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Cancer Vaccine Used by 25% of Girls 13 to 17 (BARF)
New York Times ^ | 10/09/2008

Posted on 10/09/2008 8:42:34 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd

ATLANTA (AP) — One in four teenage girls have received the relatively new vaccine against cervical cancer, federal health officials said Thursday.

The figures represent the government’s first substantial study of vaccination rates for the vaccine, Gardasil, which is Merck & Company’s heavily advertised three-shot series that goes after the sexually transmitted human papillomavirus, or HPV. The vaccine protects against strains of the virus that cause about 70 percent of cervical cancers.

Health officials recommend that girls get the shots when they are 11 or 12, if possible, before they become sexually active. Also, 11 is the age when children are generally due for a round of vaccinations.

-SNIP-

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention based the study on household telephone surveys in late 2007. The survey results cover from when the vaccine came on the market, in mid-2006, to when the survey questions were answered.

The results are based on nearly 3,000 girls ages 13 to 17 for whom the researchers could verify vaccination information through medical records.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


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One in four????

I believe NONE of the garbage the CDC tells me.

It is outrageous that "officials" expect little girls will naturally be sexualy active, so we must "protect them" with this vaccine - the long term side effects of which are yet unknown.

Idiots here in Texas tried to push this through with legislation REQUIRING parents to force these shots on our girls.

Hell no. That got shot down in a hurry.

1 posted on 10/09/2008 8:42:35 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd
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To: Responsibility2nd
I don't see the barf here.
I do not support requirements of this vaccine. I also despise cancer with a passion losing several family members to that disease. If this can prevent cancer, I don't see the problem with this as an option.

To me, this isn't the same thing as passing out rubbers.

2 posted on 10/09/2008 8:47:07 PM PDT by Darren McCarty (I'm voting for anybody but Obama)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Hell NO !!!


3 posted on 10/09/2008 8:47:37 PM PDT by Thinkin
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To: Responsibility2nd
Vaccinations don't work if you wait until after the person is exposed. At age 11 we can reasonably expect that extremely few girls are sexually active. You can't make that same assumption at age 15 or 17.

I really don't see what's so outrageous about expecting that girls will be sexually active. They always have been and humans would be extinct if they weren't.

4 posted on 10/09/2008 8:54:03 PM PDT by elmer fudd (Fukoku kyohei)
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To: Darren McCarty
I trust you have no young daughters.

If this can prevent cancer...

This is a BIG IF...

And even if it does prevent cancer, no one is denying the increase in teen sex that follow.

5 posted on 10/09/2008 8:54:55 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd
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To: Responsibility2nd

Not to mention the huge uprise in illnesses that were linked to it. The vaccine was banned in quite a few states due to the fact that so many girls got sick after getting the shot.


6 posted on 10/09/2008 9:01:08 PM PDT by A kid with a brain (America needs to drill the on our ground and stop buying our oil from China!)
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To: Responsibility2nd

as long as girls and boys go to the same coed school and immersed in this oversexualized popular culture and have no problems with kissing and touching, you have to expect that at least some of them will ignore everything their parents teach them and give in.


7 posted on 10/09/2008 9:01:29 PM PDT by ari-freedom (Betcha they're good. Why shouldn't they be? Their one mistake was giving up me!)
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To: Responsibility2nd
To quote Ian Malcolm from Jurassic Park, "Nature will find a way" The HPV virus is very common and many people are exposed to it without being sexually active. Who is to say that now the virus won't mutate making this vaccine pointless in 20 or so years.

Also this is only one form of cancer and it doesn't prevent all forms of it as well. How many women will no longer get pelvic exams because they think they are safe?

8 posted on 10/09/2008 9:02:19 PM PDT by LukeL (Yasser Arafat: "I'd kill for a Nobel Peace Prize")
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To: Responsibility2nd

So long as it isn’t required I don’t see the problem. I highly doubt that high school girls will go out and have sex just because they had a vaccine. It won’t change their behavior a bit and could save them from a nasty disease. I’d have my daughter do it.


