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Fire the Campaign
New York Times ^ | 10/13/08 | William Kristol

Posted on 10/13/2008 1:21:13 AM PDT by MartinaMisc

It’s time for John McCain to fire his campaign.

He has nothing to lose. His campaign is totally overmatched by Obama’s. The Obama team is well organized, flush with resources, and the candidate and the campaign are in sync. The McCain campaign, once merely problematic, is now close to being out-and-out dysfunctional. Its combination of strategic incoherence and operational incompetence has become toxic. If the race continues over the next three weeks to be a conventional one, McCain is doomed.

He may be anyway. Bush is unpopular. The media is hostile. The financial meltdown has made things tougher. Maybe the situation is hopeless — and if it is, then nothing McCain or his campaign does matters.

But I’m not convinced by such claims of inevitability. McCain isn’t Bush. The media isn’t all-powerful. And the economic crisis still presents an opportunity to show leadership.

The 2008 campaign is now about something very big — both our future prosperity and our national security. Yet the McCain campaign has become smaller.

What McCain needs to do is junk the whole thing and start over. Shut down the rapid responses, end the frantic e-mails, bench the spinning surrogates, stop putting up new TV and Internet ads every minute. In fact, pull all the ads — they’re doing no good anyway. Use that money for televised town halls and half-hour addresses in prime time.

And let McCain go back to what he’s been good at in the past — running as a cheerful, open and accessible candidate. Palin should follow suit. The two of them are attractive and competent politicians. They’re happy warriors and good campaigners. Set them free.

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To: patriot08

I’m hesitant to post since I said the EXACT SAME THING some weeks ago but the ear-pluggers didn’t want to hear it.


101 posted on 10/13/2008 7:14:29 AM PDT by relictele
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To: MartinaMisc

A bit of truth with Kristol here. The attack ads rile up the rightist base and that is about it. If McCain did not have an incumbet GOP president and the perception of a bad economy hanging near him these attacks might push that undecided his way. But ask the average rube with little political knowledge and they vote reflexively with little logic, and the negatives stack more against McCain.


102 posted on 10/13/2008 7:14:42 AM PDT by junta (The cult of liberalism is ruled by fear.)
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To: MartinaMisc
For William Kristol of all people to go public with a radical overhaul of the campaign at the 11th hour which smacks of desperation, could not be more surprising than if the pleader were Lindsey Graham. Has chaos so overtaken the McCain campaign headquarters that Kristol cannot get through? Why does he need to go public? Is this a trial balloon? That is unlikely.

At any rate, Kristol's analysis of the situation is correct but his remedy could not be more wrong. The analysis says that half measures avail McCain nothing. McCain must decide either to go quietly into the night like Bob Dole or to blast off with no holds barred and risk the blowback and the cries of racism and McCarthyism from the media. McCain must decide that he is not running for majority leader of the Senate but for president of the United States. Kristol concludes that McCain would rather lose than expose Obama. Kristol's remedy? Become Mr. Nice Guy. This is utterly fatuous.

I posted this some days ago:

John McCain simply does not understand the nature of a candidate's compact with his constituents.

First principle: the conservative movement, indeed the Republican Party, owes John McCain no loyalty whatsoever. Yet McCain solicits our loyalty and our support, our money and our votes. What does he owe us in return?

The facile response to be expected from most candidates is that the candidate owes his constituents only that he be honest, industrious and to exercise his best judgment if his supporters' votes put in office. But the problem with John McCain is that we conservatives have no trust in his political judgment. Most of us have no doubt that he would be honest but we are very concerned that he will not adhere to the conservative values he embraces now to get our votes. We admire greatly his physical courage and understand his moral courage. I for one accept as true his account of his epiphany in his cell after brutal torture which brought him to understand: " I was no longer my own man, I was my country's". So we conservatives accept his patriotism and his honesty, but we remain concerned about his conservative moorings. Frankly, we're afraid that John McCain, like George Bush, once elected will slip his moorings and sail away from conservative principles on his own compass.

