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Decision to teach kids to be 'gay' allowed to stand.
WND ^ | 10/08/08 | Bob Unruh

Posted on 10/09/2008 5:22:05 AM PDT by kindred

A federal court decision approving mandatory public school instruction for children as young as kindergarten in how to be homosexual is being allowed to stand, drawing a description of "despicable" from the parent who unsuccessfully challenged his school district's "gay" advocacy agenda.

The U.S. Supreme Court without comment has refused to intervene in a case prompted by the actions of officials at Estabrook Elementary school in Lexington, Mass., who not only were teaching homosexuality to young children, but specifically refused to allow Christian parents to opt their children out of the indoctrination.

The case on which WND has reported previously involves Massachusetts father David Parker, who with his wife now have withdrawn their children from public schools, for which they continue to pay taxes, and are homeschooling.

The decision by the Supreme Court leaves standing the ruling from the appeals court for Massachusetts, where Judge Sandra Lynch said those who are concerned over such civil rights violations "may seek recourse to the normal political processes for change in the town and state."

Earlier District Judge Mark Wolf had ordered that school officials' work to undermine Christian beliefs and teach homosexuality is needed to prepare children for citizenship, and if parents don't like it they can elect a different school committee or homeschool their children.

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To: longtermmemmory
private school and home school is a meaningless option unless it accompanies the option to not pay taxes to support the public schools.

That's not really true.

It at least protects those children who are educated in those settings.

I sure do object to my tax dollars going to support that system, but as long as there's no choice in the matter, I'll do what I can, and that's keeping kids out of situations like that.

51 posted on 10/09/2008 6:35:55 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: kindred

Sodom, USA.


52 posted on 10/09/2008 6:36:17 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: TaxRelief
SCOTUS had no choice but to stay out of this one.

I agree. As sad as it sounds, there is no constitutional documentation or precedence for SCOTUS to judge on. It is precisely the reason that Roe V. Wade was a bad ruling. Nothing in the constitution says anything about abortion and the case was heard by proxy under the guise of privacy and freedom of choice. The court should have kicked that one back and called BS on the premise of the case.

The only recourse for citizens is press local legislatures for a law or constitutional amendment. This will give the courts something to rule on. It would take years in any event and I highly doubt politicians are going to try and pass laws on specific curriculum in public schools.

The citizens of Mass need to come together if there is a majority that object. Otherwise, they need to relocate to another state.

This is a case where the government has too much power. Legally, citizens have to get their kids in education. If you decide to rely on the government for your kids education and you involuntarily pay the taxes for the service, you have to live with whatever the government says is best for your kids.

It must be OK because China does this for education and Olympic athletes. What could possibly be wrong with this approach? Take the youth and form them into what is best for the country in the opinion of the government.

The latest Obama-nations with public school curriculum: Homosexual agenda indoctrination, Man Made Global Warming indoctrination, No God Allowed policies, American Revisionist History lessons.....

53 posted on 10/09/2008 6:46:43 AM PDT by Tenacious 1 (Democrats are for Change - Let's run through a mine field at night wearing clown shoes!)
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To: longtermmemmory
private school and home school is a meaningless option unless it accompanies the option to not pay taxes to support the public schools.

That's a little much. Clearly getting children out of the government controlled indoctrination centers is beneficial for several reasons: (1) one can indoctrinate their children with the right ideas; (2) children are in a more natural and healthier environment--home, not an institution/prison; (3) children will have a better selection of friends, and we know that bad company corrupts good morals; (4) the state will have fewer heads for which they will receive funding (starve the beast); (5) others will see the superior "product" by non-government educational choices; (6) homeschooling shows that expensive educational facilities are not needed for excellent results; (7) attrition will provide grounds for reducing government school funding; and it may lead eventually to a complete separation of school and state.

But until then, leave the government system now.

54 posted on 10/09/2008 6:57:07 AM PDT by nonsporting
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To: kindred

I don’t have any handy examples, but WND is infamous for slanting and twisting stories and leaving out facts that don’t fit the thrust of their take on it. WND is no more reliable — and probably much less so — than the NYT. Many Freepers refuse to use it as a believable source for anything.