9 posted on 10/09/2008 9:05:07 PM PDT by DemonDeac
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To: Darren McCarty

My 17 1/2 yr old and 16 yr old got the first shot in August. Their Doctor recommended it (and he has a daughter, we’re friends, so it isn’t about money or agenda for him). I trust his expertise. They also received the Meningitis (sp) shot...and eldest had a minor reaction.


10 posted on 10/09/2008 9:05:26 PM PDT by Twink
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To: Darren McCarty
I don't see the barf here.

Agreed. I also agree that the vaccine shouldn't be mandatory.

People need to get past the stupid ass thought process that a shot or not a shot is going to in some silly ass way instill morals and judgement.

The issue here is the availability of a vaccine that apparently is succeful in activating the body's natual responses to attack and destroy a viral infection which can lead to the development of a cancer.

If people don't want their kids humping everything in sight - teach them to have the respect for themselves not to do so and wait for a meaninful relationship.

Otherwise, chill the hell out on (the voluntary use of) a vaccine that might save someones life.

11 posted on 10/09/2008 9:05:46 PM PDT by !1776!
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To: Responsibility2nd

“And even if it does prevent cancer, no one is denying the increase in teen sex that follow. “

I think thats garbage. Kids have always and will always have sex and they also don’t think about long-term low probability things like cancer when they do.


12 posted on 10/09/2008 9:06:21 PM PDT by DemonDeac
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To: Responsibility2nd

OK, so wait a minute...

If they find a vaccine for HIV tomorrow, and it is proven to prevent the disease, you would not give it to your children?

So fear of disease is the only thing to prevent kids from having sex? Therefore we should not find cures for disease....is that what you are saying?


13 posted on 10/09/2008 9:06:59 PM PDT by jerry557
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To: !1776!

Great post.


14 posted on 10/09/2008 9:08:47 PM PDT by DemonDeac
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To: DemonDeac

Ah, but is IS REQUIRED. For some....

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5joRRCZn_Du7r-_F3AFHt3eicyQ1gD93IMS1O0

And soon - tolerant attitudes everywhere will lead to MANDATORY vaccines as our Dear Leaders want.


15 posted on 10/09/2008 9:08:48 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd
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To: jerry557

“If they find a vaccine for HIV tomorrow, and it is proven to prevent the disease, you would not give it to your children?

So fear of disease is the only thing to prevent kids from having sex? Therefore we should not find cures for disease....is that what you are saying?”

Seems to be.


16 posted on 10/09/2008 9:09:23 PM PDT by DemonDeac
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To: jerry557

Fair question.

And I’ll answer that when you tell me that you are OK with providing condoms for your 14 year old girl.

Cause she IS having sex, right?

Is the boy from a nice family?


17 posted on 10/09/2008 9:11:35 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd
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To: Responsibility2nd

The Great HPV Vaccine Hoax:

http://www.naturalnews.com/report_HPV_Vaccine_0.html


18 posted on 10/09/2008 9:13:32 PM PDT by waus
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To: Responsibility2nd

“And I’ll answer that when you tell me that you are OK with providing condoms for your 14 year old girl.”

Talk about weird logic. There is a gigantic difference between a condom and a vaccine. If a kid has a condom it has one purpose that it will be used for and it will encourage sex. Having a vaccine won’t. I guarantee you that girls aren’t making decisions on sexual matters based on whether or not they have a vaccine for a rare disease.


19 posted on 10/09/2008 9:16:51 PM PDT by DemonDeac
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To: Responsibility2nd
And even if it does prevent cancer, no one is denying the increase in teen sex that follow.

Yeah, because the thought of potentially getting cervical cancer umpteen years down the road is so much more powerful than an unplanned pregnacy, AIDS, herpes, syphilis, etc.

