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Joe the Plumber target of Arizona (his Drivers License is suspended)
east valley tribune ^ | 10/17/08 | Daniel Newhauser

Posted on 10/17/2008 6:04:32 PM PDT by machogirl

Joe the Plumber's' AZ driver license suspended Comments 6 | Recommend 4 Daniel Newhauser, For the Tribune

A plumbing license is not the only license "Joe the Plumber" is having troubles with.

The former Mesa resident has a suspended driver's license and outstanding court fines in Arizona, according to Mesa Municipal Court records.

"Joe," whose real name is Samuel J. Wurzelbacher, was referred to more than 20 times by Republican Sen. John McCain in Wednesday night's presidential debate for questioning Democratic Sen. Barack Obama's tax policy.

The man portrayed by McCain to be the typical, hardworking American revealed this week that he actually does not have a plumbing license, and now court records show he should not have a driver's license either, making it potentially even harder for him to get to work.

Wurzelbacher, who lived in Mesa in 2000 and had an Arizona driver's license, had his driver's license suspended by the Arizona Department of Transportation Motor Vehicle Division on May 4, 2000, following a nonpayment of a court-imposed fine for civil traffic violations, according to court records.

America's new political icon, who owes nearly $1,200 in back taxes, according to public records, still owes more than $700 to the Mesa court system.

Records show he was cited for failure to stop at a red light and for failure to provide proof of insurance on Feb. 9, 2000, in a black Dodge truck at the intersection of Dobson and Baseline roads in Mesa.

After failing to pay his original fine of $627.50 issued in March 2000, his license was suspended and the fine was handed over to a collection agency along with a 16 percent surcharge. The now-resident of Holland, Ohio, still owes $727.90 to the Mesa Municipal Court, according to court records.

Nevertheless, Wurzelbacher's driver's license is still valid in Ohio, according to the Ohio Bureau of Motor Vehicles, and was renewed as recently as May 2005. Ohio law requires a license to be renewed every four years, meaning Wurzelbacher likely obtained an Ohio license in 2001, one year after having his Arizona license suspended.

With a suspended license in one state, it should not be possible to get a new license in another, said Cydney DeModica, spokeswoman for the Arizona MVD.

The only way "Joe the Plumber" could have slipped through the cracks is a clerical error in which his driving records were not entered into the Problem Driver Pointer System, the national database of information about people with a checkered driving past, said Ohio Bureau of Motor Vehicles spokeswoman Lindsay Komlanc.

Komlanc added if the Ohio BMV were to receive the information, appropriate action could be taken, including suspension of his Ohio license.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Arizona
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To: machogirl

All this makes Joe the Plumber more endearing to more and more Americans. It also illustrates how important winning in November is!

The irony is that Joe the plumber, years ago, would have been a poster child for the democrats.


401 posted on 10/18/2008 7:57:32 AM PDT by mom.mom
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To: potlatch
From your link:

Taken in part from MW -- By Caroline Konrad -- September 1999

THE MALIGNANT PERSONALITY:

These people are mentally ill and extremely dangerous! The following precautions will help to protect you from the destructive acts of which they are capable.

First, to recognize them, keep the following guidelines in mind.

(1) They are habitual liars. They seem incapable of either knowing or telling the truth about anything.

(2) They are egotistical to the point of narcissism. They really believe they are set apart from the rest of humanity by some special grace.

(3) They scapegoat; they are incapable of either having the insight or willingness to accept responsibility for anything they do. Whatever the problem, it is always someone else's fault.

(4) They are remorselessly vindictive when thwarted or exposed.

(5) Genuine religious, moral, or other values play no part in their lives. They have no empathy for others and are capable of violence. Under older psychological terminology, they fall into the category of psychopath or sociopath, but unlike the typical psychopath, their behavior is masked by a superficial social facade.

If you have come into conflict with such a person or persons, do the following immediately!

(1) Notify your friends and relatives of what has happened.

Do not be vague. Name names, and specify dates and circumstances. Identify witnesses if possible and provide supporting documentation if any is available.

(2) Inform the police. The police will do nothing with this information except to keep it on file, since they are powerless to act until a crime has been committed. Unfortunately, that often is usually too late for the victim. Nevertheless, place the information in their hands.

Obviously, if you are assaulted or threatened before witnesses, you can get a restraining order, but those are palliative at best.

