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'The Great Schlep' may seal the Presidency deal for Barack Obama (to Florida to Convince Family)
The Times ^ | October 11, 2008 | Tom Baldwin

Posted on 10/12/2008 10:16:56 PM PDT by nickcarraway

Children and grandchildren are making trips to their Jewish families in Florida to persuade them to vote for the Democrats

Jonathan Packman has spent the past few days enjoying poolside views of the Atlantic at his elderly Jewish grandparents' condominium, eating quantities of their Mandel Bread – while trying to ensure that “pop pop” and “mom mom” vote for Barack Obama.

“I think my grandmother is moving towards Obama,” he says. “My grandfather is still undecided. He is old-fashioned and is having a hard time getting his mind wrapped around voting for a black man.”

Mr Packman has travelled from the ultra-liberal city of Berkeley, California, hoping that he can use his influence as a grandson to flip Florida – and the White House – back into Democratic hands.

It is called “The Great Schlep”, an effort organised by the pro-Obama Jewish Council for Education and Research, which should lead to hundreds of grandchildren descending on the Fort Lauderdale area for the Columbus Day weekend to combine an annual family visit with some ruthless political activism.

The reason is that elderly Floridean Jews, most of whom have migrated south for some retirement sunshine, are potentially the key swing voters in this crucial swing state.

They make up about 5 per cent of the state population but in Fort Lauderdale and Palm Beach County – where the shenanigans over hanging chads and uncounted ballots eight years ago gave the world President Bush – they number as many as one in four voters.

Although the latest polls in Florida suggest that Mr Obama is narrowly ahead, he has a problem with this usually reliably Democratic demographic. One survey suggests that he is supported by 57 per cent of Jews – compared with the 77 per cent for John Kerry four years ago.

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1 posted on 10/12/2008 10:16:57 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

So “mom-mom” and “pop-pop” are too old and senile to be able to choose their own candidate?


2 posted on 10/12/2008 10:22:38 PM PDT by ninergold3 (By Election Day I'll Be An Anorexic/Alcoholic. . .Stress Sucks!)
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To: nickcarraway

Wexler was going to the condos in Broward & Palm Beach to shill for Obama. Half the crowd would boo him. If Obama gets 57% of the Jewish vote versus 77% for Kerry then Barry has big problems. We beat Kerry by +5 in 2004. I think Barry gets 50% of the vote and maybe less. Joe Lieberman is working this crowd for McCain.

Also don’t forget the PUMAs. I have not seen the FL ballot yet. Does it say Barrack Hussein Obama? Gramps going to punch the ticket for some guy named Hussein?

The grandkid (brat) said gramps “had a hard time getting his head around voting for a black man.” No sonny boy gramps may have a problem getting his head around voting for a stooge closely connected to Hamas. The grandchildren are morons. I hope Jewish children in Israel have more common sense. Conseravtive and Orthodox Jews “get it” about Obama. They are strong for McCain as are American Jews living in Israel.

The Times of London is printing such garbage.

Ignore the polls. Volunteer and donate.


3 posted on 10/12/2008 10:25:15 PM PDT by Frantzie
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To: ninergold3

Sad to have to manipulate your elderly grandparents or parents to achieve an electoral victory. WHO the HECK does that kind of thing??? It’s SICK!


4 posted on 10/12/2008 10:25:39 PM PDT by antceecee (McCain ~ Palin '08 May God have mercy on us and protect us from evil.)
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To: nickcarraway

HAHAHAHA.. Yea, because Jewish Grandmas and Grandpas are so well known for listening to lectures from their grandkids... BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...

Fauxbama will not defend Israel, has been caught taking insane amounts of money from folks involved with terrorism, one group of brothers gave him 30k each in blatant violation of election law from I believe the palestinian territories...

IF you are Jewish and you vote for Fauxbama, you truly should be having your head examined.


5 posted on 10/12/2008 10:27:23 PM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: nickcarraway

The idea that any person who is Jewish or a supporter of Isreal would vote for Barack Obama is a mystery on par with the existence of the Higgs Boson.