We conservatives are not supporting John McCain out of his fealty to his conservatism or to his Republicanism nor even to him personally as much as we admire his character. We are doing so out of fear, fear that his opponent, will pervert the Constitution and subvert the Republic. We question Obama's loyalty to America, we suspect his proclivity to act in concert with thugs, both domestic and foreign, who gain political ends through violence. We are afraid of his racism. We are justifiably frightened that when he makes summits with despots without preconditions he really means he will sell us out. We believe he will sell out its country because we know that he attempted to sell out our soldiers in Iraq on his visit there by underlining the ongoing bilateral negotiations for the return of our soldiers home. We fear for our children if a financial tsunami breaks over us. Fear that they will have their birthright stolen from them and never be able to become what they might have been in a free, capitalist, system because the American dream will have been stolen from us by a demagogue who would manipulate the masses vulnerable in the misery of the worldwide depression. In short, most of us who support John McCain do so because the stakes in this election have literally never been greater for America, at least not since 1864.

The undeniable evidence in this campaign shows that facts have simply ceased to matter because the media either will not report them or report them in a backhanded way that redounds against any Obama opponent. We Freepers have tried to break through the media wall and alert the still persuadable middle third of the electorate that the cumulative evidence of Obama's radicalism means that our fears are at least plausible and prudent and not, as the mainstream media would have it, paranoid, delusional, or even racist. We have tried to convince the world that there is very little upside to Obama and the downside is so terrible that to accept the very real risk to our country and our children is madness. Alas, we failed to break through the media's Iron Curtain.

Growing more desperate as we read the polls, we exhorted John McCain to go on the attack, believing that it was only the candidate himself who could get around the media and alert the dwindling number of persuadables to the real and present danger presented by the growing likelihood of an Obama victory. Some of us understood the dilemma that you as a candidate were in. We recognized what your pollsters no doubt have been telling you, that the image of George Bush and the whole Republican brand has become poison and must be shed from your campaign. It is important to understand, though, that this situation was the direct and proximate result of an inexplicable and inexcusable failure of the Bush administration to defend either itself or Republican/conservative principles.

When political scientists write the history of this 2008 campaign, they are likely to conclude that it was irretrievably lost not by John McCain but by George Bush. We are also aware, John McCain, that your pollsters tell you that uncommitted independents often react negatively to negative campaigning and we concede, if only for purposes of discussion, that to some degree this is true. These two factors, the aversion to Bush which created the need to distance the campaign from him, combined with an understandable desire not to offend decent Americans with negative campaigning, have led you to commit profound campaign blunders in responding to the financial crisis. They caused the McCain campaign to flounder pathetically. They validated the Democrats' mantra that the financial crisis is the inevitable results of wrongheaded Republican laissez-faire capitalism and despicable (Republican) greed on Wall Street. Once this template was explicitly validated by the McCain campaign, the pivotal issue of this election was lost. Like the apathy of the Bush administration in the face of its own destruction by attacks which featured, "Bush lied and people died", the McCain campaign has placed itself on the wrong side of the most important issue to confront America since at least 9/11. Worse, pandering after the votes of those who mindlessly blame everything on George Bush will not gain the foregiveness of these voters but it will leave future generations wallowing in socialism. It will also leave the Republican party groping about in the wilderness trying for a generation to shed the burden of guilt for causing the second great depression.

Many of us now assume that when you belatedly at last turned to the attack along the lines we have been exhorting you to do, that your pollsters had told you what we instinctively understand: the election is lost unless Obama can be destroyed morally. Let us hasten to stipulate that to morally destroy Barak Obama is itself a very moral act because it does not require 1 ounce of lying. You have to understand, John McCain, that it is the duty of the adversary in a two party system to honestly alert the electorate to the true state of facts which would disqualify a candidate. That is how the system works. If a candidate shrinks from this duty, it is the equivalent of condoning the election of a demagogue under our system.

Happily, our natural inclinations as conservatives to expose Obama are utterly in harmony with our two party system. John McCain, you will never be ashamed of yourself for telling the truth about Obama but, if you shirk that duty out of fastidiousness or from bad political advice, your legacy will not be limited to your own election loss. If you think that Obama represents at least a potential threat, then say so. Do not tease conservatives and show a little leg one minute and then wag your finger at us the next minute for our salacious thoughts. Are you our man or not?

Senator McCain, your history in the Senate simply does not warrant our support. We support you only because the alternative to you is not just undesirable but unacceptable. This is the nature of your commitment to conservatives: In return for our support you must fight our fight. If you are not willing to morally expose and destroy Barak Obama because you do not really believe that Obama constitutes a threat as a stealth radical, then we are entitled to say that there is not a significant difference between a committed liberal named Barak Obama and an eratic conservative named John McCain. We are entitled to go our own way and try to somehow resurrect Reagan conservatism from the ashes of your defeat.