55 posted on 10/09/2008 7:03:10 AM PDT by gracesdad
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To: kindred

This is another reason why this election is not about McCain or Obama. It’s about who they appoint to make or not make awful decisions like this. There is no way in hell I want my tax money used for this garbage!


56 posted on 10/09/2008 7:06:48 AM PDT by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: CHATTAB

I believe that is the solution.

When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.


57 posted on 10/09/2008 7:06:49 AM PDT by ecomcon
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To: nonsporting

If you’re on Metmom’s ping list, you’ll know that every week brings multiple more reasons to homeschool. Most of them fall under one or more of your headings.

I’d add, it’s just a nicer and more natural way of living. I firmly believe no third grader should sit at a desk all day, that nine year old kids should be able to spend hours and hours playing legos or making mud pies. Most time at school is wasted on logistics and busywork. Homeschooling eliminates that waste.


58 posted on 10/09/2008 7:17:37 AM PDT by JenB
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To: Boiling point

I have an idea, we could form a “secret society” and stop registering our babies into the system.

In my former state the government school brown shirts ask their prisoners ( oops! "students") if they know of any children who are not in school. The government school brown shirts then notify the truant police in those districts.

So....Unless you plan to live in a cave, your plan will not work.

59 posted on 10/09/2008 8:30:13 AM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are NOT stupid)
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To: JenB; nonsporting
I’d add, it’s just a nicer and more natural way of living.
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Homeschooling is the most natural and healthy way to rear a child to a maturity.

It is a shame. There will always be children that must be institutionalized for their schooling. We need orphanages too, but no one is claiming that this is the best way to rear a child.

Yes, some children will need to be institutionalized for their schooling. Their parents are too poor, too stupid, too ill, too mentally unbalanced, too ill-educated by their own government education, too illiterate, too stressed,..or...these parents just may not like their kids.

60 posted on 10/09/2008 8:36:04 AM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are NOT stupid)
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To: TaxRelief
The “opt-out option” is there in essence. ( Tax Relief)

So the Massachusetts court is saying “keep paying your taxes, shut up, and either let us indoctrinate your kid, or put him in private school/homeschool.” ( Jen B)

Ransom!

Unless a parent ransoms their child the government will imprison their child in their government indoctrination centers ( misnamed "schools"). If the parents resist the government school brown shirts these parents face armed police and court action. Government schools are **serious** business in the life of all parents.

Thankfully we still have the option to ransom our children by paying extra ( in addition to supporting and establishing the religion of atheistic Secular Humanism in government indoctrination camps.

61 posted on 10/09/2008 8:58:53 AM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are NOT stupid)
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To: CHATTAB
You may be right.

There is far more reason than merely government schools. This ruling is merely a symptom of a far larger ( and irresolvable) problem. We are facing a worldview that has infected every bureaucracy, our government, culture, and nearly all educational institutions.

62 posted on 10/09/2008 9:02:51 AM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are NOT stupid)
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To: metmom
What bothers me the most about this gay agenda is the fact they don't tell the whole truth. Do these people tell the little children just what is means to be gay? Or the fact that you can get AIDS & die? I am so glad I now home school!
63 posted on 10/09/2008 9:12:07 AM PDT by pandoraou812 (Don't play leapfrog with a unicorn! ...........^............)
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To: muawiyah

New York City already has Harvey Milk High School. It gets around anti-discrimination ordinances by being “open to everyone.” The same is true of the various “Afro-Centric” schools in some urban areas.


64 posted on 10/09/2008 9:16:10 AM PDT by Clemenza (PRIVATIZE FANNIE AND FREDDIE! NO MORE BAILOUTS!)
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To: P-Marlowe

This is endemic. We must pray for revival. There is no political solution for this disease.
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You are absolutely correct. There is no political solution.


65 posted on 10/09/2008 9:21:23 AM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are NOT stupid)
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To: wintertime

“Yes, some children will need to be institutionalized for their schooling. Their parents are too poor, too stupid, too ill, too mentally unbalanced, too ill-educated by their own government education, too illiterate, too stressed,..or...these parents just may not like their kids.”

