Skip to comments.15,000 Jews Say `No` to Palin at UN Rally on Iran
Posted on 09/21/2008 9:50:27 AM PDT by dalight
J Street has just won its first political skirmish. Only a day or so ago it began a campaign to petition Malcolm Hoenlein and the Conference of Presidents against its decision to invite Sarah Palin to address a UN rally against Iran on the day the latter's president addresses the world body.
With ‘friends’ like these....
J STREET - Staff
Jeremy Ben-Ami, Executive Director. Jeremy comes to J Street from a 25-year career in government, politics and communications, here and in Israel. Jeremy has served in a number of senior government positions including as President Bill Clintons Deputy Domestic Policy Adviser and Policy Director on Howard Deans Presidential Campaign. Jeremy was most recently Senior Vice President at Fenton Communications. He also has served as the Communications Director for the New Israel Fund and started the Israeli firm, Ben-Or Communications while living in Israel in the late 1990s. Jeremys father was born in Tel Aviv, and much of his family lives in Israel.
Joel M. Rubin, Political Director. Joel comes to J Street after recently serving on Capitol Hill as an aide to two senior Democratic Senators on foreign policy, defense, and appropriations issues. He has also served in a variety of national security positions at the State Department in both political-military and Middle Eastern affairs, as well as at the Energy Department in renewable energy. He has been awarded the congressional staffer of the year award by the Military Officers Association of America and honored with a Congressional Fellowship from the Brookings Institution. Prior to his government service, Joel served a Peace Corps Volunteer in Costa Rica on environmental issues. He earned a Bachelors degree in Politics from Brandeis University and a Masters degree in Public Policy from Carnegie Mellon University, has lived in Israel and travelled throughout the Middle East, and currently resides in the Washington, DC area.
Carinne Luck, Chief of Staff. Carinne is joining J Street after working at Brit Tzedek vShalom for three years as the Organizing and Campaign Director, where she developed a unique grassroots organizing model for pro-Israel, pro-peace activists. She has worked and consulted for a variety of peace and social justice organizations, on issues both domestic and international, and has written extensive curricula for community and youth-based organizing initiatives. Carinne was born in Israel, where the majority of her family still resides.
Maybe J STREET should worry about THEIR TAX EXEMPT status since they are supporting ALL DEMOCRATS, just take a look at their website. Most of the ‘leaders’ are former staff members of Democrats too.
J STREET = the usual THUGS
Lets try this again...
Because presidents are not dictators. When the Board votes, they execute the decision of the organization or resign.
I accidentally included an extra quote mark. Sorry.
Yes, it does.
I am not Jewish but a freeper who is Jewish once explained on a thread long ago that the Jewish people tend to be self-flagellating. They love to stick "Kick Me" signs on their own backs. For example, Jews in this country usually vote overwhelmingly for the party that would prevent them from having the guns they need to protect themselves the next time a despotic government decides to herd them into the boxcars.
It's weird. Don't ask me to explain WHY so many Jews are self-flagellating.
But yes, it defies logic as we understand it.
The people threatening them with pulling their tax exempt status ALSO has a tax exempt status...J Street!
Someone needs to have the J Street tax exempt status pulled!
“Malcolm is deeply upset but had to step back and save the rally. He said the truth would come out and the folks responsible for this would have to deal with the consequences of this shameful episode.”
I would hope so ... we have a right to know which tax-exempt organizaions threatened other tax-exempt organizations in order to advance their own political agenda. Then those who threatened should permanently lose their tax-exempt status and those making the threats should spend a little time cooling their heels in the slammer. General population. The lawyers pushing the threats should be disbarred.
And, Jews of good faith should continue to support only those organizations that are are proven to be for the greater good and not for the advancement of a marxist agenda.
Again, that doesn’t wash, unless Malcolm went and invited Palin without discussing it with the board in the first place. In which case, I would think he would be asked to resign. Somebody has to take responsibility for this and not just say, “oh, but they scared us by threatening to take away our tax exempt status.”
This is crap. I would like to see you have done different. The Warsaw getto revolt was done with little more than a handful of guns. But, Hitler took all of the guns and employed Jews to reassure the others it would be ok, even though everyone knew it wouldn't. Despair, powerlessness, the perceived enmity of the surrounding people and starvation were the tools of this evil. They have been used before, and will be used again. Don't add to this by cursing the Jews for this, remember that the survivors who made it to Israel redefined the meaning of valor and resistance in the teeth of fierce and overwhelming force.
You wouldn't know it for the current crop of Israeli Pols, but Jews are humans first. And we all have courage and exhibit cowardice in situations that we find ourselves in. Don't fall prey to absurd judgments or buying the lies of those who live for hate.
Now who is stereotyping?