John McCain, the choice is yours.


103 posted on 10/13/2008 7:17:50 AM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: MartinaMisc
Occams razor demands that if McLaim WANTED to win he would be winning..
Therefore McLAim does not WANT to win..

O'bamas policys are so weak a high school debater could win the debate.. maybe a grade school debater.. WHat is NOT well doccumented LIES are well documented pie in the sky solutions that wouldn't work..

McLaim is throwing the fight or laying down...
There may be no more fight left in the man..

104 posted on 10/13/2008 7:19:21 AM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: MartinaMisc
Occams razor demands that if McLaim WANTED to win he would be winning..
Therefore McLAim does not WANT to win..

O'bamas policys are so weak a high school debater could win the debate.. maybe a grade school debater.. WHat is NOT well doccumented LIES are well documented pie in the sky solutions that wouldn't work..

McLaim is throwing the fight or laying down...
There may be no more fight left in the man..

105 posted on 10/13/2008 7:21:35 AM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: nonkultur

test


106 posted on 10/13/2008 7:23:02 AM PDT by shalom aleichem
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To: MartinaMisc

Watching the McCain campaign is like averting your eyes from someone haplessly crapping their pants in synagogue. Its horrible and embarrassing and painful. McCain’s unwillingness to shred Obama’s anti-Americanism is baffling from a man who has served his country so admirably and bravely. A total Dem/Lib government will do damage to the country that will take decades to reverse.


107 posted on 10/13/2008 7:23:04 AM PDT by pabianice (Inexplicable and infuriating.)
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To: MartinaMisc

Watching the McCain campaign is like averting your eyes from someone haplessly crapping their pants in synagogue. Its horrible and embarrassing and painful. McCain’s unwillingness to shred Obama’s anti-Americanism is baffling from a man who has served his country so admirably and bravely. A total Dem/Lib government will do damage to the country that will take decades to reverse.


108 posted on 10/13/2008 7:27:41 AM PDT by pabianice (Inexplicable and infuriating.)
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To: MartinaMisc

He should have started acting like a Conservative right after the primary.
It’s much easier to pull the squishy moderates to the right than Conservatives to the left.

He’s toast.


110 posted on 10/13/2008 7:31:48 AM PDT by WackySam (The Constitution is not an a la carte menu.)
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To: MartinaMisc
The only problem with the McCain campaign is McCain. He needs to allow his campaign to go negative on Obama. Negative campaigning works. And there is a wealth of negative information about Obama for the McCain campaign to work with. It's an embarrassment of riches.
111 posted on 10/13/2008 7:37:37 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me know)
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To: MartinaMisc

They’re concerned; they’re very concerned. Good news for our side.


112 posted on 10/13/2008 7:40:26 AM PDT by JEH_Boston (There's a landslide coming.....)
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To: Admin Moderator; John Robinson

What is wrong with FR this morning?

I’m not able to go below reply #6 on this thread.

My internet connection and new computer is working on every other site.


113 posted on 10/13/2008 7:40:29 AM PDT by Grampa Dave ( I do not want to know the type of person, who does not like Sarah !)
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To: MartinaMisc; All

McCain needs to present a series of bold economic plans to counter Obama’s coming out today, and it looks like he may be getting ready to do that per a CNN article.

He better. While attacking Obama’s character is important, voters won’t really care about it if he can’t present an alternative plan.


114 posted on 10/13/2008 7:40:48 AM PDT by rwfromkansas ("Carve your name on hearts, not marble." - C.H. Spurgeon)
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To: nonkultur

No, he’s right. He said they should have had Sarah on Fox News Sunday, instead of the campaign manager.


115 posted on 10/13/2008 7:42:16 AM PDT by JohnnyP
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To: nonkultur

With friends like this....a second grader would be able to run a better campaign if 99% of the media were constantly propping him up and tearing his competitor down.


116 posted on 10/13/2008 7:46:58 AM PDT by Hildy
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To: MartinaMisc

McCain just needs to bring in someone else on the sly....Dont fire them...it would just make him look even more desperate...