6 posted on 10/12/2008 10:29:32 PM PDT by Just_de_facts
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To: nickcarraway
Wouldn't it be better if both the children and the grandparents register in both states and vote in both?

Isn't that what a bunch of them have been doing already?

7 posted on 10/12/2008 10:31:26 PM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear (The cosmos is about the smallest hole a man can stick his head in. - Chesterton)
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To: nickcarraway
My wife's parents are Jewish and used to be top GOP contributors. However, they are now top drawer Democrat contributors. They Backed Hillary 100% and are now on board with Obama.
8 posted on 10/12/2008 10:33:23 PM PDT by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at 100 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: trumandogz

What happen? Why have they gone for Obama?


9 posted on 10/12/2008 10:35:11 PM PDT by dragonblustar (Once abolish the God, and the government becomes the God - G. K. Chesterton)
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To: nickcarraway
Why aren't any Jews talking about his trip to Kenya to support Odinga? He signed an agreement with AlQuida and burned and murdered Christians after he lost the election. Obama flew over to campaign for him. They are RELATED! Odinga is a Marxist and a Muslim. What's not to like?

All Obama knows is Marxist's, Muslims,& terrorists. Does his attachment to Farrakhan mean anything? Did the PLO pay for his Harvard education?

It's not about skin color. If Jews vote Obama, they deserve what they get. A few Jews here and there, a few Hillary Democrats, and some Hockey moms and McCain could win. They vote for Obama, for what? They hate Bush? He's not running. Bush derangement syndrome.

10 posted on 10/12/2008 10:35:56 PM PDT by chuckles
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To: nickcarraway

Well, if the little bastard can convince his jewish grandparents,,, to vote for a Muslim surnamed man, endorsed by Akmenidjad (sp?,,, who cares!) He should go into sales,,, high end real estate, or maybe very expensive machinery products.


11 posted on 10/12/2008 10:37:11 PM PDT by DesertRhino (Dogs earn the title of "man's best friend", Muslims hate dogs,,add that up.)
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To: dragonblustar
The old man has pictures of himself with Goldwater and Nixon. But once the GOP started pushing for Prayer in schools and a conservative social agenda they became Democrats.
12 posted on 10/12/2008 10:39:40 PM PDT by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at 100 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: antceecee; StarFan; Dutchy; alisasny; BobFromNJ; BUNNY2003; Cacique; Clemenza; Coleus; cyborg; ...
Sad to have to manipulate your elderly grandparents or parents to achieve an electoral victory. WHO the HECK does that kind of thing??? It’s SICK!

Well, Sarah Silverman for starters. Check out her "Great Schlep" video:

Sarah Silverman and The Great Schlep

**WARNING: This video contains MANY expletives and graphic content.**

13 posted on 10/12/2008 10:39:50 PM PDT by nutmeg (Obama and Osama: Both have friends who have bombed the Pentagon)
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To: nickcarraway

How sweet convince the old folks to let Obama preside over the destruction of Israel, a second Holocaust,and policies favorable to those who want to cut their throats.

You can’t make up how stupid and immoral huge chunks of our population have become.


14 posted on 10/12/2008 10:40:13 PM PDT by Williams (It's The Policies, Stupid.)
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To: Frantzie
I still believe that McCain/Palin will take PA/OH/FL ... but,, Virgina is a concern now... but, a long shot bright spot is ( as they say ) Cali is in play now....
15 posted on 10/12/2008 10:47:34 PM PDT by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM .53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart, there is no GOD.)
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To: dragonblustar; trumandogz

Not exactly sure what happened to them, but the trend in Florida according to the polling data cited shows that they are an abnormality. Obama is having a hardier time sealing the deal with Jews than Kerry did. That’s not good.

When did they switch from R to D? Clinton? Bush? That’d be interesting to know.