Get real here, the vaccine might save lives. If you have information that it is not safe, post it.

Otherwise, pull your head out of the sand long enough to realize that the availability of a vaccine which could prevent a horrible disease that pretty much every kid has no clue about has virtually no influence on the decisions that kids make.

The best approach is to teach kids that a meaninful monogomous relationship is not only important from a disease perspective, but more importantly, the most rewarding relationship they will have.

20 posted on 10/09/2008 9:19:04 PM PDT by !1776!
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To: DemonDeac
I guarantee you that girls aren't making decisions on sexual matters based on whether or not they have a vaccine for a rare disease.

_______________________________

You could not be more wrong.

This vaccine is to help prevent a STD. And the mindset behind this drive to force gardasil on our girls is to ASSUME they are sexually active.

And the more active they are the more $$$$ Merck is rolling in. And meantime, other STD’s are being transmitted that this HPV vaccine does nothing for.

Not to mention the many more babies to be conceived.

Abstinence works. It does no good to tell our children no, but have a condom anyway.

Don't have sex, but have this vaccine anyway.

Outrageous.

21 posted on 10/09/2008 9:23:40 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd
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To: Responsibility2nd

I have 4 daughters. Two teens, one almost 18 and one 16. Another who is almost 13 and one who is almost 11.

“no one is denying the increase in teen sex that follow.”

Teen sex will follow an immunization shot? And here I always thought teen sex just happens when teens decide to have sex. I don’t think they’ll be an increase in teen sex because of some shot.

I don’t think an immunization shot will cause more teen girls to engage in pre-marital sex. I doubt that any getting this shot will think they’re immune from contracting any of the number of Cancers.

Say some girl has sex, and the boy she has sex with carries this, or is infected with this virus...and it doesn’t matter if this is her first time/when it happens (could be she’s a virgin when she marries but he’s carrying or infected with this virus). She’s not doing anything yet gets infected.

This shot isn’t going to give a pass or a reason to teens to do what they’ve been doing forever.

The pill, condoms, etc. didn’t make me have pre-marital sex. I didn’t have it because I was taught not to and believed what I was taught. And, my husband had tons of pre-marital sex. He was also taught not to. Didn’t matter one iota to him at the time.


22 posted on 10/09/2008 9:27:25 PM PDT by Twink
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To: !1776!

Get real here, the vaccine might save lives. If you have information that it is not safe, post it.

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http://www.google.com/search?complete=1&hl=en&q=hpv+vaccine+deaths&aq=7&oq=HPV+Vacci

Results 1 - 10 of about 425,000 for hpv vaccine deaths

__________________________________

Enjoy.


23 posted on 10/09/2008 9:27:50 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd
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To: Twink

I follow your logic. I really do.

So... What brand of condoms do you buy for your daughters?

Just askin’


24 posted on 10/09/2008 9:30:15 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd
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To: Responsibility2nd

I read a statistic that over 60% of girls that graduate High School have been exposed to HPV.

Obviously the fear of the disease is doing nothing to prevent teen sex.


25 posted on 10/09/2008 9:31:36 PM PDT by jerry557
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To: ari-freedom

No.

And, I recall my high school and college years well.

It’s certainly not easy, when in the throes (sp) of passion. All that kissing, touching and feeling FEELS great.

And, I went to an all-girl Catholic High School. What, are we supposed to isolate our kids so they have no contact with the opposite sex?

I do think our “culture”, tv, movies, etc. encourage this free sex for all stuff. But it’s up to parents to teach their kids. And even when parents teach their kids, sometimes kids just don’t listen. It’s up to kids to make decisions, some right and some wrong.


26 posted on 10/09/2008 9:38:41 PM PDT by Twink
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To: Responsibility2nd

FYI, I am married to my one and only, and he is married to his one and only, in every sense.