Hey, I resemble a couple of those remarks! Heh heh!!

~wink~

Seriously though...with determination, even an abjectly ignorant person can perhaps not teach but at least orchestrate a home education.


66 posted on 10/09/2008 9:22:32 AM PDT by 2Jedismom (And as He stands in victory, sin's curse has lost it's grip on me.)
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To: TaxRelief
SCOTUS had no choice but to stay out of this one.
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The fundamental problem that no court has ever addressed is the underlying conflict between government schooling, the First Amendment, and freedom of conscience.

**No** school can be religiously neutral. **ALL** schools establish a religious wordview. This includes **all** government schools!

Besides this, **all** government schools must violate free speech, press, assembly, and expression of religion. It is unavoidable, **all** schools must do this.

So....I can see the reluctance of the Supreme Court to take on this issue. Ultimately, the court ( if it were honest) would need to rule that **every** government school in this nation is a First Amendment abomination and must be closed.

I doubt the Supremes have back bones stiff enough to do that.

67 posted on 10/09/2008 9:29:51 AM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are NOT stupid)
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To: wintertime

The kids would be home schooled. They wouldn’t have S.S. numbers or known addresses so would not exist as far as the gov knows.We as legal registered Americans would have to play by the rules and go down with the ship. As the country disintegrates around us, we would assist and educate and support the unregistered young who don’t have to play by the rules. For example, I tag a car in my name for an unregistered. They get pulled over for speeding with no license or ID, they don’t show up for the court date. Much like the illegal aliens get by now. The problem would be, how could they own a house or land? Anyway lots to work out to make it work, but it would be a good way to revolt in a non violent way. It’s never been about gun control, It’s people control.


68 posted on 10/09/2008 10:28:52 AM PDT by Boiling point (If God had wanted us to vote, he would have given us candidates.)
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March
There’s hope. We must fight for better justices.

I think SCOTUS was correct in not taking this case. This is purely a case of State law. I don't see any Constituional or Federal issue at stake here.

You only need 4 Justices to agree to take up a case on appeal. It seems that at least one of Roberts, Alito, Scalia and Thomas agree with me that this is not an appropriate issue for SCOTUS to decide.

69 posted on 10/09/2008 10:41:02 AM PDT by Citizen Blade (What would Ronald Reagan do?)
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To: Boonie

The unregistered folks would have to utilize the monetary system we have now until the cashless system is mandatory. It would be up to us to make sure that never happened. If enough people started with this non violent form of revolution, eventually, maybe a couple of generations, there would be hundreds of thousands of them, all well educated in what caused this once great nation to fail after so long. In the mean time, the old tax base (us), would have died off bankrupting the old socialist system.


70 posted on 10/09/2008 10:41:38 AM PDT by Boiling point (If God had wanted us to vote, he would have given us candidates.)
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To: wintertime
The fundamental problem that no court has ever addressed is the underlying conflict between government schooling, the First Amendment, and freedom of conscience.

What does that tell you? Maybe there simply is no Constitutional issue here, other than in your own mind.

If you, or other likeminded people, think there is a Constitutional argument to be made here, then, by all means, file a lawsuit. Until then, your whining on this issue is tiresome.

71 posted on 10/09/2008 10:48:22 AM PDT by Citizen Blade (What would Ronald Reagan do?)
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To: Citizen Blade

Be careful for what you wish for.


72 posted on 10/09/2008 2:56:53 PM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are NOT stupid)
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To: Citizen Blade

I do like states’ rights. Good point. But what about the other three justices? Were they all wrong?


73 posted on 10/10/2008 2:08:06 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (BO [my plane stinks] Change is BS Change. Ayers+Raines+ACORN=RICO)
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To: little jeremiah; wagglebee
I see nothing has changed around here. “freepers” are dismissing this because WND is the only source that will cover this story.
74 posted on 10/10/2008 9:43:52 AM PDT by DirtyHarryY2K (Proud Father of 2 US Marines. Support our troops!)
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To: DirtyHarryY2K

Why do freepers hate WND? It’s right about tons of stuff!

(wagglebee - will you let me do a bit of pinging in a while? My fingers are itching...!)