Once you give in to THUGS you'll have to keep giving in to them. They know NO BOUNDS!
First, or again, crap. How do you differentiate these folks from other American Liberals, be they Episcopal, Unitarian, Presbyterian, Catholic or whatever. Liberals see guns as a problem that needs solving. Something unsafe to have in their homes because they know for a fact, and this is true that the gun is most likely to be used on an occupant of that house, rather than someone from outside especially in times of peace.
They see our country as civilized and the Gun people are the crazies.
This is wrongheaded in many ways but not all.
Jews live with a sense of the need for compassion and justice and they are prepared to admit being wrong, this is not "Kick Me" but some could sell it as such.
Christians who practice their faith with humility and devotion are just as willing to accept the possibility of being in error.
Our United States is built on some very basic "Liberal Values" Life, Liberty and Pursuit of Happiness. The idea of a society ruled by Laws and not Men. These are great Liberal ideas, but they are build on a foundation of faith and the idea that these rights come from God.
Those who reject God become lost, mistaking wrong for right, up for down and evil for good.
if you say all Jews are this or that, it is just as grave an error as any other prejudice. Don't go there.
Now who is stereotyping?
I recommend you read
A renoun Catholic Historian and Scholar.
Somewhat Controversial book by Rev. John Hagee that details why and how the Jewish community came to fear and distrust Christians. Some see this book as Catholic Bashing but the assertions are even more detailed in Johnson's book.
There is a long history of Christian persecution of Jews, denying that is foolish.
Rather, the question is whether Christians have truly repented and learned from this historic evil, and it takes time and repeated examples of Christian action that matches the sweet words to create trust that only 60 years ago was so terribly shaken.
If we cannot agree on the facts of general suspicions of a people who are haunted by the deaths of so many loved onese, then we cannot move forward to finding trust. Only two members of my Great-Grandparents generation survived. This isn't a distant memory, it kept me from God for nearly 50 years, trying to accept that God could and would allow it. Many still have not been able to cross this barrier. It takes time.
Thanks brother, We have not ALL been drinking the fascist kool-aid.
Okay Dalight, sufficiently chastised, I apologize for being a dumbass. Now, quit flaming those who support you, among my Jewish friends we can have impassioned discourse but we don’t stoop to shouting “dumbass” at each other. We use the moment to guide each other with logic and by pointing out where truth and propaganda divide, right?
I absolutely did not say or imply anything of the sort. Get a grip. As a matter of fact, the JPFO is one of my favorite organizations. Nothing can hide the fact, however, that Jews in this country vote in the vast majority for the party of socialism, atheism, gun control, infanticide, and foreign appeasement. That's "vast majority", just to reiterate.
.....here are of course exceptions.....
.....here are of course .....
.....There are of course exceptions....
Do you realize how ignorant you sound? I suppose "they're really good with money" too?
You could use the same broad brush about non-Jews, they love to self flagellate and stick kick me signs on their back by voting for McCain, who stabs them in the back every time.
You got a reading comprehension problem? I clearly remember reading such sentiments posted here by a Jewsish freeper years ago. Sorry, no, I did not bookmark that post.
And you show your wisdom and brains. Alot of anti-semitism in some of the knee jerking today. It gets in the way. But, you have shown that you get it and that what it really takes. You are right on the money. This is the time to stretch out a knowing and welcome hand, not to feed these J Steet creeps a victory by offending the very folks who's eyes have just cleared for the first time in years.
That's like saying I should repent and aplogize for owning slaves.
20,000 emails in 24 hours according to these Soros slimes
Hoenlein, who is a good guy, was outflanked
I am hoping the critical state of Florida has smarter Jews.
Well, if they are a tax exempt group and the 'Rats threatened to pull their tax exemption if they invited Palin, that's all the more reason for the organization to support Republicans for Congress and the White House. Of course, for now, they'd have to do it in a clandestine manner because the First Amendment is a casualty of the tax code when 'Rats run the government.
It's weird. Don't ask me to explain WHY so many Jews are self-flagellating.
You said this based on one person's interpretation of Jewish behavior, and then stretched this to a fact then used this to say "The vast majority of Jews in this country vote in the vast majority for the party of socialism, atheism, gun control, infanticide, and foreign appeasement." and then wonder why some one might be provoked. Talk about what you know about.
When Lynn Forester de Rothschild came out in support of John McCain she said the same thing that Dennis Prager ended up saying so many years ago.. what happened to the Democrat party? Many Jews have come to this A ha! moment. Jewish prayer teaches the value of peace, seeking justice, valuing the community as well as individual rights and attempting to use words to solve problems before coming to blows. These are deep values that can be cast in a positive or negative light but they are central teachings of the Bible that Christians and Jews share.
