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BREAKING NEWS: No Indictment in Palin Hacking
American Spectator ^ | 09/23/08 | American Spectator

Posted on 09/23/2008 12:16:30 PM PDT by Artemis Webb

A federal grand jury in Chattanooga, Tenn., reportedly adjourned today without delivering an indictment in the hacking of Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin's personal e-mail account.

The grand jury heard testimony this morning from three friends of University of Tennessee student David Kernell, according to the Chattanooga Times-Free Press, but ended its session around noon without returning an indictment.

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Crime/Corruption; Politics/Elections; US: Tennessee
KEYWORDS: activistcourts; cultureofcorruption; hacker; howtostealanelection; kernell; mccainpalin; misleading; palinattacks; palingate; palinping; watergate2; yahoo
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To: Artemis Webb

..don’t you worry that head full of mush now little Davie, your daddy will get re-elected again I’m sure..afterall you’ve become quite a sensation there on campus now haven’t you?....you’ll probably get offers to write a few books now, ain’t that sumtin?....hell, you’ll most likely get a call from that lady Opfreee


51 posted on 09/23/2008 12:59:19 PM PDT by Doogle (USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: mnehrling
How in the world did a grand jury get it this quickly, they just served the warrant on Monday, and generally, Grand Juries serve for a week or two at a time? Something doesn’t smell right with this story.

I was just on grand jury for 18 weeks. We met one day a week. There were 4 other grand juries sitting for each other day of the week so this is entirely possible.

52 posted on 09/23/2008 12:59:31 PM PDT by frogjerk (MSM: We will not question Obama bin Biden...)
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To: stinkerpot65

All criminal acts are stupid.

Actions and decisions should result in consequences..... That’s not a tough concept for most conservatives.

Please rethink your position.


53 posted on 09/23/2008 12:59:43 PM PDT by Gator113 (Drill here, drill now...... or die.)
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To: Artemis Webb

“ended its session around noon without returning an indictment”

Hasn’t the American Speculator ever heard of a lunch break?


54 posted on 09/23/2008 1:01:00 PM PDT by dalereed
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To: G.Mason

“Don’t they feed the gerbils?”

Maybe the authorities captured them, they are illegal to own in California.


55 posted on 09/23/2008 1:03:58 PM PDT by dalereed
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To: Artemis Webb

Just as I predicted. He had to be Republican doing in a Dem.


56 posted on 09/23/2008 1:04:54 PM PDT by Hattie
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To: Artemis Webb

Completely misleading headline.....rather DUish...


57 posted on 09/23/2008 1:05:06 PM PDT by rottndog (Government is a necessary evil, but as with all evils, the less of it the better.)
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To: Artemis Webb

Goodness, what’s wrong with the person who posted this story on AS online? This is hardly BREAKING NEWS!!!!!!!!
They’re not finished presenting the case yet.
Sheesh.


58 posted on 09/23/2008 1:05:50 PM PDT by snarkytart
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To: Artemis Webb
Well duh!

Did anyone really believe this Dem operative would ever be punished?

Democrats are above the law. We may as well get used to it.

59 posted on 09/23/2008 1:06:30 PM PDT by TChris (Democrats: Where are we going? ...and why am I in this handbasket?)
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To: Artemis Webb

When justice is denied long enough, bad things start happening. We don’t want to go there.


60 posted on 09/23/2008 1:06:38 PM PDT by Antoninus (Ignore the polls. They're meant to shape public opinion, not measure it.)
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To: DoughtyOne

Now, who here did not see this coming? Same crap, different day. Get used to it, corruption is everywhere. Follow the money, and the sucking sound.

Welcome to Communist Amerika.


61 posted on 09/23/2008 1:07:04 PM PDT by gathersnomoss (General George Patton had it right.)
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To: rottndog
Talk to The American Spectator, that's their headline.
62 posted on 09/23/2008 1:07:26 PM PDT by snarkytart
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To: gathersnomoss

Did you read the article, or just the headline?


63 posted on 09/23/2008 1:08:48 PM PDT by snarkytart
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To: Artemis Webb

I can’t believe this, I can’t fathom this at all. What is wrong with America... Think I am gonna be sick.