117 posted on 10/13/2008 7:49:19 AM PDT by blasater1960 ( Dt 30, Ps 111, The Torah is perfect, attainable, now and forever)
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To: MartinaMisc

Too late Kristol.

This race was over when McCain ended up the last man standing in the primary season. With no solid conservativerunning and several lukewarm conservatives splitting the vote among themselves, McCain squueked out a “victory”.

Never before has a major party nominated a man who had contempt for the beliefs of the bulk of his party. Never before has a candidate reserved his greatest criticism and contempt for his supporters while refusing to step up to the practices, policies and beliefs of his opponents.

This race and its sad conclusion was summed up in the video last week where McCain told his supporters that “You don’t have to be afraid of Obama as President.” Just look at the faces of different people in the background as the words came out of McCain’s mouth - smiles turned to groans and smirks.

The Republican establishment of RINO elites is back in charge of the party and their mindset is that of the era of Democrat dominance before 1994 - just be happy with what little morsels liberalism throws to us, as long as we have our status and country club lifestyle protected.

Even a McCain presidency, now a faded dream, would not have fixed this drift toward me-too liberalism. The Obama years will be a disaster, and that will be good, because it will take that to wake up the American people.

Citizenship for illegals, continued voter fraud, retreat and surrender on the political and military battlefields around the world, more terrorist attacks on Americans at home and abroad, re-enactment of the Fairness Doctrine shutting up Rush - that’s what it will take.


118 posted on 10/13/2008 7:50:13 AM PDT by oldbill
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To: patriot08
I wrote McCain Palin campaign earlier asking why Palin would do SNL after they made a “joke” suggesting her husband was molesting her daughters. I hope she does not do the show but if she is forced to by her handlers I suggest she goes off script at the right moment and says something like, “I'm so glad to have this opportunity to tell you to your face that what you said about my family crossed the line. It wasn't funny, it was crude and cruel.” And then turn to the people, the camera, “If you want someone who will fight for you, who won't punish you for working hard, who'll defend children in the womb and children born alive, who won't surrender the War on Terror, vote McCain Palin. Thank you.”
119 posted on 10/13/2008 7:50:34 AM PDT by ethical
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To: MartinaMisc
William Kristol is a twit.

Who pays his salary ?


120 posted on 10/13/2008 7:50:44 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 78:35 And they remembered that God was their ROCK, And the Most High God their Redeemer.)
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To: MartinaMisc

Bill Kristol is the ultimate arm chair QB. He pushes for an invasion of Iraq and then, the moment things got challenging, he starts to squak about how x should have been done better or how he would have preferred to see y done differently. Now, after over a year of telling us what a formidable candidate McCain would be, he tells us that McCain is probably dead in the water anyway.

Mr. Kristol, you simply not have the courage of your convictions.


121 posted on 10/13/2008 7:51:00 AM PDT by FlipWilson
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To: MartinaMisc

Firing the campaign is stupid at this point. The new strategy of playing up underdog status is a good one. Outside influences are also turning in McCain’s favor. Economy is better today. People are growing suspicious of Hussein. I feel a shift toward McCain.

Carville is running around today saying there hasn’t been a winning GOP ticket without Nixon or a Bush on it since 1928. I’m thinking that factoid could be used in our favor too. This is a GOP ticket unlike any other in our lifetimes.


122 posted on 10/13/2008 7:58:08 AM PDT by ObamaOsamaisaTerrorist
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To: MartinaMisc

Same paper that said we should pull out of Iraq since the war was lost

How the hell does this piece of garbage still exist—They are always wrong and their readers still swallow what they editorialize on


123 posted on 10/13/2008 7:59:58 AM PDT by uncbob
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To: MartinaMisc

Whatever problems exist with the campaign stem from the person at the top of the ticket, not much can be done to change that.


124 posted on 10/13/2008 8:03:34 AM PDT by eclecticEel (men who believe deeply in something, even wrong, usually triumph over men who believe in nothing)
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To: MartinaMisc

Who needs NeoCons!!!

They are almost completely useless to the GOP and are one of the primary factors as to why the GOP is where it is at today.