16 posted on 10/12/2008 10:47:49 PM PDT by rom (Cold on McCain '08. Enthusiastic about McCain-Palin '08!)
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To: Prophet in the wilderness

Where did you read Cali is in play?

You know what’s interesting though — I live in Simi Valley (trends conservative) and all of the Yes on 8 lawn signs are out this weekend (must’ve been delivered at the same time).

I kid you not — probably 20% of the people in my neighborhood have one out.

Prop 8 may bring a LOT of conservatives out to vote this year in Cali.

But even then, I don’t think it can balance out the sheer number of liberals and illegals in San Fran and Los Angeles.


17 posted on 10/12/2008 10:49:43 PM PDT by rom (Cold on McCain '08. Enthusiastic about McCain-Palin '08!)
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To: nickcarraway

Jonathan Packman

Senior Financial Analyst at Whole Foods Market

San Francisco Bay Area

Jonathan Packman’s Summary

Retail Food professional with 10 years of experience at major public and private supermarket chains. Has held several positions with Whole Foods Market ranging from competitive strategy and analytics to retail operations. Currently is developing the budget for the Whole Foods Northern California Region for fiscal year 2009.

Jonathan Packman’s Specialties:
Financial analysis, pricing analysis, competitive strategy, marketing, category management, retail operations, multi-unit management.

Jonathan Packman’s Interests:
Longboard surfing, Telemark skiiing, food & wine, travel.

Jonathan Packman’s Groups:
Slow Food Aqua Terra Convivium, Cornell Hotel Society

http://tinyurl.com/48ty4n


18 posted on 10/12/2008 11:05:44 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: rom
There was a discussion here on FR about a week ago were some were talking about that McCain/Palin opened up 71 HQ in Cali.... and some speculated that since McMack is spending money in Cali ( other wise a lost cause for Republicans ) and think that McMack thinks it is in play now....... one can only pray that McMack take Cali...
If they take CA/FL/OH/PA .. then McCain/Palin wins.
If you can ? call all over your state ( CA ) and try to find as many people as you can that you know that supports McMack and get out the VOTE !! and volunteer !! we can win this thing !!
19 posted on 10/12/2008 11:22:11 PM PDT by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM .53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart, there is no GOD.)
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To: nickcarraway

Jonathan Packman is Bakery Coordinator (Director) for Whole Foods Market’s Northern California Region, where he is respon-sible for the merchandising and operation of high-volume bak-eries in 23 stores and a commercial bakery manufacturing facil-ity, comprising about $50 million in annual retail sales.Previously he was Pricing and Competition Coordinator for the Northern California and Pacific Northwest Regions. In this position Jonathan developed the pricing strategy and competitive positioning of 30 stores in two Whole Foods Market regions.

As an advisor to the region’s purchasing team, he helped regional buyers maintain the company’s competitiveness by pursuing products procured from local farmers, ranchers, artisan cheese-makers, winemakers and seafood farmers. Initially a pilot pro-gram, this position has proven its financial value to the company and is now being rolled out in all Whole Foods Market regions.

Jonathan is the Northern California loan representative for Whole Foods Market’s local producer loan program, which of-fers small businesses the opportunity to borrow up to $100,000 each at low interest rates. The vision for the loan program is to enable small growers, artisans and manufacturers that meet Whole Foods Market’s quality standards to grow without the hindrance of limited funding. He facilitated four Local Grower and Supplier Seminars in Northern California, Oregon, Washington and British Columbia. These seminars offered emerging small businesses the opportunity to learn how to do business with Whole Foods Market.

A 1999 graduate of the Hotel School’s Master of Management in Hospitality Program, Jonathan holds a Bachelor of Arts de-gree in Environmental Studies from the University of Vermont.

in Burlington. He received culinary training at L’Academie de Cuisine in Bethesda, Maryland, and apprenticed with Nora Poul-lion at Restaurant Nora in Washington, D.C., the first organically certified restaurant in the United States.

