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Are We Rome? Tu Betchus!
New York Times ^ | October 11, 2008 | Maureen Dowd

Posted on 10/12/2008 4:50:22 PM PDT by NCjim

With modernity crumbling, our thoughts turn to antiquity.

The decline and fall of the American Empire echoes the experience of the Romans, who also tumbled into the trap of becoming overleveraged empire hussies.

As our sand-castle economy washes away under the tide of bad gambles and debts, this most self-indulgent society lurches toward stoicism (even bankrupt Iceland gives us the cold shoulder and turns to a solvent superpower). It’s going to require more than giving up constant infusions of stocks, Starbucks and Botox.

As Seneca, the Roman Stoic who advised treating the body “somewhat strictly,” wrote in a letter: “Avoid whatever is approved of by the mob, and things that are the gift of chance. Whenever circumstance brings some welcome thing your way, stop in suspicion and alarm ...They are snares. ... we think these things are ours when in fact it is we who are caught. That track leads to precipices; life on that giddy level ends in a fall.”

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: dowd; maureendowd

1 posted on 10/12/2008 4:50:22 PM PDT by NCjim
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To: NCjim

Obey the rules! NOW!


2 posted on 10/12/2008 4:51:21 PM PDT by stefanbatory (Do you want a President or a King?)
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To: NCjim

Dowd. Waste of time.


3 posted on 10/12/2008 4:52:19 PM PDT by popdonnelly (Does Obama know ANYONE who likes America, capitalism, or white people?)
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To: NCjim

This woman has confirmed her place in the parade of idiots.

Pundits needc to retire BEFORE it becomes obvious


4 posted on 10/12/2008 4:53:53 PM PDT by woofie
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To: stefanbatory

5 posted on 10/12/2008 4:54:00 PM PDT by Alouette (Vicious Babushka)
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To: NCjim
The decline and fall of the American Empire...

I stopped reading at this point.
6 posted on 10/12/2008 4:54:10 PM PDT by monkeycard (There's no such thing as too much ammo.)
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To: NCjim

We have the Government passing out cheap money (mortgages) to the masses to gain their quiesence, we have one political faction who controls the corrupt process to acheive their political ends, while leaders of that faction are having openly homosexual affairs with members of the Government entity handing out these goodies.

It certainly sounds like Rome to me.


7 posted on 10/12/2008 4:55:32 PM PDT by PGR88
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To: NCjim

Oh God, there’s nothing more irritating than a media elitist pretending to inform the hoi polloi with references to ancient Rome.

Especially from this wretch, Maureen “Hate Everybody” O’Dowd.

Wanna look at history? Try more the Athens at its height: an empire yet exporting democracy everywhere, with another power (Sparta) just waiting to strike.

I wonder if columnists (how easy a job is that?) think they’re IQ points go up when they use the phrase “are we Rome?” in their scribblings.


8 posted on 10/12/2008 4:55:43 PM PDT by Elian Gonzales
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To: NCjim

To Ioannes McCainus and Sara Palina:

Illigitimi non carborundum est.


9 posted on 10/12/2008 4:55:44 PM PDT by sauropod (An expression of deep worry and concern failed to cross either of Zaphod's faces - hitchhiker's guid)
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To: Alouette

Thank You!


10 posted on 10/12/2008 4:56:53 PM PDT by stefanbatory (Do you want a President or a King?)
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To: sauropod

one of my favorite “Latin” phrases...:)


11 posted on 10/12/2008 4:57:33 PM PDT by stefanbatory (Do you want a President or a King?)
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To: NCjim

If we are talking Romans, Down reminds me of Agrippinila (Agrippina the Younger): Granddaughter of Marcus Agrippa (Augustus’s general and colleague), Daughter of Germanicus the hero, sister and lover of the Emperor Caligula, wife of the Emperor Claudius, and mother of the Emperor Nero, her murderer.


12 posted on 10/12/2008 4:58:48 PM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla (White Trash for Sarah!)
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To: NCjim

No mention of Doddus Gassbagius and Barney Buttslammicus?


13 posted on 10/12/2008 5:01:25 PM PDT by paddles
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To: Alouette

What did Michael Douglas ever do to deserve this!


14 posted on 10/12/2008 5:01:33 PM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla (White Trash for Sarah!)
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To: sauropod

Hehehe ...Don’t let the mofos grind you down !


