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Guilty! "Obama Sued Citibank to Force it to Make Bad Loans"
Media Circus via Gabrielle Cusumano/Townhall ^ | October 3, 2008 | Fellow Bloggers to Media Circus

Posted on 10/08/2008 9:31:36 PM PDT by WmShirerAdmirer

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To: jamz
Basically...white and black with equal credit histories receiving different loan results.

But how do we know this was his intent? We don't. For all we know, it's about forcing banks to make loans to people who are NOT creditworthy. Just because Obama says he's doing it for one reason, doesn't mean he's not doing it for another.

51 posted on 10/09/2008 6:31:05 AM PDT by library user
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To: WmShirerAdmirer
A gold medal story!


52 posted on 10/09/2008 6:31:59 AM PDT by NautiNurse (Palin won more votes in her Wasilla Mayoral race than Biden got in his 2008 Pres run)
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To: Old Sarge

“The Sheep are watching “Celebrity Dancing with the American Idols who Want to be Millionaires with a View of Regis and Kelly on the next Oprah”, so please keep the noise down...”

Sad but true.


53 posted on 10/09/2008 6:32:48 AM PDT by Canedawg (If the law supposes that, said Mr. Bumble, the law is a ass, a idiot.)
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To: library user

I understand...but the case directly points to redlining practices.

I can’t see where it states that he’s simply suing on the basis they aren’t taking ON bad loans. I’m not a lawyer by the way...and I’m simply being a devil’s advocate. Obama could beat this with a simple ad. If you take it too far...he and his willing media would simply turn it around and make it look like WE support redlining practices/unequal treatment.

Like I said...politically speaking...this isn’t a smoking gun...and may be a piece of cheese their campaign wants us to bite.


54 posted on 10/09/2008 6:35:10 AM PDT by jamz
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To: WmShirerAdmirer

55 posted on 10/09/2008 6:39:37 AM PDT by GalaxieFiveHundred
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To: WmShirerAdmirer
The court's ruling advanced Obama's argument parphrased here:

If a community bank is in an area with a lot of poor people who could never qualify for a real mortgage, and most of those people are black, then the bank is racist and has to give them mortgages anyway.

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Below is the actual court ruling that certified all blacks seeking a mortgage as a "class" in a class action lawsuit against the banks - which is devastating to the defendant bank:

In this case, the sole legal theory underlying Plaintiffs' claims is that Citibank's alleged redlining policy, coupled with its discriminatory pattern of denying home loans to African-American applicants, violates the Equal Credit Opportunity Act, the Fair Housing Act, and the Plaintiffs' constitutional rights under the Thirteenth Amendment.

Citibank opposes certification on the basis of typicality by arguing that:

[e]ach decision to grant or deny a mortgage loan application depends upon a myriad of individual facts including income, existing credit obligations, credit history, employment history, the amount of financing being sought, and the value of the property being financed. Proof that Citibank allegedly applied its lending criteria in a discriminatory fashion to one applicant would not establish that any other rejected applicant was qualified to receive a loan under Citibank's lending criteria or that Citibank discriminated in applying its lending criteria to that applicant.

See Def.'s Opp. at 9. In particular, Citibank argues that neither injunctive nor compensatory relief can be fashioned for an entire class “absent a challenge to a particular Citibank underwriting criteria.” Id. According to Citibank, without such a challenge, the Plaintiffs' cannot prove discrimination, because the “plaintiffs must demonstrate that their claims are based upon the same core of factual allegations such that proof of one plaintiff's claims would establish the bulk of the elements of each class member's claims.” See Citibank's Suppl.Mem. at 3-4 (citing Allen, 828 F.Supp. at 553).

Once again, Citibank misses the point. It is the allegedly discriminatory subjective application of Citibank's neutral underwriting criteria as a whole that may have adversely impacted the class. Plainly, the named plaintiffs' claims arise out of the same alleged course of conduct giving rise to the claims of the other class members. Although Citibank may ultimately prove that they did not engage in a pattern of race discrimination by rejecting African-Americans' applications for home loans, the determination of whether the named plaintiffs are typical class members for purposes of class certification does not depend upon resolving the merits of this case. The typicality requirement is satisfied because the named representatives' claims have the “same essential characteristics” as the potential class, i.e., they were African-Americans who were allegedly denied home loan based upon their race or the racial composition of their neighborhoods.FN14

FN14. In fact, Citibank's argument that different types of underwriting criteria may have been applied to applicants based on an “individualized treatment of the [applicant's] circumstances,” see Citibank's Suppl.Mem. at 5, simply lends credence to Plaintiffs' theory that the neutral underwriting criteria were being applied to the class members with considerable subjectivity. If the statistical evidence shows that the class members were given “individualized treatment” based on “circumstances” related to their race or the racial composition of their neighborhoods, then Plaintiffs' claims may be valid.