Intending to become a multi-unit restaurant manager upon graduation from the Hotel School, Jonathan interned at Weg-mans in Ithaca and has since held operations and marketing po-sitions with Central Market/HEB in Texas and Safeway in Pleas-anton, California.Jonathan is an avid longboard surfer and telemark skier, and lives in Berkeley, California with his wife, Liz Kaplan, Samuel & Noah.

http://tinyurl.com/4p8ogo

California Law Review
Notes & Comments Editors
Liz Kaplan

******

Immigration Update
Liz Kaplan,
2005–2006 RAC Legislative Assistant
*(Religious Action Center of Reform Judaism)

Immigration reform has risen to the top of the national agenda in recent months as the U.S. wrestles with such issues as backlogs in family-based immigration, cuts in social services to immigrants, an increasing number of deaths at the U.S.-Mexico border and the challenge of 8 to 12 million undocumented residents in the U.S. living in the shadows of society. The Reform Movement is among the many business, labor, immigrant-rights and religious groups that support comprehensive immigration reform.A comprehensive solution to our nation’s immigration problems should include: measures to reduce the family-based visa backlog, enhanced border security and interior enforcement, worker protections, and a program of earned legalization. It is unrealistic to detain and deport millions of undocumented individuals. Instead, a carefully regulated system of earned legalization would benefit our economy and enhance cooperation with law enforcement by eliminating the fear of deportation. After months of negotiation and compromise, there are competing bills in Congress, some in line with the basic principles above and others reflecting a much harsher, enforcement-only approach to immigration reform.Much work has been done during the past year to increase grassroots support for fair and generous immigration policy, particularly by members of the Jewish community, but much more needs to be done. Consider organizing a comprehensive immigration reform letter-writing campaign to your Senators and Representatives, or hosting a forum at your congregation to discuss how this issue impacts your community. Stay tuned to www.rac.org for more legislative updates and ways to get involved on this and other issues.

* The Religious Action Center of Reform Judaism (“the RAC”) is the Washington, DC, office of the Union for Reform Judaism (Union). The RAC has been the hub of Jewish social justice and legislative activity in the nation’s capital for more than 40 years. The RAC educates and mobilizes the American Jewish community on legislative and social concerns, advocating on issues from economic justice to civil rights to religious liberty to Israel.

http://tinyurl.com/4dwg8s


20 posted on 10/12/2008 11:24:26 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: rom
Rom ? look below.. in post # 18 .... you need to contact this guy... and get his help in Cali !

( Jonathan Packman
Senior Financial Analyst at Whole Foods Market
San Francisco Bay Area ) .... time is short... we can win this thing !!
21 posted on 10/12/2008 11:25:34 PM PDT by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM .53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart, there is no GOD.)
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To: Prophet in the wilderness

While that may be true, I have a suspicion that it may be due to fund raising efforts. Because, we do have LOTS of Republicans out here, and lots of them have deep pockets. But they are overwhelmed by the liberals and illegals / voting age children of illegals.

I have yet to see a single ad for John McCain out here on Television. Get a few Obama ones at night though.

I’ll make some phone calls however, it’s the least I can do. Latest Rasmussen has McCain down by 16% in Cali. And I am surrounded by Obamabots outside of my conservative enclave. They are nuts this year. Never seen anything like it before.


22 posted on 10/12/2008 11:34:01 PM PDT by rom (Cold on McCain '08. Enthusiastic about McCain-Palin '08!)
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To: Prophet in the wilderness

Who is he? I’m not clear on the connection? Maybe I am being dense, its past my bedtime. LOL.


23 posted on 10/12/2008 11:34:38 PM PDT by rom (Cold on McCain '08. Enthusiastic about McCain-Palin '08!)
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To: Prophet in the wilderness

I keep hearing Callie is in play. This is really weird. The pro-marriage thing was also supposed to win but the polls are up and down???


24 posted on 10/12/2008 11:46:30 PM PDT by Frantzie
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To: trumandogz

Unfathomable, isn’t it?