15 posted on 10/12/2008 5:04:49 PM PDT by sushiman
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To: NCjim

You are, Slimes. Me? Spartan all the way. Well-trained. Unflinching. Have read my enemy well, and will look him in the eye when fightin’ him.

Gladly.


16 posted on 10/12/2008 5:06:24 PM PDT by combat_boots (God, gun and babies. Justices, taxes and sovereignty. Otherwise known as White Trash. Count me in.)
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To: monkeycard

I’d really start worrying about the decline when people stop making such statements. :)


17 posted on 10/12/2008 5:08:32 PM PDT by MetaThought
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To: NCjim

Didn’t notice that this was by old Dowdy until I started reading it.

I’ll quit gagging in a little while.


18 posted on 10/12/2008 5:20:59 PM PDT by Ole Okie
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To: NCjim
I'm tired of the over-simplified explanation of Rome's fall being used as comparison to present day America.

Until America divides itself in two and creates a second capital, for starters, then I'll start to worry about it's fate.

There were many, MANY things that caused Rome's fall.
19 posted on 10/12/2008 5:24:41 PM PDT by mike182d ("Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?")
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To: MetaThought
Rome ended when the politicians taxed the populice into oblivion, made citizens believe the military was not an honorable profession, starved the people with enormous social projects that the rich enjoyed and the poor toiled for. and then when surrounded by their enemies, instead of fighting to the last they opened the gates and let the hoards pillage away.
Are we Rome?


20 posted on 10/12/2008 5:28:10 PM PDT by McCloud-Strife (Lenin was a community organizer, Reagan was a governor)
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To: mike182d

Sounds like a plan. I nominate a tract of land near Wichita for the construction of New Washington (we can rename it [first notable leader in the new capital]-opolis later).

The ‘red states’ can go on for another thousand years after what passes for civilization in the ‘blue states’ collapses.


21 posted on 10/12/2008 5:35:08 PM PDT by The_Reader_David (For real change stop electing lawyers: Fighter-Pilot/Hockey-Mom '08.)
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To: NCjim
Are We Rome? Tu Betchus!

No Maureen, we are not any more Rome then Catherine Zeta Jones is a bitter washed up columnist drunkenly filing stories full of inane stupidities.

22 posted on 10/12/2008 5:38:11 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Just say No to Lawyers! Palin '08! (oh and McWhatshisname too. I guess))
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To: NCjim
Whenever circumstance brings some welcome thing your way, stop in suspicion and alarm ...They are snares. ... we think these things are ours when in fact it is we who are caught. That track leads to precipices; life on that giddy level ends in a fall.”

So, let me guess - even though that quote is easily seen as a prescient warning against submitting to the excesses of Obamania, Dowd's narrow political blinders prevent that interpretation from getting anywhere close to her keyboard...

23 posted on 10/12/2008 5:46:06 PM PDT by Zeppo (Every mighty mild... seventies child... Beats me (Metric - Combat Baby))
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To: NCjim
In high school, I translated swatches of Julius Caesar?s ?The Battle for Gaul? from Latin to English while nibbling cheese crackers. To boost the felicitous new trend toward Latin, I enlisted Gary D. Farney, an associate professor of history at Rutgers University, to translate (loosely and creatively) from English to Latin

Not just a pseudo intelligentsia but a borrowed pseudo intelligentsia. What a poseur!!
24 posted on 10/12/2008 6:04:48 PM PDT by RedMonqey
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To: NCjim

As Stanley, the great wit and fairly expensive plumber said, “Those who do not learn from history are bound to become newspaper writers”.

Not only was Stanley profound, he could set a stool pretty well too.


25 posted on 10/12/2008 6:43:11 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: NCjim

“Oh, the Roman was a rogue,

“He erat was, you bettum!

“He ran his automobilis,

“And smoked his cigarettum.

“He wore a diamond studibus,

“An elegant cravattum,

“A maxima cum laude shirt,

“And such a stylish hattum!”

;^)


26 posted on 10/12/2008 11:08:03 PM PDT by elcid1970 ("O Muslim! My cartridges are dipped in pig grease!")
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To: NCjim

As some droppable name lamented, “O tempura! O morays! O, for f***’s sake!”


27 posted on 10/12/2008 11:19:46 PM PDT by dighton
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To: Alouette

Best....FR Rule....Ever....


28 posted on 10/15/2008 11:04:06 AM PDT by JamesP81 (George Orwell's 1984 was a warning, not a suggestion)
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