(3) Local law enforcement agencies are usually under pressure if wealthy or politically powerful individuals are involved, so include state and federal agencies as well and tell the locals that you have. In my own experience, one agency that can help in a pinch is the Criminal Investigation Division of the Internal Revenue Service or (in Canada) Victims Services at your local police unit. It is not easy to think of the IRS as a potential friend, but a Swedish study showed that malignant types (the Swedes called them bullies) usually commit some felony or other by the age of twenty. If the family is wealthy, the fact may never come to light, but many felonies involve tax evasion, and in such cases, the IRS is interested indeed. If large amounts of money are involved, the IRS may solve all your problems for you. For obvious reasons the Drug Enforcement Agency may also be an appropriate agency to approach. The FBI is an important agency to contact, because although the FBI does not have jurisdiction over murder or assault, if informed, they do have an active interest in any other law enforcement agencies that do not follow through with an honest investigation and prosecution should a murder occur. Civil rights are involved at that point. No local crooked lawyer, judge, or corrupt police official wants to be within a country mile if that comes to light! It is in such cases that wealthy psychopaths discover just how firm the "friends" they count on to cover up for them really are! Even some of the drug cartel biggies will scuttle for cover if someone picks up the brick their thugs hide under. Exposure is bad for business.

(4) Make sure that several of your friends have the information in the event something happens to you. That way, an appropriate investigation will follow if you are harmed. Don't tell other people who has the information, because then something bad could happen to them as well. Instruct friends to take such an incident to the newspapers and other media.

If you are dealing with someone who has considerable money, you must realize that they probably won't try to harm you themselves, they will contract with someone to make the hit. The malignant type is a coward and will not expose himself or herself to personal danger if he or she can avoid it.

It's not a perfect picture, but man you can see the 0's traits very clearly here!

402 posted on 10/18/2008 8:07:53 AM PDT by TenthAmendmentChampion (Lord please bless our nation with John McCain as president and Sarah Palin as Vice President! Amen.)
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To: Cardhu

I can’t believe you approve of eviscerating an average guy who asked a politician a question that said politician then answered stupidly, revealing his true intentions.

You are OK with all this?


403 posted on 10/18/2008 8:15:09 AM PDT by TenthAmendmentChampion (Lord please bless our nation with John McCain as president and Sarah Palin as Vice President! Amen.)
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To: wiseprince

That’s what this public hanging of Joe the Plumber is about. To destroy an instant icon that McCain could leverage. To turn Joe Plumber into “damaged goods.”

I know I’m posting a lot on this thread but I am damn mad about this.


404 posted on 10/18/2008 8:18:04 AM PDT by TenthAmendmentChampion (Lord please bless our nation with John McCain as president and Sarah Palin as Vice President! Amen.)
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To: queenkathy

The MSM has not told the truth, Joe doesn’t need a plumbers license, he is working for someone that has one. He works for a company not himself. But of course the MSM leaves that part out.


405 posted on 10/18/2008 8:23:50 AM PDT by LegalEagle61 (If you are going to burn our flag, please make sure you are wearing it when you do!)
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To: machogirl

I’m not sure how to do this but if someone could establish some sort of a fundraiser to help Joe (I understand that he lost his job, correct?), I’ll be enough money could be raised to pay his back taxes AND his fine in AZ.

Listen, how many of you know folks or have friends or family or even yourselves that have unpaid tickets, how ‘bout each year owing taxes that they might hope could slide ‘til the next? Sounds like Joe is struggling his way through life trying to keep from being destroyed by the bureaucracies that we all deal with.

I’ve bailiffed for our County Court at law and you ought to see some of the C-S (figure it out) tickets I’ve seen come through court. Get real folks, this is not a child molestation or rape charge ok?


406 posted on 10/18/2008 8:28:59 AM PDT by brushcop (We remember SSG Harrison Brown, PVT Andrew Simmons B CO 2/69 3ID KIA Iraq OIF IV)
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To: machogirl
0bama is afraid of a plumber
407 posted on 10/18/2008 8:32:01 AM PDT by TenthAmendmentChampion (Lord please bless our nation with John McCain as president and Sarah Palin as Vice President! Amen.)
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To: Army Air Corps

This media circus performs three functions:

1. Provide a diversion to write columns and avoid the “spread the wealth” discussion that started the whole thing.

2. Destroy the man who dared to ask the fake messiah a question that tripped him up.

3. Serve as a warning to any future questioners.

If this self-worshiping prig is elected we will be in a civil war within five years.


408 posted on 10/18/2008 8:36:30 AM PDT by TenthAmendmentChampion (Lord please bless our nation with John McCain as president and Sarah Palin as Vice President! Amen.)
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To: manc

You forgot TX!!