125 posted on 10/13/2008 8:14:21 AM PDT by SoConPubbie (GOP: If you reward bad behavior all you get is more bad behavior.)
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To: patriot08
I think McCain Palin need to do an Acorn ad comparing what is going on now to what happened in the Nixon Kennedy race. It was proven without a doubt that Nixon lost because of the Chicago mob stuffing the ballot box with votes from dead people. Nixon loved his country and chose not to challenge the vote fraud. The ad should show mobsters stuffing the ballot box, the headlines (if there were any) then todays scene with Acorn, say that Obama gave them over $800,000 a few months ago to “get out the vote” and say it turned out to be an effort to “gin up the vote”. Say that “Obama has promised this radical group, ACORN, that he will bring them to the White House when he is president, to help him define a new agenda for America." Finish it by saying, “Don't let them steal your vote. Don't let them steal this election. Don't let them destroy this great country. Vote McCain Palin”.
126 posted on 10/13/2008 8:15:08 AM PDT by ethical
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To: ComputerGuy

Kristol is still pullin’ for Obama-Yawn


127 posted on 10/13/2008 8:17:33 AM PDT by antisocial (Texas SCV - Deo Vindice)
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To: nonkultur

Yeah, let’s fire everyone 3 weeks out and try to be organized going into the election. Yeah, that will work...


128 posted on 10/13/2008 8:25:07 AM PDT by RayBob (If guns kill people, can I blame misspelled words on my keyboard?)
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To: MartinaMisc

Problem isn’t the campaign, its the campaigner! People are more fired up over his VP pick that with him! How the hell do you win with that? It’s his ads and the bloggers that have been fighting for McCain. If he wins it will be the greatest miracle since the 69 Mets!


129 posted on 10/13/2008 8:27:53 AM PDT by Bommer (Who was Obama's diction coach? Bevis or Butthead? Uhhhhhh.....)
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To: MartinaMisc

The McCain team was doing just fine right up to the financial crisis.

I have a feeling the problem is not with the staff - but with the candidate.


130 posted on 10/13/2008 8:33:05 AM PDT by Scotswife
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To: patriot08
McCain is losing this campaign because he refuses to fight Obama and his lies

McCain got it backwards.

He should have spent four months over the summer hitting Obama hard with everything, Wright Ayers pro-PLO terror support, hanging with Louis Farrakhan -- the works.

THEN go softer in the last debate or two after Obama is back on his heels.

McCain allowed the media narrative to be cemented that Obama "is just such a nice guy.. a little left of center perhaps, but nothing to fear!!!!"

For being a heroic military man with more courage than I ever displayed, McCain sure went wimpy in this campaign.

131 posted on 10/13/2008 8:38:32 AM PDT by Edit35 (.)
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To: MartinaMisc

More Cheerleading for Obamahhh from Big Media!


132 posted on 10/13/2008 8:48:08 AM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: patriot08

Nope. Any more feints or sudden moves will only give liberals more ammunition to put in their “erratic” gun and shoot it at McCain in the form of accusations.

In the first place, John McCain IS a decent man who does not want to inflame people (with all the nut jobs out here who will not hesitate to try to do harm to anyone with even half an excuse). The woman (who may have been a Code Pink plant) in the crowd said that Obama is an Arab and she did not trust him. Her appearance was of someone who might just be unbalanced. McCain said, “No Maa’m” (meaning Obama is not an Arab, but ostensibly an American citizen). He knows that if Obama is harmed while he and Palin are using heated rhetoric, HE will be blamed.

Rush, Hannity and others will get the truth out there, and McCain and Palin have already mentioned Ayers several times. Those who want to know these things already know them and are passing them on to others.


133 posted on 10/13/2008 8:52:45 AM PDT by Twinkie (CALL IT WHAT IT IS . . . . COMMUNISM . . . .)
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To: MartinaMisc
Something is wrong with the counter and formatting. It showed 130 replies. First page stops at comment 6, then links at bottom show first 1-50 51-100 101-132 next last

Nothing there. Consider this a test. I tried it in IE7 as well.

134 posted on 10/13/2008 8:55:54 AM PDT by Aliska
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To: nonkultur

Those who can, do. Those who cannot, teach. Those who cannot teach, teach PE. Those who cannot teach PE, are talking heads on news shows.


135 posted on 10/13/2008 8:56:45 AM PDT by Vermont Lt (I am not from Vermont. I lived there for four years and that was enough.)
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To: nonkultur

What’s up with Kristol lately? He sounds like the election is already a “done deal”...