This thread is about folks who love Democrat power and all the evil that has come with that.. more than America and Israel. This has opened the eyes of Jews across America like no other event. Your words show that you have more to learn about Jews and Judaism, but I am calling on you to set away from your preconceptions and act like someone who can be trusted when the Democrats are making asses of themselves.
My father in law in Jewish and was a hard core Republican even having his picture taken with Goldwater as well as both Nixon and Ford in the White House.
When Reagan won the nomination in 1980 and spoke about prayer in schools and a conservative social agenda he stopped supporting Republicans with his money and became a hard core Democrat.
Today, he and my mother in law have pictures of of themselves with Bill and Hillary in the White House as well as with Al Gore.
David Axelrod is an American political consultant based in Chicago, Illinois. He is best known as a top adviser to Barack Obama, first in Obama’s 2004 campaign for the U.S. Senate in Illinois and currently as chief strategist for Obama’s 2008 presidential campaign.
Axelrod is the senior partner of AKP&D Message and Media and was a political writer for the Chicago Tribune. He operates ASK Public Strategies, a company that allegedly engages in “astroturfing” . He is also a supporter of Cook County Commissioner Forrest Claypool, who helped Axelrod found his firm (under the name Axelrod and Associates).
Let Israel defend herself!
Exceptions? What exceptions? Where do you find socialism and communism in the Tanakh (that’s “Old Testament” for the Rio Lindans)
Here’s a clue: Jews who believe in socialism and communism have rejected the teachings of the Torah and Prophets.
You're most likely correct on that one. Even the usually left-leaning Jerusalem Post did a story about how Republicans Abroad (Israel Chapter) has reported amazing success in organizing lifetime-'Rat elderly American Jews to vote for McCain-Palin by absentee ballot in November. That story was posted here on FR at the start of a thread the other day.
As some of these threats were backed up with letters offering legal action that would really cost real money to defend, and that the Rally had become threatened in that 3 of the sponsoring organizations had decided to pull out if it were to go forward with Palin speaking, it was decided to accept reality and move forward knowing that the Democrats would pay a high price for this despicable act.
I believe he is right in his faith that these tactics will hurt their authors and he needed to keep his eyes on the Rally that is left because Iran is still choosing an Evil path and they must be confronted without regard to who's feelings are hurt. Malcolm trusts McCain and Palin's support and just as an unbearable bore can ruin a party and make everyone want to leave. The boorishness is not soon forgotten. These Democrats have soiled the Party's name and the name of the New York Jewish community, and the American Jewish Community and put Israel at greater risk for no gain, just deranged hatred and this will be remembered.
does it also explain Israel’s military prowess?
Blaming the victim is cruel.
they are wholly owned and operated bt Soros
Can anyone establish whether this is true?
Obama has no history of behaving in a bipartisan way, and I fear that if he gets to be President his instinct will be to try to win by silencing any opposing voices, by slanderous accusations of racism or by legal action (IRS audits, etc.).
Chicago isn’t the nation’s capital of organized crime any more, New York is. That’s not to say, however, that the mob tradition in Chicago and the mob tradition of the Democratic Party are dead, far from it.
Paradoxically, you'll also find a disproportionately large percentage of Jews in the libertarian movement.
It seems ironic that a people that have gotten the short end of the stick from authoritarian states of all stripes throughout history should like government control to such an extent.
I do understand there may be one small glitch in Palins acceptance of the invitation to speak. Shes requested that she be introduced by David Brickner, the director of Jews for Jesus, who spoke before her at her Alaska church less than a month ago. I dont think this will cause Abe Foxman any trouble though, since he claims he has no problem with Palin lapping up a Jews for Jesus exhortation to convert us.
Can anyone establish whether this is true?
This bothered me as well.
I hope it's not true. Things were messy enough without Sarah (and you'd think she'd know better) getting Brickner to introduce her. And while I'm a big critic of treating Jews for J differently from Jews for b*ddha or Jews for "gay marriage," the fact is that for whatever reason rejection of J*sus is perceived as the very basis of all Jewish identity (which is stupid considering that Jews were around over a thousand years before chr*stianity existed), and for her to ask to be introduced by such a person would be playing into the hands of all those who stereotype conservatives and Republicans as enemies of the Jewish people and would be the worst possible move.
Do you know anything about this, Alouette?
I have not heard this. Is there a link somewhere? It just seems bogus.
If it is a lie (and I hope it is) it is a peculiarly blatant one.
Of course, Ms. Palin simply may not understand that Jews for J are not considered a Jewish group at all (possible when you consider the fact that pro-Israel evangelical stations have a show called "Jewish Voice" which presents Hebrew chr*stianity as genuine Judaism.