56 posted on 10/09/2008 6:40:13 AM PDT by Notwithstanding (Obama/Biden: the "O" stands for Zero Executive Experience & Zero Accomplishments)
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To: jamz

Loaning standards were lowered, then utterly obliterated, because of these race-hustlers—they SAID they were an anti-redlining effort, but it was all really an anti-white, communist strategy to collapse our capitalist economy by overwhelming and overloading it with aggressive, unrelenting demands for emtitlements and “equality.”

“Diversity” quotas in mortage lending were enforced, and just as our educational, industrial, cultural, and intellectual institutions are collapsing under the strain of lowered/non-existent standards due to the pandemic affirmative-action zeitgeist, so has the housing industry and our entire economy.

Do NOT believe what ACORN and CNN and “moderates” from either party say about it all.

It was a campaign of financial affirmative-action blackmail and shakedowns, and if we as a nation don’t grow a spine and a pair, we will continue to cower, grovel, and kow-tow to the minorities that seek the EEOC—Eventual Elimination Of Caucasians.


57 posted on 10/09/2008 6:44:11 AM PDT by VigilantAmerican (We will not waver, we will not tire; we will not falter, we will not fail)
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To: WmShirerAdmirer

People may or may not care about Odinga or Ayres, but they sure as hell care when their 401k has been destroyed. Now we find Obama helped trigger the avalanche.


58 posted on 10/09/2008 6:44:21 AM PDT by 6SJ7 (Welcome PUMAs!)
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To: Ciexyz

Teh html is skeevy. The first time I C&P to email it, I saw what you did. Pasting into Notepad and then copy-paste into my email tree worked, minor reformat needed.


59 posted on 10/09/2008 6:45:37 AM PDT by DBrow
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To: 6SJ7

That’s still the problem with McCain ‘taking the gloves off’ even on Fannie and Freddie. The big deal isn’t just Obama’s taking donations—everyone’s heard that about both sides for years.

It is going to 1) Congress forcing the banks to make bad loans and Fannie and Freddie to take them, 2) all of the ACORN pressure on banks and policy makers, and 3) both Obama’s role in that in the ACORN case back to 1995 and his serving as a ‘trainer’ for them.

Now that all the ACORN corruption is coming out is the time to make that link. Otherwise, they are still really letting Obama off the hook. Too many weak swings at the guy are counterproductive.


60 posted on 10/09/2008 6:49:40 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: WmShirerAdmirer
 
 
 
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61 posted on 10/09/2008 6:49:59 AM PDT by littlehouse36 (Those who are kind to the cruel, in the end will be cruel to the kind.)
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To: WmShirerAdmirer

Here is the original link.

http://clearinghouse.wustl.edu/detail.php?id=10112


62 posted on 10/09/2008 6:54:22 AM PDT by A. Patriot (CZ 52's ROCK)
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To: jamz

Google “The Cloward-Piven Strategy.”

You will understand.


63 posted on 10/09/2008 6:54:47 AM PDT by VigilantAmerican (We will not waver, we will not tire; we will not falter, we will not fail)
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To: WmShirerAdmirer

Glenn Beck was first with this on his awesome, awesome, awesome radio show days ago. I kept waiting for McCain or “his friends” in the press to say something, but heard nothing.


64 posted on 10/09/2008 6:55:47 AM PDT by Engineer_Soldier
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To: WmShirerAdmirer

Bump


65 posted on 10/09/2008 6:57:57 AM PDT by painter (If you like $3+/gal, Thank democrats in Congress!)
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To: WmShirerAdmirer

Get this into a commercial pronto!


66 posted on 10/09/2008 7:02:02 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA ("I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction" Obama, from Au)
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To: IndianPrincessOK
this needs to be forwarded to Hannity...now!

Don't bother, MSNBC will have this as "Breaking News" before he hits the airwaves.