64 posted on 09/23/2008 1:09:56 PM PDT by LowOiL
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To: Pilsner
In Texas, and many other states, it is common for the prosecutor to take wait until a case is completely worked up, then take it to the Grand Jury, which either votes to indict (a True Bill), or to not indict (a No Bill). In the Federal system, they do that too, but they also, far more often than in State Court, use the Grand Jury to futher the investigation. This kid's friends can tell the FBI or Secret Sevice to pound sand, and refuse to answer any question likely to inciminate their friend. They have to answer the questions of the Grand Jury (or the questions the Assistant US Attorney asks on behalf of the Grand Jury), or face going to jail for contempt. No indictment after the first time a Federal Grand Jury hears from witnesses in a case is not news. An indictment would have been news, and widely condemned as a rush to judgment.

I was just on Grand Jury for 18 weeks, once a week. We voted to true bill after about 30 minutes of deliberation as long as the prosecutor had their case together.

My guess is what happened here is that IF the case was presented to the grand jury and then IF they voted true BILL it may not be handed up until the session is complete. We handed up all of the indictments at that time except for the high profile cases (cold case, etc...) I cannot see why there would not be an indictment IF the Government can come up with some credible evidence. The fact that they moved in so quick to search tells me that they had some good computer forensics to go on.

65 posted on 09/23/2008 1:11:10 PM PDT by frogjerk (MSM: We will not question Obama bin Biden...)
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To: stinkerpot65

It wasn’t ‘just a stupid stunt’. The hacker said he intended to use the illegally obtained information against the McCain/Palin campaign if the opportunity presented itself. That’s a threat.


66 posted on 09/23/2008 1:13:03 PM PDT by Post Toasties (It's not a smear if it's true.)
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To: stinkerpot65

It wasn’t ‘just a stupid stunt’. The hacker said he intended to use the illegally obtained information against the McCain/Palin campaign if the opportunity presented itself. That’s a threat.


67 posted on 09/23/2008 1:13:08 PM PDT by Post Toasties (It's not a smear if it's true.)
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To: Artemis Webb

Wow,Justice on speed!

Evidence is taken on Sunday.

Then in 24 hours they have charges and three witnesses sworn and prepared for the Grand Jury

The secret Grand Jury proceedings are known within one hour of their recess.

I don’t buy any of it.
I been on Grand Jury twice. It doesn’t work this way.


68 posted on 09/23/2008 1:14:56 PM PDT by ConservativeGreek
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To: G.Mason

“The next few years should prove very interesting.
Lock & load.”

Yep, especially if that “civilian security force” comes around to try to take your guns.

BTW the title of this thread is misleading. there is nothing wrong with proceeding with some deliberation before issuing an indictment. Patience, grasshoppers.


69 posted on 09/23/2008 1:15:16 PM PDT by Canedawg (Show me an old Liberal and I'll show you someone with no brains. - Winston Churchill)
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To: gathersnomoss

Well, I am hoping this process is ongoing and the kid will face serious charges.

He didn’t just hack the email of an office associate. He hacked what may soon be the second most powerful person on earth, with evil intentions. This is being passed off by some as a prank, when it’s really something far worse.

He was trying to destroy Palin. And now some are worried he may be destroyed. Not me. This kid deserves to have his world turned upside down.


70 posted on 09/23/2008 1:15:25 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (McCain, the Ipecac president... Obama the strychnine president...)
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To: RoseofTexas

Yeah, the October surprise will be that she is in a prayer chain!

Goodness sakes, let’s just give the race to Obama now.


71 posted on 09/23/2008 1:16:10 PM PDT by proudtobeanamerican1 (God Bless Sarah Palin and her Family.)
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To: snarkytart; rottndog
I just ran across it on Drudge and posted what the link sent me to. I do agree that it's not really “breaking news” but for good reason the mods don't like titles being changed.
72 posted on 09/23/2008 1:16:14 PM PDT by Artemis Webb (Sarah Palin: Babies, Guns, Jesus. HOT DAMN!)
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To: stinkerpot65
If this is simply the unilateral act of a college kid, I don’t see the point of giving him a criminal record for a stupid stunt.

Get one to hack into Barack's or Michelle's e-Mail account and see what happens and how fast it happens.