I still got the vaccine (one of the first to do so). There is always rape. Cervical cancer is one of the ugliest ways to go, and one of the most painful conditions out there, and if it can be prevented... heck yes. Just like with the Hep shots... even if you live a very clean life it can be all over if you step on a dirty needle at the beach.


27 posted on 10/09/2008 9:40:22 PM PDT by GoSarah
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To: LukeL
To quote Ian Malcolm from Jurassic Park, "Nature will find a way" The HPV virus is very common and many people are exposed to it without being sexually active.

Another reason to consider the benefit of a vaccination?

Who is to say that now the virus won't mutate making this vaccine pointless in 20 or so years..

The people who die between now and then.

Also this is only one form of cancer and it doesn't prevent all forms of it as well.

Hells bells, this is one of the stupidest comments I've read in a while. In essence what you are saying is that since the vaccine doesn't prevent all types of cancer, it is useless? I hope not. Vaccines do nothing more than trigger a response by the body to kill a specific virus. Unfortunately, cancers are the result of multiple mechanisms, most of which have nothing to do with viruses.

To think that since a vaccine which might reduce a specific cancer is not a cure all for cancers somehow makes that vaccine less valuable is unintelligent at best.

How many women will no longer get pelvic exams because they think they are safe?

The stupid ones.

If the vaccine manufacturer, or any associated information, advertising, or advice, in any way shape or form infers that women should reduce their health screenings or checkups please post such information.

28 posted on 10/09/2008 9:42:27 PM PDT by !1776!
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To: Responsibility2nd

Oh snap! LOL. Low blow.

Bite me.

I don’t buy condoms for my daughters. I hope and PRAY that I’m teaching them to make decisions, know the consequences of their actions. So far, it’s working. No pre-marital sex as far as I know (and mommy knows everything). Stay strong. Follow your Faith. Don’t follow the “crowd.”

So, what century are you living in?

Just askin’

;)


29 posted on 10/09/2008 9:45:18 PM PDT by Twink
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To: Responsibility2nd

This is an outrage, to endanger the lives of every girl in the country for the sake of Drug pusher’s profits.

The death rate for the vaccine already exceeds the cancer rate for cervical papiloma by two orders of magnitude. This is first degree murder.


30 posted on 10/09/2008 9:48:32 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Obama isn't just an empty suit, he's a Suit-Bomb trying to sneak into the White House.)
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To: Darren McCarty
"I don't see the barf here."

Take your hands off of your eyes.

31 posted on 10/09/2008 9:49:34 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Obama isn't just an empty suit, he's a Suit-Bomb trying to sneak into the White House.)
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To: !1776!
What about the scores of other diseases you can get from being sexually active? I was forced to get the Hep B vaccine back in 7th grade yet I don't go shooting up drugs because now I am safe. This vaccine will do the same thing. Also cervical cancer is on the rare side, on par with the total amount of sarcomas diagnosed every year.

Also I didn't mean all types of cancer I meant all forms of cervical cancer. They call it a cancer vaccine which is very misleading. It is like calling an EBV vaccine (which doesn't exists) a lymphoma vaccine.

32 posted on 10/09/2008 9:50:30 PM PDT by LukeL (Yasser Arafat: "I'd kill for a Nobel Peace Prize")
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To: Responsibility2nd

Here’s a report on the hoax:

http://www.naturalnews.com/report_HPV_Vaccine_0.html


33 posted on 10/09/2008 9:52:36 PM PDT by waus
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To: Responsibility2nd
Results 1 - 10 of about 425,000 for hpv vaccine deaths __________________________________ Enjoy.

From the results you linked to:

Fifteen deaths were reported to the FDA, and 10 were confirmed, but the CDC says none of the 10 were linked to the vaccine. The CDC says it continues to study the reports of illness.

Got anything substantive? Maybe from a real medical journal and not a google search?

Just as an FYI - will probably trust the life of my daughter to someone trained in the medical profession and not somebody who googles "hpv vaccine deaths"

Nothing personal, just prefer expert advice when it comes to the health of my loved ones...