25 posted on 10/12/2008 11:50:22 PM PDT by Attention Surplus Disorder (Tired from wondering whether we wake up in the newest socialist country tomorrow.)
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To: rom
I don't know who he is... but,, someone posted this about this guy, and he sounds like a BIG WHIG in Cali... and if he is on our side.. sounds like he could help us... it's worth a try.
Imagine that rom ? you the man ... you the guy who turns Cali in favor for McMack !!! ( McMack = McCain Maverick )
26 posted on 10/12/2008 11:59:02 PM PDT by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM .53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart, there is no GOD.)
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder
" Unfathomable, isn’t it? "

More like : unconscionable
27 posted on 10/13/2008 12:01:16 AM PDT by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM .53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart, there is no GOD.)
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To: rom; dragonblustar

When Reagan started pushing for prayer in schools as well as a conservative social agenda they became Democrats. Prior to that they were Republicans and were big advocates of the Civil Rights Movement.

As for their interests in Israel, they advocate the two state solution and believe the State of Israel must exist today as well as ten years from now, 100 years from now and 1000 years from now.

The Jewish People did not fight for a state that would last 60 or 600 years but for the long term .


28 posted on 10/13/2008 12:42:04 AM PDT by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at 100 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: trumandogz

God bless Israel and keep her safe. I pray that this country will always protect Israel.


29 posted on 10/13/2008 12:43:49 AM PDT by antceecee (McCain ~ Palin '08 May God have mercy on us ansmd protect us from evil.)
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To: antceecee

Yes, God Bless America and Israel and both will exist for thousands of years.


30 posted on 10/13/2008 12:45:39 AM PDT by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at 100 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: trumandogz

Your lips to God’s ears. We are honored to protect God’s Chosen people.


31 posted on 10/13/2008 12:57:12 AM PDT by antceecee (McCain ~ Palin '08 May God have mercy on us ansmd protect us from evil.)
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To: HamiltonJay
IF you are Jewish and you vote for Fauxbama, you truly should be having your head examined

They would for sure be asking for a new HOLOCAUST!!!

32 posted on 10/13/2008 1:06:19 AM PDT by danamco
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To: Prophet in the wilderness

Why would he help in California? He’s just been in Florida trying to convince his grandparents to vote for Barack Obama, at the urging of Sarah Silverman, no less. Besides, I thought everyone here thought people who eat natural/organic foods are tree hugging hippies.


33 posted on 10/13/2008 1:35:07 AM PDT by Crystal Cove
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To: nickcarraway

Jewish voters in Florida are not going to be convinced by the youngsters to vote for Hussein.

This is an excuse to come down and enjoy the weather.


34 posted on 10/13/2008 2:02:18 AM PDT by Recovering_Democrat (A vote for Hussein is insane!)
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To: antceecee
"WHO the HECK does that kind of thing??? It’s SICK!"

The same kind of people that also constantly check on Grandpa's stock portfolio to make sure their inheritance is all right.

35 posted on 10/13/2008 4:11:15 AM PDT by Jimmy Valentine (DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dream)
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To: chuckles

Most people have never heard of Odinga. They probably never will since the campaign never made it an issue.


36 posted on 10/13/2008 5:42:12 AM PDT by o2bfree
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To: nickcarraway; xzins
I'm betting the trips to Florida are to register to vote using their grandparents addresses and then send in absentee ballots.
37 posted on 10/13/2008 6:11:33 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: Just_de_facts; xzins
The idea that any person who is Jewish or a supporter of Isreal would vote for Barack Obama is a mystery on par with the existence of the Higgs Boson.

I have noticed in my many years on this earth that people in general are self destructive. Self preservation is a discipline.