136 posted on 10/13/2008 9:02:26 AM PDT by ReeWalker (Darlin', you can put your boots in the oven seven days a week, but it don't mean they're biscuits.)
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To: MartinaMisc

I tried to post before but I don’t think it went through. I think McCain Palin need to do an Acorn ad comparing what is going on now to what happened in the Nixon Kennedy race. It was proven without a doubt that Nixon lost because of the Chicago mob stuffing the ballot box with votes from dead people. Nixon loved his country and chose not to challenge the vote fraud. The ad should show mobsters stuffing the ballot box, the headlines (if there were any) then todays scene with Acorn, say that Obama gave them over $800,000 a few months ago to “get out the vote” and say it turned out to be an effort to “gin up the vote”. Say that “Obama has promised this radical group, ACORN, that he will bring them to the White House when he is president, to help him define a new agenda for America.” Finish it by saying, “Don’t let them steal your vote. Don’t let them steal this election. Don’t let them destroy this great country. Vote McCain Palin”.


137 posted on 10/13/2008 9:04:00 AM PDT by ethical
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To: stocksthatgoup
Taking advice from Bill Kristol is almost as bad as taking advice from Bob Schrum.

I wouldn't listen to this guy anyway, the way he hosted the Oscars was atrocious, and he's a lousy actor, and not even funny, except when he played on Mary Hartman.

(I know, wrong Kristol, but I couldn't resist.)

138 posted on 10/13/2008 9:06:00 AM PDT by webheart (All sarcasm contained in this post is intentional, and does not necessarily reflect a real opinion)
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To: ComputerGuy
I agree with the prime time TV infomercials. Especially for Palin. Not so much for McCain, unless he has something to say to promote our side instead of telling us how swell Obama is.
139 posted on 10/13/2008 9:06:40 AM PDT by webrover
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To: MartinaMisc; M. Espinola; Travis McGee; TigerLikesRooster; Calpernia
Suddenly - - I noticed no new threads posted on FR ! Not since about 1:30 AM today.

Did everybody lose interest ___________ ?

140 posted on 10/13/2008 9:07:41 AM PDT by ex-Texan (Ecclesiastes 5:10 - 20)
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To: MartinaMisc

I was thinking the same thing and scribbling a crisp note to our candidate, but now that Kristol’s saying it I have to wonder whether maybe McPalin know a thing or two that we don’t.


141 posted on 10/13/2008 9:10:12 AM PDT by Tenniel2 ("Carbon offsets: all of the sanctimony with none of the effort" -- Mike Judge)
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To: patriot08
If Kristol has a point, it is a small one. He's a smarmy little SOB, and not long on party loyalty, but let's not shoot the messenger with whom we disagree.

Keep the team.
I have the impression that McCain has a very good team, but that he "knows better." In other words, McCain is that most difficult of all masters, one that knows all.

My hope is that he knows enough to play "Rope-a-Dope" and spring a surprise on this cartoon character who is running against him. I cannot believe that a John McCain who was tough enough to fly over North Vietnam could also lack the courage to directly confront this preposterous Obama for fear of being called a racist.

WE’RE NOT TURNING THE WHITE HOUSE KEYS OVER TO BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA- NOT IF WE ON FR, RUSH, HANNITY AND FOX HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH IT!

Yes,OK, we're smart enough to connect the dots. Do we number 50.1% of the electorate where it counts? So far, we don't have the votes. Obama has poured millions of his campaign money and millions more "funny money" into ACORN, whose attorney he was for years, to fraudulently seize that crucial 0.1% in key districts. I know this. You know this. If John McCain knows this, why hasn't he said so?

Obama openly and publicly campaigned for his tribal cousin Raile Odinga in Kenya. When Odinga lost, thousands were massacred in the areas that voted against him. What Obama did was clearly illegal and morally reprehensible. I know this. You know this. If John McCain knows this, why hasn't he said so.

If there's any firing to be done, the ammo is there for McCain to fire directly into Obama's smug commie face. If McCain is too obtuse to handle the irrefutable evidence printed and bound for him by Freddoso and Corsi, we definitely will be handing the WH keys to Obama, a mystery man who could not pass a Wal-Mart Security Guard Background Check.

and thank you for the links!

142 posted on 10/13/2008 9:10:19 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk (Drill. Double Refining Capacity. Make METHANOL from Coal, NG, Nuclear ..let's roll.)
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To: patriot08
If Kristol has a point, it is a small one. He's a smarmy little SOB, and not long on party loyalty, but let's not shoot the messenger with whom we disagree.