34 posted on 10/09/2008 9:54:09 PM PDT by !1776!
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To: waus

I thank you for that link. And even though there are many liberals on this thread tonight that think this HPV vaccine (and all the sex that comes with it) is okee-dokee for their children, I have problems with it.

________________________________________

From the link:

HPV vaccinations may not only be medically useless; they may also be harmful to the health of the young girls receiving them.

This report reveals startling facts about the HPV vaccine that most people will find shocking:

• How it may actually increase the risk of precancerous lesions by 44.6 percent.

• The FDA has, for four years, known that HPV was not the cause of cervical cancer.

• Why mandatory HPV vaccination policies may cause great harm to young girls.

• Why HPV infections are self-limiting and pose no real danger in healthy women

• Little-known FDA documents that reveal astounding facts about Gardasil

• How Big Pharma promoted its Gardasil vaccine using disease mongering and fear mongering


35 posted on 10/09/2008 9:56:51 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd
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To: DemonDeac
Reality:

Deaths due to HPV Vaccine

36 posted on 10/09/2008 9:57:34 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Obama isn't just an empty suit, he's a Suit-Bomb trying to sneak into the White House.)
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To: !1776!

“The stupid ones”

It always comes back to the stupid ones.

How anyone can think this vaccine protects them from all cancers or all STDs, amazes me. How anyone can think this vaccine gives an “ok” to engage in premarital sex, amazes me. Or how anyone can think this vaccine will increase pre-marital or teen sex, amazes me.

I thought long and hard (cliche)about this vaccine. About having my two teens get it...the two younger ones haven’t yet...what sold me was boys carrying the virus, and their doctor, a friend, recommending it.

It’s not going to make my kids go out and have sex. If they’re gonna have sex before marriage, they’re gonna have it regardless of this vaccine. Teens were having sex way before this vaccine, lol.


37 posted on 10/09/2008 10:01:23 PM PDT by Twink
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To: !1776!

I understand what you are saying. I do.

You and the CDC are in lockstep together. Whatever they say is fine with you. I get it.

I’m asking a lot of FReepers a question tonight. Have I asked you?

Are YOU doing what the CDC, Planned Parenthood, and other liberals want? Are you providing your children with condoms?

Cause they WILL have sex, dontcha know.


38 posted on 10/09/2008 10:01:27 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd
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To: editor-surveyor

You’re kidding right?

One of my daughters had a reaction to the Menigitis(sp) vaccine. She fainted/passed out. We should outlaw that one. rme.


39 posted on 10/09/2008 10:06:45 PM PDT by Twink
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To: !1776!

I trust their Doctor. He’s a family friend.


40 posted on 10/09/2008 10:08:31 PM PDT by Twink
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To: LukeL
What about the scores of other diseases you can get from being sexually active?

This issue is not about being or encouraging sexual activity. This is about the potential ability to prevent the development of a form of cancer by triggering the bodies immune system to hammer a virus which may contribute to the development of the cancer.

Seperate the sex from the medicine. I don't understand why people are connecting them on this issue. Does the flu shot make kids more apt to kiss during flu season, and then progress to other things?

Where is the line? Pick any vaccination - they are mostly for communicable diseases the spread of which is facilitated by close proximity and exchange of one bodily fluid or another. Why not rail against the flu vaccine, or measels, or whatever? If everyone was too scared of getting measels to get busy...

41 posted on 10/09/2008 10:12:45 PM PDT by !1776!
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To: Responsibility2nd

Hard to believe that many got the jab. This is a hugely expensive optional vaccine that requires three separate shots.

Merck is going to be in a lot of trouble in the future from this vaccine, I believe. And any government/school entity that required it. (PS there are always exemptions parents can take, but they are never told that.)


