nothing but admiration for him (and he for them). They need to get together and make an ad to refute the freaking lies being circulated by the traitor left. Let them refute the men who were there.


111 posted on 09/18/2008 1:31:57 PM PDT by mrsmel
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To: llevrok
Please help me track something down I find despicable.

Since this is a troll technique, I'll pass until after the elections.

This type of article post is even-odds a troll.

"Isn't it terrible?" doesn't legitimize it for me.

I'll let the gullible Freepers waste their time. Or your partners if they are dumb enough to reveal themselves.

112 posted on 09/18/2008 1:33:42 PM PDT by Publius6961 (Change is not a plan; Hope is not a strategy.)
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To: paterfamilias
Excellent post!

Would you mind if I e-mailed your words to a couple of guys I know who are still in the "less of 2 evils" mindset?

113 posted on 09/18/2008 1:36:39 PM PDT by voteNRA
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus
Yeah, I heard it today, some bozo named "Jason" called in to whine about how McCain is "unfit to be President" because he broke under torture while a POW.

Just force Jason to get a job and forego living with his mother and welfare and he'll break inside a month...

114 posted on 09/18/2008 1:38:19 PM PDT by Publius6961 (Change is not a plan; Hope is not a strategy.)
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To: varina davis

Yeah, that was true, but eventually he gave it up. Who wouldn’t after being beaten for years.


115 posted on 09/18/2008 1:39:12 PM PDT by Tarpon (Three things matter when selecting a President - character, character and character.)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

Didn’t Fred Thompson say at the convention that when asked the other pilot’s name McCain gave the name of the qtrback for the Detroit lions (or some NFL team)! It was very funny-only stupid metro type O supporters would come up with that. I heard the guy and he sounded whack-well duh whack - Obama supporter same thing!


116 posted on 09/18/2008 1:39:22 PM PDT by LYSandra
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To: paterfamilias

Same here, that’s the part of the speech that made me want to vote for the man himself, instead of just against Obama, or even because he picked Sarah Palin for VP.


117 posted on 09/18/2008 1:41:29 PM PDT by mrsmel
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To: tioga
I caught part of that, hope Rush hung up on him.

He did, AND he called the guy an idiot in the third hour of the show!

118 posted on 09/18/2008 1:43:57 PM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (Here they come boys! As thick as grass, and as black as thunder!)
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To: llevrok
McCain acknowledged this in his acceptance speech. And yes, they almost all broke. Of course, after months in captivity, they knew nothing of current military importance.

This is despicable. Bring it on, slimeballs, put the focus on McCain's military record and POW history. Fine by me.

119 posted on 09/18/2008 1:45:47 PM PDT by colorado tanker ("I just LOVE clinging to my guns and my religion!!!!" - Sarah Palin)
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To: llevrok
haven't read through the thread, but during his covention speech, I recall hearing Senator McCain said he was broken while in captivity.

"But after I turned down their offer, they worked me over harder than they ever had before, for a long time, and they broke me. When they brought me back to my cell, I was hurt and ashamed, and I didn't know how I could face my fellow prisoners. The good man in the cell next door to me, my friend, Bob Craner, saved me. Through taps on a wall, he told me I had fought as hard as I could. No man can always stand alone. And then he told me to get back up and fight again for my country and for the men I had the honor to servewith, because every day they fought for me."

120 posted on 09/18/2008 1:46:08 PM PDT by new cruelty (I don't want my daughters punished with obama.)
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To: llevrok
Any bets as to how many years, weeks, days, minutes obambi would last in the same prisoner situation?
121 posted on 09/18/2008 1:53:40 PM PDT by maine-iac7 (No trees were killed in sending this message but a lot of electrons were terribly agitated)
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To: llevrok

If some rabid leftist was saying this in front of me, I would punch their lights out. Honestly.


122 posted on 09/18/2008 1:54:43 PM PDT by vpintheak (Like a muddied spring or a polluted well is a righteous man who gives way to the wicked. Prov. 25:26)
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To: llevrok

He was also offered an early out - so they could use it for propaganda.

He refused even tho’ he knew things would get much worse for him

They did.

and he spent 3 1/2 more years of torture...I’d say that trumps one moment of weakness during pain and torture I doubt anyone in DC, and especially the obami would ever endure. They’d all have been sqealing like stuck pigs by the end of day one


123 posted on 09/18/2008 1:59:22 PM PDT by maine-iac7 (No trees were killed in sending this message but a lot of electrons were terribly agitated)
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To: paterfamilias
Moving when he delivered the speech....moving still just reading it.
124 posted on 09/18/2008 2:07:33 PM PDT by Churchillspirit
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To: llevrok

He did break. It’s in his bio and the movie on him. He gave a statement to the VC. This was after years of torture.