38 posted on 10/13/2008 6:13:27 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: kcvl
I read recently that Whole Food's sales were off by 30% and their share price, pre-crash, was off by 13%. While my area is dominated by organic farming and the country's largest organic dairy co-op is the largest employer, they have had to put off building a new office building, due to lack of funds. They have a huge turnover of employees at the low level: warehouse and cheese cutters and there is also a lot of turn at the milk desk, which I believe is a broker position, but I am not sure. I know this from the newspaper ads and talking to employees. Meanwhile, the local food co-op, subsidized by the organic dairy, who holds their note, cannot afford to hire anyone at the moment.

I noticed years ago that Whole Foods no longer carried lots of little lines, but instead had mostly house brand packaged foods. I don't see how anyone can afford their meat, as the prices are entirely out of line from 2 1/2 times the supermarket price for chicken, up to 9 times the butcher price for veal (Whole Foods veal=$45/lb 2 years ago). Even Trader Joe's has dropped in quality and selection while the prices have risen a lot. I think I saw organic beef tenderloin at $12-$15/lb there about 6 months ago.

Good luck to Jonathan. Bubbe may be lying to him, as well. Since the crash, Bubbe and Zayde may not even be able to afford their retirement much longer.

No one is factoring in the fact that the PUMAs are lying en masse to the pollsters and organizing to vote straight GOP to prevent a trifecta if zerO does manage to win. If zerO is walking away with this election, why do the grandkids feel the need to sway their vote and why in the solid blue areas of Florida, which are not only heavily, reliably donk, but the home of total election incompetents who win for the donks by fraud? What about the grandparents in the Orlando and Panhandle areas or on the West Coast? Why not organize the grandparents in Arizona, too? Come to think of it, the majority of retirees these days are the age of these folks parents (60+). The grandparents (80+) are reliable FDR donks. This smells of flop sweat.

39 posted on 10/13/2008 6:22:08 AM PDT by reformedliberal
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40 posted on 10/13/2008 6:23:18 AM PDT by Alouette (Vicious Babushka)
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To: kcvl
I read recently that Whole Food's sales were off by 30% and their share price, pre-crash, was off by 13%. While my area is dominated by organic farming and the country's largest organic dairy co-op is the largest employer, they have had to put off building a new office building, due to lack of funds. They have a huge turnover of employees at the low level: warehouse and cheese cutters and there is also a lot of turn at the milk desk, which I believe is a broker position, but I am not sure. I know this from the newspaper ads and talking to employees. Meanwhile, the local food co-op, subsidized by the organic dairy, who holds their note, cannot afford to hire anyone at the moment.

I noticed years ago that Whole Foods no longer carried lots of little lines, but instead had mostly house brand packaged foods. I don't see how anyone can afford their meat, as the prices are entirely out of line from 2 1/2 times the supermarket price for chicken, up to 9 times the butcher price for veal (Whole Foods veal=$45/lb 2 years ago). Even Trader Joe's has dropped in quality and selection while the prices have risen a lot. I think I saw organic beef tenderloin at $12-$15/lb there about 6 months ago.

Good luck to Jonathan. Bubbe may be lying to him, as well. Since the crash, Bubbe and Zayde may not even be able to afford their retirement much longer.

No one is factoring in the fact that the PUMAs are lying en masse to the pollsters and organizing to vote straight GOP to prevent a trifecta if zerO does manage to win. If zerO is walking away with this election, why do the grandkids feel the need to sway their vote and why in the solid blue areas of Florida, which are not only heavily, reliably donk, but the home of total election incompetents who win for the donks by fraud? What about the grandparents in the Orlando and Panhandle areas or on the West Coast? Why not organize the grandparents in Arizona, too? Come to think of it, the majority of retirees these days are the age of these folks parents (60+). The grandparents (80+) are reliable FDR donks. This smells of flop sweat.

41 posted on 10/13/2008 6:25:11 AM PDT by reformedliberal
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To: kcvl
I read recently that Whole Food's sales were off by 30% and their share price, pre-crash, was off by 13%. While my area is dominated by organic farming and the country's largest organic dairy co-op is the largest employer, they have had to put off building a new office building, due to lack of funds. They have a huge turnover of employees at the low level: warehouse and cheese cutters and there is also a lot of turn at the milk desk, which I believe is a broker position, but I am not sure. I know this from the newspaper ads and talking to employees. Meanwhile, the local food co-op, subsidized by the organic dairy, who holds their note, cannot afford to hire anyone at the moment.