409 posted on 10/18/2008 8:39:27 AM PDT by TenthAmendmentChampion (Lord please bless our nation with John McCain as president and Sarah Palin as Vice President! Amen.)
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To: machogirl
And never a peep from the media about Obama’s admitted illegal drug (cocaine) use. The guy is a felon. He hangs out with admitted terrorist bombers. He does land deals with a known fraud artist and criminal (Resko). He went to a racist black supremacist church for over 20 years. And all his disciples call him their Messiah, their Jesus, their version of Ronald Reagan? Truly a world gone mad.
410 posted on 10/18/2008 8:48:10 AM PDT by chimera
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To: machogirl
Here's what I wrote these tools about this article:

I was blown away by Daniel Newhauser's hard hitting Pulitzer-level article about Joe the Plumber's suspended driver license. It must have taken months of digging, hard questions, long hours, thousands of phone calls, and dogged investigation of this hardened criminal. But with a little luck and some timely tips from Daily Kos and Democratic Underground, Mr. Newhauser has successfully exposed a dangerous man.

Congratulations! We are all a little safer tonight because of your journalistic integrity and fearlessness. You weren't intimidated by Joe, and you got him by the jugular!

Oh wait. Not really. You are all jackals.

Look up Alfred Dreyfus. J'accuse, Tribune. J'accuse!

The death of the "objective" media has been long in coming and painful to watch.


411 posted on 10/18/2008 9:29:33 AM PDT by TenthAmendmentChampion (Lord please bless our nation with John McCain as president and Sarah Palin as Vice President! Amen.)
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To: TenthAmendmentChampion

sorry


412 posted on 10/18/2008 10:38:56 AM PDT by manc (Marriage is between a man and a woman no sick MA,CT sham marriage end racism end affirmative action)
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To: April Lexington

been saying this for some time

all conservatives need to move out of the liberal states like MA,RI,CT,VT and move to more redder states

makes no sense to give your tax money to liberal causes and anyway your votes do not mean anything in those states

If the likes of ,MA,RI,VT,CT wanted to join Quebec then I would not lose any sleep over it at all


413 posted on 10/18/2008 10:55:38 AM PDT by manc (Marriage is between a man and a woman no sick MA,CT sham marriage end racism end affirmative action)
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To: chimera
Yeah, sad that the MSM is more worried about Joe the Plumber's traffic tickets and job licensing requirements than the fact that our possibly soon to be POTUS is and avid supporter of and fundraiser for a brutal Marxist thug like Raila Odinga, who overthrew the democratically elected goverment of Kenya after he lost the presidential election by 250,000 votes. Odinga's goal is to impose sharia law in Kenya, and he specializes in slaughtering Christians.

But of course, Joe the Plumber's $1200 in back taxes is far more important to this election.

414 posted on 10/18/2008 11:08:36 AM PDT by flair2000
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To: manc

LOL!


415 posted on 10/18/2008 4:35:56 PM PDT by TenthAmendmentChampion (Lord please bless our nation with John McCain as president and Sarah Palin as Vice President! Amen.)
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To: machogirl

And this is the guy who tricked the Harvard Lawyer into admitting he’s a Socialist?

Note to self: DO NOT attend Harvard Law School.


416 posted on 10/18/2008 4:40:30 PM PDT by word_warrior_bob (You can now see my amazing doggie and new puppy on my homepage!! Come say hello to Jake & Sonny)
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To: TenthAmendmentChampion
are you with me on this
417 posted on 10/18/2008 4:46:06 PM PDT by manc (Marriage is between a man and a woman no sick MA,CT sham marriage end racism end affirmative action)
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To: manc

Hey Manc, as a fellow FReeper and a potential FRiend, count me in. I liked your original post, although I live in the richest agricultural area in the world (the Central Valley of California) and think we could fight off the lefties from moving in. We need to secede from California!


418 posted on 10/18/2008 4:58:30 PM PDT by TenthAmendmentChampion (Lord please bless our nation with John McCain as president and Sarah Palin as Vice President! Amen.)
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To: SirJohnBarleycorn

In 1991 my now husband was on his way to senior prom and got pulled over for waste of a finite resource (10 miles or less over the speed limit). His mom paid the fines and he thought it was done. We were on a date in 1992 when he was pulled over for a busted tail light. THe officer arrested him due to a warrant, apologized profusely, and bond of 20 dollars was posted. He was given the wrong date to show in court (on a Saturday). He called and was told the 20 dollars was a late charge for the original fine, his bond covered it, and all is well on that front. Yet, he had no idea about the late charge or the warrant until he was arrested.


419 posted on 10/18/2008 5:27:50 PM PDT by HungarianGypsy (I)
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To: queenkathy
Both Ohio and Arizona along with the other 43 states are members of the Driver License Compact which requires states to recognize suspensions in other states. If Joe wants to keep his OH license, he will have to take care of his Arizona tickets.