75 posted on 10/10/2008 10:04:16 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Leave illusion, come to the truth. Leave the darkness, come to the light.)
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To: DirtyHarryY2K; kindred; little jeremiah; 185JHP; AFA-Michigan; Abathar; Agitate; AliVeritas; ...
Homosexual Agenda Ping

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76 posted on 10/10/2008 10:10:27 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: little jeremiah; DirtyHarryY2K; 8mmMauser; floriduh voter; BykrBayb
Why do freepers hate WND? It’s right about tons of stuff!

I think the problem is that when WND is "wrong" they are REALLY WRONG.

However, Bob Unruh wrote this piece and he is great. He used a lot of stuff from FReepers to right an expose about Lauren Richardson, a woman from Delaware whose mother was trying to kill Terri Schiavo-style. Ultimately, Lauren's parents agreed to take her home and let her live and Bob Unruh deserves credit for that. WND was also talking about Terri Schiavo long before everyone else in the world knew who she was.

77 posted on 10/10/2008 10:20:15 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: little jeremiah
All I have at this time is a blackberry, just a step above texting on my cell phone. cannot copy&past links and such. searching google news to see how many other sources are covering this would be easy. However, posting them would be impossible for me.
78 posted on 10/10/2008 10:31:41 AM PDT by DirtyHarryY2K (Proud Father of 2 US Marines. Support our troops!)
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March
I do like states’ rights. Good point. But what about the other three justices? Were they all wrong?

We don't know if any justices voted to hear this case. The vote is not made public when the Supreme Court decides whether or not to take a case.

Maybe 3 conservative justices voted to hear this case, but we'll never know.

79 posted on 10/10/2008 10:34:42 AM PDT by Citizen Blade (What would Ronald Reagan do?)
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To: grellis
This is what acceptance of homosexuality gets us, folks. Give an inch, lose a mile.

This, ultimately, will be happening in every state homosexual marriage is allowed. If homosexual marriage is legal, schools can and will force the idea upon children.

80 posted on 10/10/2008 10:47:24 AM PDT by Ol' Sparky (Liberal Republicans are the greater of two evils)
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To: muawiyah
There's no evidence whatsoever that assembling all the homosexuals in one spot reduces their suicide incidence.

But, I guarantee assembling them all in one place will increase the STD rate.

81 posted on 10/10/2008 10:48:27 AM PDT by Ol' Sparky (Liberal Republicans are the greater of two evils)
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To: TaxRelief
It doesn’t seem fair, but unless public education becomes mandatory and assigned, the Supreme Court really can’t get involved.

The way things are going, you don't think that is going to be next? When judges force gay marriage upon the populace, it doesn't take much imagination to think they will ultimately force kids into public schools.

82 posted on 10/10/2008 10:53:32 AM PDT by Ol' Sparky (Liberal Republicans are the greater of two evils)
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To: Ol' Sparky

Up until now, courts have maintained parental rights, I suspect that day may come.


83 posted on 10/10/2008 11:33:28 AM PDT by TaxRelief (Walmart: Keeping my family on-budget since 1993.)
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To: kindred

It is all about homosexual access to kids. Rome had their catamites and today’s male homosexuals want their little boys too.


84 posted on 10/10/2008 2:21:00 PM PDT by Neoliberalnot ((Hallmarks of Liberalism: Ingratitude and Envy))
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To: <1/1,000,000th%

So do they have them rimming each other or what?””

A demonstration of fecal consumption and how to get a dozen venereal diseases and pass them to others, is part of the curriculum of enlightened and tolerant education, and....., clearly more important than math and science.


85 posted on 10/10/2008 2:28:24 PM PDT by Neoliberalnot ((Hallmarks of Liberalism: Ingratitude and Envy))
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To: gracesdad

Attacking the messenger is not what the thread is about. Many people in CA are outraged at this law designed to allow perverts greater access to children is the worst form of sexual abuse and harrassment, and yet, it goes unchallenged in “legal” circles.


86 posted on 10/10/2008 2:33:09 PM PDT by Neoliberalnot ((Hallmarks of Liberalism: Ingratitude and Envy))
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To: Citizen Blade

Well then ... [Open mouth and close it again.] You really know the supreme court!