But that's the whole point! Fundamentalist Protestants are people who reject all historical chr*stianity (Catholics, Orthodox, etc.) and absolutely idealize the original Jewish chr*stians as both the perfect chr*stians and the perfect Jews. They're use of Hebrew, and of Jewish ceremonial and ritual objects is not only to lure Jewish converts (though of course they wouldn't mind if they did). They are literally trying to put Humpty-Dumpty back together again. For a brief shining moment two thousand years ago the Perfect Religion existed, and this Perfect Religion was just as accurately described as Jewish (since they believe it was prescribed by the Jewish G-d and Bible) as chr*stian.
Pro-Jewish Fundamentalist Protestants are the wrong people to be blaming for chr*stian anti-Semitism, since pro-Jewish Fundamentalism did not exist and was not responsible for the atrocities of chr*stendom (and it's certainly hypocritical for Jews to shun pro-Israel Fundamentalists in the name of anti-chr*stianity if they're going to issue joint statements with the Pope or with liberal Protestants who are every bit as chr*stian as any pro-Israel Fundamentalist is).
I have tried for a very long time to explain the peculiar worldview of Bible-only philo-Semitic Fundamentalist Protestants (I even have a web site somewhere with articles posted on the subject, assuming the Nazis haven't vandalized it). But for some reason no one wants to listen. Treating Bible Protestants like medieval Polish peasants is simply insane. And of course Bible-only philo-Semitic Protestants need to understand that Torah, not they (and not any liberal or even secular Jewish organization or group) defines the Jewish religion. Religious Jews really need to explain to these well-meaning and wonderful people why they can't accept J*sus. Instead the refusal to address the issue simply sweeps legitimate differences under the rug and keeps allowing misunderstandings to crop up to be exploited.
I'm not talking about arguing, yelling, or insulting. And no, chr*stianity is not (contrary to popular belief) the only thing disallowed by Torah. But Bible-only Protestants need to understand that Judaism isn't just "chr*stianity without the new testament." It's not a salvational religion. It's a statutory legal system. It's not about the messiah. It's about the Torah. Torah observance was never a temporary reaction to "the fall of man," or a "preparation for the messiah." The Torah is the reason the universe exists. G-d created the world so the Jewish People could observe Torah. And no one's explained that to them. For that reason they continue to think that "yeah, well you'll see one day that we've been right all along." They haven't been taught the true differences between the two religions or where (from the Jewish perspective) chr*stianity has gone off track.
Ironically, there are plenty of Jews who will tell chr*stians that "we Jews reject creationism," or "we Jews reject Biblical literalism," or "we Jews reject outdated laws against homosexuality." But there have been, so far as I know, no Jews who simply told their chr*stian friends "we Jews are doing exactly what G-d wants us to do, the Torah was never a temporary 'typology' of the messiah, and while we appreciate your support you simply have to understand that we believe that you are wrong."
Clumsy attempts to convert Jews by these people could be turned into a sincere teaching situation. Unfortunately, most Jews react to chr*stian missionaries like a vampire to sunlight, which of course plays directly into the hands of anti-Semites (of course, Catholics and Eastern Orthodox react the exact same way to Protestant missionaries).
I realize some of the things I have said here might be hurtful to some people on both sides of the issue, but that was not my intention. I'm simply trying to say that so much misunderstanding could be cleared up if philo-Semitic chr*stians could learn what Orthodox Jews believe Judaism is and is supposed to be, even if they never come to agree with them.
I've tried my best to pour my heart out in this post and describe the problem and the solution as I see them. By all past experience I will now be deluged with "hate pings" accusing me of both anti-chr*stianity and anti-Semitism. Oh well.
"Tikkun olam" is a very nebulous Hebrew language phrase that is subject to as many different interpretations as people trying to translate/interpret it. Roughly, "tikkun" means "repair" (even auto shops in Israel use the word) and "olam" means "the world." It is not a fundamental principle of Judaism at all, as it is merely mentioned once in the Talmud (so I'm told by a rabbi) in a context totally different from what the Jewish left thinks it means.
Clearly, the Jewish left has co-opted that phrase as a rallying cry and put its own spin on it, and would have one believe that Judaism equates with their leftist ideology. Their interpretation is just one of many.
So is the Republican Jewish Coalition, which put out a press release stating exactly that, which I posted on FR Friday.
It's not the Jewish people that cancelled Palin's appearance, it's a small group of leftist nutjobs. Please do not paint with too broad of a brush.
McCain will win a larger percentage of the Jewish vote this year than any GOP presidential candidate since the very early twentieth century, 40% at a minimum.
In the presidential election this year, that majority will certainly not be "vast" and may not be a majority at all!
As a Jewish Republican, I'm just as frustrated as you are, but I'm cautiously optimistic that this could be a watershed year.
I suppose that the late nineteenth century political cartoonists knew what they were doing when they chose the jackass as the symbol for the Democratic Party!