67 posted on 10/09/2008 7:16:14 AM PDT by NY.SS-Bar9 (DR #1692)
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To: WmShirerAdmirer

There is so much on this guy that it is hard to even stick with one thing. McCain and the GOP have to figure out what to stick with this last month and pound it.


68 posted on 10/09/2008 7:17:13 AM PDT by truthandlife ("Some trust in chariots and some in horses, but we trust in the name of the LORD our God." (Ps 20:7))
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To: jamz

“The lawsuit seems to have targetted the redlining practice.”

Have you read the complaint? That seems like the logical place to start before telling us what the lawsuit was about.


69 posted on 10/09/2008 7:19:03 AM PDT by popdonnelly (Does Obama know ANYONE who likes America, capitalism, or white people?)
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To: WmShirerAdmirer

bump


70 posted on 10/09/2008 7:24:39 AM PDT by tutstar (Baptist Ping list - freepmail me to get on or off.)
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To: Nightshift

gnip...


71 posted on 10/09/2008 7:25:24 AM PDT by tutstar (Baptist Ping list - freepmail me to get on or off.)
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To: Ciexyz
Beeber?

Logged in?

C-o-u-l-d b-e a-n-y-t-h-i-n-g.

72 posted on 10/09/2008 7:37:17 AM PDT by kinsman redeemer (The real enemy seeks to devour what is good.)
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To: WmShirerAdmirer

Obama is part of the problem. Change? Ha! What a joke.


73 posted on 10/09/2008 7:42:13 AM PDT by Antoninus (Ignore the polls. They're meant to shape public opinion, not measure it.)
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To: WmShirerAdmirer
THIS is a thing of great beauty.

Does anybody have the original pdf posted?

74 posted on 10/09/2008 7:43:05 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (The fourth estate is the fifth column.)
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To: Salvation
Big stuff if this can be corroborated.

Wouldn't it be a matter of public record?

75 posted on 10/09/2008 7:52:10 AM PDT by twhitak
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To: WmShirerAdmirer
I have sent an official challenge to Snopes.com, who characterize this as FALSE accusation:

"I never thought I'd see the day, but I have to DISAGREE just a bit about something in one of your explanations.

Under "Barack Obama - The Loan Arranger" you state...

"The case was eventually settled out of court,... Citibank agreeing to help ease the way for low- and moderate- income people to apply for mortgages."

Why? If the case is about race, then for Citibank a compromise settlement would not be about income-level loans, it would be about a commitment to watch over the process better, diversity training, or some other race-related policy changes.

Citibank's side of the settlement makes it specifically about the income-level of they're loaning practices.

I have no doubt the plaintifs were wronged, at least in part, by suspicions on the part of Citibank personnel, but the RESULT of the lawsuit did force Citibank down the bad-loans road. And I'm sure the settlement included proving to some watchdog group that corrections had been made, and I doubt they'd accept "no loans to any-color poor people" as the spirit of the intent of this settlement."

76 posted on 10/09/2008 8:02:28 AM PDT by davidlachnicht ("IF WE'RE ALL TO BE TARGETS, THEN WE ALL MUST BE SOLDIERS.")
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To: zot; Interesting Times

ping


77 posted on 10/09/2008 8:04:04 AM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead (3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87))
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To: maine-iac7

I just sent emails to all of the above. EVERYONE, flood them with Freepmails ASAP!


78 posted on 10/09/2008 8:14:08 AM PDT by Free Bee
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To: WmShirerAdmirer

Obama Misleads, Misrepresents, Lies and Panders and tells everyone to look the other way by accusing them of distration? Who is the real distractor?....

Media won’t help because you can’t question Obama or you are obviously a racist.

Imagine what a Marxist Socialist study of Saul Alinsky, Ayers, and Jeramiah Wright, could do with that kind of POWER and ambition. Chavez did the exact same thing in Venezuela and the Left hearlds him as a hero.

Obama = Chavez.


79 posted on 10/09/2008 8:14:27 AM PDT by tomnbeverly (Night of the Obama Zombies (Premier 11/04/08. Coming to a neighborhood near you))
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To: All

OBAMA HAS A RADIO COMMERICAL BLAMING MCCAIN FOR THE LACK OF OVERSIGHT!!!

really!!

(it also blasts the irquis for building a feris wheel)


80 posted on 10/09/2008 8:15:47 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: WmShirerAdmirer

Why can’t we put something this cogent into an ad instead of the ramblings of the week-old weak ads we get in this market?