Even more, some states have such "liberal" laws where they can suspend your privilege to operate (you hold a license elsewhere) in their state if you get convicted of an offense which if it was committed there that can result in suspension or revocation. One state in particular is North Carolina. They are harsh on speeding and anything that is 15 mph or more over the limit and if the speed is greater than 55 mph or if the speed you were going was more than 80 mph, it is a 30 day suspension of your NC driver license or operating privilege. I had such an offense back in November when I got a speeding ticket in Missouri for doing 87 mph in a 70 mph zone in my Subaru WRX Turbo. I hold a Colorado license and they don't assess points for out of state violations but if NC found out, technically, they could pull my NC operating privileges especially if I was something like a college student attending school there.

With interstate compacts, licensing issues can snare people especially between states. My wife had her Indiana operating privileges suspended but yet, her CO license remained valid but she could not get a new license until Indiana operating privilege was restored with a reinstatement fee. All that was needed was $150 sent to the Indiana Bureau of Motor Vehicles. How she got caught - she took a motorcycle class and went in to get the endorsement done and get a new license. They wouldn't issue a new license and told her about the Indiana hold.

So what if his license is suspended in AZ...Ohio has different laws...Big deal...a ticket...wow!!
420 posted on 10/18/2008 8:57:22 PM PDT by CORedneck
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To: mom.mom
A plumbing license is not the only license 'Joe the Plumber'is having troubles with.
The former Mesa resident has a suspended driver's license and outstanding court fines in Arizona, according to Mesa Municipal Court records.

There are so many things wrong with this on so many levels!

I suspect that Joe Plumber is the typical 'blue collar' guy. In this day of so much regulation that you need a secretary and a lawyer to stay on top of it, huge fines and not enough time to make a decent living, divorces which mean that the cost of living doubles; the truth is that many Americans have out standing debts.

Shame, shame, shame on the Democrats, the party of the 'common man', for ridiculing the man and offering no sane solutions to the over regulated America in which we now live. Their hypocrisy is beyond any reasoned understanding.

The only reason why a guy who is 'apprenticing' to be a plumber, any tradesman, even a real estate agent is to support those who came before them. Apprenticeship is a code word in America for slavery, and the denial of the right to start one's own business. It guarantees the 'consumer' nothing. Yet it is enforced in every state, denying American's their God given right to Liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

We are over regulated, over taxed, and over fined.

"The media has managed to turn up more negative material on Joe the Plumber in a day than they have on Barack Hussein Obama in a year. The latter is running for President, the former was an ordinary man who asked him a question.

This is the way things are supposed to work in a dictatorship, not in the United States. Here the critical eye is supposed to be on the politician, not on the American who asks him a critical question." Read the rest here.

 

421 posted on 10/18/2008 9:29:13 PM PDT by antonia ("Be the person your dog thinks you are....")
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To: TenthAmendmentChampion
p>This media circus performs three functions:
1. Provide a diversion to write columns and avoid the "spread the wealth" discussion that started the whole thing.
2. Destroy the man who dared to ask the fake messiah a question that tripped him up.
3. Serve as a warning to any future questioners.

You are so right! Here we have a candidate who imply that he wants to 'spread the wealth' around to everyone, but what he really means is that he wants to spread it around to his family and cronies.

Though he's battling GOP accusations that he's an Ivy League elitist, Barack Obama has a lifestyle of the rich and famous, like TV show host Robin Leach, who always signed off, "Champagne wishes and caviar dreams!" While he was at a meeting at the Waldorf-Astoria at 4 p.m. Wednesday, Michelle Obama called room service and ordered lobster hors d'oeuvres, two whole steamed lobsters, Iranian caviar and champagne",a tipster told New York Post, Page Six." the web page has been taken down. http://www.nypost.com/seven/10172008/gossip/pagesix/obamas_fancy_snack_133922.htm  Find here links to the many articles which refered to the page while it was still up.

I don't know about any of you, but I couldn't order that kind of meal on a special occasion let alone at four o'clock on a Wednesday afternoon. I mean, how out of touch with reality are these people? They're trying to sell themselves as ordinary Americans, but they continue to do things that are far from ordinary.

What bothers me even more is the fact that they would actually spend so much money for room service. Is this the kind of thing we can expect to pay for if they win the White House? We want a President to stop wasting our money, not waste it on fancy foods that ordinary people will never be able to afford.

And the worst slap in the face is the fact that she ordered IRANIAN caviar. Maybe it's really good caviar (it must be since it sells for like $125 an ounce), but does she not have any idea what's going on with Iran right now? Maybe that's why Obama is willing to sit down with Iran without preconditions. Maybe he just wants to score some cheap Iranian caviar?

 

422 posted on 10/18/2008 10:45:39 PM PDT by antonia ("Be the person your dog thinks you are....")
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To: TenthAmendmentChampion

Interesting stuff huh? I used to pull it up pertaining to Hillary too!


423 posted on 10/19/2008 12:38:01 PM PDT by potlatch
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