I noticed years ago that Whole Foods no longer carried lots of little lines, but instead had mostly house brand packaged foods. I don't see how anyone can afford their meat, as the prices are entirely out of line from 2 1/2 times the supermarket price for chicken, up to 9 times the butcher price for veal (Whole Foods veal=$45/lb 2 years ago). Even Trader Joe's has dropped in quality and selection while the prices have risen a lot. I think I saw organic beef tenderloin at $12-$15/lb there about 6 months ago.

Good luck to Jonathan. Bubbe may be lying to him, as well. Since the crash, Bubbe and Zayde may not even be able to afford their retirement much longer.

No one is factoring in the fact that the PUMAs are lying en masse to the pollsters and organizing to vote straight GOP to prevent a trifecta if zerO does manage to win. If zerO is walking away with this election, why do the grandkids feel the need to sway their vote and why in the solid blue areas of Florida, which are not only heavily, reliably donk, but the home of total election incompetents who win for the donks by fraud? What about the grandparents in the Orlando and Panhandle areas or on the West Coast? Why not organize the grandparents in Arizona, too? Come to think of it, the majority of retirees these days are the age of these folks parents (60+). The grandparents (80+) are reliable FDR donks. This smells of flop sweat.

42 posted on 10/13/2008 6:26:47 AM PDT by reformedliberal
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To: trumandogz

Send them this link to Obama’s website blog:

http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/blog/alanmaki


43 posted on 10/13/2008 7:10:34 AM PDT by antisocial (Texas SCV - Deo Vindice)
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To: Prophet in the wilderness
No, no, no. Jonathan Packman is the Obama-bot mentioned in the article. He's definitely not on our side and not one to contact.
44 posted on 10/13/2008 7:13:35 AM PDT by NYCynic
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To: trumandogz

or this:http://www.barackbook.com/Profiles/AliAbunimah.htm


45 posted on 10/13/2008 7:45:34 AM PDT by antisocial (Texas SCV - Deo Vindice)
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To: trumandogz

That’s interesting. Did they think republicans wouldn’t be about civil rights and support of Israel?


46 posted on 10/13/2008 8:30:00 AM PDT by dragonblustar (Once abolish the God, and the government becomes the God - G. K. Chesterton)
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To: nickcarraway
The Florida Schlep?

More like the Florida Reverse Schlep.

The elders will convince the youngers.

47 posted on 10/13/2008 9:38:57 AM PDT by Candor7 (Fascism? All it takes is for good men to say nothing, ( member NRA)
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To: o2bfree
....."Most people have never heard of Odinga.".....

Tune in to Hanity and the other guy tonight. Supposedly it will be on his show Monday night.

48 posted on 10/13/2008 10:08:03 AM PDT by chuckles
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To: nickcarraway

If I had tried to persuade my grandparents (of blessed memory) to vote for any Republican, I’d have been told (in a very nice way) to f- off. I know, because I DID try. I have to believe that it works the other way, and that Jewish grandparents today are as ornery as 20+ years ago.


49 posted on 10/13/2008 10:21:50 AM PDT by Ancesthntr (An ex-citizen of the Frederation dedicated to stopping the Obamination from becoming President)
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To: nickcarraway

I think this whole “Schlep” is just a media event. I very much doubt that Jewish liberals, whose only connection to Judaism is they think they know what the word “schlep” means, will flock down to Florida in large numbers to persuade grandparents who have probably been voting Democrat since FDR was on the ballot.

Anyway, my parents live in California, and my mom is a Koolaid-drinking dem. My dad, a U.S. Navy vet, is voting for McCain.


50 posted on 10/13/2008 11:12:15 AM PDT by Alouette (Vicious Babushka)
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