Um, let me think about this for a moment......
....Yeah, they do.
Posted on 09/28/2008 5:14:02 AM PDT by Kaslin
And the "modern utilitarian view of life" is a direct outcome of putting health care under the aegis of government and taxes.
When the only way you can cut taxes going to a wasteful bureaucracy is by killing people or allowing them die, then people will be killed or allowed to die.
Um, let me think about this for a moment......
....Yeah, they do.
Nothing better that visions of ‘Logan’s Run’ for breakfast.
So the demented have a duty to die. Maybe it would be easier to do away with those over 50. They have a much higher rate of disease. Well, how about 40? Very few breeders, lots of aches and pains. Hey, how about 30....?
(btw. I’m nearly 48.)
She’s not heavy (or a burden) - she’s my mother.
That'd pretty much empty out Congress.
She needs to have tea with former Colorado Gov, “Duty to Die,”
Dick Lamm.
No one on the planet has peddled more death (he passed the nation’s first
abortion law.)
Joined by George Soros, who put in place all the laws to allow starvation/dehydration of the gravely ill and disabled, and you’d
have a truly satanic trifecta - tete a tete.
Do any Freepers truly hope or wish that their lives end before they succumb to dementia? And if there was a way,consistent with each person's conscience, to at list tip the scales to ensure that it happens, would anyone take that way?
As an example: to take up base jumping, where each jumper packs their own chute, and where there is no time for a reserve chute to open - if done on a regular basis, a deterioration of memory would catch up very quickly.
Again, just curious.
Very good question, especially for those of us who care for Dearly Demented Ones. I'll get back to ya in (hopefully) 20 years or so..unless I forget!
Yes, when we're all just cogs in "the system" instead of individuals in relationship with other individuals, it's very easy to declare whole groups "expendable."
When the only way you can cut taxes going to a wasteful bureaucracy is by killing people or allowing them die, then people will be killed or allowed to die.
They won't cut taxes. The System is about perpetuating and expanding itself; the purported "beneficiaries" are just the excuse. For example, do you see taxes/expenditures being cut in school districts with falling enrollment? Nope - they just want more revenue to keep the district's employees on the rolls.
I was shocked when so many of the men on the President’s Bioethics Council said that they did not want to be a burden to their families.
However, my mother’s long illness and dependency taught me that I am a better person than I thought. I have more reserves than I ever thought. And it was confirmed that my Daddy is a very good man for taking care of her demands as well as needs 24 hours a day for those last few months.
In a way, we owe it to our family to let them take care of us. It’s a lesson we can teach.
(Besides, isn’t employment for the caretakers important to Warnock?)
For years I saw no reason to quit smoking since there is Alzheimer's on both sides of my family. I've seen cancer and Alzheimer's both, up close and personal, and I assure you that cancer is BETTER. I don't know if you'd count that?
I did quit smoking last year, when my husband developed cardiac problems. He hasn't quit yet himself, but I read that spouses of non-smokers tend to become non-smokers as well within a few years, so there's hope.
Society will be measured by the manner in which it treats the weakest of its citizens. And this definitely includes those with dementia.
I think she was making the point that a person could sign an agreement requesting life not be continued after certain set of deterioration is met.
My father-in-law developed dementia in his early 80’s. My husband and I spent three years visiting him in a lockdown unit for dementia sufferers in a nursing home. All I know is that he would have hated what he became. We saw several people in that unit slowly descend to a state in which they ended up bedridden, sleeping most of the day and not interested in anyone or anything. My father-in-law’s case reminded me of someone whose brain was dead, but his body was on life support since he continued to receive blood pressure meds, heart medications, etc.
Maybe someone would not have to sign an agreement authorizing euthansia when certain criteria are met, but I would certainly sign something that provided I receive no medication to prolong my life after a certain point.
After one of our depressing visits I asked my husband what I should do if he developed dementia. He told me to put him in a car, put a rock on the accelerator and send him over a cliff.
I am only relating our personal experience and I realize it probably will not be a popular view on this board.
Which, of course, begs the question: What’s keeping THESE TWO alive?
When the "system" becomes more important that the people the system serves, then its the system that needs to be allowed to dissolve and be replaced by a new system.
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Yes, that is who I ment as prime examples. Otherwise, I disagree with the notion. However if there is a list being made up of people to go to make society better, I have my own personal one and you woulnd’t want to be a lefty.
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