87 posted on 10/10/2008 5:06:59 PM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (To understand Obama, learn about Al-Mansour, Odinga, and Ayers.)
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To: kindred; wagglebee
Pinged from Terri Dailies

8mm


88 posted on 10/11/2008 4:06:53 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: wagglebee; little jeremiah; DirtyHarryY2K; floriduh voter; BykrBayb
WND is hated and vilified for the usual simple reasons. They say things our adversaries do not want anyone to hear. Many even here on FreeRepublic sip the Kool Aid even if just a taste, and fall into the chorus. It is so easy to join the harangue and throw a stone when others nearby are throwing stones. But WND has always done wonderfully by us Terri Listers.

Shucks, Jerome Corsi, hated on his own accord for bringing truth to the elections, has used and made famous a term you can find originating right here on the Terri Dailies, "The Obama Nation". Bob Unruh has always done right by us, especially.

8mm

"We will not be silent. We are your bad conscience. The White Rose will give you no rest."

89 posted on 10/11/2008 4:23:11 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: kindred

There was no reason given for the refusal to intervene...perhaps the court felt that the point was mute since the children were now homeschooled. It would make an interesting case though to sue for at least a partial refund of the school taxes...citing as precedent the lower fed court judge’s statement that the children could be homeschooled.


90 posted on 10/11/2008 4:39:25 AM PDT by mdmathis6
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To: 8mmMauser

WND is far above most media outlets in terms of addressing the most important issues that are either ignored, downplayed or promoted by the NYtimes, LAtimes, Time mag, ABC, NBC, and cBS. Corsi is a courageous individual imho.


91 posted on 10/11/2008 7:46:49 AM PDT by Neoliberalnot ((Hallmarks of Liberalism: Ingratitude and Envy))
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To: 185JHP; AFA-Michigan; Abathar; Agitate; AliVeritas; Antoninus; Aquinasfan; BabaOreally; Balke; ...
For those who do not want their children indoctrinated and seduced into the "gay" life, there is no recourse but to homeschool or find a good private school - hard, and you have to have the money for it. Of course, not all public schools are as bad as the ones in Massachusetts, but the homosexual agenda pushers are working on it, with a lot of help from the courts, this time the SCOTUS.

And folks - this is another reason why Barack Hussein Obama must be defeated. There are several Justices who are very old. The next President will undoubtedly appoint at least two of them. Can you imagine the kind of rabid leftist pro-"gay" racist and maybe even jihad sympathizing individuals he would place there? Homosexual Agenda Ping

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92 posted on 10/11/2008 8:49:03 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Leave illusion, come to the truth. Leave the darkness, come to the light.)
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Oops - didn’t realize wagglebee had already sent this to the list.

Hmm - will work on being more observant, sorry!


93 posted on 10/11/2008 8:50:26 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Leave illusion, come to the truth. Leave the darkness, come to the light.)
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To: little jeremiah
We sacrifice and do the private school thing.

It is a burden but it is paying off.

94 posted on 10/11/2008 8:59:15 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: nmh
What is needed is a school tax rebellion to defund and shut down the government indoctrination camps.

When are home and privately schooling parents going to wise up? They need to join together ( along with others in the community) to elect representatives that will pull the money plug on the government schools.

95 posted on 10/11/2008 9:10:53 AM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are NOT stupid)
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To: mdmathis6
It would make an interesting case though to sue for at least a partial refund of the school taxes...citing as precedent the lower fed court judge’s statement that the children could be homeschooled.
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Interesting argument.

Why couldn't citizens in general sue?

Obviously it is impossible for any school to be religiously neutral. By running government schools the government is establishing the religious worldview of one group of citizens, and, at the same time, attempting to destroy the religious beliefs of others.

Why should any citizen be under police threat to pay taxes for this religiously, culturally, and politically non-neutral abomination?

96 posted on 10/11/2008 9:14:31 AM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are NOT stupid)
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To: Neoliberalnot

LOL!

I think...


97 posted on 10/13/2008 10:20:16 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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