You would see the book thrown at the hacker including charges of hate crimes. And he (or she) would be waiting for the indictment in a federal pen, not out walking the streets and surfing the net.

73 posted on 09/23/2008 1:17:59 PM PDT by Iron Munro (Suppose you were an idiot, and suppose you were a member of Congress; but I repeat myself)
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To: mnehrling

That is not correct. I was on a Federal Grand Jury and we met every other Wednesday for a whole year (yes, you heard me right, we were on the jury for a year).


74 posted on 09/23/2008 1:20:12 PM PDT by LivingNet
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To: G.Mason; Constitution Day; dalereed
Jim Robinson had a post on a thread yesterday explaining that they had just received 3 new servers and that John was in the process of installing and transferring what ever keeps FR up and running to them. Once completed FR should speedy once again and ready for all the traffic created by this election.

We are probably just experiencing John working out a few problems during this process.

75 posted on 09/23/2008 1:20:16 PM PDT by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: snarkytart

Just because some idiot at American Spectator posts a fraudulent headline is not an excuse to do likewise here at FR.


76 posted on 09/23/2008 1:20:47 PM PDT by rottndog (Government is a necessary evil, but as with all evils, the less of it the better.)
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To: Artemis Webb
Members of a Grand Jury usually serve for a year at a time, and its members must be identifiable.

Otherwise, it's known as a Star Chamber...

Just saying.

77 posted on 09/23/2008 1:22:27 PM PDT by Publius6961 (Change is not a plan; Hope is not a strategy.)
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To: rottndog

Take that up with the admin.
We are not suppose to alter the main headline of an article.


78 posted on 09/23/2008 1:22:49 PM PDT by snarkytart
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To: LivingNet

I’ve been on a couple and every time, we basically came in every day for two weeks.

It may vary from state to state or district to district.


79 posted on 09/23/2008 1:23:45 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: Artemis Webb

Federal Grand Juries seat for 18 months and none of the participants are even allowed to acknowledge who or what they are hearing or deliberating on. This story is a crock!


80 posted on 09/23/2008 1:26:04 PM PDT by SirFishalot
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To: Red_Devil 232

Thanks for the info.

I was on FR a little yesterday, but it was so slow I gave up eventually.


81 posted on 09/23/2008 1:27:03 PM PDT by Constitution Day
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To: the_Watchman
Is a grand jury required to indict or is some prosecutor just covering his behind?

Not only is a grand jury required, it must be a federal grand jury, since the crime is a Federal one.

I tried a quick search to identify the current members for the Chatanooga district, but no luck so far.

I do not believe that the members can be "secret."

82 posted on 09/23/2008 1:31:09 PM PDT by Publius6961 (Change is not a plan; Hope is not a strategy.)
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To: Artemis Webb

This is the ‘cover-up’.


83 posted on 09/23/2008 1:36:01 PM PDT by balk (thefightnetwork.com)
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To: mnehrling
How in the world did a grand jury get it this quickly, they just served the warrant on Monday, and generally, Grand Juries serve for a week or two at a time?

In my neck of the woods (Indianapolis), grand juries are typically already seated, and serve for nearly three months (a quarter of a year). This way, should something important come up, they could quickly review evidence and decide (or not decide) to recommend an indictment.

84 posted on 09/23/2008 1:36:55 PM PDT by Lou L
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To: Artemis Webb

“The hastily gathered grand jury, supplied by the DNC and the Mid-Tennessee O’Bama for Change Committee, heard testimony this morning from three friends of University of Tennessee...”


85 posted on 09/23/2008 1:40:18 PM PDT by papasmurf (I ain't your Daddy's Conservative, OK?)
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To: mnehrling

Silly FReeper, indictments are for McCain supporters!


86 posted on 09/23/2008 1:48:29 PM PDT by cardinal4 (Drill Now, Vote Nobama, and Oust the Third World Democrat Congress)
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To: stinkerpot65
I don’t see the point of giving him a criminal record for a stupid stunt.

Well I wish you would have been around when I made stupid mistakes-I paid for all mine. This Obama paid creature will be hero, and I had to petition for expungement of a LESSER charge. Im sorry, whats good for the goose has to be good for the gander..