81 posted on 10/09/2008 8:16:18 AM PDT by Saab-driving Yuppie
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To: WmShirerAdmirer

Why can’t we put something this cogent into an ad instead of the ramblings of the week-old weak ads we get in this market?


82 posted on 10/09/2008 8:16:22 AM PDT by Saab-driving Yuppie
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To: WmShirerAdmirer

Whoa, great find!


83 posted on 10/09/2008 8:17:53 AM PDT by angelsonmyside
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To: library user

is this the same bad race based loans made on the defective rigged study that insanely over estimated the problem.


84 posted on 10/09/2008 8:18:25 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Free Bee
I just sent emails to all of the above. EVERYONE, flood them with Freepmails ASAP!

GREAT!

Thank you!

WE need to form a group who will do this on the crucial issues like ACORN, Odinga-Obama, Obama-Sub Prime loans and FAnnie and Freddie, Obama's planned National Police Force, etc.

check your Freep mail

;o)

85 posted on 10/09/2008 8:27:06 AM PDT by maine-iac7 ("He has the right to criticize who has the heart to help" Lincoln)
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To: maine-iac7; Free Bee; longtermmemmory
James Simpson, a former White House economist, has just published "Barack Obama & the Strategy of Manufactured Crisis" - on AmericanThinker.com at http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/09/barack_obama_and_the_strategy.html

Listen to this Interview of James Simpson, by Sandy Rios, Tuesday 9/30 - WYLL 1160AM, Chicago, IL
From http://www.culturecampaign.com/culturecorner.aspx

Further documentation connecting the dots of all the neo-Marxists who have invested in the development of Barack Obama may be found on discoverthenetworks.org

Simpson documents his research in his article, providing Web links. He provides a rough flow chart.


"CHANGE"

86 posted on 10/09/2008 8:41:59 AM PDT by unspun (Web search: "Cloward-Piven AND Obama" - get the truth out to all GOP officials & conservative media.)
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To: VigilantAmerican

Thank you for this post.

I googled “The Cloward-Piven Strategy” and learned SO much in just a couple of reads!

When I googled that, the first search result I got today was:

http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/groupProfile.asp?grpid=6967

That article was very well written, and even though it had a lot of information, I was able to understand it, and I could easily see after reading that how everything happening now with America seems to go together. I’ll tell you what, that stuff is scary.


87 posted on 10/09/2008 8:56:23 AM PDT by casinva
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To: WmShirerAdmirer

Sarah should do an ‘ACORN speach’ where she goes from beginning to end the history of Acorn, Obama’s relation, the current financial crisis and their part in it, and the current election fraud related DIRECTLY to ACORN.

A full hour of ACORN and Obama’s involvment (isn’t AYESRS associated strongly with them too?)


88 posted on 10/09/2008 8:57:23 AM PDT by Mr. K (Some days even my lucky rocketship underpants don't help)
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To: WmShirerAdmirer

This punk’s house of cards has to collapse SOME time? Doesn’t it?????


89 posted on 10/09/2008 8:58:49 AM PDT by MNSlim
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To: WmShirerAdmirer

Beh.
McCain won’t bring this up in the next debate either.


90 posted on 10/09/2008 9:02:12 AM PDT by XR7
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To: unspun

GREAT LINKS


91 posted on 10/09/2008 9:02:46 AM PDT by maine-iac7 ("He has the right to criticize who has the heart to help" Lincoln)
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To: Carry_Okie

Here is the original link.

http://clearinghouse.wustl.edu/detail.php?id=10112

Case Name Buycks-Roberson v. Citibank Fed. Sav. Bank Fair Housing/Lending/Insurance
Docket / Court 94 C 4094 ( N.D. Ill. ) FH-IL-0011
State/Territory Illinois

Case Summary
Plaintiffs filed their class action lawsuit on July 6, 1994, alleging that Citibank had engaged in redlining practices in the Chicago metropolitan area in violation of the Equal Credit Opportunity Act (ECOA), 15 U.S.C. 1691; the Fair Housing Act, 42 U.S.C. 3601-3619; the Thirteenth Amendm ...

Same article can be found here:

http://iusbvision.wordpress.com/2008/09/30/obama-sued-

http://www.mediacircus.com/2008/10/obama-sued-citibank-under-cra-to-force-it-to-make-bad-loans/

http://www.redcounty.com/sarasota/2008/10/obama-sued-citibank-under-cra/


92 posted on 10/09/2008 9:10:02 AM PDT by WmShirerAdmirer
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To: zot

“...Good find! This information should get legs, NOW !..”