Keep the team.
I have the impression that McCain has a very good team, but that he "knows better." In other words, McCain is that most difficult of all masters, one that knows all.

My hope is that he knows enough to play "Rope-a-Dope" and spring a surprise on this cartoon character who is running against him. I cannot believe that a John McCain who was tough enough to fly over North Vietnam could also lack the courage to directly confront this preposterous Obama for fear of being called a racist.

WE’RE NOT TURNING THE WHITE HOUSE KEYS OVER TO BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA- NOT IF WE ON FR, RUSH, HANNITY AND FOX HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH IT!

Yes,OK, we're smart enough to connect the dots. Do we number 50.1% of the electorate where it counts? So far, we don't have the votes. Obama has poured millions of his campaign money and millions more "funny money" into ACORN, whose attorney he was for years, to fraudulently seize that crucial 0.1% in key districts. I know this. You know this. If John McCain knows this, why hasn't he said so?

Obama openly and publicly campaigned for his tribal cousin Raile Odinga in Kenya. When Odinga lost, thousands were massacred in the areas that voted against him. What Obama did was clearly illegal and morally reprehensible. I know this. You know this. If John McCain knows this, why hasn't he said so.

If there's any firing to be done, the ammo is there for McCain to fire directly into Obama's smug commie face. If McCain is too obtuse to handle the irrefutable evidence printed and bound for him by Freddoso and Corsi, we definitely will be handing the WH keys to Obama, a mystery man who could not pass a Wal-Mart Security Guard Background Check.

and thank you for the links!

143 posted on 10/13/2008 9:11:03 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk (Drill. Double Refining Capacity. Make METHANOL from Coal, NG, Nuclear ..let's roll.)
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To: stocksthatgoup
Taking advice from Bill Kristol is almost as bad as taking advice from Bob Schrum.

And a first step toward a conservative renaissance will be to jettison the Kristol and the other neo-cons.

144 posted on 10/13/2008 9:15:01 AM PDT by E. Cartman (Will Bush, Bernanke or Paulson let Uncle Sam handle their personal wealth?)
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To: Man50D; MartinaMisc
What McCain needs to do is renounce his socialist stance he shares with Obama on amnesty for illegal aliens, the lie of human induced global warming, restricting free speech with campaign finance reform, opposition to drilling in ANWR and the socialist bail out scam.

I'll pray for the miracle.

145 posted on 10/13/2008 9:17:59 AM PDT by E. Cartman (Will Bush, Bernanke or Paulson let Uncle Sam handle their personal wealth?)
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To: clee1

I’m just trying to keep this information front and center to make sure everybody sees it (email list) and to encouraged all to to do all they can to help. We have less than three weeks to stop that monster.

I have received dozens of emails and PMs thanking me for the list and vowing to use the email list.


146 posted on 10/13/2008 9:24:56 AM PDT by patriot08
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To: MartinaMisc

Kristol and Brooks, perfect together.


147 posted on 10/13/2008 9:25:24 AM PDT by Carley (she's all out of caribou.............but does have a bracelet!!!!)
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To: liliesgrandpa

You are exactly right.


148 posted on 10/13/2008 9:29:49 AM PDT by Engineer_Soldier (I will defend our CONSTITUTON against all enemies, foreign and DOMESTIC!)
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To: MartinaMisc
Bill Kristol’s neocon approach would damage the McCain-Palin ticket more then it would help at this late stage of the campaign.

McCain needs to focus like a laser beam on further exposing Obama for the economic liberal and foreign policy lefty he really is.

As he did this morning, McCain should continue to fire off salvo after salvo that reveals Obama's proposals for higher taxes, more expenditures on welfare state bureaucracy, more direct government intervention and increased federal regulations.

Times running out!

149 posted on 10/13/2008 9:42:06 AM PDT by Reagan Man ("In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem.")
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To: AlexW
There is no way I will come back to a country (USA) of so many morons.

Careful. We are the brightest people in the world and we are just having a hiccup right now. A lot of that is based on the GOP being no real alternative.

150 posted on 10/13/2008 9:45:36 AM PDT by Engineer_Soldier (I will defend our CONSTITUTON against all enemies, foreign and DOMESTIC!)
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