125 posted on 09/18/2008 2:07:57 PM PDT by nikos1121 (Mr. Smith is coming back to Washington in the name of Sarah Palin.)
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To: llevrok

Look for the “Rush in a Hurry” post later this evening. It’ll be addressed, I’m sure.

I heard it. The caller was a plant, but Rush gave it to him with both barrels. He used the situation to point out that torture in wartime WORKS.

I’ve been through Geneva Convention/Captive training, and one of the first things you commit to memory are the rules of the Geneva Convention when you’re in Basic Training for any service branch. You’re expected to be broken at some point under those circumstances. Tell them what they want to hear if it gets to that point, but make up as much BS as you can when you do. ;)


126 posted on 09/18/2008 2:12:49 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: llevrok

I seem to recall that, decades ago, it suddenly dawned on everyone that it simply doesn’t matter if POWs “break” under torture and make anti-American statements on television, or sign “confessions,” etc., precisely because nobody believes these statements and everybody knows they have been coerced. And POWs rarely, or never, have real INFORMATION to give to our enemies. There was a time when a POW who made an anti-American statement or signed a “confession” was viewed as a traitor. Today, it is rightly viewed as a non-event.


127 posted on 09/18/2008 2:46:54 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: llevrok

I would have broken the first ten minutes in. To watch McCain move his arms is heartbreaking.

McCain is a HERO of the United States of America. Period. Whether or not one sides with his political bent is another matter that, should it be to the contrary, could never take away from the man’s bravery.

He’s the tough sumbitch whom those putting him down would never have the nerve to stand up to. Limp-wristed, whiny, puny and pathetic, talking such things that people need boots to wade in it, such as Obama.

Hare-brained idiot fools from severely polluted gene pools.

I’m tired of liberals who KNOW what they would do in such a situation as McCain faced. They’re not brave enough to give birth to the baby they carry — “Oooh, oh, I DESERVE to be free from this mess in my belly” — yet they’re certain they could face more torture than McCain? Give me a break.

Yes, Obama, give us hope. Hope that you and your likes will leave this nation alone.

And give us change, too. A change of your address.

GO HOME, OBAMA. Indonesia needs you. Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Somewhereville. Just get the hell outta here.


128 posted on 09/18/2008 3:51:14 PM PDT by Birmingham Rain (Go home, Obama.)
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To: TexasCajun
Torture Works !

Now's the time to ask these belittler's of American GIs who were severely, brutally tortured and gave "information" why they think getting "information" out of AQ at Gitmo and elsewhere is a bad idea?

Breaking arms is okay for American POW's, but water-boarding of AQ/Taliban is not okay?

Libs are nuts. Many people are allergic to nuts. So, nuts get banned at schools, on planes, etc. Why isn't it universally true that human nuts don't get banned?...... ...... ......

129 posted on 09/18/2008 3:54:10 PM PDT by Alia
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To: llevrok

Of course he broke, and gave them as little as possible, then recovered and did the same during the next torture session. It was the experiences in the Hanoi Hilton that led the military to rewrite the UCMJ to give prisoners more leeway during torture. It is unreasonable to expect any human to withstand the kind of torture McCain experienced and not give up something. The line is, once you have given them something, you don’t give any more unless you are subjected to more torture. It also allows POWS who are tortured to regain their morale if they give something up during a torture session. It is never acceptable to get special treatment in return for cooperation, which John McCain never did.


130 posted on 09/18/2008 4:23:00 PM PDT by yazoo
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To: RC2

They scrapped the Code of Conduct? When did that happen? If it happened I know it was after 1987.


131 posted on 09/18/2008 4:30:52 PM PDT by csmusaret (Mortgage meltdown, $4.00 gas, stockmarket meltdown. Welcome to the Pelosi/Reid economy.)
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To: Tarpon

I have nothing but admiration and awe for John McCain’s service to his country.


132 posted on 09/18/2008 4:53:00 PM PDT by varina davis (Life is not a dress rehearsal)
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To: mrsmel

He knew the packers starting line up..he was a PACKER”S FAN!!!? My goodness the horror....(sarcasm on)


133 posted on 09/19/2008 6:11:28 AM PDT by mdmathis6
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