This has been all over the web for weeks.

No one at any of media outlets is listening.


93 posted on 10/09/2008 9:10:10 AM PDT by Islander7 (The only thing Obama has to fear is the truth!)
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To: Mr. K

Which would be reduced to a 5 second sound byte by the media, followed by 10 minutes of “analysis” by MSM commentators explaining to everyone why what she said was racist.


94 posted on 10/09/2008 9:13:17 AM PDT by frankiep (Every socialist is a disguised dictator - Ludwig von Mises)
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To: goodnesswins

“.....bump.....sheesh.....there’s just TOO MUCH OUT THERE!!! So much, that I believe people won’t believe it....typical democrat strategy....”

I am confident there are thousands of others who share those thoughts.

I try to tell my friends and Obama supporters how he is corrupt, dangerous, deceitful and radical. All I get in return are blank stares or rage.

I have lost a couple of close friends over this. There are things larger, more important than friendships.

Thanks for allowing me to vent.


95 posted on 10/09/2008 9:16:17 AM PDT by Islander7 (The only thing Obama has to fear is the truth!)
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To: LucyT

FYI


96 posted on 10/09/2008 9:20:29 AM PDT by WestCoastGal (READ MY LIPSTICK!!! I'm praying for Sarah Palin - Keep the vultures away from her.)
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To: WmShirerAdmirer

It is time for this country to come to grips with its white guilt trip and its guilt of success. These two seemingly harmless ideas are literally tearing this country to shreds.


97 posted on 10/09/2008 9:28:26 AM PDT by TheThinker (It is the natural tendency of government to gravitate towards tyranny.)
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To: WmShirerAdmirer

WOW!!!! Just now Obama HUSSEIN is on all three cables ranting and raving that these bad loans are due to Wall Street Greed and the Repblican Administration!!!
THE RNC better pick this up and rub Obama HUSSEIN’S nose in this cow manure that he has pooped along with other wenches.
Obam was a major contributor to the creation of this horrific financial disaster, all to buy stinking, putrid dirty VOTES and get POWER NO MATTER THE COST!


98 posted on 10/09/2008 9:28:50 AM PDT by NOBAMA in 08 ( OBIE HUSSEIN IS A CORRUPT,DECAYED BRAIN and BODY with NO Redeeming Value!)
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To: WestCoastGal
This is not relevant since katie , Charlie, Hissy and Brokjaw fail to report this as news. Anything other the the Messiah's talking point's is totally irrelevant and should not be discussed. He is the Savior Any critique or even a simple questio nabout anything in his past is racist. Please DON"T ASK HIM ANYTHING. HE is eh Messiah and should not be questioned.
99 posted on 10/09/2008 9:28:53 AM PDT by libscum (don't sit out- vote Mccain)
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To: davidlachnicht

I went to that snopes article to see what you were talking about, and although it categorizes it as false, it only categorizes it as false because Obama was only a junior lawyer in the suit.

That snopes article, after the big flag of “false”, when some might just stop reading and say “oh, ok, that is just false then”, goes on to show Obama WAS in on the action, if only as a junior lawyer. That article defines Obama’s part as representing a Calvin Roberson in 1994 against Citibank, charging that “the bank systematically denied mortgages to African-American applicants and others from minority neighborhoods.”

Snopes admits (after they claim the information is false to begin with) that the lawsuit (in which they themselves admit Obama was a part of) charged that Citibank (and I’m writing from snopes.com itself) “rejected loan applications of minority applicants while approving loan applications filed by white applicants with similar financial characteristics and credit histories.”

So here is what I get from the snopes.com attempt to call this false — that snopes called it false because Obama was only one of the lawyers involved and not the one who actually “FILED” the claim to begin with. Obama WAS involved, according to snopes (if you were careful enough to read the article itself) and Obama represented one of the cases, again according to snopes.

Oh, there are plenty other Obama articles on snopes as well, mostly flagged as false as well, but DO make sure you read the articles with a keen eye for WHY they might declare them as false. There is usually a minor detail in the story they will take to declare the entire thing false, and if you just read the true or false flag, you’ll be sorely unaware of the truth itself!


100 posted on 10/09/2008 9:29:32 AM PDT by casinva
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