87 posted on 09/23/2008 1:54:17 PM PDT by cardinal4 (Drill Now, Vote Nobama, and Oust the Third World Democrat Congress)
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To: Artemis Webb
then they should do what ronnie earl did to tom delay - take it to another county until you find a grand jury that will indite
88 posted on 09/23/2008 1:57:03 PM PDT by sloop (pfc in the quiet civil war)
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To: mnehrling

Dem Get out of Jail Free Card


89 posted on 09/23/2008 2:04:06 PM PDT by HeartlandOfAmerica (Don't blame me - I voted for Fred and am STILL a FredHead and will write him in!)
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To: Artemis Webb

So much for GJ’s “indicting a ham sandwich”.
There must have been lipstick on that pig, err...I mean ham.
I hate these media types and am so happy I dropped my cable at times like this.


90 posted on 09/23/2008 2:08:05 PM PDT by JerseyDvl (What do Obama and Osama have in common?-They both have friends who bombed the Pentagon! - Bill Ayers)
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To: rockabyebaby
Nothing will come of this, afterall, this crime was against a republican.

Ding, ding, ding, we have a winnah!

91 posted on 09/23/2008 2:10:28 PM PDT by GOPJ (Let free markets work - stupid companies SHOULD go belly-up - including Frannie and Freddie.)
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To: snarkytart

I must admit to going off half-cocked when I read the headline and saw RED.

I know you weren’t addressing me but I feel guilty and would like to confess.


92 posted on 09/23/2008 2:10:55 PM PDT by JerseyDvl (What do Obama and Osama have in common?-They both have friends who bombed the Pentagon! - Bill Ayers)
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To: the_Watchman
Is a grand jury required to indict or is some prosecutor just covering his behind?

No, a grand jury is not required to rubber-stamp a prosecutor's view. They would be totally pointless if that were the case. That said, the standard for indictment is pretty low if I remember correctly.

You may have been asking if it necessary for a grand jury to meet and agree before any indictment is handed down. I don't believe so. I think a prosecutor who feels he has a strong case can indict without one, but I'm not sure.

Freepmail me if you'd like an example of a grand jury which did not indict on recommended charges.

93 posted on 09/23/2008 2:12:51 PM PDT by Dianna
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To: Artemis Webb
OMG! TWO AMERICAS!!!

Rules and Laws are for Republicans only......Democrats get by with MURDER!!!

94 posted on 09/23/2008 2:18:34 PM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion.....The Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: stinkerpot65

Are you a mom who’s kid has dome stupid things and you didn’t want him punished????geesh.....HACKING is NOT A PRANK, LADY! SHORT-SHEETING is a PRANK.


95 posted on 09/23/2008 2:21:15 PM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion.....The Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: stinkerpot65
If this is simply the unilateral act of a college kid, I don’t see the point of giving him a criminal record for a stupid stunt.

What if the stupid stunt was breaking into your house? The law is the law.
96 posted on 09/23/2008 2:22:05 PM PDT by CottonBall
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To: Josh Painter
It’s been over a week since the kid was outed on the web. Plenty of time to wipe his hard drive and clean the house of any incriminating evidence.

The FBI has the log files from Yahoo and the hacker's ISP. The operator of the proxy server has turned over his log files and is cooperating.

There is no point in getting in an uproar if the indictment isn't handed up today. If David Kernell was the hacker, he will be indicted soon and brought to justice. If his roommates took the fifth, they'll be given immunity and compelled to testify.

The more interesting question is whether the FBI can catch the other hackers who logged in after the first one disclosed the changed password.

97 posted on 09/23/2008 2:23:54 PM PDT by HAL9000 ("No one made you run for president, girl."- Bill Clinton)
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To: Post Toasties

The hacker said THAT?? Where? I didn’t read anything about his threat to use it!! TELL ME!!


98 posted on 09/23/2008 2:24:56 PM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion.....The Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Artemis Webb

This confirms there are two Americas.


99 posted on 09/23/2008 2:49:17 PM PDT by wastedyears (Now sadly living in the DPRNYC [Brooklyn])
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To: InterceptPoint

This is in federal court for a federal crime and it will be an assistant us attorney prosecuting, not the local DA.


100 posted on 09/23/2008 2:59:05 PM PDT by AndyJackson
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