42 posted on 10/09/2008 10:16:24 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: Responsibility2nd

“And even though there are many liberals on this thread tonight that think this HPV vaccine (and all the sex that comes with it) is okee-dokee for their children, I have problems with it.”

You’re allowed to have problems with the vaccine. You don’t have to allow your daughters to get it.

I take exception to your comment about “many liberals on tis thread tonight that think this HPV vaccine (and all the sex that comes with it)”....

All the sex that comes with it? So not getting this vaccine will decrease teen sex? Come on! You can’t possibly believe that. You can’t possibly believe that getting this vaccine will INCREASE teen sex or not getting it will DECREASE teen sex.

I don’t think the vaccine should be mandatory. As far as I know, no State makes this vaccine mandatory.


43 posted on 10/09/2008 10:17:42 PM PDT by Twink
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To: Twink
thought long and hard (cliche)about this vaccine. About having my two teens get it...the two younger ones haven’t yet...what sold me was boys carrying the virus, and their doctor, a friend, recommending it.

I think (hope) I have the luxury of a couple more years with my youngings.

In the end, I want to do the right thing, not sure what it is, but it helps knowing others also struggle with it.

44 posted on 10/09/2008 10:17:59 PM PDT by !1776!
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To: Twink

Why would I kid anyone about such a serious subject?

I never allowed my children to be vaccinated, and they were the only totally healthy kids in their school.


45 posted on 10/09/2008 10:18:50 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Obama isn't just an empty suit, he's a Suit-Bomb trying to sneak into the White House.)
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To: Responsibility2nd

I have honestly never heard any evidence that a vaccine for HPV will affect sexual activity. If it were AIDS or birth control, yes. But most kids don’t think enough to have HPV as a deciding factor.


46 posted on 10/09/2008 10:19:49 PM PDT by SlapHappyPappy
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To: Responsibility2nd

This generation of young girls is being used as guinea pigs. We have no idea what the effects of this vaccine will be on their fertility or health in ten to twenty years.


47 posted on 10/09/2008 10:25:45 PM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah (Repentance is a contract with God for a second life - St. John Climacus)
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To: Responsibility2nd

This is another ploy from the liberals who want to allow our teenagers to turn into sexual maniacs. First they brought sex education and homosexuality-friendly agendas into the schools and now this. Next they will require all teenage girls to get birth control shots. You mark my words!

Not everyone’s daughter whores around. I would teach my daughter morals and self respect. I would never allow my daughter to get this. You may as well like giving her permission to date the football team.


48 posted on 10/09/2008 10:26:31 PM PDT by ClarenceThomasfan (Praise the Lord, we will never have to hear the words "President Hillary Rodham Clinton")
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To: !1776!

Exactly.

I don’t know what the right thing to do is either. I followed the recommendation from their doctor who is a friend. I know it wasn’t about money for him. He’s a friend and is their doctor. Our kids are friends. We socialize.

I struggled with it. Sorta made me think about my parents...and how they struggled with the polio, mmr, etc. vaccines. And, my two oldest got chicken pox so when that vaccine came out, it didn’t impact me until the two little ones didn’t get Chicken Pox. I didn’t get them that vaccine until recently. They’re almost 11 and 13 and haven’t had Chicken Pox yet. So, I caved and got them the vaccine.

I trust our Doctor. He’s a friend. Our kids are friends.

I struggled with this vaccine. Read tons about it on here, too. I went with what our Doctor said.


49 posted on 10/09/2008 10:28:34 PM PDT by Twink
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To: Responsibility2nd
So here's a suggestion: when you take your 10-year old daughter in to get the Gardasil shot, why not just tell her she is getting a vitamin shot? Do you have to say "Ok sweetie, I'm vaccinating you against HPV so you can go out and bang every guy in town now".

I know few children who even understand the concept of a vaccine, much less understand what vaccine they are getting (tell them it's for dengue fever).

50 posted on 10/09/2008 10:31:40 PM PDT by Panzerfaust
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